Namibian97:
This guy is a fraud, imagine struggling in a farmers league

Ballon D'or belong to Lewadowski

If he had been banging in goals, the same you will open your gutter to be screaming "After all it's a farmers league". Haters will continue to hate and must always find an excuse but guess what? The 7th ballon D'or is loading for the realest GOAT!!

MangekyoAlt:


What has he done this season?
Please don't be deluded.

He won 2 major trophies, both on club and country.
He won the best player in laliga, as well as the golden boot.
Won the best player in Copa America as well as winning the highest goalscorer award, and assists too.
These are the things that are relevant.

The fact that he's had a slow start in paris doesn't change anything. The 5 matches he's failed to score aren't even important. He's scored on more important matches in the UCL.

Meanwhile, Cr7 is currently in better form than messi. But it is safe to say he would be nowhere near messi in that list. I even doubt if he'll be among the top 5s.

...
U are a sentimental big fool...u people love stat padding..
How and when did Messi win best player in Laliga last year? Chai...for a team that manage to be 3rd in Laliga?
U are too stupid I swear, that's why I hate Barca fans, and reason they will suffer this season.
Cos Messi won Copa America...so he deserved world best? U people are so stupid. Neymar won it, and Alexis won Copa America multiple times ..yet no one said it's a yardsticks for worldbest. A competition of just 6 or 7 games is now the yard stick for world best in a football year of over 60games? U people are so stupid...
Champions league...he was Woeful...beaten blue black 8:2 by Bayern....Laliga..3rd position...even a goal keeper was voted player of the season...
This season..no goal and assist...yet he wants world best cos na him papa dey dash am?....
.....u said he won highes goal scorerr...imagine when Kane won highest goal scorer in Epl, and now say he deserved balon d or for that..lol..Fools

ddippset:
Below both in what sense?

Of course football is in Europe. The glamour, the excitement, the anticipation, the advertisement and the money.

But Copa America is as much a continental tournament to a South American player as the Euros is to a European player.

The value that players from South America like Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay attach to their Copa America is the same value that European players attach to their Euros.

In fact Euros, Copa America and Africa Cup of Nations are 3 competitions of the same cadre as the major continental championships.

But of course we all know that the Euros is the richest and most glamourous.

So Messi values his Copa America as much as any European player like Bonucci values his Euros.

So you guys are actually being extremely dubious with your constant declaration that "Messi won ordinary and useless Copa America"

If Ronaldo or Lewy had won the Euros that would have been your first argument for them winning Ballon dor.
That would have been your first item on the list;

Just imagine the chaos that would have ensued if Ronaldo or Lewy had won the Euros trophy, won the player of the tournament and won the highest goal scorer.

It would have been madness from Ronaldo fans.

"He won the Euros" bla bla bla
"He won the Golden" boot" bla bla bla
"He won the Golden ball" bla bla bla

No player has ever done that bla bla bla


But in Messi's case, it is "he won ordinary Copa America"


But I understand why majority of those saying that Copa America is useless are Ronaldo fans.
I understand...

U are a big fool
...So Copa America, Cup of Nation and Euro are all in same ranking? Una no geh sense for this Nairaland...u should have included worldcup too

DoggoneDogg:


Tell us what he did last season that surpassed others.

He wasn't the highest goalscorer - that's Lewandowski.
He wasn't the highest assists - that was Muller
He didn't win his league.
He didn't win the Champions league. As a matter of fact, he was disgraced out of the UCL by a small Mbappe.
All he has is a useless Copa Del Rey & a Copa America.

Bonucci, Chiellini, Chiesa all won the Copa Italia & Euros (same as Messi's trophies), oya give them the Balon D'Or na.

Nonsense.

Did they have the same accomplishment like he has in Copa America?

placeofallure:


Walk to the junction of your street, before you turn left, by the supermarket is a transformer house, the gate is always open. Wait for the rains to start, just go hug it. Afterwards, help me greet my MIL, she passed a few years back.

In need the failure in your name is reflecting in your reasoning.

Chochovini:
. Don‘t mind that diminutive dwaf. Even the so claimed 6th balon was actually robbed. He doesn‘t really deserved it. Ronaldo does.

