Quran/Muslims are always claiming the bible is fake, it is this it is that. But, history had it that mohammad studied the books of the prophets (which are now compiled to form the bible).
And, God says in the bible that he wont change his words, that he values his word more than anything.
According to the word of God: Jesus is the truth, the way and life, nobody goes to the father except thru him" Why are muslims cliaming this to be wrong ?
Can God be wrong ?
Jesus is not even a prophet, he was their when God was creating man (See scripture where he made another eyes for one blind guy and claimed he was their when this guy was being made). Why are they calling him a prophet ? He is a supreme being not a man.

Stop ur madness, Jesus is not mohamaad.

Thank you.

kindly repost your rant to the religious section, cheerz mate!

claremont:

kindly repost your rant to the religious section, cheerz mate!

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@islamrule; « on: Yesterday at 01:51:33 PM »
[Quote]Quran/Muslims are always claiming the bible is fake, it is this it is that. But, history had it that mohammad studied the books of the prophets (which are now compiled to form the bible).[/Quote]I hope the 'history' remembers that he was an illiterate. he [as] could not even sign his own name or identify it if he was looking at it.


[Quote]And, God says in the bible that he wont change his words, that he values his word more than anything.[/QUote]He didn't say man can't change it. or He will not allow man to change it [man changing it is a form of corruption]. there are many ways of corrupting a book. The Bibles are form of a book. and we shall see a verse that says the Bibles are corrupt books.


[Quote]According to the word of God: Jesus is the truth, the way and life, nobody goes to the father except thru him" Why are muslims cliaming this to be wrong ?[/Quote]Is Jesus son of God? Impossible because his mother would have to be the wife of God. Is Mary the wife of God?


[Quote]Can God be wrong ?[/Quote]but man can be wrong and it is man that wrote the bibles. there is no 2 bibles that are exactly alike, each is changing from the former even when it is printed by the same company, a mere generation later. this can't qualify for word of God when it is never constant.


[Quote]Jesus is not even a prophet, he was their when God was creating man (See scripture where he made another eyes for one blind guy and claimed he was their when this guy was being made). Why are they calling him a prophet ? He is a supreme being not a man.[/Quote]Imagine how many people were made when Jesus was here on earth. Was Jesus really there when men and women of that time were being made? How about when the christians said he died and was fighting death in the pit of hell? were men and women being made in hell too or Jesus took a time out from his duel with death to stand around so see men and women being made? What was Jesus doing but standing around? Was he supervising the Maker, and what was he doing when the Maker was making him?


[Quote]Stop your madness, Jesus is not mohamaad.[/Quote]There is no madness here, only reality.


[Quote]Thank you[/Quote]No. Thank you for presenting this opportunity. More from you please. Just like this. Perchance, your heart might be brought alive to true guidance. The spelling is Muhammad [as].

Yes, Quran is d true words of Allah/God.
No one comes to God except tru Jesus was applicable during jesus time.
If i may ask, is there anyone that can get to God during Moses time except tru Moses?

Thanks for wanting to know if truly Al qur'anu L kareem is truly God's word.
The answer is YES, it is God's word, from the begining of the First Chapter to end of the last chapter. Les't go to the 4th chapter of the Qur'anu L kareem[b]
"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction"[/b]. Q.4 Vrs. 82 ( Suuratu Nnisaai - Ayat 82)

you must watch the below lectures in English :

Is Quran Word of God?- by Sayyed Ammar Nakshawani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Boe7QHG6jA


The Quran or The Bible Which is God's Word?- by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZ6_nGQmT4&feature=related


DEBATE:
"The Quran or Bible,Which is God's Word"- Sheikh Ahmad Deedat Vs Evangelist Annis Shoroush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLXcKXR5miI&feature=related

