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We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by razznaija(f): 7:46pm On Aug 17, 2011
when GEJ is talking about building more universities he fails to realise that the more universities he builds, the more unemployed graduates we would have. Times are hard, teenagers that are going through hard times cannot get reasonable jobs; like working as a cashier at a fast food joint (not the mama put kind but the Mr Biggs kind), instead they have to settle for hawking, bus conductors etc. and even when they cannot afford to go to the universities,they could go to trade schools but they still have to spend money for it. But in a lot of western countries they teach high school students trades and as soon as they graduate, they get certification for the trade. i live in the U.S and the high school that i attended was a vocational school where students were taught; carpentry, pottery, fashion design, cosmetology, medical assistant, auto mechanics, auto body works etc. i ended up studying nursing for three years between classes during the day and as soon as i graduated i was able to get a job as medical assistant ( meaning that i check the patients blood pressure, help the doctors with paper work etc.) which is my main source of income now that i am in the university, i even have a friend who studied cosmetology, she doesn't have a job but she gets a lot of money doing peoples hair and makeup which is helping her keep body and soul together. I think that we need schools that teach secondary school students trades in Nigeria, do you all agree with me??
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by ekt_bear(m): 2:55am On Aug 18, 2011
Yep. The focus on university education alone as the answer for all is misguided, imo
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by cold(m): 4:07am On Aug 18, 2011
If we had more vocational schools the desperation for white collar jobs would be reduced to the barest minimum & we wouldn't have too many people whining about lack of jobs on NL. Right now there are too many 'graduates' (if we can call them that) chasing too few jobs. But Nigerians being what they are,egocentric & all that,very few parents would want to send their wards to vocational secondary schools because they'll consider it 'low class' for the less privileged,therein lies the problem.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by olas2u: 4:53am On Aug 18, 2011
Nigeria is not a serious country.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by M M M(m): 5:24am On Aug 18, 2011
op
9ja government can't do dat,
becos dey prefer were they will gain money from after short time of d investment.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by ud byron[1](m): 5:25am On Aug 18, 2011
VSS is not a bad idea but a nice suggestion since Nigerian govt. Dont seem to know the value of education.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by agitator(): 7:23am On Aug 18, 2011
there are comprehensive secondary schools, craft centers and technical secondary schools, that take care of all you have mentioned, but problem is most are living in past glory as machinery, etc are obsolete or bad. No replacement plan. In my school we did woodwork, automech, applied electricity, home economics (preparing chin-chin, cakes, sewing-needle/machine, etc), typewriting & shorthand, FineArts (drawing, pottery, designing artistic objects with waste paper, sea shells), etc, plus all the regular secondary school subjects (sciences, arts, etc). when you get to higher class (class3) then you specialised, science, arts, technical, commercial, or combinations such as arts/commercial, science/technical, science/arts, etc

It was out of the
razznaija:

I think that we need schools that teach secondary school students trades in Nigeria, ??

This was the main reason for changing the school from the previous 6-5-4 system to 6-3-3-4 system

the former was 6-years compulsory primary, 5-years secondary school, then 4-years university,

and the later is 6-years compulsory primary, 3-years compulsory Junior secondary, 3-years senior secondary, 4-years university.

As a result of these compulsory introductory technology, business studies, and fine Arts were to be taught at JSS level and equipments were imported, ironically these equipments imported by the government couldn't be cleared at the ports where most were stolen and others rotted.

and with the lumping of the subjects the comprehensive secondary schools like the one i attended became useless.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by nna_bu_ike(m): 7:33am On Aug 18, 2011
razznaija:

I think that we need schools that teach secondary school students trades in Nigeria, do you all agree with me??

Vocational education is already well integrated in Nigerian education system so no, I do not agree with you.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by tunnytox(m): 9:15am On Aug 18, 2011
Why are people displaying their ignorance about vocational schools? which functioning vocational school do we have in Nigeria? in fact some people's level of ignorance never cease to amaze me, how can you equate the current educational system to vocational school?

A proper vocational school will be producing for Nigeria well trained mechanics, joiners, plumbers, carpenters etc if Nigeria have many of the schools and fund them properly we would have had better trained mechanics today not the roadsides one, for those who are involved in building properties in Nigeria you'll be amazed by the level of incompetence that many Nigerians carpenters, builders and plasterers have, they can't implement jobs properly with an excellent finishing touch and this is because they graduated from local apprentiship which does not provide proper and up to date training required to compete in this present age.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by Pweety4me: 9:24am On Aug 18, 2011
Intresting, well then again it depends on the government undecided
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by Hardeyorlah(f): 9:35am On Aug 18, 2011
I did introductory technology,fine art,business studies nd home economics in my junior secondary school days which are vocational studies.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by marcus1234: 9:45am On Aug 18, 2011
agree
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by atasteve: 9:47am On Aug 18, 2011
@Poster, I agree with you. Most of the vibrant economics were built on industrialization which is obviously a product of manufacturing!
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by Ben-10: 9:56am On Aug 18, 2011
agitator:

It was out of the
This was the main reason for changing the school from the previous 6-5-4 system to 6-3-3-4 system

the former was 6-years compulsory primary, 5-years secondary school, then 4-years university,

and the later is 6-years compulsory primary, 3-years compulsory Junior secondary, 3-years senior secondary, 4-years university.

