Science and religion are far from complementary. They are polar opposites. The latter is founded on dogma and operates exclusively on faith, while the former is founded on scepticism and operates on rigorous testing and experimental verification (or falsification) of a hypothesis with hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence.

Which brings us to — Since no hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence has ever been presented by anyone for the existence of any god (any of the 8,000–12,000 of them worshiped on different parts of this planet), when one decides to look at the evidence from a scientific perspective the whole thing falls apart. One, inevitably, arrives at the logical conclusion that religion is not really based on facts or the word of a supernatural being, but is instead man-made bs.

Which is probably why the original creators of those tales thought it might be a good idea to add a footnote or two, like “believe and don't doubt”, or “the lord works in mysterious ways”. What they really mean is, don’t ask too many questions otherwise our story will fall apart.

Now, you are welcome to believe that the universe was created by god a mere 7000 years ago, the sun orbits the earth, some dude called Lazarus kicked the bucket but then arose from the dead, another dude called Samson killed 1000 philistines with a donkey's jawbone, or a 500-year-old grandpa packed 9 million species × 2 on a wooden boat which then inbred among themselves in the biggest incest orgy ever staged to perpetuate life on earth.

Do you think that from the beginning of this world to these last days that those who truly have and profess the testimony of the Lord GOD YESHUA, the CHRIST... even unto the end of their sojourning on this earth by GOD's grace do so for fun?

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences." - 2 Corinthians 5:10-11

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"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." - John 3:11

"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world." - 1 John 4:14

"For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us" - 1 John 1:2

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"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." - Mark 1:15

We are too intelligently crafted to doubt that we are not crafted by a supernatural level of intelligence.

We are designed in imperfect shapes to reveal a very perfect position.

In every form of imperfections of life is greatly revealed an enormous perfection. Science came to meet it all and it may take another 2 million years for science to answer almost all the mind bugling questions.

My hand has five unequal fingers when stretched out and became almost very equal on folding. Who is responsible for such crafty design? You can choose not to believe in the Bible or God at your risk but you can never choose not to expire from this world.

In our mothers womb we are destined by who to stay for a span of 9 months after which we are birthed into this world, this cannot be by a distorted superpower because regardless, universally it is very so organized. Who did it so and why?

Believe in science much as you wish but do not ever disbelieve in God whose foolishness is wiser than the wisest of men. Peace!

FatherOfJesus:
Science and religion are far from complementary. They are polar opposites. The latter is founded on dogma and operates exclusively on faith, while the former is founded on scepticism and operates on rigorous testing and experimental verification (or falsification) of a hypothesis with hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence.

Which brings us to — Since no hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence has ever been presented by anyone for the existence of any god (any of the 8,000–12,000 of them worshiped on different parts of this planet), when one decides to look at the evidence from a scientific perspective the whole thing falls apart. One, inevitably, arrives at the logical conclusion that religion is not really based on facts or the word of a supernatural being, but is instead man-made bs.

Which is probably why the original creators of those tales thought it might be a good idea to add a footnote or two, like “believe and don't doubt”, or “the lord works in mysterious ways”. What they really mean is, don’t ask too many questions otherwise our story will fall apart.

Now, you are welcome to believe that the universe was created by god a mere 7000 years ago, the sun orbits the earth, some dude called Lazarus kicked the bucket but then arose from the dead, another dude called Samson killed 1000 philistines with a donkey's jawbone, or a 500-year-old grandpa packed 9 million species × 2 on a wooden boat which then inbred among themselves in the biggest incest orgy ever staged to perpetuate life on earth.

There is a difference between science and religion. Any attempt to equate both would lead us to the heresy of Johans Metz who saw both as complimentary. By the way I think you' d rather had said empirical instead of "skeptism"

[quote author=Felimax post=113115023]We are too intelligently crafted to doubt that we are not crafted by a supernatural level of intelligence.[ /quote]it means that thr supernatural level of int9has to be also too intelligent to have not been crafted based on your logic.
If he cannot be crafted then why do you think we were crafted even when we have not evidence for that.

