gbadexy:
Ukraine is desperate to bring NATO into this conflict at all cost.
They've been using blackmail, disinformation and reverse psychology on them.
They should let Poland accuse Russia of breaching their territory.
War is not an action movie. Lives would be affected even here.

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Lifes have already been lost the moment Putin invaded Ukraine..?
They have all right to shoot down the drone...it' was a threat to them one way or the other..

gbadexy:

They have a right to defend themselves. I'm not complaining. Even if I did, it's inconsequential.
What I'm saying is they want to drag NATO into the war with many more senseless loss of lives.
The best is for Ukraine to be neutral. A good thing NATO wasn't in a haste to accept them.
They would have quickly pitched NATO against Russia in no distant time leading to nuclear crisis.
It's not as if Ukrainians aren't racist also with their own abuse of minorities. I have friends that schooled there far back.

gbadexy:

They have a right to defend themselves. I'm not complaining. Even if I did, it's inconsequential.
What I'm saying is they want to drag NATO into the war with many more senseless loss of lives.
The best is for Ukraine to be neutral. A good thing NATO wasn't in a haste to accept them.
They would have quickly pitched NATO against Russia in no distant time leading to nuclear crisis.
It's not as if Ukrainians aren't racist also with their own abuse of minorities. I have friends that schooled there far back.

joyandfaith:

Invasion of ukraine is not about nato membership. Nato is not admitting ukraine because it has not met criteria for membership. Main reason Russia invaded Ukraine is because the country is now becoming more liberal and westernized . Putin cannot control ukraine government like in the past.
Don't tell me about racism when tribalism is rampant in our country. Racism and tribalism are the same disease manifesting in different way.

gbadexy:

They have a right to defend themselves. I'm not complaining. Even if I did, it's inconsequential.
What I'm saying is they want to drag NATO into the war with many more senseless loss of lives.
The best is for Ukraine to be neutral. A good thing NATO wasn't in a haste to accept them.
They would have quickly pitched NATO against Russia in no distant time leading to nuclear crisis.
It's not as if Ukrainians aren't racist also with their own abuse of minorities. I have friends that schooled there far back.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
12,000 troops and some will still say propaganda.. Putin is not as smart as his puppets think he is.. cos if he was smart he wouldn't have thought of invading Ukraine without proper planning..

Putin is very much stuck in East Ukraine. He can’t spit and he can’t swallow without losing face...
The irony of Putin's crony regime is that they brainwash people 24/7 on how evil the west is yet all of those surrounding and supporting this invasion (oligarchs and the rest) have mansions and yachts in that “evil” and “perverted” world. Putin’s end might be a tribunal for crimes against humanity...

How do you stay in power for such a long time with nothing to show for it? You create fictional enemies and bombard the Russian population with non stop propaganda...

This is a poker game that Putin is playing with human lifes.. The idea is to divide and conquer.. that was his strategy for the past 10 years..create chaos so the internal audience will be distracted from the misery while they steal and plunder anything they can get their hands on...
He is a bully and a robber.. Rob your brother off his land and resources cos you think you are stronger than he is..
I still have high hopes that he ain't gonna succeed..

respect80:
Putin is just trying to Putinize Ukraine: nothing more.
Some Putin asslickers even claimed there was an agreement between Russia and NATO, after the cold war, not to expand towards each others territory; fine.
Let's assume that is true. The question is, if you have an agreement with someone and the person breaches or show intention to breach the agreement, would you sue/attack the person with whom you signed the agreement, or, someone trying to become that persons friend?
In a layman's context, assuming you lend money to a loan shark company and you signed an agreement with the company never to loan money to any individual under the age of 18, if the loan shark company happens to breach the agreement they made with you by going ahead or showing intention to lend money to someone under the age of 18, would you attack/sue the loan company, or, the under 18 individual who engaged the loan company for a loan?

Just watch and see how Putinized nairalanders will try to avoid the bolded question
Is Russia attacking Ukraine because they are too afraid of NATO with whom they allegedly had a "no expansion" agreement with?
This is to tell you how farfetched Russia's reason for attacking Ukraine is from what they try to make us believe.

Truvelisback:
NATO is a threat to the Russians. Their expansion to eastern countries is a threat to Russia. U.S wants to rule the world which includes Russia, and Russia don't want to submit to their rulership.

respect80:

NATO is a threat to Russia; good!
Then they should be attacking NATO, not Ukraine for trying to join NATO: it's that simple.
Seems more like Russia opted for the weaker enemy since they are afraid of the enormous damage NATO could inflict.

Truvelisback:
Ukraine is a closer neighbour to Russia. Ukraine's relationship with NATO and making their land a NATO millitary base is a grave threat to Russia, and Russia don't want that. The U.S and NATO wants to use that means to rule the whole world. When NATO get to Ukraine, they would spread and influence other countries. Ukraine and Russia are Eastern countries and Russia don't want the U.S and NATO rule the eastern countries as well rather Putin wants to rule the Eastern countries while Biden should rule the Western countries. Putin is seeing Biden as a greedy man who wants to rule the Eastern countries too and also the whole world. So, it's a fight for Power.

respect80:


I'm only interested in the bolded text because even our dog here knows every other thing you wrote up there.
Now, answer this simple questions if it pleases you and there may not be need for further arguments: from all sense of rationality, if the invasion of Ukraine is truly as a result of power tussle between Russia and the US (NATO) like you already agreed, does Ukraine as a sovereign nation deserve to be the scapegoat??
Would it not be more appropriate for Russia to threaten to, or go to war with NATO if they accept Ukraine to become a member of NATO??
Lastly, is Russia supposed to dictate to Ukraine being a sovereign nation, with whom it should form its security alliance with??
Please no need to beat about the bush this time. Just answer the questions then ask me yours if you wish. Tanku

Truvelisback:
Russia won't fight NATO but want to keep them far away from his dwelling. Ukraine who is a very close neighbour joining NATO and making their land a NATO millitary base is a very big threat to Russia. So, Russia is doing anything possible in their Power to stop that.

respect80:

If this is your answer to the simple questions I asked then I'm done with you sir.
Goodluck...

vedaxcool:
Sad how demented Putin seeks to create war by any means. His actions in Ukraine questions his famed smartness.