As a result of these compulsory introductory technology, business studies, and fine Arts were to be taught at JSS level and equipments were imported, ironically these equipments imported by the government couldn't be cleared at the ports where most were stolen and others rotted.

and with the lumping of the subjects the comprehensive secondary schools like the one i attended became useless.



Clearly, nothing wqorks in Nigeria. Both government and the people. "Everything scatter scatter" Eedris
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by Greenpro: 10:07am On Aug 18, 2011
The need to de-emphasis certificate to skill and technical competence is very paramount to our change.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by ncpat(m): 10:29am On Aug 18, 2011
agitator:

there are comprehensive secondary schools, craft centers and technical secondary schools, that take care of all you have mentioned, but problem is most are living in past glory as machinery, etc are obsolete or bad. No replacement plan. In my school we did woodwork, automech, applied electricity, home economics (preparing chin-chin, cakes, sewing-needle/machine, etc), typewriting & shorthand, FineArts (drawing, pottery, designing artistic objects with waste paper, sea shells), etc, plus all the regular secondary school subjects (sciences, arts, etc). when you get to higher class (class3) then you specialised, science, arts, technical, commercial, or combinations such as arts/commercial, science/technical, science/arts, etc

It was out of the
This was the main reason for changing the school from the previous 6-5-4 system to 6-3-3-4 system

the former was 6-years compulsory primary, 5-years secondary school, then 4-years university,

and the later is 6-years compulsory primary, 3-years compulsory Junior secondary, 3-years senior secondary, 4-years university.

As a result of these compulsory introductory technology, business studies, and fine Arts were to be taught at JSS level and equipments were imported, ironically these equipments imported by the government couldn't be cleared at the ports where most were stolen and others rotted.

and with the lumping of the subjects the comprehensive secondary schools like the one i attended became useless.



YOU ARE RIGHT, I HAD MY SECONDARY SCHOOL EDUCATION IN PUBLIC SCHOOL,INFACT CREEK HIGH SCHOOL,TOLU, OLODI-APAPA LAGOOS AND DURING MY JUNIOR CLASS WE DID ALL THESE AS YOU MENTION ABOVE AND TILL TODAY I`M USING THE SKILL I ACQUIRE FROM MY JUNIOR SECONDARY SCHOOL TO FETCH FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, TODAY TELL A GRADUATE TO WIRE A ROOM OR TWO, THE ANSWER YOU WILL GET IS I`M NOT AN ELECTRICIAN, FROM 1991-1997 WAS THE TIME I DID MY SECONDARY SCHOOL WHERE YOU WILL BE GIVEN AN ASSIGNMENT TO CONSTRUCT A CONTROL SWITCH BOX USING A WOODEN BOARD,SWITCH BOX,JUNCTION BOX,ELECTRIC WIRE AND BULBS,

WELL THE ALL FAILURE TURNS OUT TO BE LEADERSHIP PROBLEM
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by emmatok: 11:54am On Aug 18, 2011
Hardeyorlah:

I did introductory technology,fine art,business studies nd home economics in my junior secondary school days which are vocational studies.

vocational studies is all about skill acquisition.

Senior secondary school or junior secondary school, subject do not translate to vocational studies.

introductory technology,fine art,business studies nd home economics are vocational studies.

Technical colleges, School of science and Trade centers were created for vocational studies.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by emmatok: 11:56am On Aug 18, 2011
Hardeyorlah:

I did introductory technology,fine art,business studies nd home economics in my junior secondary school days which are vocational studies.


vocational studies is all about skill acquisition.

Senior secondary school or  junior secondary school, subjects do not translate to vocational studies.

introductory technology,fine art,business studies and home economics are not vocational studies.

