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Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by DoggoneDogg: 9:25am On Nov 04, 2021 |
[s] MT:[/s] Are you stupid? Messi is not the highest goals/assists. Messi does not have the most trophies?? You well bro?? Please read again... The only thing Messi has to offer is a club domestic trophy and national team trophy which I pointed out earlier that Verratti, Bonucci, Chiesa, Chiellini & co also have. You are yet to answer the question: Should we give those players Ballon D'Or too? Answer or shut up. |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by MT: 9:29am On Nov 04, 2021 |
DoggoneDogg: To answer your question, I am NOT stupid. You are too emotional and take things to heart. This marks the end of conversation with you. I hope you get better as a person. Greet your Mum for me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Kingcalls: 9:34am On Nov 04, 2021 |
ddippset: So we can say copa liberdetores, Asian champions league and caf champions league is on the same level with Uefa champions league. Or we can say the Scottish league, Moldovan league or the Nigerian Premier league are all on the same level with the English Premier league. The copa , the concacaf , the African Cup of nations, the Asian Cup are all about the same. After the Euros, the next most competitive is the African nations Cup. Copa presently has only 2 teams ( Brazil and Argentina) thats cause they are the only teams in South America that are consistent in producing stars . The other 3, Uruguay, Chile and Colombia are one offs and thats the reason they don't perform in the world cup , just like other continents don't perform in the world cup . This is the reason why winners of copa are never considered in the balon dor . |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by ddippset(m): 9:42am On Nov 04, 2021 |
Kingcalls:Ballon dor is not GIVEN, it is VOTED. Even though ballon dor is awarded strictly by voting, this should be the right way;; 2008 Ronaldo 2009 Messi 2010 Iniesta 2011 Messi 2012 Messi 2013 Ribery 2014 Neuer 2015 Messi 2016 Ronaldo 2017 Ronaldo 2018 Modric 2019 Van Dijk 2020 Lewandowsky 2021 Messi |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by ddippset(m): 10:00am On Nov 04, 2021 |
Kingcalls:Don't be ridiculous.. You cannot be comparing Copa America (a 107 year old competition) to CAF champions league. Euros and Copa America is at best comparable to EPL and La Liga NOT Moldovan league. Also Copa liberdetories is played by home based South American players which we don't even know. But Copa America is contested by the best players playing in the European leagues. In fact the best players in the European teams play Copa America even more than Euros. Maradona Pele Ronaldo Romario Messi Neymar Rivaldo Juninho Suarez Cavani Coutinho Aguero Batistuta Carlos In fact I dare say better Ballon dor materials have played Copa America than Euros. Is that what you're comparing with Copa Liberdetories? Your comparison is bulllshit. Copa America is the oldest national team competition in the world, it is older than the World cup and older than the Euros. It is 107 years old and a team plays 7 games to win it. World Cup also is 7 Games to win. Euros is 6 Games to win. Copa America is and will always be an important competition more than worthy of producing a Ballon dor winner. For all these years you people were insulting Messi for not winning it. Now that he has won it, the competition has become a shiit competition? The joke is on all of you. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by DoggoneDogg: 10:01am On Nov 04, 2021 |
[s] MT:[/s] You have lost. |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Nobody: 10:58am On Nov 04, 2021 |
Yusman316: Obviously you know nothing about football and the hate of Messi is killing you gradually. He doesn't even know if you exist at all(am not exempted). When you see successful people learn to celebrate them, it will open way for you. Saying that till the end ofOctober shows that you don't even deserve my reply at all . I am wasting my energy. You just grab your phone and type whatever you like because you hate Messi. Come back here and delete this your post. |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Kingcalls: 11:03am On Nov 04, 2021 |