We are designed in imperfect shapes to reveal a very perfect position.

In every form of imperfections of life is greatly revealed an enormous perfection. Science came to meet it all and it may take another 2 million years for science to answer almost all the mind bugling questions.

You can make as much claims as you like, it doesn't make sense if you didn't attach an evidence in science.

My hand has five unequal fingers when stretched out and became almost very equal on folding. Who is responsible for such crafty design? You can choose not to believe in the Bible or God at your risk but you can never choose not to expire from this world.

In our mothers womb we are destined by who to stay for a span of 9 months after which we are birthed into this world, this cannot be by a distorted superpower because regardless, universally it is very so organized. Who did it so and why?

Believe in science much as you wish but do not ever disbelieve in God whose foolishness is wiser than the wisest of men. Peace!

who created God. He's too perfect to have come out of thing air as well. He has to have a creator and this your logic against you. It will fall apart when we start scrutinizing it

FatherOfJesus:
Science and religion are far from complementary. ...

Do you real eyes that you are getting more stupider by the day?

Even the Bible did say that the world was made created in and with knowledge.

And science means "To know".

Hence, scientists are only learning TO KNOW what God has already done and moved away!

Science is always behind playing catch up.

Dtruthspeaker:


Do you real eyes that you are getting more stupider by the day?

Even the Bible did say that the world was made created in and with knowledge.

And science means "To know".

Hence, scientists are only learning TO KNOW what God has already done and moved away!

Science is always behind playing catch up.

Word!! Science is always playing catch up!!

Dtruthspeaker:


Do you real eyes that you are getting more stupider by the day?

Even the Bible did say that the world was made created in and with knowledge.

what the Bible says is inconsequential to science. It's just another out of many religious text.

And science means "To know".

Hence, scientists are only learning TO KNOW what God has already done and moved away!

Science is always behind playing catch up.

this is baseless argument that will fall apart when I start framing your brain logically on this thread

NuclearReactor:
Word!! Science is always playing catch up!!

catch up on what.?

Catchup on religious text written by middleast goat herders?

Funny guy

What is there to catch up on people who think the earth is flat and that the sun ca ever stop moving?
Sounds like some set shit in the Bible that low IQ Christians believe.

NuclearReactor:
Word!! Science is always playing catch up!!

Catch up in what sense?
What modern technology or scientific theory is based on passages in the bible?

Biblical claims about the world contradicts scientific observations.

FatherOfJesus:
catch up on what.?

Catchup on religious text written by middleast goat herders?

“Middleast goat herders” is an Eurocentric slur created by less pigmented people who don’t understand things and are quick to disparage others. That’s how they reduced various spiritual traditions on the African continent to “plaything” or “joujou”. Meanwhile they assume some european man in the middle of Rome is the earthly representative of a “Middle East” deity. Their arrogance is only surpassed by their willful
ignorance. The basic tenet of the Middle Eastern god they appropriated is “thou shalt not make images of the deity”, but they paint said deity in their own melanin deficient image.

Nay, the audience were goat herders, farmers, craftsmen, and the ever gullible housewife but the authors were not “Middle East got herders”.

FatherOfJesus:
Science and religion are far from complementary. They are polar opposites. The latter is founded on dogma and operates exclusively on faith, while the former is founded on scepticism and operates on rigorous testing and experimental verification (or falsification) of a hypothesis with hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence.

Which brings us to — Since no hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence has ever been presented by anyone for the existence of any god (any of the 8,000–12,000 of them worshiped on different parts of this planet), when one decides to look at the evidence from a scientific perspective the whole thing falls apart. One, inevitably, arrives at the logical conclusion that religion is not really based on facts or the word of a supernatural being, but is instead man-made bs.

Which is probably why the original creators of those tales thought it might be a good idea to add a footnote or two, like “believe and don't doubt”, or “the lord works in mysterious ways”. What they really mean is, don’t ask too many questions otherwise our story will fall apart.

