If you post in here you've joined a cult and commit to using your heart and soul and mind and all your other senses to ask and knock and seek because you know you can not possibly have found it all nor found enough.

If you wish to remain in your religion, as in, if you wish to hold on to what you already know or believe, this is not the cult for you, for those blinded by trees are no good at forest trimming, and this is a cult for those of us who wish to remove the tree from our own eyes so we may see better to trim the forest least we inadvertently remove the fruitful trees.

Please know that I have chosen Genesis 1-5 as the guiding logos for this cult because we all have access to it. I advise it be read or reread after you have become as a child, as in, after you abandon what the words already mean to you so you may see the words with your own eyes and understand what you read with your own mind.

You may have been invited because you used your mind, and might want to help fulfil the mission proposed in this thread, but remember, its a cult! Not everyone must join, so do not in any way feel compelled.

And yes. buda, unfortunately, is the cult thread creator, but no superiority nor inferiority is implied nor should either be inferred.

The knøckers is because Nairaland spambot thinks I meant bosoms, lol.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And the Seeker says,

1. When was the beginning?

2. What is God?

3. What is heaven and earth?

4. How were heaven and earth created?

5. How can the earth be without form and void after being created?

6. How does the deep have a face that darkness was upon?

7. God has a Spirit?

8. What is a Spirit?

9. Water? On a formless void earth?

10. What am I reading?

11. Who wrote it?

12. When was it written?

13. Why was it written?

14. Why am I reading it?

15. Will I ever get to the end of this very big book!

And all that from just two verses if read with one's own eye and mind.

P.s. This post is not seeking answers. Opinions are however welcome.

budaatum:

And the Seeker says,

1. When was the beginning?

2. What is God?

3. What is heaven and earth?

4. How were heaven and earth created?

5. How can the earth be without form and void after being created?

6. How does the deep have a face that darkness was upon?

7. God has a Spirit?

8. What is a Spirit?

9. Water? On a formless void earth?

10. What am I reading?

11. Who wrote it?

12. When was it written?

13. Why was it written?

14. Why am I reading it?

15. Will I ever get to the end of this very big book!

And all that from just two verses if read with one's own eye and mind.

P.s. This post is not seeking answers. Opinions are however welcome.

When reasonable questions are posed, then answers are sought, though we understand, that there are certain answers you do not wish to accept, as is your right.

However, because of the fact whilst you may not be accepting any unfavourable answers provided, others here will be using their own right to discern that which is True from that which is evil, therefore I answer.

1. When was the beginning? - by Genesis, the beginning refers to the beginning of man and this House which we call the world in which he was put to possess it like a house-none stranger and potential tenant who can not pay rent, being given a nice sweet and good house to live in, rent free, without duration. Ah! What a Good Good Landlord!

Dtruthspeaker:


When reasonable questions are posed, then answers are sought, though we understand, that there are certain answers you do not wish to accept, as is your right.

Answers are sought by seeking and not by being given so one accepts.

It is not only ones right to seek answers for oneself, it is the duty of all to seek.

I forgot to say, well done. There's only 14 more to go.

2. What is God?

Ans: He Who is The Landlord and Owner of this House we call the world.

3. What is heaven and earth?
And: Spirit and Physical!

4. How were heaven and earth created?
Ans: Based on what The Maker Who made them said, we don't how heaven was made but He told us how He made the earth. So this is where I say go to Genesis where the Maker says how He made these things.

5. How can the earth be without form and void after being created?

Read well now, the earth was not formless and void after creation rather the statement said that the earth did not exist before creation.

6. How does the deep have a face that darkness was upon?

Ans: That is how The Maker created it to be.

7. God has a Spirit?
Ans: He is The One Who Said and He must surely know Himself more than us, so we can not say otherwise..

Dtruthspeaker:

Ans: He is The One Who Said and He must surely know Himself more than us, so we can not say otherwise..

