Shoodboi:
This is what Ukraine should have done from the onset:

Join an economic alliance founded to unite Europe but no, Zelensky went on to try joining a military alliance founded to destroy its neighbor.

Unfortunately, switching from joining NATO to joining the EU in the middle of a NATO/EU-funded war is very suspicious, and clearly a poorly hidden plot to apply for NATO membership after joining the EU.

Russia can see through that.

It is obvious that you don't even know the origin of the crisis. Ukrainians wanted to join European Union. Victor Yanukovych Rejected The Ukrainian-European agreement and he was ousted due to protest in 2014...They wanted to join European Union and they only decided and made it a priority to join NATO after Russia Annexed Crimea. Obviously the noise about NATO has made alot of you to think this is about NATO... If Ukraine decide to be Neutral and ask Russia to return Annexed territories then you will know that this is about land Grabbing.

Claims of joining NATO is just a ploy by Putin to invade Ukraine
I just don't understand why that is hard to comprehend. This is a Putin that signed a pact never to attack Ukraine if they give up their nuclear weapons.
The real question is why are all Russia's neighbours looking for protection but Russia don't want them to have that protection?

Shoodboi:
This is what Ukraine should have done from the onset:

Join an economic alliance founded to unite Europe but no, Zelensky went on to try joining a military alliance founded to destroy its neighbor.

Unfortunately, switching from joining NATO to joining the EU in the middle of a NATO/EU-funded war is very suspicious, and clearly a poorly hidden plot to apply for NATO membership after joining the EU.

Russia can see through that.

i cant wait for Ukraine army to act and remove zelenskyy as the president, hes foolish.. this is not how to protect your people.. Americans bringing weapons to them to fight and kill them self's. they know what they are doing. this people are bad

wolesmile:
Why is this zelensky allowing himself to be pushed beyond his capacity. I won't be surprised if mad Putin takes this war to the extreme.
Why announce Ukraine is about to become a member of NATO?

Remember, War doesn't determine who is right. It determines who is left. By the time this war is over, Ukraine will be left in both physical and psychological ruins that will take years to recover from.

He couldn't have kept it secret, because its a open discussion between NATO member states, obviously it's not secret.

Secondly, Germany became highest economy 30 years after World War II, I don't think you'll allow a man like you beat up your wife and you'll quite because he's stronger than you.

Guyman02:
Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe before the invasion, now that all they have comes from foreign aid EU will not allow them to become members.
NATO just needed them as pawns to contain Russia and not as economic partnership, moreover the eastern part Donbass that has the natural resources is almost occupied now by Russia, it's like Nigeria joining G20 without South South oil and gas

Trash post.

Utanisco:
Russia has lost the war
Finish

Because they will be eventually fighting EU/NATO



Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Daaaaaa

The most adamant president i have ever seen
Zelensky

The fool is adamant because his family member haven't yet been killed in this senseless war. He is sending his citizens to certain death and forming online hero.

plaindealer:
Sadly for Putin, he just pushed Ukraine too close to the wall and end up unleashing Ukraine's power, ingenuity, smartness and tech advancement.

Ukraine is going to be the new Israel in that region, when this is all over Putin will not keep Ukraine aond he can not, the West will weaponize Ukraine and Ukraine itself will wake up from slumber.

Ukraine was the heart of the old Soviet Union, Ukrainians built nearly everything that made the USSR a superpower, even the Russian flagship Ukraine sank a few days ago was built in Ukraine by Ukrainians, they have Nuclear technology, they have rocket technology, the Soyuz space capsule that sent the USSR to space was built in Ukraine by Ukrainians, the EU VEGA space rocket was built in Ukraine by Ukrainians.

The USSR's ballistic missiles were all built in Ukraine.


The Ukraine Neptune missile that sand the Russian warship is just the beginning, now with Russia trying to eliminate them, they have no choice but to go Nuclear, scale up weaponizations across the board.

They are world-class ship builders, rocket builders, weapons maker and the West will definitely fortify Ukraine defenses that Putin won't dare venture into Ukraine.

Ukraine is all but certain EU member and even though they can not join NATO at the moment, they are radically part of NATO, just not officially and on paper.

Btw, the Missiles that sank Russia did not come from the West, they came from Ukraine, manufactured right there in Ukraine so just imagine what else they've manufactured and what's coming up the pipeline...

The west is already crippling him by stopping his economic and military advancement, while allowing Ukraine to grow militarily.

Putin like most dictators, sociopaths and megalomaniacs love to overestimate themselves and foolishly gamble, but the Kremlin clown gambled and lost.

