God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests. Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.


Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.


Is God still all hearing or deaf all of a sudden and now requires a mediator?

1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

haekymbahd:
God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests. Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.


Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.


Is God still all hearing or deaf all of a sudden and now requires a mediator?

1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

Stop shooting yourself in the foot my friend!

If mankind don't need any mediator why must you worship your Creator through what is written in a book found with a man from Arabia (Muhammed) say?

haekymbahd:
God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests.

Wrong! You lost that privilege.

haekymbahd:

Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.

Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.

As you see, it was in the time when God spoke with men

And Mathew 19:13 shows you that God is Children sensitive.

haekymbahd:

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

Except for Prophetess Deborah, you do not see women being directe employees of God.

Meen, YOU ARE ANTI-CHRIST!

YOU JUST MOVE AROUND THE BIBLE LIKE SATAN, SEEKING HOW TO ATTACK CHRIST!

O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.

MaxInDHouse:



Stop shooting yourself in the foot my friend!

If mankind don't need any mediator why must you worship your Creator through what is written in a book found with a man from Arabia (Muhammed) say?

We pray to Allah directly without any intermediary! We don't pray in Muhammad's name nor pray to Muhammad.

The Prophets are to connect people directly to their LORD not through intermediaries!

Jesus directed all his prayers to God in heaven never to himself.

Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong! You lost that privilege.



As you see, it was in the time when God spoke with men

And Mathew 19:13 shows you that God is Children sensitive.



Except for Prophetess Deborah, you do not see women being directe employees of God.

Meen, YOU ARE ANTI-CHRIST!

YOU JUST MOVE AROUND THE BIBLE LIKE SATAN, SEEKING HOW TO ATTACK CHRIST!

O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.

Does that mean God likes men than women in intermediary business?

AntiChristian:


We pray to Allah directly without any intermediary! We don't pray in Muhammad's name nor pray to Muhammad.

The Prophets are to connect people directly to their LORD not through intermediaries!

Jesus directed all his prayers to God in heaven never to himself.

Why must anyone CONNECT you to your Creator?

AntiChristian:

Does that mean God likes men than women in intermediary business?

Even you evil men do not like women, is it now Holy God who will?

haekymbahd:
God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests. Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.


Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.


Is God still all hearing or deaf all of a sudden and now requires a mediator?

1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

Lol why didn't your Allah bring the Koran himself and your religion?
Gabriel and Mohammed no suppose help am na.

cornelboy:

Lol why didn't your Allah bring the Koran himself and your religion?
Gabriel and Mohammed no suppose help am na.

The funniest thing about Islam is how adherents often try to REASON intelligently with people while everything they want to argue about points back to the religion as unreasonable.

Just imagine someone from Nigeria, Africa say:

"An All Hearing God Needs A Mediator Between Him And Man"

But the religion he's practicing was brought by Arabians claiming a man of their own race is the greatest of all prophets (men connecting people to God) he swallowed that hook line and sinker but wants to argue against the same concept when another group say exactly the same thing!

cornelboy:


Lol why didn't your Allah bring the Koran himself and your religion?
Gabriel and Mohammed no suppose help am na.

so do we pray to Muhammad or Gabriel to get to Allah is it not you christians that pray to Jesus who is a supposed mediator between man and God.


Why do you count catholic praying to Mary to get to Jesus as idolatory but praying to Jesus to get to God as right thing?


Or you want to say you don't know that some christians do pray to Jesus and Mary who is a supposed mediator if you don't fall in the group it is better you keep quiet cos majority of christians does?

haekymbahd:

so do we pray to Muhammad or Gabriel to get to Allah is it not you christians that pray to Jesus who is a supposed mediator between man and God.


Why do you count catholic praying to Mary to get to Jesus as idolatory but praying to Jesus to get to God as right thing?


Or you want to say you don't know that some christians do pray to Jesus and Mary who is a supposed mediator if you don't fall in the group it is better you keep quiet cos majority of christians does?

