The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similitude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michael

This is a diservice to the good book of Revelations to say the least, hamas is way too inconsequential/small/atomic to factor into the discourse when it comes to Revelation 13 which deals with an "enterprise" class event rather than a narrow one as your post seems. Study more before responding or adding more information to your post.

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well said man. the op is totaly wrong even saying that satan is in heaven, what a joke. Well let me help, if u want to understand the book of revelation go to this site http:// www.who-is-the-antichrist.org/

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well said man. the op is totaly wrong even saying that satan is in heaven, what a joke. Well let me help, if u want to understand the book of revelation go to this site http:// www.who-is-the-antichrist.org/

@OP

so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. . . Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven.

Satan had been cast out by angel Micheal and his host of heaven before Adam was formed . But he gained access to heaven through the fall of Man. He got pseudo authority . When Micheal met him again over the death of Moses , Micheal could no longer withstand him as before because satan had gained adamic authority. But when Jesus defeated him , he took the keys (authority) from Satan . Satan no longer has access to heaven. His operation is limited to the atmosphere .

We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven

The bible made it clear that he was in the wilderness fasting and praying . And dwelling with wild beast (animals)

There is no indication of a wilderness in heaven in the bible. Maybe you produce more evidence.

. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon

Every indication points to the fact that the mark will be a computer laser mark or micro chips. The credit card is enough to prove the possibility of such use. Without credit card , you can't buy or sell. It hasn't taken full effect yet. But ut is gradually . Some people have many cards the carry about in the wallet which get missing a times . A time will come when they will come up with a device . Implant in the human body . Which can only be seen by scanner . It will contain the being and selling chip. The bible gave indication. It will have 666 as a code. MR .A code can be 666-1234. And Mr.b code 666-1235 etc. Every man on earth will have a serial number. It is going to be a cashless globsal society. The bible has always been right.

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I used to think likewise, but on second thoughts, because of the deception, Satan like a slithering snake never comes to us with the obvious.

He has decoys and also half-truths etc.

I think that this Mark will be spiritual.

In other words , the system will become so corrupt and Satanic that it could become impossible for any true believer to partake of it and for those who do, they will be agreeing mentally and conforming with the system and acting in opposition to Christ.

The bible says if you eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off.

You may be right, but I am just wondering about how this will happen.

The apparent is not always what happens in reality.

But I could be wrong !!

Joagbaje:

Satan had been cast out by angel Micheal and his host of heaven before Adam was formed.

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Where is the proof for this statement. If you can not provide the bible verses that support this timeline, then this is a lie.

1) If Satan was cast out of Heaven before the creation of Adam. . .then explain this:
(Job 1:6 [KJV])
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
So if according to you, Satan was already cast out of heaven, what was he doing there?

2) If Satan was cast out of Heaven before Adam was made, then that would mean Satan sinned before or early on the sixth day thus introducing imperfection into God's creation before or early on the sixth day. But in scripture we read:
(Gen 1:31 [KJV])
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The verses in the book are clear. Stop introducing your imaginations and false Dake-induced heresies.

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The verses in the book are clear. Stop introducing your imaginations and false Dake-induced heresies.

Ive been avoiding people like you who can't post without vile words . But if you read my post , I explained how Satan gained access to heaven. He had adamic authority. Adam is superior to angels and that's the power Satan Got. He was not called Satan until after his initial fall. He became Satan after the fall. If the job experience were before the fall ,he would have been called lucifer which was his original name before he fell.

The question you should ask yourself and research on is "WHEN DID LUCIFER FALL". And "WHEN WAS JOB TRIED"

You will be suprised to see the gap of Years between them.  Job story was around the time of  Abraham there about. Check fir yourself.

frosbel:


I used to think likewise, but on second thoughts, because of the deception, Satan like a slithering snake never comes to us with the obvious.

He has decoys and also half-truths etc.

I think that this Mark will be spiritual.

In other words , the system will become so corrupt and Satanic that it could become impossible for any true believer to partake of it and for those who do, they will be agreeing mentally and conforming with the system and acting in opposition to Christ.

The bible says if you eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off.

You may be right, but I am just wondering about how this will happen.

The apparent is not always what happens in reality.

But I could be wrong !!

I agree with you to a great extent. In the last days there will be heavy demonic activities mingled with science. The Antichrist will be a political leader and also a religious leader coulpe with scientific knowledge. There are beings and weapons of war mentioned in revelation which can't be attributed to modern day science.


