Lukuluku69:
▪︎ Baba you don come again? Please quote the verse that says he is the keys to kingdom of heaven to all those who will hear his teachings.

▪︎And I will quote where I read he is giving it to one of his disciples.

▪︎And still on your take about giving that fabled keys to to " all those who will hear his teachings, does this includes ALL Christians? Because all of una don hear the message or his teachings nah yet the same Christ said he is gonna deny a lot of you when you will come to homand say "Lord, Lord, in your name we have .......

Problem I observed with you lot is you don't attempt to reason or comprehend what you quote in any way or form. Your only goal is to disparage that which does not suit what you cling to and that makes it hard to engage you on any level. It's like trying to engage individuals hiding behind a wall of thorns frightened that they mind be impacted if they try to comprehend what is in fact written as it is written. So to me you are no different from the others who hide behind pastors and mogs from God's Truth.

Here's are a couple of questions you ought to have asked and maybe gained understanding of in this case

A. What is the key to the Kingdom of Heaven - not fabled by the way- meant to do?

B. What purpose does it serve in the hands of a man who has already entered into t he Kingdom of God?
What is the purpose of quoting without understanding?

Lukuluku69:

Ok.
So like how many times did Jesus visit Paul?
Do you know that despite Jesus visit to Paul, it took the intervention of Barnabas for the Disciples to accept him? I would have thought Jesus to pay them a visit to and inform them that he has paid Paul a visit o, please accept him amongst you but he did not do that and Barnabas had to intervened .
Bros, that Paul is d difference between u being Christian now nd you being a Muslim had he not tampered with Jesus message.

Dey myte nt want to accept him in d first place probably base on d teachings of jesus dat dey should nt believe anybody coming 2 dem in his name. It might nt b necessarily needed 2 b written in d bible dat holy spirit used barnabas.... But dat is whom (barnabas) God used 2 convince dem to accept paul.
And u can't decide what jesus will do "dat u thought he have 2 appear 2 his disciple nd tell dem he appeared 2 paul". D bible says God thought nd way is different man's own "isaiah 55:8-9"

Lukuluku69:


No be only Bukus na BULLOCK you go see.

(When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both means, they hastened to disbelieve in them.
فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ
(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, `We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu`ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus, and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).
فَقَالُواْ
(and they said) means, to the people of that city,
إِنَّآ إِلَيْكُمْ مُّرْسَلُونَ

cornelboy:

Lol. You're funny. The way Muslims I have met amuse me, can't stop laughing

Between Paul and and your prophet Mohammad, who do you think contradicted Jesus'teachings

After Paul's conversation, he fought for Jesus and keep spreading the gospel till his death without fearing harm and death.

What did your prophet do?
He feared. He grew an army and fought for himself, for his life.

You are an hypocrite for thinking that Paul contradicted Jesus his master whereas your prophet that came more than 600 years later denied everything his disciples wrote about him.

We aren't coming to that yet, Paul was a Jew and he fought really hard to save his fellow believers. He was attacking the Christians because he thought they're against the God of his ancestors yet claiming their group is the only true religion. Paul will never ever attack someone with whom he believe they're both worshipers of the same god.
In Islam such means nothing to them two friends who grew up as mates in the same school, pray together in the same mosque and travelled to Mecca together can kill one another due to racism and politics. And the irony of it is that both of them will pray to the same god (Allah) while planning to kill one another!

zoer:
I thought you once said it was MOHAMMED Jehova was referring too?

That was Sarcasm!

AntiChristian:

That was Sarcasm!

OK you agreed that it's not Mohammed!

MaxInDHouse:


OK you agreed that it's not Mohammed!

Muhammad is mentioned in the Injeel revealed to Jesus while he was alive.

Not the Bible written, compiled and canonised after Jesus left!

AntiChristian:


How will peace pepper us?

Jesus was said to say "Peace be with you" in John 20:21 the saying of Salam Alaikum we Muslim use to greet.

And Paul is unknown to Christ and Muslims. He's just a later forgery!

How can an Afghan like you say Tinubu is not known to Buhari? Is it not right to say you are mad?

Dtruthspeaker:


How can an Afghan like you say Tinubu is not known to Buhari? Is it not right to say you are mad?

The mad one here is clear!

AntiChristian:


The mad one here is clear!

Very clear as a Muslim reading the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
You missed the point!