Since you are now the authority that determines balon d or and since your opinion is what goes into the history book, it means Ronaldo has 6 balon d'or and Messi has 5. Are you ok now?

gshsj:

U are a big fool
...So Copa America, Cup of Nation and Euro are all in same ranking? Una no geh sense for this Nairaland...u should have included worldcup too

See this Malu!

When they said go to school and attend English comprehension classes you refused and instead went around hawking pure water and learning Mechanic.

Malu. Ode!

gshsj:

...
U are a sentimental big fool...u people love stat padding..
How and when did Messi win best player in Laliga last year? Chai...for a team that manage to be 3rd in Laliga?
U are too stupid I swear, that's why I hate Barca fans, and reason they will suffer this season.
Cos Messi won Copa America...so he deserved world best? U people are so stupid. Neymar won it, and Alexis won Copa America multiple times ..yet no one said it's a yardsticks for worldbest. A competition of just 6 or 7 games is now the yard stick for world best in a football year of over 60games? U people are so stupid...
Champions league...he was Woeful...beaten blue black 8:2 by Bayern....Laliga..3rd position...even a goal keeper was voted player of the season...
This season..no goal and assist...yet he wants world best cos na him papa dey dash am?....
.....u said he won highes goal scorerr...imagine when Kane won highest goal scorer in Epl, and now say he deserved balon d or for that..lol..Fools

You are the generational fool here.

You know what a generational fool is?

That's what you are!

Even the World Cup is a competition of 7 Games. You win 7 games you win the world cup.

Even the Euros sef is just 6 Games. You win your 6 Games snd you win the Euros.



And for your information idiot, no single competition determines the Ballon dor. It is all the competitions combined.

For club Messi won the Spanish Copa Del Rey, Won the Spanish top scorer and scored 38 goals with 13 Assists.

That combined with his total domination of Copa America makes him the best player of 2021.

Since June when he won the Copa America he has been the favourite and number 1 projected to win the award.
Even betting platforms have made Messi the favourite with the shortest odds since June till today.

These are people that know football,

And then fools like yourself who borrow 100 naira everyday to go and watch matches at smelly view centres want to coman discuss football.

Get out of here you m0r0n.

ademidedavid:


In need the failure in your name is reflecting in your reasoning.

It's allure not failure

Meanwhili, o saaro, mi o raye osi!

gshsj:

...
U are a sentimental big fool...u people love stat padding..
How and when did Messi win best player in Laliga last year? Chai...for a team that manage to be 3rd in Laliga?
U are too stupid I swear, that's why I hate Barca fans, and reason they will suffer this season.
Cos Messi won Copa America...so he deserved world best? U people are so stupid. Neymar won it, and Alexis won Copa America multiple times ..yet no one said it's a yardsticks for worldbest. A competition of just 6 or 7 games is now the yard stick for world best in a football year of over 60games? U people are so stupid...
Champions league...he was Woeful...beaten blue black 8:2 by Bayern....Laliga..3rd position...even a goal keeper was voted player of the season...
This season..no goal and assist...yet he wants world best cos na him papa dey dash am?....
.....u said he won highes goal scorerr...imagine when Kane won highest goal scorer in Epl, and now say he deserved balon d or for that..lol..Fools

You can't even debate me without insulting me like a monkey that you are.
The truth is. I may be stupid, just as you said. But you should know that I'm nowhere near as stupid as your mother, who is my mentor

MT:


Did they have the same accomplishment like he has in Copa America?

So winning the Copa America best player is what makes a player Ballon D'Or?

Okay.

anonymous1759:


Last season started 2021 August and ended June or July I guess . And Messi's performance fell within this space tell me how is that a half year ?
You guys are delusional and hateful .
Every players performance from this years August till July will is what FIFA will use for 2022 world best.
Your hate can't stop him from winning

And within that period...

He wasn't the highest goalscorer - that's Lewandowski.
He wasn't the highest assists - that was Muller
He didn't win his league.
He didn't win the Champions league. As a matter of fact, he was disgraced out of the UCL by a small Mbappe.
All he has is a useless Copa Del Rey & a Copa America.