Revelation 9:3-10
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

The embolden part would have gone for an apache helicopter but we know better. That this is demonic war machines.

Joagbaje:

Ive been avoiding people like you who can't post without vile words.

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Please highlight and underline the vile words in my post for the whole world to see. You are running when no one is chasing you. Is it your guilty conscience at your love of lucre that makes you see vile words where they are none. I repeat:

aletheia:

Where is the proof for this statement. If you can not provide the bible verses that support this timeline, then this is a lie.

1) If Satan was cast out of Heaven before the creation of Adam. . .then explain this:
(Job 1:6 [KJV])
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
So if according to you, Satan was already cast out of heaven, what was he doing there?

2) If Satan was cast out of Heaven before Adam was made, then that would mean Satan sinned before or early on the sixth day thus introducing imperfection into God's creation before or early on the sixth day. But in scripture we read:
(Gen 1:31 [KJV])
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The verses in the book are clear. Stop introducing your imaginations and false Dake-induced heresies.

I am not interested in your Dakes' heresies. Show proof from bible verses. Simple. That's all you need to do. Apparently you do not understand what the phrase "cast out of heaven" means. Simple analogy: When Adam was cast out of Eden, cast out of the presence of God, did he find his way back and here you are suggesting that another sinful creature cast out of heaven found his way back into the presence of God.
Moreover you plainly ignore this:
(Rev 12:10-11 [KJV])
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

From Job, Zechariah and Jude, we see Satan acting as the accuser in the presence of God: And here Revelation clearly shows him being cast out of Heaven so that he can no longer do that. But you say this happened before Adam.
Thus your vain imaginings would have him being cast out of heaven before Adam then going back to heaven to be cast out again. Whereas the Bible describes one incident of him being cast out following the ascension of the Risen Christ as Revelation Chapter 12 makes plain.

When it comes to choosing between the Bible and and false pastor Joagbaje's words: it is indeed a great joy to choose what the Bible says over the words of one who says Christians are not commanded to obey God.

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Pls Clap for yourself

aletheia:

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Please highlight and underline the vile words in my post for the whole world to see. You are running when no one is chasing you. Is it your guilty conscience at your love of lucre that makes you see vile words where they are none. I repeat:
I am not interested in your Dakes' heresies. Show proof from bible verses. Simple. That's all you need to do. Apparently you do not understand what the phrase "cast out of heaven" means. Simple analogy: When Adam was cast out of Eden, cast out of the presence of God, did he find his way back and here you are suggesting that another sinful creature cast out of heaven found his way back into the presence of God.
Moreover you plainly ignore this:
(Rev 12:10-11 [KJV])
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

From Job, Zechariah and Jude, we see Satan acting as the accuser in the presence of God: And here Revelation clearly shows him being cast out of Heaven so that he can no longer do that. But you say this happened before Adam.
Thus your vain imaginings would have him being cast out of heaven before Adam then going back to heaven to be cast out again. Whereas the Bible describes one incident of him being cast out following the ascension of the Risen Christ as Revelation Chapter 12 makes plain.

When it comes to choosing between the Bible and and false pastor Joagbaje's words: it is indeed a great joy to choose what the Bible says over the words of one who says Christians are not commanded to obey God.

to be frank l would kind suggest we maintain focus on the core concentrations of this thread rather than get personal over nothing. You can prove something is wrong by teaching what is right not by discrediting other people's understanding and infact going to the extent of black-branding the reknowned works of "Dakes". Where is the christinity in us if we resort to using insults to get our points across

Joagbaje:

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Pls Clap for yourself

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Nothing to say for yourself, I see! No bible verses forthcoming. None whatsoever. So you agree you lied when you made that statement. Now run along and go and hide as you usually do. . .only to surface on another thread.

newmi:

to be frank l would kind suggest we maintain focus on the core concentrations of this thread rather than get personal over nothing. You can prove something is wrong by teaching what is right not by discrediting other people's understanding and infact going to the extent of black-branding the reknowned works of "Dakes". Where is the christinity in us if we resort to using insults to get our points across

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Your mentor Joagbaje must show the vile words I used in my post and show me the bible verses that prove that Satan wast cast out of Heaven before Adam was made. Simple.

aletheia:

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Please highlight and underline the vile words in my post for the whole world to see. You are running when no one is chasing you. Is it your guilty conscience at your love of lucre that makes you see vile words where they are none. I repeat:
I am not interested in your Dakes' heresies. Show proof from bible verses. Simple. That's all you need to do. Apparently you do not understand what the phrase "cast out of heaven" means. Simple analogy: When Adam was cast out of Eden, cast out of the presence of God, did he find his way back and here you are suggesting that another sinful creature cast out of heaven found his way back into the presence of God.
Moreover you plainly ignore this:
(Rev 12:10-11 [KJV])
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

From Job, Zechariah and Jude, we see Satan acting as the accuser in the presence of God: And here Revelation clearly shows him being cast out of Heaven so that he can no longer do that. But you say this happened before Adam.
Thus your vain imaginings would have him being cast out of heaven before Adam then going back to heaven to be cast out again. Whereas the Bible describes one incident of him being cast out following the ascension of the Risen Christ as Revelation Chapter 12 makes plain.