According to what God told Abraham (before the law was written) who ever want to receive part of the blessings God promised Abraham such a person must become circumcised himself and all members of his household!
But when the law was written it's only the Israelites and whoever wants to become a worshiper of their God. Jesus was circumcised as a baby {Luke 1:59; Leviticus 12:3} after Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension to heaven some gentiles wanted to become Christians but some Jewish Christians insisted that those gentiles must first be circumcised before they can acknowledge these gentiles as worshipers of the God of Abraham. This led to a great argument among the Christians so the brothers sent Paul and Barnabas to the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem over this matter, {Act 15:1-2} after thorough meditation on how Jesus dealt with everyone during his ministry and the study on the scriptures the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem concluded that circumcision is no longer compulsory for any adult but you can circumcise your baby at birth since you are old now, they sent Paul and Barnabas back to deliver this message to all Christians throughout the earth. Act 15:20-29

So was it Paul that made that decision or the Apostles who has been with Jesus himself?

Please tell me one single law that Paul contradicted because if you're talking about circumcision it's the Apostles in Jerusalem that gave the order not Paul!

Concluding that an act is no longer compulsory is completely different from forbidding it.

It's very clear that Paul completely forbid the act of circumcision by saying " if you become circumcised, CHRIST WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING"(Galatians 5:2-4).

This is the reason why the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill Paul (Acts 23:12-14).

Please show me where the Jewish Christians in
Jerusalem bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill the apostles and the elders as they vowed to kill Paul.

Paul was also caught lying red handed
in two different instances ;

First instance of lying

Paul was accused of teaching all the Jews among the Gentiles to forsake circumcision and the Law of Moses. Read below ;


"The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present.
Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs..............................When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our Law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.” (Acts 21:18-28)


But when Paul was brought forward before the chief Priest and all the members of Sanhedrin to speak over this very accusation, he now proclaimed that he was being accused by the Jews for the hope of resurrection of the dead ; See below


"The commander wanted to find out exactly why Paul was being accused by the Jews. So the next day he released him and ordered the chief priests and all the members of the Sanhedrin to assemble. Then he brought Paul and had him stand before them. Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said, “My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.” At this the high priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth.Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck! Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!". Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people. Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)(Acts 22:30- 23:9).

Paul deliberately fabricated this lie after perceiving that some members of Sanhedrin are Pharisees (who believe in resurrection) while some are Sadducees (who do not believe in resurrection)


Second instance of lying

Similarly, instead of telling the reason why he was being accused by the Jews when the King Agrippa sincerely asked Paul about the same accusation, Paul proclaimed again that he was being accused for the hope of the promise made by God to raise the dead and for the fact that he advised people to repent and turn to God. Read below ;

"And now it is because of my hope in what God has promised our ancestors that I am on trial today. This is the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night. King Agrippa, it is because of this hope that these Jews are accusing me.Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead? (Acts 26:6-9)"………............."So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.That is why some Jews seized me in the temple courts and tried to kill me. (Acts 26:19-21)".


The two answers given by Paul to all the members of Sanhedrin and to the King Agrippa are nothing but outright lies. Paul was never accused for the hope of promise made by God to raise the dead (i:e the resurrection) nor accused for the fact that he asked people to repent and turn to God. He was only accused for teaching all the Jews among the Gentiles to forsake circumcision and the Law of Moses as you see in the quotation above.



In fact, Paul himself admitted that he was crafty and that he caught people by deceit ;

"But be it so, I did not burden you. Nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you by deceit (2nd Corinthians 12:16)".

Other versions says " I caught you with guile" or "I caught you by trickery"


Yet, the scriptures says ;


"The Lord hates the bloodthirsty and deceitful man (Psalms 5:6)


Cursed is he who does the work of the Lord deceitfully (Jeremiah 48:10 KJV)


See how all the points of evidence explained above support the fact that the bright light that revealed himself to Paul on his way to Damascus was not Jesus Christ but Satan in disguise

AntiChristian:


Muhammad is mentioned in the Injeel revealed to Jesus while he was alive.

Not the Bible written, compiled and canonised after Jesus left!

I belieF you have read the injeel and you have it
A beg can you send it to me?

zoer:
I belieF you have read the injeel and you have it
A beg can you send it to me?

Injeel was from the Children of Israel.

Why ask a me a non-Israelite of their book!

Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel so I can only believe the revelation once existed.

AntiChristian:


Injeel was from the Children of Israel.

Why ask a me a non-Israelite of their book!

Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel so I can only believe the revelation once existed.