I think you might mean you yourself "can not say otherwise", because I have heard very many say otherwise.

Just saying in case some come and say otherwise. Not everyone is after all a part of your "we".

budaatum:


I think you might mean you yourself "can not say otherwise", because I have heard very many say otherwise.

Just saying in case some come and say otherwise. Not everyone is after all a part of your "we".

Every reasonable person would have told you that a pot cannot know the Potter better than the Potter himself.

Dtruthspeaker:


Every reasonable person would have told you that a pot cannot know the Potter better than the Potter himself.

A pot was not made in the image of the Potter.
Niether was the pot made to knock, and seek until it finds.
Unless you Christians consider yourself to be pot(honestly I think the lot of you are) then you should be able to understand the father. Because, it is written " does who who have seen the logos have seen the father".
Do you see that even Jesus didn't consider himself a pot?

Reminds me of a time I went to see a babalawo. He said never to join cult less my destiny be taken in a direction it wasn't intended.
Buda, thus thou wish to thwart my destiny to the promised land? lol.

kkins25:

A pot was not made in the image of the Potter...

Change of Post!

Dtruthspeaker:

Every reasonable person would have told you that a pot cannot know the Potter better than the Potter himself.

My apologies. I thought you were a pot telling me about your potter but here you are telling me you cannot know your potter.

I think every reasonable person might tell me a pot is not a person but I guess I need to wait till i find a reasonable pot.

kkins25:
Reminds me of a time I went to see a babalawo. He said never to join cult less my destiny be taken in a direction it wasn't intended.
Buda, thus thou wish to thwart my destiny to the promised land? lol.

Perhaps don't go and see a babalawo or don't join this cult. Your promised land destiny will then remain intact.

Though i might think you deserve way more than promises, who is buda that thwarts your destiny?

God/god is a title not a person, i see you are talking about the Israelite god, yahweh of shasu tribe.

budaatum:


My apologies. I thought you were a pot telling me about your potter but here you are telling me you cannot know your potter.

I think every reasonable person might tell me a pot is not a person but I guess I need to wait till i find a reasonable pot.

And every reasonable person would have told you that my post was the figure of speech called Metaphor coated with Simile but as usual, you must always be a devil and a coiling snake.

Dtruthspeaker:


And every reasonable person would have told you that my post was the figure of speech called Metaphor coated with Simile but as usual, you must always be a devil and a coiling snake.

So, metaphorically speaking do you or do you not know your maker DT?

budaatum:


So, metaphorically speaking do you or do you not know your maker DT?

And you wilfully excluded the remaining portion of my statement which said "better than the Maker (Potter) himself."!

Dtruthspeaker:


And you wilfully excluded the remaining portion of my statement which said "better than the Maker (Potter) himself."!

To be honest I willfully excluded you when I began this thread, you'd find if you read the opening post.

Please continue posting what you think.
It helps us all grow.

Dtruthspeaker:



1. When was the beginning? - by Genesis, the beginning refers to the beginning of man and this House which we call the world in which he was put to possess it like a house-none stranger and potential tenant who can not pay rent, being given a nice sweet and good house to live in, rent free, without duration. Ah! What a Good Good Landlord!

What do you mean by “this House which we call world”?

Does this beginning refer to a specific date?

budaatum:


To be honest I willfully excluded you when I began this thread, you'd find if you read the opening post.

Please continue posting what you think.
It helps us all grow.

See Anaconda, always slithering to other positions (change of posts) when unable to counter.

Yes I know, which is why I also made a separation in my response.

budaatum:
If you post in here you've joined a cult and commit to using your heart and soul and mind and all your other senses to ask and knock and seek because you know you can not possibly have found it all nor found enough.

If you wish to remain in your religion, as in, if you wish to hold on to what you already know or believe, this is not the cult for you, for those blinded by trees are no good at forest trimming, and this is a cult for those of us who wish to remove the tree from our own eyes so we may see better to trim the forest least we inadvertently remove the fruitful trees.