Bonucci, Chiellini, Chiesa all won the Copa Italia & Euros (same as Messi's trophies), oya give them the Balon D'Or na.

Nonsense.

ddippset:
You are the generational fool here.

You know what a generational fool is?

That's what you are!

Even the World Cup is a competition of 7 Games. You win 7 games you win the world cup.

Even the Euros sef is just 6 Games. You win your 6 Games snd you win the Euros.



And for your information idiot, no single competition determines the Ballon dor. It is all the competitions combined.

For club Messi won the Spanish Copa Del Rey, Won the Spanish top scorer and scored 38 goals with 13 Assists.

That combined with his total domination of Copa America makes him the best player of 2021.

Since June when he won the Copa America he has been the favourite and number 1 projected to win the award.
Even betting platforms have made Messi the favourite with the shortest odds since June till today.

These are people that know football,

And then fools like yourself who borrow 100 naira everyday to go and watch matches at smelly view centres want to coman discuss football.

Get out of here you m0r0n.

In 2010 Spain win world cup for the first time , no player from there won it , in 2014 Germany won it, no player there won it, in 2018 France won it no player from there was even nominated . In 2011 Uruguay won copa with suarez winning golden ball ,he was not from nominated, 2013 Brazil won copa no player from there was nominated, 2015 and 2016 Chile won it and Alexis won golden ball but was not nominated, even tho he finished 2nd in EPL with arsenal and contributed most goals for arsenal that year.2019 Brazil won it, and dani Alves won golden ball but was not even near nomination . Infact, Messi that had only one penalty to show for it the whole tournament and was red carded in the semis won it. In 2006 , the only reason Zidane wasn't the first player to win 4 balon d'or was because he got a red card in the final. They said discipline also accounts for chances of winning balon d'or. So tell me why messi even deserves 2019 and also explain why all of a sudden Copa is now a determinant for balon dor ? They have been shifting goal post to favour messi . 2010 was the first time ever a world cup winner would not win the balon d'or. 2012 balon d'or was the first time a winner will be determined by number of goals and not by major tournaments won . Thats why they had no choice but to give Ronaldo the following year especially when that Blatter off mic talk was leaked when he said messi should always be given balon d'or and Ronaldo deserved salon d'or since he loved his hair ao much . Cos messi would have still won 2013 and 2014 cos he came second in both . Balon D'or has lost its relevance

olaric:
Giving it to Messi the 7th time would be the most controversial decision ever! What did he achieve in the last one year--maybe the COPA America; but certainly not enough.

Not enough because he finally won an international trophy?
Something you guys trolled him for?

Messi deserves the Balon D'or more than anyone

DoggoneDogg:


And within that period...

He wasn't the highest goalscorer - that's Lewandowski.
He wasn't the highest assists - that was Muller
He didn't win his league.
He didn't win the Champions league. As a matter of fact, he was disgraced out of the UCL by a small Mbappe.
All he has is a useless Copa Del Rey & a Copa America.

Bonucci, Chiellini, Chiesa all won the Copa Italia & Euros (same as Messi's trophies), oya give them the Balon D'Or na.

Nonsense.

Look at how you called that two trophies useless you're just two hateful man .
Did Mpape win the UCL , Euros or Ligue one ? Germany team , polish team , French Team was a Flop at the Euros.
The only player that won for both club and country was Jorginho but his team effort out weighs his individual performance.
Kante was the Engine room at Chelsea , the Italian team was more of a Team play .
Take away Messi's contribution at Barcelona and Argentina last season they wouldn't have done anything.
Hate is really blind you're true definition.
Messi was the best player at copa America . Highest goal , Assist and won the cup something Pele and Maradona didn't win and you call it useless the same trophy you guys mocked him for not winning .
At laliga he had the highest goal and Assist with a copa derey.
The only players who performed better than Messi at club level last season was Lewey but he flopped at Euros. while Messi contributed more to the success of Argentina.stop hating .

DoggoneDogg:


So winning the Copa America best player is what makes a player Ballon D'Or?

Okay.

It was not about winning the Copa America but individual achievements. Ballon D'or is not a team award, it is an individual's award, and figures dont lie.

MT:


It was not about winning the Copa America but individual achievements. Ballon D'or is not a team award, it is an individual's award, and figures dont lie.