Yes, d Quran is d words of Almighty God for so many reasons but d reasons are best appreciated by those who seek true knowledge with open mind. Now to d reasons
1. It has no version. No KJV or any other version nor has it ever been revised for over 1430 years now.
No romans were given a chapter nor any king given right to have his own version
2 It encompasses all you will ever need to know from Adam through to Prophet Muhammad
The Quran dedicated a whole chapter to Maryam (Jesus Mother). You will get more information about Jesus and Maryam than in any other Book
It has discover more scientific revelations that took modern science over 1400 years to discover
Its revellations took about 40yrs to complete and it addresses all human endeavors in d past, present and in d future. This is why islam is a complete way of life to every muslim and not just a religion.
The reality is that no true muslim who is well grounded in his religion will ever leave Islam regardless of challenges and trials because he can fight any worldly battle with his quran.Those with shallow knowledge of Islam are easy to misled. As it is often said that muslim are bad marketers though we have a. Good product while christians are good marketers though their product is not good enough. It's very rear to see a muslim preaching about his or her religion in a bus.Modern Christianity is seen and run like a business that is why every church will like to have their presence on T.V and Radio. I do not see anything wrong with it so long as it is in line with christian doctrine.
No one is saying that d bible is completely fake but a discerning mind will know that it has been altered
by various authors.

I cannot understand why the romans should have a chapter in a true and undiluted book of God ( as hostile as they were  to Jesus)They made Rome and Vertican the Centre of christianity. As we speak,European Countries-- those who brought christianity to Africa and Nigeria now have the lowest population of christians in history.
Lately,except for Reinhard Bonke and a few others, it is Nigerian pastors(Anwunzia,Anselm etc) that are now exporting christianity back to Europe and America! The same cannot b said of muslim world.
Want to pause here to break my fast will continue later