Technical colleges, School of science and Trade centers were created for vocational studies.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by emmatok: 11:58am On Aug 18, 2011
@moderator

Why lock this tread, i cannot modify my post.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by Big Meat: 12:02pm On Aug 18, 2011
There are enough of these vocations taught in our schools, but without proper funding and good teachers all is wastage.
Also students should be made to understand that combining these vocational skills within their formal education is highly important for their future development.
Unfortunately, every student wants to be a doctor, lawyer, accountant and other white collar jobs - all these are good please don't get me wrong. After graduation, most don't get jobs because the supply is way more than demand.
If some of these graduates have one vocation skill, this can be used to their advantage making some income whilst pursuing the ultimate job prospect.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by agitator(): 12:39pm On Aug 18, 2011
tunnytox:

Why are people displaying their ignorance about vocational schools? which functioning vocational school do we have in Nigeria? in fact some people's level of ignorance never cease to amaze me, how can you equate the current educational system to vocational school?

who displayed ignorance? you are the one displaying ignorance my brother. Some vocational schools i know in bayelsa and rivers state:
1 - Government technical school (GTS) at trans-amadi area port harcourt (Welding, Applied Mech, Technical Drawing, Draftsmanship, Woodwork, etc) and qualifications are used for admission into polythechnics and universities Government

2 - Crafts Development Center along Aba Road port harcourt, same as above but with specialised welding -ARC, Pipe Welding, Structural Welding, Woodwork, etc.

3 - Government Technical School at Tombia, Akukutoru or Asaritoru LGA, same as 1 above

4 - Government Sea School Isaka Port Harcourt or Okirika LGA for seamanship, ship maintenance, diving, maritime rescue, etc.

and almost all local government area in old rivers state some good school created

my school government comprehensive secondary school, borikiri, port harcourt one of the best government school in port harcourt no private to compare.

blame the principals and teachers in this schools for thiefing all the equipment and selling to others

ask anybody you know in port harcourt or rivers state to confirm for you.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by babasoty: 1:12pm On Aug 18, 2011
Why are people displaying their ignorance about vocational schools? which functioning vocational school do we have in Nigeria? in fact some people's level of ignorance never cease to amaze me, how can you equate the current educational system to vocational school?

A proper vocational school will be producing for Nigeria well trained mechanics, joiners, plumbers, carpenters etc if Nigeria have many of the schools and fund them properly we would have had better trained mechanics today not the roadsides one, for those who are involved in building properties in Nigeria you'll be amazed by the level of incompetence that many Nigerians carpenters, builders and plasterers have, they can't implement jobs properly with an excellent finishing touch and this is because they graduated from local apprentiship which does not provide proper and up to date training required to compete in this present age.

You just jump in then start raining abuses on the thread, you don't have to insult everyone here to get your point across,
 
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by nna_bu_ike(m): 2:48pm On Aug 18, 2011
tunnytox:

Why are people displaying their ignorance about vocational schools? which functioning vocational school do we have in Nigeria?

Well if you lived in the U.S and the high school that you attended was a vocational school where students were taught; carpentry, pottery, fashion design, cosmetology, medical assistant, auto mechanics, auto body works etc. and ended up studying nursing for three years you can't sincerely position yourself as an authority on Nigerian education unless your are a particularly simple somebody so no, I still don't agree with you!!


I am a product of the Nigerian education system when it worked the way that it was designed to work and I believe in it. Even today where we do have problems in the system, it is still functional and not a complete failure as some would have us believe.

Vocational education belongs in a secondary school only as an introductory level just like all other disciplines and indeed that is the way it is done in most parts of the world, including in Nigeria. As children grow, their natural intelligence/aptitudes become more pronounced, for example a child that was mathematically gifted may end up becoming weak in the subject so education at the secondary school level needs to be a sampling of as many fields as possible mostly at the introductory level. There is no point in teaching only advanced maths/engineering in secondary school when at least 98% of those that you are teaching will not use what you are teaching for anything. The same idea applies to vocational education.

If there is no vocational education in Nigeria, then where did all the electricians, mechanics e.t.c that we have no short supply of in Nigeria learn their trade given that they did not school in U.S where they have vocational education but not in "nonsense Nigeria".

I hope that I have been able to make things clearer for you.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by delpee(f): 3:11pm On Aug 18, 2011
Great idea indeed! The Ford Foundation initiated this idea in the 60s and set up the Comprehensive High School in Aiyetoro Ogun State which was modeled after the US education system. They had all the vocational subjects and american teachers. I don't know what was achieved by that experiment tho.