List his individual awards because to the best of my knowledge:

He wasn't the highest goalscorer - that's Lewandowski.
He wasn't the highest assists - that was Muller
He didn't win his league.
He didn't win the Champions league. As a matter of fact, he was disgraced out of the UCL by a small Mbappe.
All he has is a useless Copa Del Rey & a Copa America.

Bonucci, Chiellini, Chiesa all won the Copa Italia & Euros (same as Messi's trophies), oya give them the Balon D'Or na.

Nonsense.

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anonymous1759:


Look at how you called that two trophies useless you're just two hateful man .
Did Mpape win the UCL , Euros or Ligue one ? Germany team , polish team , French Team was a Flop at the Euros.
The only player that won for both club and country was Jorginho but his team effort out weighs his individual performance.
Kante was the Engine room at Chelsea , the Italian team was more of a Team play .
Take away Messi's contribution at Barcelona and Argentina last season they wouldn't have done anything.
Hate is really blind you're true definition.
Messi was the best player at copa America . Highest goal , Assist and won the cup something Pele and Maradona didn't win and you call it useless the same trophy you guys mocked him for not winning .
At laliga he had the highest goal and Assist with a copa derey.
The only players who performed better than Messi at club level last season was Lewey but he flopped at Euros. while Messi contributed more to the success of Argentina.stop hating .

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2020/2021 season
Messi's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup

Veratti's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Bonucci' trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Chiesa's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Chiellini's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Bernadeschi's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup


I ask you again, should we give those 5 players Ballon D'Or too? Just answer Yes or No. No need for long epistle

cr7lomo:


In 2010 Spain win world cup for the first time , no player from there won it , in 2014 Germany won it, no player there won it, in 2018 France won it no player from there was even nominated . In 2011 Uruguay won copa with suarez winning golden ball ,he was not from nominated, 2013 Brazil won copa no player from there was nominated, 2015 and 2016 Chile won it and Alexis won golden ball but was not nominated, even tho he finished 2nd in EPL with arsenal and contributed most goals for arsenal that year.2019 Brazil won it, and dani Alves won golden ball but was not even near nomination . Infact, Messi that had only one penalty to show for it the whole tournament and was red carded in the semis won it. In 2006 , the only reason Zidane wasn't the first player to win 4 balon d'or was because he got a red card in the final. They said discipline also accounts for chances of winning balon d'or. So tell me why messi even deserves 2019 and also explain why all of a sudden Copa is now a determinant for balon dor ? They have been shifting goal post to favour messi . 2010 was the first time ever a world cup winner would not win the balon d'or. 2012 balon d'or was the first time a winner will be determined by number of goals and not by major tournaments won . Thats why they had no choice but to give Ronaldo the following year especially when that Blatter off mic talk was leaked when he said messi should always be given balon d'or and Ronaldo deserved salon d'or since he loved his hair ao much . Cos messi would have still won 2013 and 2014 cos he came second in both . Balon D'or has lost its relevance

Yes maybe you are right, but the truth is no player performance was overly superb last season, every player is lacking something. Lewandoski performed well in the his league, but was no where to be found where other people are playing international football. Jorghino won some of the major trophies but lacking in personal achievement, then comes Messi who his individual performance both in his league and in the international was on point. In my view Messi has a bit of an edge over others.

The reason why Sanchez, Dani Alves and others who won Copa America but didn't win Ballon d'Or was because there were players better than them in those period, who has better stats than them.

For you to win EURO you need to win 8games, same goes for Copa America. It doesn't matter the size of the country participating, you still need to win 8 solid games to win it.

DoggoneDogg:
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2020/2021 season
Messi's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup

Veratti's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Bonucci' trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Chiesa's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Chiellini's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Bernadeschi's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup


I ask you again, should we give those 5 players Ballon D'Or too? Just answer Yes or No. No need for long epistle

You're delusional. Amongst these players who has over 30 goals and 15 assist. Last season?
The 5 players you mentioned had equal performance Lionel on that same category stands tall because of the his goals and assists.
Individually Messi was better than them coupled with the two trophies. Go back to bed if can't comprehend.