Answer: The question of which
(if any) religious text is the true
word of God is of utmost
importance. To avoid circular
reasoning, the first question we
must ask is: how would we
know if God communicated in
the first place? Well, God would
have to communicate in a
manner that people could
understand, but that also means
that people could make up their
own messages and simply claim
that they came from God. So, it
seems reasonable to think that if
God wanted to authenticate His
communication He would have to
verify it in a manner that could
not be duplicated by mere
humans - in other words, by
miracles. This narrows the field
considerably.
Beyond the evidence for the
Bible's correctness (manuscript
evidence) and its historicity
(archeological evidence), the
most important evidence is that
of its inspiration. The real
determination of the Bible's claim
to absolute inspired truth is in its
supernatural evidence, including
prophecy. God used prophets to
speak and write down His Word
and God uses miracles like
fulfilled prophecy to authenticate
His messengers. For example, in
Genesis 12:7, God promises that
the land of Israel was to be for
Abraham and his descendants. In
1948 Israel was returned back to
the Jewish people for the second
time in history. This may not
seem so astonishing until you
realize that no nation in the
history of the world has been
scattered from its homeland and
returned! Israel has done it
twice. The book of Daniel
predicts with accuracy the
coming of the four great
kingdoms from Babylon, to
Medo-Persia, to Greece, to Rome
centuries before some of those
kingdoms came on the scene (a
time span of over 1,000 years!)
with details concerning how they
would rule and be broken. This
includes the reigns of Alexander
the Great and Antiochus
Epiphanies.
In Ezekiel 26 we can see in
astonishing detail how the city of
Tyre was to be destroyed, how it
would be torn down, and how
its debris would be thrown into
the sea. When Alexander the
Great marched on that area, he
encountered a group of people
holed up in a tower on an island
off the coast near there. He could
not cross the sea, so he could not
fight those in the tower. Rather
than wait them out, the proud
conqueror had his army throw
stones into the sea to build a
land bridge to the tower. It
worked. His army crossed the sea
and overthrew the occupants of
the stronghold. But where did he
get so much stone? The rocks
that were used for the land
bridge were the leftover rubble
from the city of Tyre . . . its stones
cast into the sea!
There are so many prophecies
concerning Christ (over 270!)
that it would take more than a
few screens worth of space to
list them all. Further, Jesus would
have had no control over many
of them such as His birthplace or
time of birth. Second, the odds of
one man accidentally fulfilling
even 16 of these are 1 in 10^45.
How many is that? For
comparison, there are less than
10^82 atoms in the entire
universe! And Jesus, who
affirmed the Bible as the Word of
God, proved His reliability and
deity by His resurrection (an
historical fact not easily ignored).
Now consider the Quran - its
author, Muhammad, performed
no miracles to back up his
message (even when he was
asked to by his followers - Sura
17:91-95; 29:47-51). Only in
much later tradition (the Hadith)
do any alleged miracles even
show up and these are all quite
fanciful (like Muhammad cutting
the moon in half) and have zero
reliable testimony to back them
up. Further, the Quran makes
clear historical errors. Muslims
believe the Bible is inspired but
with some errors from editing
(Sura 2:136 as well as Suras 13,
16, 17, 20, 21, 23, 25). The
question they cannot adequately
answer is: "When was the Bible
corrupted?" If they say before
600 A.D. then how can the Quran
admonish believers to read it? If
they claim it was after 600 A.D.,
then they have jumped out of the
frying pan and into the fire, for
we have absolutely no doubt as
to the accuracy of biblical
manuscripts from at least the 3rd
century forward. Even if
Christianity were false, the Quran
still has an insurmountable
problem because it makes
judgments against Christians for
believing things that they do not
(nor have they ever) believed. For
example, the Quran teaches that
Christians believe the Trinity is
the Father, the Mother (Mary),
and the Son (Sura 5:73-75, 116),
and the Quran also teaches that
Christians believe that God had
sex with Mary to have a son
(Suras 2:116; 6:100-101; 10:68;
16:57; 19:35; 23:91;
37:149-151; 43:16-19). If the
Quran is really from God, then it
should at least be able to
accurately report what Christians
believe.
Joseph Smith, the author of the
Book of Mormon, tried to do
some miracles such as prophecy
(a test for a true prophet in
Deuteronomy 18:21-22) but
failed several times. He foretold
of Christ's second coming in
History of the Church (HC) 2:382.
Joseph Smith preached that the
coming of the Lord would be in
56 years (about 1891). The
second coming did not occur in
1891, and the Mormon Church
does not claim that it did. Nor
has it occurred since. He also
prophesied that several cities
would be destroyed in Doctrine
and Covenants (D&C) 84:114-115.
New York, Albany and Boston
were to be destroyed if they
rejected the gospel according to
Smith. Joseph Smith himself went
to New York, Albany, and Boston
and preached there. These cities
did not accept his gospel, yet
they have not been destroyed.
Another famous false prophecy
of Joseph Smith was his "END OF
ALL NATIONS" in D&C 87
concerning the rebellion of South
Carolina in the war between the
states. The South was supposed
to call on Great Britain for aid,
and as a result war would be
poured out upon all nations;
slaves would revolt; the
inhabitants of the earth would
mourn; famine, plague,
earthquake, thunder, lightning,
and a full end of all nations
would result. The South finally
did revolt in 1861, but the slaves
did not rise up, war was not
poured out upon all nations,
there was no worldwide famine,
plague, earthquake, etc., and
there was no resulting "end of all
nations."
The collection of writings that
Protestants call the Apocrypha
(hidden writings), Roman
Catholics call the
deuterocanonical (later or
second canon) books. These
books were written between
300 B.C. and 100 A.D., the
Intertestamental Period between
the inspired writings of God's
Prophets in the Old Testament
and those of the Apostles and
their contemporaries in the New
Testament. These were "infallibly"
accepted into the Bible by the
Roman Catholic Church in 1546
at the Council of Trent. Now the
Apocrypha would be covered
under the evidence for the Bible
if these writings were truly
inspired - but evidence seems to
indicate that they are not. In the
Bible we find prophets of God
whose messages are ratified by
miracles or prophecy that comes
true, and whose message is
immediately accepted by the
people ( Deut 31:26; Josh. 24:26;
1 Samuel 10:25; Daniel 9:2; Col.
4:16; 2 Peter 3:15-16). What we
find in the apocrypha is just the
opposite - no apocryphal book
was written by a prophet. None
of these books were included in
the Hebrew Scriptures. There is
no ratification of the authors of
any apocryphal book. No
apocryphal book is cited as
authoritative by later Biblical
writers. There is no fulfilled
prophecy in any apocryphal
book. Finally, Jesus, who quoted
from every section of Old
Testament Scripture, never once
quoted from the apocrypha.
Neither did any of His disciples.
The Bible so far outshines every
competing source for being
God's revelation that if it is not
God's Word, it would seem
impossible to choose among the
leftovers. If the Bible is not God's
Word, then we have been left
with no clear criteria by which to
know what might be.