Now, you are welcome to believe that the universe was created by god a mere 7000 years ago, the sun orbits the earth, some dude called Lazarus kicked the bucket but then arose from the dead, another dude called Samson killed 1000 philistines with a donkey's jawbone, or a 500-year-old grandpa packed 9 million species × 2 on a wooden boat which then inbred among themselves in the biggest incest orgy ever staged to perpetuate life on earth.

Actually, religion (Mesopotamian and Egyptian at least, therefore Judaism and its offshoots) is based on science. The creators of religious beliefs were the first scientists because the stories and characters are based on their observations of nature.

FatherOfJesus:
Science and religion are far from complementary.

This is partially true because there are false and true religion, so if one is looking at things from the perspective of false religions what you just typed will be excellent.
But from the perspective of true faith Science is just following up with the path of true faith!

[quote author=FatherOfJesus post=113116758][/quote]

Just as if you are asking who created energy? Who created force?
You have not understood your subconsciousness and you want to understand God.

I have no grouse with what you believe or not but it just will not make sense when you are trying very hard to make sense and you end up just not making a single iota of sense at all.

If science can control and effect my subconscious man, if science can comprehend life even in the tiniest of cells of course science can comprehend God.

Nothing happen by chance!
You cannot build anything from nothing!

Man know thyself!

Felimax:


Just as if you are asking who created energy? Who created force?
You have not understood your subconsciousness and you want to understand God.

I have no grouse with what you believe or not but it just will not make sense when you are trying very hard to make sense and you end up just not making a single iota of sense at all.

If science can control and effect my subconscious man, if science can comprehend life even in the tiniest of cells of course science can comprehend God.

Nothing happen by chance!
You cannot build anything from nothing!

Man know thyself!

Science as of right now does not claim to know the source of existence.
It is agnostic to such a question, you are free to believe in a creator if you want.
But any positive claim requires a positive proof, and there exists no way to prove creation or the existence of the creator as many theist would agree, therefore it falls outside the domain of science.

You are free to argue for creation from a philosophical standpoint, and many unanswerable mysteries of the universe could be solved with the presumption of a creator, but you run into the problem of which creator?

Could you provide definitive proof for your specific creator in mind or is it just a matter of faith? This is the reason science and religion are opposites, every scientific claim has some proof in reality, but religion requires faith in spite of any evidence.

Felimax:


Just as if you are asking who created energy? Who created force?
You have not understood your subconsciousness and you want to understand God.

energy and matter cannot be created nor destroyed. That's like a basic law in science.
This law means that God doednt exist.
If energy is directly proportional to matter according to theory of relativity and the universe is 100% energy/matter, it means that the universe cannot be created nor destroyed.
So, you can not ask who created the universe everything within. It cannot be created, it's stupid to ask that. Matter/energy cannot never be created

I have no grouse with what you believe or not but it just will not make sense when you are trying very hard to make sense and you end up just not making a single iota of sense at all.

seems like you are talking about yourself here. It doesn't make sense to say everything has to have a creator without the creator also having a creator. It's a fallacious statement

If science can control and effect my subconscious man, if science can comprehend life even in the tiniest of cells of course science can comprehend God.

God doesn't exist until you provide evidence. This is a stupid fallacy of appealing to ignorance.
If science cannot comprehend God, I don't see why you can comprehend. Who are you to know more than science?
You are just a Nigerian person with poor educational background dude

Nothing happen by chance!
You cannot build anything from nothing!

Man know thyself!

by this logic, God cannot exist by chance. He has to be created. He cannot be special pleaded from the law.
He's too orderly according to your description to exist by chance

KnownUnknown:


Actually, religion (Mesopotamian and Egyptian at least, therefore Judaism and its offshoots) is based on science. The creators of religious beliefs were the first scientists because the stories and characters are based on their observations of nature.

I disagree with you sir.

While, the concept of science didn't exist until Galileo Galilee. Let's break it down.
What's science?
Science is a methodology, which includes making an observation, creating hypothesis and then setting up experiments to test such hyputhesis before reaching any conclusions. That's a direct opposite of any religious including Judaism.