ddippset: This one na long story u de talk... so because its one of the oldest tournament, so what?? So FA cup should be the most important tournament since its the oldest football tournament in the world Euros and copa is a bad example as EPL and la liga... la gods teams have the champions league records , between real madrid and barca, they have won it 18 times ... thats more than all EPL teams put together. La liga have won it most in the past 20 years ( 10 times) compared to EPL ( 5 times ) ... since champions league is the world cup of club football... the world cup itself, for the past 30 years , Brazil is the only team that have won it (2times)... and the last time was 19 yrs ago... they have only reached the final 2 times in the past 20yrs... so copa should be compared to the Portuguese league. If Euros is EPL, copa is Portuguese league not Spanish league. The difference between Europe and other continents in football, is milessssssssssssss apart.... like from earth to Mars Look at the players u mentioned that played or play copa... if I mention European players past and present, u know that thus page no go do Van Basten muller peter schmeicheal Ronaldo klose Ballack Gert muller Halaand Griezmann Cruyff Rui costa De bruyne Klinsmann Gerrard lukaku Suker lampard Bernard silva Mbappe kante Hazard Lewandowski chiesa Bale Shearer Christian vieri paulo Rossi Van persie Bergkamp Nesta Van nisterooy Rooney Matthaus Brain Laudrup viera Bruno Fernandez Puskas xavi Jorginho Henry Beckham Ribery Zidane villa Robben Inzaghi Ramos platini Maldini iniesta Torres Owen oliver khan puyol Larsson Giggs Raul Figo Eusebio Ferdinard Shevchenko Hagi Effenburg Nedved Baggio Zola Modric pirlo Fowler Benzema van der ser Casillas Kane Berkanbeur Buffon Del Piero cannavaro Ibrahimovic To mention a few Copa America the best national team competition in the world and they can't win world cup thats dominated by Europe... ... Germany came to south America and won the cup , Spain went Africa and won the cup , France just won it in Russia and maybe Italy this time will win it in the middle east |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Kingcalls: 11:08am On Nov 04, 2021 |
ddippset: Messi deserves 2012 cos he scored 91 goals despite winning nothing, but Ronaldo doesn't deserve 2013 for scoring 78 goals .... ok... u see the goal post shifting I talked about. 2012 , iniesta deserved it , he won the Euros , if u say messi deserves 2021, then suarez deserves 2011 for winning copa and copa golden ball as well |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by DareyFortified: 11:50am On Nov 04, 2021 |
cr7lomo: I didn't mean you literally need to win all the 8games now, but for you to win EURO or Copa America you will need still to play 8games. So the numbers of country participating in a tournament should not be a criteria for discrediting it. Both Messi and Lewandoski did poorly in Champions league, none of them won it or was name the best player. In the league they both are almost on the same level, Lewandoski top Messi with some few goals, while Messi top Lewandoski with some few assist. Lewandoski and Messi were not the best players in their respective leagues. International trophy certainly matters, And definitely makes the big difference. Especially when every country are participating in one tournament or the other. If you want to give it to Lewandoski because he scored the highest goals, then Messi should have won ballon d'Or atleast 8 now for being the top scorer. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by ddippset(m): 1:11pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
Kingcalls:[b]Out of all of Messi's 6 Ballon dors, 2012 was his most deserved Ballon dor. *50 league goals for the season (guiness record, never been done) *73 goals for the season (guiness record, never been done) *91 goals for the seaon (guiness record, never been done) *26 assist for the season (guiness record, never been done) *8 hattricks in the season (never been done) *Scored consecutively against all La Liga teams (record, never been done) *You said never won something He did win the Spanish Kings cup. (The Copa Del Rey) On an individual level Messi practically destroyed football in 2012. He had personal achievements never seen in football till today. In the history of Ballon dor awards 2012 was the most deserving of any awards in history. And as for Ronaldo scoring 78 goals in 2013, what was special about the 78 Goals when someone else already had a record 91 goals? 50 league goals a season, no one has achieved that till today. And 91 goals? Never never. Then to Suarez, why are you like this? No particular trophy or achievement is considered better than others in awarding Ballon dor. It's a collective of everything, every trophy, every goal number, rtc It's a mix of the whole thing. How could Suarez win 2011 because of Copa America alone when someone else won the; Champions league La Liga Copa del Rey Super cup Pichichi European golden shoe Total goals per season. With the number of goals Lewandosky scored, if he had only managed to win the Champions league in 2021 then he would have been placed over Messi as favourite. The 3 major trophies this year were the Champions league, The Euros and Copa America. Nobody who won the UCL scored an insane amount of goals. Nobody who won the Euros scored an insane amount of goals. But Messi won the Copa America and scored a lot of goals, so he's the favourite. How could Suarez have won the 2011 Ballon dor? What are you smoking bro?[/b] 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Kingcalls: 2:39pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