DoggoneDogg:
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2020/2021 season
Messi's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup

Veratti's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Bonucci' trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Chiesa's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Chiellini's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup
Bernadeschi's trophies - club domestic cup & national team continental cup


I ask you again, should we give those 5 players Ballon D'Or too? Just answer Yes or No. No need for long epistle

I know you are just here to say trash, cus how can you compare chiellini, Chiesa or verrati individual performance to Messi?

Are you on drugs or something?

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DareyFortified:



I know you are just here to say trash, cus how can you compare chiellini, Chiesa or verrati individual performance to Messi?

Are you on drugs or something?

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Audio individual performances wey no win shingbain

gshsj:

U are a big fool
...So Copa America, Cup of Nation and Euro are all in same ranking? Una no geh sense for this Nairaland...u should have included worldcup too

mumu all u do is go around insulting no wonder ur comment are being deleted.

i hope u have masturbated today cause a slowpoke like u definitely got to real life offline

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anonymous1759:


You're delusional. Amongst these players who has over 30 goals and 15 assist. Last season?
The 5 players you mentioned had equal performance Lionel on that same category stands tall because of the his goals and assists.
Individually Messi was better than them coupled with the two trophies. Go back to bed if can't comprehend.

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None of the players I mentioned are strikers. Among goalscorers, Messi is not top - that's Lewandowski. Lewandowski outscored Messi in all competitions last season.

Now that I have debunked the useless trophy you listed for him, na individual stats he wan use win Ballon D'Or now.

If you insist, then tell us how many tackles, passes completed, recoveries, aerial duels Messi has?

Mind you, Ballon D'Or is for a calendar year. Messi has 0 goals, 0 assists for PSG this season while his mates have continued from where they stopped. Messi is a fraud.


You have lost. Go to sleep.

DoggoneDogg:


List his individual awards because to the best of my knowledge:

He wasn't the highest goalscorer - that's Lewandowski.
He wasn't the highest assists - that was Muller
He didn't win his league.
He didn't win the Champions league. As a matter of fact, he was disgraced out of the UCL by a small Mbappe.
All he has is a useless Copa Del Rey & a Copa America.

Bonucci, Chiellini, Chiesa all won the Copa Italia & Euros (same as Messi's trophies), oya give them the Balon D'Or na.

Nonsense.

To start with, don't be too emotional about football, it is all entertainment. Stop using the word "Nonsense" in public forum to express your frustration on a subject. It does not rub off too good on you. Be a gentleman.

To answer your question, I copied this from what @Depidt wrote in his earlier submission:

1.Won the Spanish league Golden boot for top scorer.
2. Won the Spanish FA cup or Copa Del Rey.
3. Registered 38 Goals and 12 Assists across the season.
4. Won Copa America.
5. Won the Golden ball for best payer at Copa America.
6. Won the Golden boot for highest scorer at Copa America.

Above is Messi's credentials for ballon dor.

Just mention someone that surpasses that individual achievement. Be fair. Be objective. I am waiting at the other side of the aisle for your response please. Remember Balon d'or is NOT about cup that you win collectively as a team, rather an individual award that showcases individual brilliance.

DareyFortified:



Yes maybe you are right, but the truth is no player performance was overly superb last season, every player is lacking something. Lewandoski performed well in the his league, but was no where to be found where other people are playing international football. Jorghino won some of the major trophies but lacking in personal achievement, then comes Messi who his individual performance both in his league and in the international was on point. In my view Messi has a bit of an edge over others.

The reason why Sanchez, Dani Alves and others who won Copa America but didn't win Ballon d'Or was because there were players better than them in those period, who has better stats than them.

For you to win EURO you need to win 8games, same goes for Copa America. It doesn't matter the size of the country participating, you still need to win 8 solid games to win it.

U dont have to win all games to win a tournament. Italy win the world cup in 82 despite drawing all their group games , so as Portugal Euros win. U cant deny Lewandowski balon d'or simply because he plays for Poland which is unfair. Dont forget weah won it in 95 playing for Liberia. . Messi did poorly individually in the champions league . He dint win la liga or barca player of the season , he has been awful this season, which also counts . Lewandowski is king now... presently, the top players in football is we speak Lewandowski, salah, benzema, Ronaldo, mbappe , vinicius Jr, Halaand. Outsiders are sane , Osimhen . Messi is no where close this season

MT:


It was not about winning the Copa America but individual achievements. Ballon D'or is not a team award, it is an individual's award, and figures dont lie.