Some Muslims are KILLING people in support of their religion so you shouldn't talk about your religion at all since you can't present any group of Muslims who don't believe in killing in support of Islam!

AntiChristian:


We pray to Allah directly without any intermediary! We don't pray in Muhammad's name nor pray to Muhammad.

The Prophets are to connect people directly to their LORD not through intermediaries!

Jesus directed all his prayers to God in heaven never to himself.

lies!!! Muha mad man's name is always mentioned at the end of Muslim prayer. Yoruba mumu slims will say "ola anabi wa Muha mad" at the end of their prayers, and they know the character of this beast of mankind! Ask about Muha mad man's character. Leave Bible alone! Christians pray to God in Jesus name. Jesus name is the only name recognized in heaven.

haekymbahd:
so do we pray to Muhammad or Gabriel to get to Allah is it not you christians that pray to Jesus who is a supposed mediator between man and God.


Why do you count catholic praying to Mary to get to Jesus as idolatory but praying to Jesus to get to God as right thing?


Or you want to say you don't know that some christians do pray to Jesus and Mary who is a supposed mediator if you don't fall in the group it is better you keep quiet cos majority of christians does?

True Christians pray to JEHOVAH the one true GOD, not Jesus or any other person.

I just want you to know that not all Christians follow the pagan practices of the Roman Catholic church but the pure doctrines of the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:


Why must anyone CONNECT you to your Creator?

I know you will respond with something beyond the thread. Prophets are not intermediaries or mediators to grant request from God.

God sent Noah and others to connect people back to him when they deviated as is human nature.

Dtruthspeaker:


Even you evil men do not like women, is it now Holy God who will?

I love women Don't lie on me. I love my mum, wife, etc.

Would like to marry up to four ladies.

So I like women. You lied.

Ovacoma:
lies!!! Muha mad man's name is always mentioned at the end of Muslim prayer. Yoruba mumu slims will say "ola anabi wa Muha mad" at the end of their prayers, and they know the character of this beast of mankind! Ask about Muha mad man's character. Leave Bible alone! Christians pray to God in Jesus name. Jesus name is the only name recognized in heaven.

Mentioning Muhammad's name is to follow his traditions and we don't pray to him or through him.

Muhammad is the best of mankind, no doubt no one on earth surpasses him.

And no one uses "ola anobi" in supplication except that he's mistaken. Truly the Prophet possess the "ola" but we are not to use that in supplication.

Have you been to heaven before? How do you know that ONLY Jesus's name is recognized in heaven? Is his father's name not recognized?

AntiChristian:


We pray to Allah directly without any intermediary! We don't pray in Muhammad's name nor pray to Muhammad.

The [b]Prophets are to connect people directly to their LORD [/b]not through intermediaries!

Jesus directed all his prayers to God in heaven never to himself.

Are the prophets not intermediaries?

cornelboy:

Are the prophets not intermediaries?

Who prayed in their names?

JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR. WE ARE ALL JESUS TO GOD SO WE ARE QUALIFIED TO APPROACH GOD DIRECTLY.

JESUS IS A PRAYER TO GOD.

AntiChristian:

I know you will respond with something beyond the thread. Prophets are not intermediaries or mediators to grant request from God. God sent Noah and others to connect people back to him when they deviated as is human nature.

Why sending Noah?
Why not speak to each person?
In as much as you're trying to argue about this matter you can't prove that God shouldn't use intermediaries between him and humans.

Angels and Prophets are messengers of God and the only duty of a messenger is to serve as INTERMEDIARY between two or more persons.

haekymbahd:
God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests. Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.


Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.


Is God still all hearing or deaf all of a sudden and now requires a mediator?

1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

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"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." - 1 Corinthians 1:18

MaxInDHouse:


Why sending Noah?
Why not speak to each person?
In as much as you're trying to argue about this matter you can't prove that God shouldn't use intermediaries between him and humans.

