coogar:

4-1-3-2 has wingers in the "3". germany used 4-2-3-1 at the world cup, using muller and podolski as wingers with ozil in the centre.

i am saying. . .

----------de gea----------

raf-----rio---vidic----evra

---------carrick------------

valencia----sneijder---young/nani

-----chicharito-----rooney------

Coogar, we cant play this formation (its possible at OT) . . . its too open and will expose our back four especially away from home.
It is similar to a 4-4-2 anyway with Carrick holding and Sneijder in the hole behind the strikers.
I prefer the 4-2-3-1 with wingers in the "3"

coogar:

4-1-3-2 has wingers in the "3". germany used 4-2-3-1 at the world cup, using muller and podolski as wingers with ozil in the centre.

i am saying. . .

----------de gea----------

raf-----rio---vidic----evra

---------carrick------------

valencia----sneijder---young/nani

-----chicharito-----rooney------

You cant use this formation vs any decent team without getting mauled.

Only Carrick to mark?

What Coogar has posted is where the players would be when they're attacking. When defending Sneijder will drop deeper to partner Carrick. If 37 y/o Giggs can play the role, Sneijder can!

ritchboy:

What Coogar has posted is where the players would be when they're attacking. When defending Sneijder will drop deeper to partner Carrick. If 37 y/o Giggs can play the role, Sneijder can!

i can see he played it with devastating consequences.
Sneidjer is now a holding midfielder?is that what 40 million pounds will get you?

Morrison visits the police again.
wetin dey worry this boy sef?
can't they arrange to bring him to TB Joshua?

Myself2:

Mumu
Why are you stu-stu-stuter-stuterring?
Must you always flaunt your poor sense of records and time.You want to tell me you've forgotten it's not about this time I get drunk with your father??,I'll just remind you once again that we(your father and I) only get drunk after double-teaming yo' momma

Waste of se.men strikes again. . .
At least I have a father. . .yours is too ashamed to be identified with a sorry excuse of a cretin. . .
I seriously doubt you can get your tool up judging from how loud you are talking about it.So let's not get into that because you're all talk.

You made a bogus claim about city being stronger.Defend that lousy statement if you can instead of talking smack all the time.Then we might consider relating to you like the normal being you crave so desperately to be.
Until then,village i.diot/drunk dull.ard/product of faulty contraception,
Keep making a public show of your lack of decorum. . .

. :d

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Obertan is looking a lot better than last season. I hope he can at least carry some of this into d season proper.

ritchboy:

What Coogar has posted is where the players would be when they're attacking. When defending Sneijder will drop deeper to partner Carrick. If 37 y/o Giggs can play the role, Sneijder can!

I know that is the attacking overview but its too risky.
Sneijder is not particularly defensive minded in any way . . . he's not the kind of player that will be happy to drop off deep behind the ball at all times.

If they all drop off when defending . . . it only confirms what I've said earlier that its similar to the 4-4-2 formation anyways with Carrick the Dm and Sneijder the AM.

montelik:


Obertan is looking a lot better than last season. I hope he can at least carry some of this into d season proper.

He's done well but I wont read too much into these pre-season games.
It's a different ball game entirely when the season starts.
He strikes me as a player that needs regular games to build his confidence . . .the question is will he get those games? Very unlikely.

chamotex:

Coogar, we cant play this formation (its possible at OT) . . . its too open and will expose our back four especially away from home.
It is similar to a 4-4-2 anyway with Carrick holding and Sneijder in the hole behind the strikers.
I prefer the 4-2-3-1 with wingers in the "3"

the problem with 4-2-3-1 is only one of our strikers would play which means chicharito, berbatov, owen, macheda and diouf would sit on the bench. in order to accommodate 2 strikers, the formation has to be 4-1-3-2(when attacking) or 4-3-1-2 when(defending) with the 2 wingers tracking back to quickly make up 3 players. there's fluidity in the formation - these are professional players.

dayokanu:

You cant use this formation vs any decent team without getting mauled.

Only Carrick to mark?

carrick isn't the only one marking. . . .valencia and ashley young would quickly track back. . .

chamotex:

I know that is the attacking overview but its too risky.
Sneijder is not particularly defensive minded in any way . . . he's not the kind of player that will be happy to drop off deep behind the ball at all times.

If they all drop off when defending . . . it only confirms what I've said earlier that its similar to the 4-4-2 formation anyways with Carrick the Dm and Sneijder the AM.

if sneijder won't defend, then the onus lies on rooney to expend his energy like he loves to do. the formation fergie played against the seattle sounders would be our primary formation this season. 2 strikers with someone in the hole. that someone will be sneijder or whoever fergie buys before the window slams shut.

^^^We've got like 7/8 strikers anyway . . . . way too much. Last night we play 4 of them (now add Chachrito, Welbeck and Berbatov)
So even if we play with 3 forwards, they cant all get games.

chamotex:

^^^We've got like 7/8 strikers anyway . . . . way too much. Last night we play 4 of them (now add Chachrito, Welbeck and Berbatov)
So even if we play with 3 forwards, they cant all get games.

but having 2 slots for them in the starting team is better than just one position. 4-2-3-1 is too defensive. the striker is often starved with no services at all. in my opinion, 4-4-2 is the best but these days, managers have started positioning players between the lines and that can hurt real bad. that was where messi kept positioning himself and rio/vidic were clueless. they didn't know whether to follow him too deep or just stand and watch until he comes attacking.

