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How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 3:12am On Jul 16, 2011
I'd like you all to give your own thoughts on how the populations of these three ethnic groups came to be so large. grin But here's my own theory:


Hausa:
The Hausas have had strong united traditions. The Hausas were originally a trading people in the Sudanic region of Africa and might have possibly started out with a rather small population. As their trading cities grew in influence, they became centres of migration for traders and merchants all across the Sahel. These traders might have had different backgrounds but all spoke Hausa as a trade language, making "Hausa" more of a linguistic group than an ethnic group. By the time Islam arrived in the Sahel, the Hausa elite and then the commoners converted to the religion and assumed a united "Hausa" identity since after all, they lived in the same place for hundreds of years, spoke Hausa and worshipped Allah. As the trading cities expanded, they attracted more and more people from al across Sudanic Africa and soon they too experienced the cultural diffusion and mixed into the Hausa population.

Igbo:
The Igbo as we all know were never united into one kingdom. They might have xisted in many small independent city-states just like the Germanic kingdoms of the Holy Roman Empire. Trade was also very important in Igbo culture and might have helped increase the Igbo population also. As Igbo-traders expanded outward and settled in various other cities, their influence spread and soon Igbo might have also been adopted as a second language by the peoples and as the Igbo population grew, it might have become the primary language of these poeoples. I m also hypothesizing that the yam has played a large role in the population growth of the Igbos. Yam, was easy to grow and required little land as compared to crops such as sorghum, bailey and etc which grew in the North. This reduced the need of land to feed large populations and effectively dictated the size of modern day Igboland. Yam could not be grown succesfully in the Northern plateu of the country thus making Igboland a "tropical" land.

Yoruba:
The Yorubas, like their Hausa counterparts, also had strong communal traditions. Much of Yorubaland has been united twice, first under the Yoruba kings of Ife and Oyo and twice under the Binis. The Yorubas had minor trading cities but trade did not play as much importance in its culture as it did to the other two. With the empire secure, and all Yoruba speakers united under one ruler, the people were free to multiply and epand, and with the arrival of Islam, polygamy spread much further allowing for a large population boom.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 3:18am On Jul 16, 2011
Still wondering why Yorubas in Benin are not added to Yorubas in Nigeria's population. We're almost alike.

This is a Yoruba from Benin, no difference from ones in Nigeria; same dance steps too. Well a lil accent in the Yoruba there.

Some say Yorubas in Benin are the authentic Yorubas

Yoruba woman from Benin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPY2IO-uQ2o?version=3&hl=en_US[/flash]
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 3:22am On Jul 16, 2011
^^^
The same reason why Efiks are not counted as Ibibios.
Im guessing that there is enough distinction between you and they to qualify them as a separate gorup altogether. If it were that way then all of Africa's Hausas would have been counted into Nigeria.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 3:30am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

^^^
The same reason why Efiks are not counted as Ibibios.
Im guessing that there is enough distinction between you and they to qualify them as a separate gorup altogether. If it were that way then all of Africa's Hausas would have been counted into Nigeria.

There's no distinction other than geographical borders. Same religion, culture etc.

My Efik friend would slap you silly if he/she heard you trying to group him/her with Ibibios.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Jenifa1: 4:15am On Jul 16, 2011
some say cotonou is basically a yoruba city. the dialect is different I agree
What about Egun people from badagry. some say they're not yoruba. how true is that?


I used to love this song as a youngster. It's beninois

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqzBFXa2js0[/flash]
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 4:19am On Jul 16, 2011
Jenifa_:

some say cotonou is basically a yoruba city. the dialect is different I agree
What about Egun people from badagry. some say they're not yoruba. how true is that?


I used to love this song as a youngster. It's beninois

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqzBFXa2js0[/flash]

That was not from Nigeria? I thought the dude was Yoruba.

Love love that song. Makes me cry sometimes kiss
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 4:24am On Jul 16, 2011
Ileke-IdI:

There's no distinction other than geographical borders. Same religion, culture etc.