Religion is philosophy and philosophy is not science. They don't make rational conclusions from tested experiments, they make conclusions from rationalism/arguments and not empiricims which make religion any not science.
I do not see anything scientific about the Judiast Torah.
If you are arguing that some jews are/wer good scientists then I will agree but the religion in itself has nothing to do with science. In science, your beliefs are useless, you have to dump them before entering the lab.

KnownUnknown:


“Middleast goat herders” is an Eurocentric slur created by less pigmented people who don’t understand things and are quick to disparage others.

I agree thay it's a slur, however you have to agree that the Bible was written by bronze age ideologists who didn't even know the the sun is a star. I can't simply take them seriously.

That’s how they reduced various spiritual traditions on the African continent to “plaything” or “joujou”. Meanwhile they assume some european man in the middle of Rome is the earthly representative of a “Middle East” deity. Their arrogance is only surpassed by their willful
ignorance. The basic tenet of the Middle Eastern god they appropriated is “thou shalt not make images of the deity”, but they paint said deity in their own melanin deficient image.

Well, they are not willfully ignorant. They are smarter than everyone. They beat African religion wisely.

Nay, the audience were goat herders, farmers, craftsmen, and the ever gullible housewife but the authors were not “Middle East got herders”.

dude, they were goat headers. Moses, the supposed writer of the book of Torah was a herder. It was clearly stated in the book.
David was a herder. A good number of those who wrote the old testament were primitive Agriculturalists.
Peter and Matthew a fishermen etc

None of them had any evidence for their claims, and most of their claims contradict other religious texts.

They were bronze age herders and Agriculturalists. They weren't even capable of formulating standard Agricultural practices

FatherOfJesus:
energy and matter cannot be created nor destroyed. That's like a basic law in science.
This law means that God doednt exist.
If energy is directly proportional to matter according to theory of relativity and the universe is 100% energy/matter, it means that the universe cannot be created nor destroyed.
So, you can not ask who created the universe everything within. It cannot be created, it's stupid to ask that. Matter/energy cannot never be created

seems like you are talking about yourself here. It doesn't make sense to say everything has to have a creator without the creator also having a creator. It's a fallacious statement

God doesn't exist until you provide evidence. This is a stupid fallacy of appealing to ignorance.
If science cannot comprehend God, I don't see why you can comprehend. Who are you to know more than science?
You are just a Nigerian person with poor educational background dude

by this logic, God cannot exist by chance. He has to be created. He cannot be special pleaded from the law.
He's too orderly according to your description to exist by chance

Calm down!
*"Energy and matter cannot be created nor be destroyed"

* I cannot ask who created the universe, it is stupid to ask.

From your above submission sir, you are very correct!




Sometimes, I cannot help but appreciate God who has so placed me on this side of the divide.

IMAliyu:


Science as of right now does not claim to know the source of existence.
It is agnostic to such a question, you are free to believe in a creator if you want.
But any positive claim requires a positive proof, and there exists no way to prove creation or the existence of the creator as many theist would agree, therefore it falls outside the domain of science.

You are free to argue for creation from a philosophical standpoint, and many unanswerable mysteries of the universe could be solved with the presumption of a creator, but you run into the problem of which creator?

Could you provide definitive proof for your specific creator in mind or is it just a matter of faith? This is the reason science and religion are opposites, every scientific claim has some proof in reality, but religion requires faith in spite of any evidence.

I will give you an absolute definite answer if you can provide me a definite and precise answer to when you will expire from this world. I am not against science, not at all but science should keep it's distance as to what I believe.

Some of the greatest inventions and discoveries of man where from people who so much believe in God.

God has nothing to prove of His existence. It makes so much sense when people don't believe in God. For me I find this phenomenal very interesting.

Felimax:



Calm down!
*"Energy and matter cannot be created nor be destroyed"

* I cannot ask who created the universe, it is stupid to ask.

From your above submission sir, you are very correct!




Sometimes, I cannot help but appreciate God who has so placed me on this side of the divide.

You cannot appreciate something that doesn't exist Felimax.