Really, Ukraine has all these technologies u listed, can do all these tins u listed, yet did not do it since it broke free from soviet union.

Shoodboi:
This is what Ukraine should have done from the onset:

Join an economic alliance founded to unite Europe but no, Zelensky went on to try joining a military alliance founded to destroy its neighbor.

Unfortunately, switching from joining NATO to joining the EU in the middle of a NATO/EU-funded war is very suspicious, and clearly a poorly hidden plot to apply for NATO membership after joining the EU.

Russia can see through that.

Thats wrong of u

Splendor27:
keep kwait,,No be only end of the world peace na end of earth piss....when they sank their best warship,,wat happened nothing,just overhyped country,now ukraine don open dem yansh...NATO consist of 32countries which most have nuclear weapon...it wunt even take NATO 24hrs before before dey sweep russia from face of the earth if not for the innocent lives NATO is considering..

See how you open mouth yarn rubbish full ground, NATO will wipe out Russia within 24hrs, is like you forgot that Russia has the Nuclear warhead that’s bigger than both US and NATO in combine go research for yourself and stop being stupid, The war so far has been coordinated by US and NATO in combine supplying weapons to fight a single country yet they’re not winning the proxy war if Russia allies team up and start assisting Russia it’s finished for US and NATO that’s why they’re pressuring and recruiting other nations like China and India not to have any dealings with Russia, let me also remind you that nobody wins in Nuclear war we all die… Dey there Dey clap for those idiots using the peace of the world to play all in the name of political gain.

bkool7:
Claims of joining NATO is just a ploy by Putin to invade Ukraine
I just don't understand why that is hard to comprehend. This is a Putin that signed a pact never to attack Ukraine if they give up their nuclear weapons.
The real question is why are all Russia's neighbours looking for protection but Russia don't want them to have that protection?

Putin never signed any pact with Ukraine. Russia did. And it signed the same deal with Belarus and Kazakhstan who gave up their nukes.

Also, Ukraine (and these other countries) did not have control over the weapons as the launch codes were with Russia. So the nukes were more or less useless unless they found a way to get the codes from Russia.

14 ex-Soviet states (including a few sharing borders with Russia) have joined NATO so it's false to assume that Russia has issues with ex-Soviet states joining NATO.

However, Russia has issues with Ukraine and Georgia joining because they share large land borders with Russia.

And Ukraine's case is worse because it controls Russia's access to the Black Sea (Russia has limited access to the ocean) and can block ships from exporting stuff out of Russia. Russia's other access to the ocean are in the North Sea which is frozen for most time of the year.

Asides that, Ukraine is super-close to Moscow. Kyiv to Moscow is a 1 hr 15 min flight, and the flight would be shorter when undertaken at some location closer to the Russian border.

Now, imagine NATO (which was founded with the sole purpose of invading the Soviet Union) keeping military hardware, aircraft, and soldiers, right at those borders?

History555:



Really, Ukraine has all these technologies u listed, can do all these tins u listed, yet did not do it since it broke free from soviet union.

Your comment is too elementary for me to waste my time on. Your username is history and you know nothing about history, sad irony.

loswhite:
It is obvious that you don't even know the origin of the crisis. Ukrainians wanted to join European Union. Victor Yanukovych Rejected The Ukrainian-European agreement and he was ousted due to protest in 2014...They wanted to join European Union and they only decided and made it a priority to join NATO after Russia Annexed Crimea. Obviously the noise about NATO has made alot of you to think this is about NATO... If Ukraine decide to be Neutral and ask Russia to return Annexed territories then you will know that this is about land Grabbing.

From NATO's website, you can see that Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (which was formed by NATO to bring the former Soviet states other than Russia into NATO) in 1991. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm#:~:text=Dialogue%20and%20cooperation%20started%20when,for%20Peace%20programme%20(1994).

At the same time, EU's website here shows that Ukraine first established trade relations with the EU three years later in 1994. (Mind you, it didn't talk about joining the EU). https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/2672-euukraine-partnership-and-cooperation-agreement

So why was (and is) Ukraine more interested in joining the military NATO and not the economic EU?

Ukriane didn't join NATO because Germany and France repeatedly refused its membership as it shares a large land border with Russia, controls Russia's access to the Black sea, and is of course, too close to Moscow. Kyiv to Moscow is 1hr 15mins and it'd be much shorter if a plane takes off closer to the border.

Meanwhile, US and UK continued urging it to reapply and even lobbied other EU countries to allow its membership, which they all did -- except of course, Germany and France.