My Efik friend would slap you silly if he/she heard you trying to group him/her with Ibibios.

Its just a matter of circumstance. Benin Yorubas learn French, are mostly Catholic/Christian and travel abroad to live in France while Nigerian Yorubas learn English, are Muslim/Christian and travel to the UK. In this situation the white man has created an unnecesary division within your group. This is also the case for Huasas in Niger Republic.

And as for your Efik friend, I dont see many differences between the Ibibios and Efiks, they both speak a variant of Ibibio, practice Ekpe, and what not. If the two groups were to unite, theyd be the 4th largest ethnicity in Nigeria, surpassing Ijaw. And why dont you want to reveal the gender of your friend? grin
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 4:26am On Jul 16, 2011
I wish i could understand what was being said. To me, Yoruba sounds like "Ologbogboshimi mi neo ko" with heavy accent. grin grin

Jenifa_:

some say cotonou is basically a yoruba city. the dialect is different I agree
What about Egun people from badagry. some say they're not yoruba. how true is that?


I used to love this song as a youngster. It's beninois

[flash=400,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqzBFXa2js0[/flash]
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 4:29am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

Its just a matter of circumstance. Benin Yorubas learn French, are mostly Catholic/Christian and travel abroad to live in France while Nigerian Yorubas learn English, are Muslim/Christian and travel to the UK. In this situation the white man has created an unnecesary division within your group. This is also the case for Huasas in Niger Republic.

And as for your Efik friend, I dont see many differences between the Ibibios and Efiks, they both speak a variant of Ibibio, practice Ekpe, and what not. If the two groups were to unite, theyd be the 4th largest ethnicity in Nigeria, surpassing Ijaw. And why dont you want to reveal the gender of your friend? grin


In my opinion, that is not division enough. I met a guy, he spoke french and Yoruba smoothly. It took my more than 8 months to find out that he's Benin. Shocker! Same food, culture, practice etc. Yorubas in Benin and Togo also practice Islam.

He/she says that most Nigerians that can't tell the difference between Efik/Ibibios are ignorant. Said Ibibios are shorter and more devious lmao.


odumchi:

I wish i could understand what was being said. To me, Yoruba sounds like "Ologbogboshimi mi neo ko" with heavy accent. grin grin


Whaat does that mean?
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Jenifa1: 4:39am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

I wish i could understand what was being said. To me, Yoruba sounds like "Ologbogboshimi mi neo ko" with heavy accent.  grin grin


it's french, some beninois language, yoruba (1:25-1:45) and the rest is english.
the father is giving her daughter away in marriage and will miss his baby girl.

what is ologbogboshimi ni neo ko?
I hope it's not a curse  tongue
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Ystranger: 4:40am On Jul 16, 2011
Jenifa_:

it's french, some beninois language, yoruba (1:25-1:45) and the rest is english.
the father is giving her daughter away in marriage and will miss his baby girl.

what is ologbogboshimi ni neo ko?
I hope it's not a curse  tongue



You did not live in Lagos, did you?


Anyway, I wont go there today.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 4:43am On Jul 16, 2011
Ileke-IdI:

In my opinion, that is not division enough. I met a guy, he spoke french and Yoruba smoothly. It took my more than 8 months to find out that he's Benin. Shocker! Same food, culture, practice etc. Yorubas in Benin and Togo also practice Islam.

He/she says that most Nigerians that can't tell the difference between Efik/Ibibios are ignorant. Said Ibibios are shorter and more devious lmao.


Whaat does that mean?

You cant blame me. I understand a little of both languages and i can barely tell them apart at most times. The second part is just how Yoruba sounds to me. Most of the time when I hear people speak Yoruba, it all sounds the same to me, but I have noticed a heavy accent that is indescribable.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 4:44am On Jul 16, 2011
One benin girl giving Yoruba proverb. She is soooooooooooooooo goood, wdh!!