Angels and Prophets are messengers of God and the only duty of a messenger is to serve as INTERMEDIARY between two or more persons.

Using intermediary to proclaim the message of God is not the aim of OP. This is widely accepted in Islam as Allah raises people from amongst them to minister to them.

Using intermediary during request is the context! But you need to change the context to argue your point!

No one is saying Prophets are not intermediaries! Which of the Prophet was used in prayer requests as the Catholics use Mary?

AntiChristian:

Using intermediary to proclaim the message of God is not the aim of OP. This is widely accepted in Islam as Allah raises people from amongst them to minister to them.
Using intermediary during request is the context! But you need to change the context to argue your point!
No one is saying Prophets are not intermediaries! Which of the Prophet was used in prayer requests as the Catholics use Mary?

This is understandable my friend, so the point is using intermediaries to make requests shey?

Of course it's not logical asking for any favour from a King through his servants but you can do that through an heir to the throne (Prince) because the King will listen to his son's request and whatever the Prince tells his dad (King) about you will be taken seriously!

Don't worshippers of prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) use him in prayer requests? Didn't allah himself also pray for his favourite prophet?

AntiChristian:


Using intermediary to proclaim the message of God is not the aim of OP. This is widely accepted in Islam as Allah raises people from amongst them to minister to them.

Using intermediary during request is the context! But you need to change the context to argue your point!

No one is saying Prophets are not intermediaries! Which of the Prophet was used in prayer requests as the Catholics use Mary?

Don't mind the fool. They even equate the knowledge of their god with the knowledge of their "prophet" because they are always saying "Allah and his apostle know best"

1. They (i.e. the delegate from the tribe of Rabi’a) said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.”

(Bukhari 9 : 91 : 371)

2. On that ‘Umar wept and said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 8 : 74 : 276)

3. On that, ‘Umar’s eyes became flooded with tears and he said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.“ (Bukhari 9 : 84 : 72)

4. I (i.e. Mu’adh bin Jabal) replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 7 : 72 : 850)

5. Abu Talha said, “O Um Sulaim! Allah’s Apostle has come and we have no food to feed them.” Um Sulaim said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” So Abu Talha went out (to receive them) till he met Allah’s Apostle. (Bukhari 8 : 78 : 679)

MaxInDHouse:



Stop shooting yourself in the foot my friend!

If mankind don't need any mediator why must you worship your Creator through what is written in a book found with a man from Arabia (Muhammed) say?

GreatAxeMan:
Don't mind the fool. They even equate the knowledge of their god with the knowledge of their "prophet" because they are always saying "Allah and his apostle know best"

1. They (i.e. the delegate from the tribe of Rabi’a) said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.”

(Bukhari 9 : 91 : 371)

2. On that ‘Umar wept and said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 8 : 74 : 276)

3. On that, ‘Umar’s eyes became flooded with tears and he said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.“ (Bukhari 9 : 84 : 72)

4. I (i.e. Mu’adh bin Jabal) replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 7 : 72 : 850)

5. Abu Talha said, “O Um Sulaim! Allah’s Apostle has come and we have no food to feed them.” Um Sulaim said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” So Abu Talha went out (to receive them) till he met Allah’s Apostle. (Bukhari 8 : 78 : 679)

I was once a Muslim so none of these is new to me, i only pity them because they don't know what to say in order to convince anyone about their god so in a bid to preach their religion they end up implicating Allah and it's Muhammad!

You pray to allah using prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) as your intermediary!