Ukraine only started trying to join EU after its NATO bid failed and it was clearly a ploy to join the EU first and then, NATO afterwards.

The Yanukovych you talked about wanted a neutral Ukraine that was neither here nor there, and the protests you talked about happened after he refused to sign an agreement to bring Ukraine into the EU. Russia claimed NATO funded the protests, NATO denied it, and Ukraine became a madhouse.

did the US lobby libya, syria, afghanistan and iraq? THEY launch missiles everywhere with jets and ships on iraq, libya and afghanistan. Saddam Hussein is dead by hanging, Gaddafi is killed like a FISH, and those are entirely different country.

you were blaming Russia but forget NATO/US did the same. look if you no fit fight giant, you compromise with the giant.
that's the problem with Zelensky. you think he go don learn from wetin happen to all the other leaders I mention, but he no wan learn. at the end, if this continues, Ukraine go look worse than Syria or Yemen

Do you have any BRAIN at all

Wazobia2216:

You spoke about the US and NATO, Ukraine is another country entirely!

If Putin doesn't have these missiles... He's so proud of, wouldn't he have handled this issue differently

Couldn't he have lobbied Ukraine instead of killing them

How is Russian different from the US and NATO you just described

plaindealer:



https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-completes-questionnaire-eu-membership-official-2022-04-18/?taid=625cc6352d4cd200014999e0&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

No one stop UKRAINE from joining EU from day one rather it EU rejecting UKRAINE for over 8years now.

Bluntguy:
So they are still at the questionnaire stage. Before their membership is fully completed, Russia must have taken over the entire country.

Russia can’t.
They could only have Eastern Ukraine.
People don’t realize this but NATO is in this war.
They are heavily funding the Ukrainian people
Aiding them with money, loads of modern warfare artillery & strategy.
The only thing NATO isn’t engaging in is sending over troops.
The battle ground to fight Russia is Ukrainian soil.
These allies never really gave a damn about human lives & properties. It’s all about power, control. Hopefully it doesn’t get to the use of nuclear weapons.
NATO & EU will help Ukraine rebuild once this is over. They’re using modern drones to knock out those frightening and less effective 20th century Russian tanks.

Bluntguy:
So they are still at the questionnaire stage. Before their membership is fully completed, Russia must have taken over the entire country.

The retreating Russia or which one are you talking about?

bkool7:
Claims of joining NATO is just a ploy by Putin to invade Ukraine
I just don't understand why that is hard to comprehend. This is a Putin that signed a pact never to attack Ukraine if they give up their nuclear weapons.
The real question is why are all Russia's neighbours looking for protection but Russia don't want them to have that protection?

Bcus Russia is an aggressor and a land grabbing bitch,who doesn't wants them to have any sort of defense when they come doing their normal normal.
Which is to take and suppress the will of their own neighbors.

loswhite:
It is obvious that you don't even know the origin of the crisis. Ukrainians wanted to join European Union. Victor Yanukovych Rejected The Ukrainian-European agreement and he was ousted due to protest in 2014...They wanted to join European Union and they only decided and made it a priority to join NATO after Russia Annexed Crimea. Obviously the noise about NATO has made alot of you to think this is about NATO... If Ukraine decide to be Neutral and ask Russia to return Annexed territories then you will know that this is about land Grabbing.

The ancient chess game powerful men always played
In the power dynamics, 3 things made up Alpha men/rulers
1. Conquering lands
2. Resources
3. Access to virgins.

Russian empire would argue they’ve been land grabbing because NATO had been expanding eastwards for ages now & Moscow felt threatened
If you look at the NATO map 22 years ago & how they’ve expanded today you’d see reasons why Russia government is uneasy

People would argue that NATO was solely created in 1949 to fight Moscow
Men like Putin in ancient times eventually get murdered.
One man controlling so much land & resources

Bluntguy:
So they are still at the questionnaire stage. Before their membership is fully completed, Russia must have taken over the entire country.

Don't forget that Russia ran out of Kieve

Wazobia2216:

Russian is nothing but a bully

You dey your country dey dictate for another country!

The tenth wonder of the world

Wetin America, UK and EU dey do?

Russia has no objections to Ukraine joining the European Union if it pledges not to join NATO.

Shoodboi:


Putin never signed any pact with Ukraine. Russia did. And it signed the same deal with Belarus and Kazakhstan who gave up their nukes.

Also, Ukraine (and these other countries) did not have control over the weapons as the launch codes were with Russia. So the nukes were more or less useless unless they found a way to get the codes from Russia.

14 ex-Soviet states (including a few sharing borders with Russia) have joined NATO so it's false to assume that Russia has issues with ex-Soviet states joining NATO.