When it comes to choosing between the Bible and and false pastor Joagbaje's words: it is indeed a great joy to choose what the Bible says over the words of one who says Christians are not commanded to obey God.

This is a worthless conversation.


Or have you not heard  "Avoid worthless, foolish talk that only leads to more godless behavior." - 2 Timothy 2:16

"Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge," - 1 Timothy 6:20

When you resort to insulting another Christian you make a mockery of the love commanded by GOD for all believers.

Speak the truth in love , not with harsh words.

"Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ," - Ephesians 4:15

aletheia:

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Nothing to say for yourself, I see! No bible verses forthcoming. None whatsoever. So you agree you lied when you made that statement. Now run along and go and hide as you usually do. . .only to surface on another thread.
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Your mentor Joagbaje must show the vile words I used in my post and show me the bible verses that prove that Satan wast cast out of Heaven before Adam was made. Simple.

its not a fight and as a note of correction the expression "your mentor" is offensive, if you have specific question to ask Jo like just did, then l would kindly suggest you direct it to him or anybody else in question but kindly without insults to go with and so that we can have meaningful sessions of discuss. thank u
But you are get to comment on the issue l pointed out with regards to you attempting to "discredit" the works of "Dakes" calling it "heresies"




you direct it to him or anybody else in question but kindly without insults to go with and so that we can have meaningful sessions of discuss. thank u
But you are get to comment on the issue l pointed out with regards to you attempting to "discredit" the works of "Dakes" calling it "heresies"

@newmi: kindly show me the insults. You man introduces a lie. When challenged, he goes on and on about being insulted. I say show me the insults or shut up.

frosbel:

When you resort to insulting another Christian you make a mockery of the love commanded by GOD for all believers.

Et tu? Kindly highlight the insults you refer to. Indeed God commands we love the brethren but that is no excuse for wishy-washy sentimentality when false teachers come sowing their dangerous heresies. Indeed you yourself have used harsher words than I in your campaign against false teachers and false doctrines, so what mean you by this? That Joagbaje is a Christian? What Christian seeing this written in the Bible: (Matt 28:20 [KJV]) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen, goes ahead to boldly declare that "Christians are not commanded to obey God".
Stop this sentimentality and follow the example of David who confronted ravenous wolves. And we were warned that wolves would come among the flock.

aletheia:

@newmi: kindly show me the insults. You man introduces a lie. When challenged, he goes on and on about being insulted. I say show me the insults or SHUT UP

Mr. Aletheia l think you should rather soft peddle slightly becos it won't be wise if you get faster than your feet could actually bear, l don't know what you think but is this rally necessary? l mean the ". . .SHUT UP" thing, lf you wish to know anything l think you would kindly and open mindedly read through Jo's post Where He highted areas with semblance of an insult and Also l pointed out the statement you made about "Dakes" ok in your true christian heart do you mean to justify what you said about the Dakes as being "heresies"?
At least by observation l am aware that the duo of both Joagbaje and frosbel have a hard time agreeing on a number of issues but maturity as christian demands that its is done with and in the right attitude and with respect which they both have demonstrated so far. thank u

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How is describing Finis Jennings Dake's teachings as heresies an insult to you newmi? Are you Dake? This is typical: worshiping a man Dake, rather than the Lord Jesus who ransomed us with is blood. So in your mind the misguided annotations of Dake are Holy Writ of greater import than the actual words of the Lord Jesus?. . .similar to how the Pharisees elevated their traditions over the Word of God.
To you I throw the same challenge as to Joagbaje: show me here the Bible verses that prove that Satan was cast out of Heaven before Adam was made.

It is clear to me your tactic of obfuscation and hiding behind the fig leaf of imagined insults rather than straightforwardly producing the Bible verses that will shut me up.

Does anyone agree with my conclusions?

Does anyone agree with this prophecy?

Time is running out.