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/manchester-united-forget-wesley-sneijder-we-need-to-replace-hargreaves

Very interesting article, well worth d read. D funniest part was

If we fail to sign a dynamic midfielder in this window, then we’ll be stuck with Fletcher hoofing into the away end, Carrick having a nervous breakdown anytime he’s faced with a Spaniard and Anderson sulking around the centre circle.

utd performed wonderfully well in their match agains seattlÈ sander, hope they keep the fire burnin!

coogar:

but having 2 slots for them in the starting team is better than just one position. 4-2-3-1 is too defensive. the striker is often starved with no services at all. in my opinion, 4-4-2 is the best but these days, managers have started positioning players between the lines and that can hurt real bad. that was where messi kept positioning himself and rio/vidic were clueless. they didn't know whether to follow him too deep or just stand and watch until he comes attacking.

4-1-3-2 is similar to the 4-4-2 formation.
The debate has always been how effective will Sneijder be in that formation.

chamotex:

4-1-3-2 is similar to the 4-4-2 formation.
The debate has always been how effective will Sneijder be in that formation.

sneijder started his career in that position for ajax and real madrid. he will cope there very well.

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chamotex:

^^^We've got like 7/8 strikers anyway . . . . way too much. Last night we play 4 of them (now add Chachrito, Welbeck and Berbatov)
So even if we play with 3 forwards, they cant all get games.

Diouf and Macheda are going on loan.
Diouf is going to Blackpool and Macheda is being hawked around at present.

i think 4-4-2 is slightly outdated and can easily be exploited.

Most teams just use 4-2-3-1. The Lone striker needs to be very mobile and drop deep into midfield while the 2 wing forward are pseudo striker who can score (Germany-Muller/Podolski, Barca- Pedro/Villa,, Bayern Robben Ribery Muller.) Valencia isnt that much of a goal threat.

Also Carrick cant do the marking alone and the middle would be exploited if only Carrick is there. Question marks about Youngs marking. Moreover carrick is not a Makelele styled marker.

Dont let Busquet deceive you because barcelona system alone starves the opposition of the ball and their forwards harras you from the top.

Your formation can work vs many lower side who would barely attack your middle, but you cant play Madrid(Alonso-Khedira ozil), barca(Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta), bayern(Gustavo, Schweisteiger Muller), etc with that Ferguson wont even dare

dayokanu:

i think 4-4-2 is slightly outdated and can easily be exploited.

by the same token, it's an attacking formation and if the strikers have a good day, the scores would be 7-5.

Most teams just use 4-2-3-1. The Lone striker needs to be very mobile and drop deep  into midfield while the 2 wing forward are pseudo striker who can score (Germany-Muller/Podolski, Barca- Pedro/Villa,, Bayern Robben Ribery Muller.) Valencia isnt that much of a goal threat.

too negative. almost all the world cup teams used it and the mundial became boring. as far as innovation is concerned, only chile played football the way it's meant to be and spain's tiki-taka also looked good. other teams were just rubbish

Also Carrick cant do the marking alone and the middle would be exploited if only Carrick is there. Question marks about Youngs marking. Moreover carrick is not a Makelele styled marker.

carrick does not mark - he intercepts. one of the best in the art of doing a defensive midfielder job without crunching tackles.

Dont let Busquet deceive you because barcelona system alone starves the opposition of the ball and their forwards harras you from the top.

but busquets plays the role for spain. the role is no longer makelele-esque or gattuso-esque. it's all about interception and reading the game well to curb danger.

Your formation can work vs many lower side who would barely attack your middle, but you cant play Madrid(Alonso-Khedira ozil), barca(Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta), bayern(Gustavo, Schweisteiger Muller),  etc with that Ferguson wont even dare

dayo, this formation is fluid. under attack, valencia and young quickly levels up with carrick and put a 3-man defensive shield in front of the back four.
it's very effective as it's quite torturous for opposing full backs.

mbulela:

Diouf and Macheda are going on loan.
Diouf is going to Blackpool and Macheda is being hawked around at present.

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Lmao ^^ That guy na ediot!

Saw this on the net.

TRIVIA TEASER: Ends with an 'A'

"New keeper David de Gea will become the 10th player to represent United whose name ends with an 'A'.

Judging by our research, we believe there are NINE others who have played for the Reds in competitive games - and all of them during Sir Alex Ferguson's reign.

We're not counting Brazilian twins Rafael and Fabio who could be included if using their da Silva names as well."

Off the top of my head right now

1. Djemba-Djemba
2. Evra
3.Valencia
4.O'Shea
5.Macheda

4 more . . .

louis saha
eric cantona

Tshabalala?

coogar:

louis saha
eric cantona

Paul Rachubka

ritchboy:

Tshabalala?

Quality player

floribet n'galula

ritchboy:

Tshabalala?

tshabalala? why not honda-alla.

coogar:

floribet n'galula

Oh yea the young Belgian (then)
Did he played in any competitive game tho?

^^ No he didn't.

Just saw some glimpses of the Match agains the Seattle Sounders, I must admit i was really impressed with the improvements in Obertan's overall gameplay. I hope the dude does not have a relapse when the season starts proper. BTW Rooney is becoming a monster playing in deeper roles!