However, Russia has issues with Ukraine and Georgia joining because they share large land borders with Russia.

And Ukraine's case is worse because it controls Russia's access to the Black Sea (Russia has limited access to the ocean) and can block ships from exporting stuff out of Russia. Russia's other access to the ocean are in the North Sea which is frozen for most time of the year.

Asides that, Ukraine is super-close to Moscow. Kyiv to Moscow is a 1 hr 15 min flight, and the flight would be shorter when undertaken at some location closer to the Russian border.

Now, imagine NATO (which was founded with the sole purpose of invading the Soviet Union) keeping military hardware, aircraft, and soldiers, right at those borders?

I've taken time to bold some false comments you made. Those I'll address.

Of cos Russia has issues with ex USSR that don't act it's script or it's friendly with the West. As long as you act the script Putin hands over - you're good.
Examples is Belarus. It's the only state Putin is not threatening and we all know they're his dummies.

NATO was the aftermath of the WW2. Democratic nations had to form an alliance to overpower future dictators like Hilter. Even Russia made attempt at joining NATO but could not meet the requirements .So NATO wasn't primarily an alliance to attack Russia but to defend against evil and non Democratic tyrants. It's just a coincidence that Putin is a tyrant .
Russia's neighbours started taken shelter in NATO when Russia started invading some of them. Since Russia has become a predator, they went to NATO, NATO did not come to them.

Felixamos:


Always trying to sound intelligent mostly on topics that don't concern you.. What do you know about Europe politics?

No mind that idiot.. He think say na he terrorist darling daddy matter them dey talk there. Mumu zombie..

Bigchristo:
Discipline by who exactly? The US and NATO countries dishing out sanctions? If them born them well make them start war with Russia that will be the end of World peace, is like una nor want make peace Dey the world again

and u think say peace dey the world right now. Only NATO can take care of Russia

yinkeys:

The ancient chess game powerful men always played
In the power dynamics, 3 things made up Alpha men/rulers
1. Conquering lands
2. Resources
3. Access to virgins.

Russian empire would argue they’ve been land grabbing because NATO had been expanding eastwards for ages now & Moscow felt threatened
If you look at the NATO map 22 years ago & how they’ve expanded today you’d see reasons why Russia government is uneasy

People would argue that NATO was solely created in 1949 to fight Moscow
Men like Putin in ancient times eventually get murdered.
One man controlling so much land & resources

The simple question is why are Russian Neighbors choosing the west?

loswhite:
The simple question is why are Russian Neighbors choosing the west?

Money, corporations, democracy

Corporations run America
Putin is a dictator lol
He only understands the use of force & fear
Whereas the other can go economic, use force or be diplomatic to get what they want.
They’d prefer multinationals to one man in the Kremlin that frightens them regularly

bkool7:


Of cos Russia has issues with ex USSR that don't act it's script or it's friendly with the West. As long as you act the script Putin hands over - you're good.
Examples is Belarus. It's the only state Putin is not threatening and we all know they're his dummies.

Using the same logic, wouldn't I be correct if I say ex-Soviet states that joined NATO are acting out on a script by the US?

There is no record of Putin (or Russia) giving anyone any script but there are records of the US urging ex-Soviet states to join NATO. This started right after the fall of the Soviet Union when the US created the North Atlantic Cooperation Council to act as the first step to getting ex-Soviet states (other than Russia, which was the major bloc in the Soviet Union, and considered the successor of the Soviet Union) into NATO.

Also, lots of ex-Soviet states have super-good relations with Russia, so I don't understand why you're fingering Belarus and making it appear as if every ex-Soviet state hates Russia or want to join NATO.

bkool7:
NATO was the aftermath of the WW2. Democratic nations had to form an alliance to overpower future dictators like Hilter. Even Russia made attempt at joining NATO but could not meet the requirements .So NATO wasn't primarily an alliance to attack Russia but to defend against evil and non Democratic tyrants. It's just a coincidence that Putin is a tyrant .
Russia's neighbours started taken shelter in NATO when Russia started invading some of them. Since Russia has become a predator, they went to NATO, NATO did not come to them.

Again, I'll take you to this quote from NATO's website:

It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism, forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration.[/b]

The boldened is the main reason why NATO was founded. You should understand that WWII stripped the UK, Japan, and France of their superpower status, leaving US and the Soviet Union as the two economic and military superpowers left.

And both were trying to spread their ideologies throughout the world in their bid to expand and win more influence. The US spread capitalism while the Soviets spread communism. It was this communism the US was trying to counter with NATO.