Was modric the best individually in 2018? That's why I said they keep on shifting goal post. If Ronaldo was not in that Madrid team, they would not hv won champions league, he scored 15 goals and only failed to score in both the semis and final. He scored 44 goals in 44 games for Madrid

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MT:


To start with, don't be too emotional about football, it is all entertainment. Stop using the word "Nonsense" in public forum to express your frustration on a subject. It does not rub off too good on you. Be a gentleman.

To answer your question, I copied this from what @Depidt wrote in his earlier submission:

1.Won the Spanish league Golden boot for top scorer.
2. Won the Spanish FA cup or Copa Del Rey.
3. Registered 38 Goals and 12 Assists across the season.
4. Won Copa America.
5. Won the Golden ball for best payer at Copa America.
6. Won the Golden boot for highest scorer at Copa America.

Above is Messi's credentials for ballon dor.

Just mention someone that surpasses that individual achievement. Be fair. Be objective. I am waiting at the other side of the aisle for your response please. Remember Balon d'or is NOT about cup that you win collectively as a team, rather an individual award that showcases brilliance.

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With all the millions of goals & assists he has, Lewandowski has MORE. That's the end of goals & assists as a criteria for his Ballon D'Or win.

His Best Player gong at Copa America has been cancelled by Gigi Donarumma's Best Euro player win.

Jorginho won UEFA's Best Player of the Year. That cancels all of Messi in UEFA tournaments.


Talk another one.

DoggoneDogg:
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None of the players I mentioned are strikers. Among goalscorers, Messi is not top - that's Lewandowski. Lewandowski outscored Messi in all competitions last season.

Now that I have debunked the useless trophy you listed for him, na individual stats he wan use win Ballon D'Or now.

If you insist, then tell us how many tackles, passes completed, recoveries, aerial duels Messi has?

Mind you, Ballon D'Or is for a calendar year. Messi has 0 goals, 0 assists for PSG this season while his mates have continued from where they stopped. Messi is a fraud.


You have lost. Go to sleep.

I forget lewy won the Euros with Poland. Messi. has 3 goals in the UCL in 3 games olodorabata you just Dey lie to make everything sweet for you.
Your delusion Na high tension. Mention any striker that out scored Messi in both club and country last season With a trophy with with both?
World best award is a calendar year award from August to July. If it’s August to December if has exceeded one year . Can’t believe someone is lying on the internet tufia. If Messi wins this world best Barcelona will come before PSG same thing with FIGO because that’s where he played the whole soccer with Argentina. Quit lying to suit your narrative.

DoggoneDogg:
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With all the millions of goals & assists he has, Lewandowski has MORE. That's the end of goals & assists as a criteria for his Ballon D'Or win.

His Best Player gong at Copa America has been cancelled by Gigi Donarumma's Best Euro player win.

Jorginho won UEFA's Best Player of the Year. That cancels all of Messi in UEFA tournaments.


Talk another one.

Read what you wrote so slowly. Messi has all these achievements as one person and you spread his achievements over 3 players. Will you now ask for the fusion of these 3 players as one individual and hand over the Balon d 'or?

anonymous1759:


I forget lewy won the Euros with Poland. Messi. has 3 goals in the UCL in 3 games olodorabata you just Dey lie to make everything sweet for you.
Your delusion Na high tension. Mention any striker that out scored Messi in both club and country last season With a trophy with with both?
World best award is a calendar year award from August to July. If it’s August to December if has exceeded one year . Can’t believe someone is lying on the internet tufia. If Messi wins this world best Barcelona will come before PSG same thing with FIGO because that’s where he played the whole soccer with Argentina. Quit lying to suit your narrative.

Tell them

ddippset:
And who says Messi would have won?

The point is; Ronaldo should have 2 less. Ronaldo should have at most 3 Ballon dors.

3 max, maybe 2 sef.

And messi how many less??