This concept is not had to grasp, you just have to calm your nerves, remove whatever you have told and then give yourslef 3years to analyze the world. Observe it carefully, read science alot, follow scientific pages and as yourself rational questions and seek answers.

You won't see God in anything you do. It's impossible for a creature described by Christians to exist.

FatherOfJesus:
what the Bible says is inconsequential to science. It's just another out of many religious text.

As long as the Bible is religiously embraced and it commented about science, it is most relevant and you can not kick it out because your topic is about religion and science.

FatherOfJesus:

this is baseless argument that will fall apart when I start framing your brain logically on this thread

Fire away and see if you would not be the one who would run aground.

FatherOfJesus:
You cannot appreciate something that doesn't exist Felimax.

This concept is not had to grasp, you just have to calm your nerves, remove whatever you have told and then give yourslef 3years to analyze the world. Observe it carefully, read science alot, follow scientific pages and as yourself rational questions and seek answers.

You won't see God in anything you do. It's impossible for a creature described by Christians to exist.

I warn you again, stay out of Tramadol. It is not for kids.

FatherOfJesus:
it means that thr supernatural level of int9has to be also too intelligent to have not been crafted based on your logic.

Religion and science are things HERE ON EARTH. Therefore, we are talking about these things on earth, thus, you have CHANGED POST, when you space travel into the Supernatural.

So you see, you have fallen already!

IMAliyu:


Science as of right now does not claim to know the source of existence.

Walahi talahi i love this statement!

This is how SCIENCE don't know some 4,500 years ago that God hangs the earth upon nothing whereas the Bible knew all along back then:

 He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing! Job 26:7

This is how SCIENCE don't know when the Bible talked about the water circle thousands of years ago!


He draws up the drops of water; They condense into rain from his mist; Then the clouds pour it down; They shower down upon mankind Job 36:27-28

This is how SCIENCE don't know when God said the earth is Spherical whereas scientists back then thought the earth is flat!

There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze, And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22

This is how SCIENCE don't know when God forbids men from touching excrement or dead bodies but back then scientists used excrement to make ointment for curing wounds!

A peg should be part of your equipment. When you squat outside, you should dig a hole with it and then cover your excrement! Deuteronomy 23:13

Now there were men who had become unclean by touching a dead body, Numbers 9:6

This is how SCIENCE don't know why God created flying creatures with electric resistance legs but after thousands of years they discovered electricity!

This is how SCIENCE don't know how God made a Android TV with internet for his prophet to see what's happening inside the Jerusalem temple right in his own house! Ezekiel 8:13-16

SCIENCE don't know any of these until thousands of years later!

Dtruthspeaker:


Religion and science are things HERE ON EARTH. Therefore, we are talking about these things on earth, this, you have CHANGED POST, when you space travel into the Supernatural.

So you see, you have fallen already!

which supernatural? The realm of the flying spaghetti monster?

Felimax:


I warn you again, stay out of Tramadol. It is not for kids.

Well, you do not have to insult someone who is beating you in a debate because you have started failing to comprehend the discussion..

I'm sure you were not taught that in your church but I understand how cognitive dissonance works.

Dtruthspeaker:


As long as the Bible is religiously embraced and it commented about science, it is most relevant and you can not kick it out because your topic is about religion and science.

The Bible is as relevant as the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster. No difference



Fire away and see if you would not be the one who would run aground. [/quote]how, the Flying spaghetti monster is with me.
He's backing me in this

FatherOfJesus:
which supernatural? The realm of the flying spaghetti monster?

Obviously your fall has made you mad.

Dtruthspeaker:


Obviously your fall has made you mad.

Lol," insult is an escape route for those who are defeated mentally in a debate"

Quote by Flying spaghetti monster

FatherOfJesus:
Lol," insult is an escape route for those who are defeated mentally in a debate"

Quote by Flying spaghetti monster

There was no insult only observation of irregularity and unreasonabllity of your response, which proves an inability to counter.

So, There is no thing further to be said.

FatherOfJesus:
The Bible is as relevant as the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster. No difference

Right now you were about the gospel of science but I see, when I respond, you go mad!