Please know that I have chosen Genesis 1-5 as the guiding logos for this cult because we all have access to it. I advise it be read or reread after you have become as a child, as in, after you abandon what the words already mean to you so you may see the words with your own eyes and understand what you read with your own mind.

You may have been invited because you used your mind, and might want to help fulfil the mission proposed in this thread, but remember, its a cult! Not everyone must join, so do not in any way feel compelled.

And yes. buda, unfortunately, is the cult thread creator, but no superiority nor inferiority is implied nor should either be inferred.

Una don form cult. Baba cultist

KnownUnknown:


What do you mean by “this House which we call world”?

Does this beginning refer to a specific date?

Whatever period of time when this house we call world was built/created and we were the tenants put in it for free. No rent payment or purchase payments made.

Dtruthspeaker:


Whatever period of time when this house we call world was built/created and we were the tenants put in it for free. No rent payment or purchase payments made.

I still don’t have clarity. I’ll ask one question at a time.

What is “this house that we call world”?

KnownUnknown:


I still don’t have clarity. I’ll ask one question at a time.

What is “this house that we call world”?

You asked 2 questions, I answered one, so here is the my response to the second one.

"this house that we call world” - is this place that we live in not a house? Are we drifting outside in space?

Dtruthspeaker:


You asked 2 questions, I answered one, so here is the my response to the second one.

"this house that we call world” - is this place that we live in not a house? Are we drifting outside in space?

Earth is the world? Is jupiter not part of the world?

Dtruthspeaker:


You asked 2 questions, I answered one, so here is the my response to the second one.

"this house that we call world” - is this place that we live in not a house? Are we drifting outside in space?

Well, I and most people live in man made structures known as houses, which are meant to protect people from the elements, different critters in the environment, and people that may mean to do them harm. Houses come in various forms and there is even one in space called the International Space Station. So, there is a house “drifting outside in space”.

Do you call your own house World?

Before reading on, the seeker must either suspend one's disbelief if one can't believe and accept either what one reads and or the explanation some would give or just abandon reading this ridiculous book with its overbold statements, because it is rather obvious that in seeking answers to the posed questions instead of accepting the answers some wish to force down one's throat or the literal, one might come to different conclusions. After all, it's not as if we all equally see, or equally look, so why assume what some have seen is all that's there to see?

A cultee in the Cult Of The Askers And Bossoms And Seekers will look with your own eyes and see with your own mind. That is this cults entry requirement as stated in the opening post, and this is the beginning. Imagine the questions to be asked the further one reads on or what might happen if you believed and sought no further?

Why do you need to believe a book?
Which other books do you believe in? Anime books?
Do you believe The Avengers too?

tctrills:

Una don form cult. Baba cultist

There is inside and there is outside and I had no choice in the matter.

Dtruthspeaker:


See Anaconda, always slithering to other positions (change of posts) when unable to counter.

Yes I know, which is why I also made a separation in my response.

I am not here to counter you DT. Others are doing a very fine and capable job countering you already.

Maynman:
God/god is a title not a person, i see you are talking about the Israelite god, yahweh of shasu tribe.

You see very wrong. I am not "talking about" the "Israelite god, yahweh of shasu tribe". I am talking about the book that I am reading. Specifically, the so called book of Genesis in a bigger book called the Holy Bible. That book might be "talking" about the "Israelite god, yahweh of shasu tribe" but I am talking about what I am reading in the book.

budaatum:


You see very wrong. I am not "talking about" the "Israelite god, yahweh of shasu tribe". I am talking about the book that I am reading. Specifically, the so called book of Genesis in a bigger book called the Holy Bible. That book might be "talking" about the "Israelite god, yahweh of shasu tribe" but I am talking about what I am reading in the book.

You are reading the pentauch and Sinaiticus that’s talking about the Israelite god, yahweh of shasu tribe.
Bible means BOOK, you are reading the JEWISH BOOK!