Why are Benin Yoruba muslims singing about Orisa?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PztTnOtN5Q0?version=3&hl=en_US[/flash]



odumchi:

You cant blame me. I understand a little of both languages and i can barely tell them apart at most times. The second part is just how Yoruba sounds to me. Most of the time when I hear people speak Yoruba, it all sounds the same to me, but I have noticed a heavy accent that is indescribable.

Not all Yoruba speakers speak like. Ekiti people speak different from Lagosians. i.e We say Olorun, pure lagosians would say olohun. And the dialects are different.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 4:49am On Jul 16, 2011
Jenifa_:

it's french, some beninois language, yoruba (1:25-1:45) and the rest is english.
the father is giving her daughter away in marriage and will miss his baby girl.

what is ologbogboshimi ni neo ko?
I hope it's not a curse  tongue



Lol no it is not a curse. Infact its just how i hear Yoruba. Everyime i hear a Yoruba speaker they always over emphasize dipthongs such as "gbo" and sounds like "lo". To me Yoruba is just a big roller coaster ride, the accent goes up in pitch and then down then up again. undecided

But thanks for the translation.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 4:50am On Jul 16, 2011
hehe! grin
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Jenifa1: 4:54am On Jul 16, 2011
Ileke-IdI:

One benin girl giving Yoruba proverb. She is soooooooooooooooo goood, wdh!!


Why are Benin Yoruba muslims singing about Orisa?

Not all Yoruba speakers speak like. Ekiti people speak different from Lagosians. i.e We say Olorun, pure lagosians would say olohun. And the dialects are different.

the girl is impressive
wow.

yoruba muslims are known to be quite syncretic. that's why SOME hausas don't consider them to be pure muslims.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Ystranger: 4:56am On Jul 16, 2011
Jenifa_:

the girl is impressive
wow.

yoruba muslims are known to be quite syncretic. t[b]hat's why the hausas don't consider them to be pure muslims. [/b]





With all due respect, I dont like when people make things up like this

Especially people who have never been to Nigeria. This is crap.

Please stop. Please! really annoying.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Jenifa1: 4:59am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

Lol no it is not a curse. Infact its just how i hear Yoruba. Everyime i hear a Yoruba speaker they always over emphasize dipthongs such as "gbo" and sounds like "lo". To me Youba is just a big roler coaster ride, the accent goes up in pitch and then down then up again. undecided

But thanks for the translation.


maybe  this is partially why some yorubas spell igbo as ibo. because when you guys say it, it sounds like you are saying ibo.
the pronunciation doesn't correlate with the spelling.

yeah yoruba language is a lot about pitch. I think it's pretty cool.
lagosian/city yoruba accent isn't that strong though.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Ystranger: 5:04am On Jul 16, 2011
Jenifa_:


maybe  this is partially why some yorubas spell igbo as ibo. because when you guys say it, it sounds like you are saying ibo.
the pronunciation doesn't correlate with the spelling.

yeah yoruba language is a lot about pitch. I think it's pretty cool.
lagosian/city yoruba accent isn't that strong though.


Lets just say, this is wrong.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 5:06am On Jul 16, 2011
But there are words in Yoruba such as "O[b]gb[/b]omosho" and "[b]gb[/b]enga" that are pronounced the same way as I[b]gb[/b]o, so why is it so hard? But i think thats a discussion for another day.

And yes about Lagos, living in a place like that will not do anyones native language any good. It seems that Pidgin has offically taken over.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 5:08am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

But there are words in Yoruba such as "O[b]gb[/b]omosho" and "[b]gb[/b]enga" that are pronounced the same way as I[b]gb[/b]o, so why is it so hard? But i think thats a discussion for another day.

And yes about Lagos, living in a place like that will not do anyones native language any good. It seems that Pidgin has offically taken over.

Not pronounced the say way. If we pronounce the GB in Igbo, it would mean weed, not Igbo as a group of people. We say Igbo as Ibo, without the GB.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Ystranger: 5:08am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

But there are words in Yoruba such as "O[b]gb[/b]omosho" and "gb[/b]enga" that are pronounced the same way as I[b]gb[/b]o, so why is it so hard? But i think thats a discussion for another day.