ddippset: Oh suarez dint deserve to win it ,but he won the copa and copa golden ball . Or than time it was inconsequential...but now it is an important trophy cos messi won it... So for messi , copa dey rey is not enough...its like wanting to claim balon dor winning the FA cup... in 2019 he won it despite failing in the copa ... no champion league as well but they said he deserved it cos he won league and European golden boot, same thing Lewandowski achieved, so why should Lewandowski not win it.... I'm being logical here .... messi flopped in copa despite Argentina being favorites number 2 after Brazil in 2019... at least Lewandowski scored 3 of the 4 goals his country got in the Euros, besides Poland never had a chance ... so he should not win it cos he plays for Poland and Poland will never have a shot an at international title ... as long as messi deserved 2019 According to u guys, Lewandowski deserves 2021 cos he achieved the same thing messi achieved on 2019 |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Kingcalls: 2:42pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
DareyFortified: Lewandowski dint do poorly in the champions league... he got injured and missed the game against psg, that was why they were knocked out...now that shows how important he is ... do u know his last game in the champions league was his 18 straight champions league victory... meaning the only time bayern lost was when he dint play... that alone shows how important he us to bayern Lewandoski won bundesliga player of the season.....messi dint win la liga player of the season ...Lewandowski won European golden boot...why dint tournament matter in 2019 .... messi won it despite flopping at copa 2019 |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by DareyFortified: 4:06pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
Kingcalls: Who cares whether he had injury or not? He is going to be the first player to have injury ni? Should we now pity him because he had injury? This same Lewandoski didn't even make champions league team of the season. Halland was better than him. So technically he and Messi flopped in champions. All he did was in his league! That's all. Halland was the one who won the best player of the season not Lewandoski. Are you kidding?? Who has a better stats in 2019 than Messi?? Who? Guy get your facts right. No come here dey talk shit 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Kingcalls: 4:31pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
DareyFortified: I just don't understand the type of people we meet here....simply research is a problem
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Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by DareyFortified: 7:23pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
Kingcalls: I guess your research is not enough bro.
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Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Kingcalls: 7:54pm On Nov 04, 2021 |
DareyFortified: I showed you something from Bundesliga.com , u are showing fans votes from marca ( a Spanish media) ...so Marca that is in spain that did their fans poll is now bigger that the Bundesliga itself... SMH....people we see on nairaland
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Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by Omonigeriarere: 9:45am On Nov 05, 2021 |
chris259: And Messi had more goals in 2017,2018 when Ronaldo and Modric won. What else do you have to say? May I also remind you that Messi has more golden boot. Let that sinks into your skull. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by MJBOLT: 6:55pm On Nov 06, 2021 |
if we are being honest here,Griezzmann should have won the 2018 Balloon D'or and Van Dijk doesn't deserve the 2019 award, he was all English media hype that season ddippset: |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by ddippset(m): 6:57pm On Nov 06, 2021 |
MJBOLT: Nor be lie my brother. |
Re: Winning A 7th Balon D'or Would Be Crazy - Lionel Messi by oyatainer(m): 1:34am On Nov 07, 2021 |
DoggoneDogg: None of the players you mentioned is the player of the tournament and highest goal scorer. Since, July, Messi's chance has been boosted towards winning Ballondor. Can you swear that you as a Messi's hater has not used International glory like Copa America to troll Messi? In fact, no one would be debating it again had it been Messi had a glamorous start to life in France, banging goals like Lewa. All I see around are pained Ronaldo fans a d sympathizer who detest outright the best of all title for Messi if he wins his 7th |
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