You even credit him with having the same knowledge (knowing the same things) as your god allah, which is why you always say: Allah and his apostle know best

1. They (i.e. the delegate from the tribe of Rabi’a) said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.”

(Bukhari 9 : 91 : 371)

2. On that ‘Umar wept and said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 8 : 74 : 276)

3. On that, ‘Umar’s eyes became flooded with tears and he said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.“ (Bukhari 9 : 84 : 72)

4. I (i.e. Mu’adh bin Jabal) replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 7 : 72 : 850)

5. Abu Talha said, “O Um Sulaim! Allah’s Apostle has come and we have no food to feed them.” Um Sulaim said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” So Abu Talha went out (to receive them) till he met Allah’s Apostle. (Bukhari 8 : 78 : 679)

AntiChristian:


We pray to Allah directly without any intermediary! We don't pray in Muhammad's name nor pray to Muhammad.

The Prophets are to connect people directly to their LORD not through intermediaries!

Jesus directed all his prayers to God in heaven never to himself.

haekymbahd:
God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests. Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.


Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.


Is God still all hearing or deaf all of a sudden and now requires a mediator?

1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

AntiChristian:


I love women Don't lie on me. I love my mum, wife, etc.

Would like to marry up to four ladies.

So I like women. You lied.

Why do you bring mockery on yourself? Do we not see how you people treat women, both the ones in your houses and the ones outside? Is it not that you people say a woman is equal to a dog?

Hian, lie as you like. Everyone knows the uselessness of women to Muslims beyond argument and your Talibans just keep proving and proving it.

Dtruthspeaker:


Why do you bring mockery on yourself? Do we not see how you people treat women, both the ones in your houses and the ones outside? Is it not that you people say a woman is equal to a dog?

Hian, lie as you like. Everyone knows the uselessness of women to Muslims beyond argument and your Talibans just keep proving and proving it.

You have no proof of how useless women are in Islam. I remember Numbers 31. The men of a whole tribe was killed and the infants, old women but only the virgins were spared. In Numbers 31:40. Your LORD got a share of 16 virgins.

Such is how women are treated from the old testament. I don't think Jesus and Paul ever married to teach much about marriage or women.

I still remember Jesus forbid divorce except when sexual immorality is involved. Even marrying divorcee is adultery. So a woman who is maltreated have to endure till she dies.

If she leaves then she has to embrace either fornication or masturbation to satisfy herself.

Let me pause here.

GreatAxeMan:
You pray to allah using prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) as your intermediary!

You even credit him with having the same knowledge (knowing the same things) as your god allah, which is why you always say: Allah and his apostle know best

1. They (i.e. the delegate from the tribe of Rabi’a) said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.”

(Bukhari 9 : 91 : 371)

2. On that ‘Umar wept and said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 8 : 74 : 276)

3. On that, ‘Umar’s eyes became flooded with tears and he said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.“ (Bukhari 9 : 84 : 72)

4. I (i.e. Mu’adh bin Jabal) replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 7 : 72 : 850)

5. Abu Talha said, “O Um Sulaim! Allah’s Apostle has come and we have no food to feed them.” Um Sulaim said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” So Abu Talha went out (to receive them) till he met Allah’s Apostle. (Bukhari 8 : 78 : 679)

Are all these like in Jesus name and hail Mary?

Dey think na!

The sex award winner is the one who was awarded virgins in Numbers 31:40.

GreatAxeMan:
You pray to allah using prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) as your intermediary!

You even credit him with having the same knowledge (knowing the same things) as your god allah, which is why you always say: Allah and his apostle know best

1. They (i.e. the delegate from the tribe of Rabi’a) said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.”

(Bukhari 9 : 91 : 371)

2. On that ‘Umar wept and said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 8 : 74 : 276)

3. On that, ‘Umar’s eyes became flooded with tears and he said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.“ (Bukhari 9 : 84 : 72)

4. I (i.e. Mu’adh bin Jabal) replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” (Bukhari 7 : 72 : 850)

5. Abu Talha said, “O Um Sulaim! Allah’s Apostle has come and we have no food to feed them.” Um Sulaim said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” So Abu Talha went out (to receive them) till he met Allah’s Apostle. (Bukhari 8 : 78 : 679)

How does these makes him equal to Allah?