And yes about Lagos, living in a place like that will not do anyones native language any good.[b] It seems that Pidgin has offically taken over
.

really, which part are you talking about?

University campuses or mainland or island or the outskirts? Pidgin taking over Lagos?
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Ystranger: 5:10am On Jul 16, 2011
Ileke-IdI:

Not pronounced the say way. If we pronounce the GB in Igbo, it would mean weed, not Igbo as a group of people. We say Igbo as Ibo, without the GB.

wrong!

Gb is the same.

The change in 'amin' is on the I, not on the GB

GB doesnt change. It is one alphabet in Yoruba language.

Keep quiet when you are not sure.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 5:16am On Jul 16, 2011
Ystranger:

really, which part are you talking about?

University campuses or mainland or island or the outskirts? Pidgin taking over Lagos?

Leave Vicotria Island and Ikeja and walk around the masses of proletariats all over Lagos city and listen to them speak.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by BABE3: 5:17am On Jul 16, 2011
@ Ileke--"Re Mi" and "Mi Do" don't sound the same.  grin

@OP: Good to know.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 5:18am On Jul 16, 2011
BABE!:

@ Ileke--"Re Mi" and "Mi Do" don't sound the same. grin

@OP: Good to know.

LOL, youre the first person to acknowledge what Ive done, maybe now I wont feel as if I've wasted my time. grin
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 5:20am On Jul 16, 2011
BABE!:

@ Ileke--"Re Mi" and "Mi Do" don't sound the same.  grin

@OP: Good to know.

LOl, you're right. If Igbos want Yorubas to pronounce the GB when concerning them, they'll have sth else to complain about.

Igbo, gbogbo, gbe, etc. gb does not sound like b
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Ystranger: 5:21am On Jul 16, 2011
BABE!:

@ Ileke--"Re Mi" and "Mi Do" don't sound the same.  grin

@OP: Good to know.

Dont mind her jo.

I was gonna break it down if she had responded with some crappp like she always does

Imagine: "We call Igbo, Ibo"

You and who? EVery Yoruba I know call them Igbo grin



Anyway, Akoraye, kini so for tonight? Doing orgo or partying?
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by BABE3: 5:26am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

LOL, youre the first person to acknowledge what Ive done, maybe now I wont feel as if I've wasted my time. grin

lol---you've not wasted your time. smiley

Ileke-IdI:

If Igbos want Yorubas to pronounce the GB when concerning them, they'll have sth else to complain about.

lol--I can't pronounce "Igbo" as "Igbo" fam. It just sounds weird. Igbos should manage our pronunciation( "Ibo"wink like that abeg. The highest I can do spell it correctly.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by aljharem3: 5:28am On Jul 16, 2011
odumchi:

LOL, youre the first person to acknowledge what Ive done, maybe now I wont feel as if I've wasted my time. grin

good write up. and thanks for the education. wink
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 5:28am On Jul 16, 2011
BABE!:

lol---you've not wasted your time.  smiley

lol--I can't pronounce "Igbo" as "Igbo" fam. It just sounds weird. Igbos should manage our pronunciation( "Ibo"wink like that abeg. The highest I can do spell it correctly.

Exactly. There's no way to pronounce i[b]gb[/b]o while referring to Igbos period. The pronounciation is I-bo.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by BABE3: 5:30am On Jul 16, 2011
Ystranger:

Dont mind her jo.

I was gonna break it down if she had responded with some crappp like she always does

Imagine: "We call Igbo, Ibo"

You and who? EVery Yoruba I know call  them Igbo grin

Anyway, Akoraye, kini so for tonight? Doing orgo or partying?

So you actually pronounce Igbo as I[b]GB[/b]O? Na lie. Is a lie. grin Even them sef (the igbo people) pronounce it as I[b]b[/b]o.

I dey o. Party? No party for me tonight. I just chilled at a bar with a couple of buddies.

You mean Orgo asin O. Chemistry?

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