It seems Lagos state has set up some vocational schools to encourage school leavers, roadside mechanics and other craftsmen/women to acquire knowledge of modern techniques of doing things. I am not sure of the details but i think they have trade tests and certificates after the training some of which are carried out in their technical colleges. The one for auto-mechanics is done in conjunction with Automedics which is owned by an american trained guy. Can someone give us details on this and other states? God may grant our wish thru the harnessing of ideas and implementation of same by a caring politician reading this thread.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by seguno2: 3:57pm On Aug 18, 2011
Very good idea.
We need to re-emphasise such schools for skills acquisition as opposed to studies leading to City & Guilds or equivalent qualification. It is the absence of such schools that has partly led to Nigerians importing bricklayers, carpenters, welders etc from Benin and Togo for serious work especially for Lagos construction works.
Let us not leave it to government alone, town unions and private investors can also set up these vocational centres/schools to fill this obvious gap and reduce unemployment through creative skills acquisition.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by olawalebabs(m): 4:55pm On Aug 18, 2011
We use to have technical schools in those days, where are they now?
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by razznaija(f): 4:58pm On Aug 18, 2011
nna_bu_ike:

Well if you lived in the U.S and the high school that you attended was a vocational school where students were taught; carpentry, pottery, fashion design, cosmetology, medical assistant, auto mechanics, auto body works etc.  and ended up studying nursing for three years you can't sincerely position yourself as an authority on Nigerian education unless your are a particularly simple somebody so no, I still don't agree with you!!


I am a product of the Nigerian education system when it worked the way that it was designed to work and I believe in it.  Even today where we do have problems in the system, it is still functional and not a complete failure as some would have us believe.

Vocational education belongs in a secondary school only as an introductory level just like all other disciplines and indeed that is the way it is done in most parts of the world, including in Nigeria.  As children grow, their natural intelligence/aptitudes become more pronounced, for example a child that was mathematically gifted may end up becoming weak in the subject so education at the secondary school level needs to be a sampling of as many fields as possible mostly at the introductory level.  There is no point in teaching only advanced maths/engineering in secondary school when at least 98% of those that you are teaching will not use what you are teaching for anything.  The same idea applies to vocational education.

If there is no vocational education in Nigeria, then where did all the electricians, mechanics e.t.c  that we have no short supply of in Nigeria learn their trade given that they did not school in U.S where they have vocational education but not in "nonsense Nigeria".

I hope that I have been able to make things clearer for you.
nna bu ike i am also a product of the Nigeria Education system, i came to the U.S when i was in jss3, and they taught business studies, introtech, home economics but some of the vocations that i listed, you have to go to a university or poly to get license for them like nursing, film school,culinary arts, tanning factory, accounting etc and when the students graduate, they would be able work and get the same pay that the other employees that attended universities  get. My school even had a warehouse where the students where taught students how to build airplanes, because the school was built during WW2, and it was originally a trade school where they taught people, how to make guns and grenades etc. But they don't do that anymore, now its a secondary school, i would say that somehow, you are wrong because you're saying that just because i'm not in Nigeria, i don't know what is going on in the country.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by razznaija(f): 5:06pm On Aug 18, 2011
tunnytox:

Why are people displaying their ignorance about vocational schools? which functioning vocational school do we have in Nigeria? in fact some people's level of ignorance never cease to amaze me, how can you equate the current educational system to vocational school?

A proper vocational school will be producing for Nigeria well trained mechanics, joiners, plumbers, carpenters etc if Nigeria have many of the schools and fund them properly we would have had better trained mechanics today not the roadsides one, for those who are involved in building properties in Nigeria you'll be amazed by the level of incompetence that many Nigerians carpenters, builders and plasterers have, they can't implement jobs properly with an excellent finishing touch and this is because they graduated from local apprentiship which does not provide proper and up to date training required to compete in this present age.
i agree with you because some of the panel beaters,carpenters, welders, are not well qualified for the job and they make a lot of mistakes, while the ones in the U.S are well trained but somehow, i blame the teachers in Nigeria for not doing their jobs.
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by IykeD(m): 8:29pm On Aug 18, 2011
This is the thread of the month actually! I have been thinking of same thing for a while now. That's exactly what is done in the Scandinavia region and you see young men and women making lots of money for themselves. The benefit of this are enormous, it will make guys and gals have skills and then if they so wish to pursue the skills further, then they can go to the unis; it will in the long run, add to the development of the country, it will reduce this craze for university paper qualification etc
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by hajifaty: 11:14pm On Aug 18, 2011
Only God can help Nigeria
Re: We Need Vocational Secondary Schools In Nigeria. by whaithee(m): 2:39pm On Feb 26, 2012
I found this thread from Google while researching on vocational education in Nigeria. It really gives me the concern when I see Nigerian graduates roaming the street in search of white-collar jobs that are not even there.
I don't think vocational education should be limited to secondary schools. We need vocational schools for graduates or just anyone to register and learn a skill. We have such aviation, nursing, welding, computer, internet, telecom schools etc but there is the need for more such self empowering institutions.
It's unfortunate how we've bought over the idea of traditional education as the only acceptable form of education. Nigerian graduates should also start thinking for themselves. I'm grateful to God to come from a family where everyone is good with the hands, vocational school or not, which helped me to drop my certificate as a petroleum engineer and get handy.
Switzerland, Germany, Denmark hold vocational education on high esteem,

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