You didn't read it in the injeel but you said MOHAMMED is in the injeel JESUS CHRIST BROUGHT. So is the injeel a book?
And how did you know ?

AntiChristian:

Muhammad is mentioned in the Injeel revealed to Jesus while he was alive.
Not the Bible written, compiled and canonised after Jesus left!

OK, that's not available now so we believe what we know!

Abdulgaffar22:

Concluding that an act is no longer compulsory is completely different from forbidding it.
It's very clear that Paul completely forbid the act of circumcision by saying " if you become circumcised, CHRIST WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING"(Galatians 5:2-4).
This is the reason why the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill Paul (Acts 23:12-14).
Please show me where the Jewish Christians in
Jerusalem bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill the apostles and the elders as they vowed to kill Paul.

Act 23:12

Those Jews don't have God's LOVE in their hearts neither do they love their neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} rather they're only zealous for tradition that's dead already {Romans 10:1-3} if circumcision is a must the God of Israel will fight for Himself to keep it whether some accept it or not!

The Jews only wanted to kill Paul for just one reason:
He is uniting both Jews and gentiles to LOVE one another as brothers in Christianity which is the motive why God sent the Christ {Isaiah 2:2-4} while those racist Jews were anticipating world domination under the Messiah. Act 1:6-8

When Jesus refused to act in line with their racist motives {John 6:15} they schemed to kill him {John 7:1} that's why they rejected Jesus when Pilate called him "the king of the Jews" {John 19:14-15} they killed Jesus mercilessly due to the LOVE he had for people in general!

The scripture they are expecting Jesus to fulfill is Daniel 2:44, they wanted him to kill all their enemies so Jews can dominate the world.

So it's exactly the same reason they killed Jesus of Nazareth that those murderous Jews were planning to kill Paul even though he was one of them nursing the same intention before his conversion to Christianity! Galatians 1:13-14

May you have PEACE!

Abdulgaffar22:
Paul was also caught lying red handed
in two different instances ;

First instance of lying

Paul was accused of teaching all the Jews among the Gentiles to forsake circumcision and the Law of Moses. Read below ;


"The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present.
Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs..............................When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our Law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.” (Acts 21:18-28)


But when Paul was brought forward before the chief Priest and all the members of Sanhedrin to speak over this very accusation, he now proclaimed that he was being accused by the Jews for the hope of resurrection of the dead ; See below


"The commander wanted to find out exactly why Paul was being accused by the Jews. So the next day he released him and ordered the chief priests and all the members of the Sanhedrin to assemble. Then he brought Paul and had him stand before them. Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said, “My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.” At this the high priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth.Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck! Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!". Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people. Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)(Acts 22:30- 23:9).

Paul deliberately fabricated this lie after perceiving that some members of Sanhedrin are Pharisees (who believe in resurrection) while some are Sadducees (who do not believe in resurrection)


Second instance of lying

Similarly, instead of telling the reason why he was being accused by the Jews when the King Agrippa sincerely asked Paul about the same accusation, Paul proclaimed again that he was being accused for the hope of the promise made by God to raise the dead and for the fact that he advised people to repent and turn to God. Read below ;

"And now it is because of my hope in what God has promised our ancestors that I am on trial today. This is the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night. King Agrippa, it is because of this hope that these Jews are accusing me.Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead? (Acts 26:6-9)"………............."So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.That is why some Jews seized me in the temple courts and tried to kill me. (Acts 26:19-21)".


The two answers given by Paul to all the members of Sanhedrin and to the King Agrippa are nothing but outright lies. Paul was never accused for the hope of promise made by God to raise the dead (i:e the resurrection) nor accused for the fact that he asked people to repent and turn to God. He was only accused for teaching all the Jews among the Gentiles to forsake circumcision and the Law of Moses as you see in the quotation above.



In fact, Paul himself admitted that he was crafty and that he caught people by deceit ;

"But be it so, I did not burden you. Nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you by deceit (2nd Corinthians 12:16)".