And we see that through the Cold War and series of physical wars that occurred in the late mid to late 20th and even early 21st centuries, capitalism spread, making the US richer and the Soviet Union and other Communist states poorer as a result, leading to its collapse.

Now, regarding the Soviet Union wanting to join NATO, the Soviets thought NATO was founded to stop another war in Europe (as US told everyone at the time) without realizing it was formed to counter their influence. They soon found out though, leading them to be wary of the association.

You also need to understand that UK and France planned to invade the Soviet Union during WWII until of course, Germany invaded France, leading the UK and whatever was left of the French military to focus on fighting Germany. (Germany would later invade the Soviet Union too, dragging it into the war). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike

The US and UK were still interested in invading the Sovieet Union and even drew up plans, but abandoned them because the Soviet Union was too powerful. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

And why do they hate the Soviet Union so much?

Because Russia negotiated a surrender with Germany during WWI, leaving the American, French, and British to continue fighting the war.

Russia didn't leave the war because it wanted to. It left because its rulers were overthrown during a revolution and the new rulers were not interested in continuing the war. https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/sovi.html

B2Bmen:
and u think say peace dey the world right now. Only NATO can take care of Russia

Russia is too big for them to handle, I wish they can do it they would have deployed troops and weapons to Earsten Europe and run Russia down like they do to other smaller countries, There’s still peace now as we speak when e boil me and you nor go see chance take enter news blog

Bigchristo:
Discipline by who exactly? The US and NATO countries dishing out sanctions? If them born them well make them start war with Russia that will be the end of World peace, is like una nor want make peace Dey the world again

Your so daft, senseless and ignorant.


WHO DOESN'T KNOW NATO WON'T ATTACK RUSSIA FIRST UNTIL RUSSIA TRIGGERS.


IF RUSSIA WERE THAT STRONG WHAT MADE THEM NOT TO HIT D LEAST NATO NATO THEN SEE RESPONSE FROM US ALONE. OP. GO AND READ HOW USA SAVE RUSSIA from BEING DESTROYED BY HITLER IN WWII.

WWII COSTS 80M DEATHS. WITH LESSER population FROM EACH COUNTRY, NOW THINK OF IF WWIII SHOULD START, ITS PREDICAMENTS. HOW MANY COUNTRY CAN RUSSIA TAKE DOWN? LOL... WHO IS GONNA HELP THEM? CHINA AND NORTH KOREA LOL..

Felixamos:


Please tell me, why is the war still on even after Ukraine's president has openly come out to say they won't join NATO?

He may have come out openly to declare that, but that is not how it is done in international law, there has to be a complete ratification of the Minsk agreement by the country's legislation and an amendment of the country's constitution to state it's neutrality to any multi national military alliance.

dappydozzy:


He may have come out openly to declare that, but that is not how it is done in international law, there has to be a complete ratification of the Minsk agreement by the country's legislation and an amendment of the country's constitution to state it's neutrality to any multi national military alliance.

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Benny6944:





Your so daft, senseless and ignorant.


WHO DOESN'T KNOW NATO WON'T ATTACK RUSSIA FIRST UNTIL RUSSIA TRIGGERS.


IF RUSSIA WERE THAT STRONG WHAT MADE THEM NOT TO HIT D LEAST NATO NATO THEN SEE RESPONSE FROM US ALONE. OP. GO AND READ HOW USA SAVE RUSSIA from BEING DESTROYED BY HITLER IN WWII.

WWII COSTS 80M DEATHS. WITH LESSER population FROM EACH COUNTRY, NOW THINK OF IF WWIII SHOULD START, ITS PREDICAMENTS. HOW MANY COUNTRY CAN RUSSIA TAKE DOWN? LOL... WHO IS GONNA HELP THEM? CHINA AND NORTH KOREA LOL..

You’re just too senseless, Russia is not interested in hitting NATO country the only thing they want for their Neighboring countries to be neutral because there’s an agreement on ground which banned NATO from expanding their territories to Eastern Europe, even the US you’re talking about won’t allow it Neighboring countries to join any military alliance with it enemies and unfriendly countries, remember what happened to Cuba when they were getting nuclear supplies from Russia? You’re talking about world war how Russia was rescued by the US, let me remind you that we are in 21 century where the world has far developed from Stone Age to digital world technology has advanced even building of Nukes has far developed than anyone can imagine trying to bully any countries, Russia is not a push over country they’re the major rivals to the US even in cold wars and everything arm sales crude oil and gas sales with other resources Russia is also rich.