Other versions says " I caught you with guile" or "I caught you by trickery"


Yet, the scriptures says ;


"The Lord hates the bloodthirsty and deceitful man (Psalms 5:6)


Cursed is he who does the work of the Lord deceitfully (Jeremiah 48:10 KJV)


See how all the points of evidence explained above support the fact that the bright light that revealed himself to Paul on his way to Damascus was not Jesus Christ but Satan in disguise

MaxInDHouse:
The Jews only wanted to kill Paul for just one reason:
He is uniting both Jews and gentiles to LOVE one another as brothers in Christianity which is the motive why God sent the Christ {Isaiah 2:2-4} while those racist Jews were anticipating world domination under the Messiah. Act 1:6-8

When Jesus refused to act in line with their racist motives {John 6:15} they schemed to kill him {John 7:1} that's why they rejected Jesus when Pilate called him "the king of the Jews" {John 19:14-15} they killed Jesus mercilessly due to the LOVE he had for people in general!

The scripture they are expecting Jesus to fulfill is Daniel 2:44, they wanted him to kill all their enemies so Jews can dominate the world.

So it's exactly the same reason they killed Jesus of Nazareth that those murderous Jews were planning to kill Paul even though he was one of them nursing the same intention before his conversion to Christianity! Galatians 1:13-14

May you have PEACE!

You are claiming in the bolded statement above that the sole reason why the Jews wanted to kill Paul is because he was uniting both the Jews and Gentiles together.

So are you saying the Jews are only telling lies when they proclaimed in Matthew 21:18-28 that Paul was teaching against the law of Moses?

If you believe that the Jews are only lying, then have you forgotten what Paul himself wrote about the law ? See the quotation again ;

"For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility (Ephesians 2:14-16 )"



"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Romans 7:6)"

So the Jews are perfectly right in their claim in Matthew 21:18-28 that Paul is teaching against the law of Moses. This is very clear and it's the main reason why they wanted to kill Paul. The reason is not for uniting both the Jews and Gentiles together
You just deliberately choose to defend Paul in order to protect your faith from being jeopardize

MaxInDHouse:


Act 23:12

Those Jews don't have God's LOVE in their hearts neither do they love their neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} rather they're only zealous for tradition that's dead already {Romans 10:1-3} if circumcision is a must the God of Israel will fight for Himself to keep it whether some accept it or not!

Have you forgotten that Jews in question are believers in Christ whose their faith in Christ were confirmed by James and the elders ? See the verse below

"The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present.
Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law (Matthew 21:18-19)

If the apostles and the elders have also condemned the act of circumcision like Paul did, then why these Jews not attacking them as they made an attempt to attack Paul ?

Paul is the only person that condemned the act of circumcision by saying "Christ will profit you nothing if you become circumcised".

Apostles and elders only agreed that circumcision is not compulsory for the Gentile believers in Christ(see Acts 15:19-21). They could not have uttered such a negative statement (like that of Paul) against circumcision, the everlasting convenant of God

Abdulgaffar22:

You are claiming in the bolded statement above that the sole reason why the Jews wanted to kill Paul is because he was uniting both the Jews and Gentiles together.

So are you saying the Jews are only telling lies when they proclaimed in Matthew 21:18-28 that Paul was teaching against the law of Moses?

If you believe that the Jews are only lying, then have you forgotten what Paul himself wrote about the law ? See the quotation again ;

"For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility (Ephesians 2:14-16 )"



"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Romans 7:6)"

So the Jews are perfectly right in their claim in Matthew 21:18-28 that Paul is teaching against the law of Moses. This is very clear and it's the main reason why they wanted to kill Paul. The reason is not for uniting both the Jews and Gentiles together
You just deliberately choose to defend Paul in order to protect your faith from being jeopardize

My faith is not a dogmatic religion where they only follow codes that makes no practical sense. I quoted the Bible to show you what the Christ is expected to achieve and so far so good Paul was working towards that direction.

Please this is not your Islam that you blindly follow what those racist called Arabs taught you, we want to know the purpose of the faith we accepted unlike Islam i must not kill my fellow believer for any reason whatsoever but in your own religion racism and politics rules over the love you have for your Allah. You can kill your fellow Muslim anytime for the sake of nationalism, racism or politics.

And less i forget @ Matthew 21 Paul has not even been mentioned at all in the story of Christianity!

Abdulgaffar22:


Have you forgotten that Jews in question are believers in Christ whose their faith in Christ were confirmed by James and the elders ? See the verse below

"The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present.
Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law (Matthew 21:18-19)

If the apostles and the elders have also condemned the act of circumcision like Paul did, then why these Jews not attacking them as they made an attempt to attack Paul ?

Paul is the only person that condemned the act of circumcision by saying "Christ will profit you nothing if you become circumcised".

Apostles and elders only agreed that circumcision is not compulsory for the Gentile believers in Christ(see Acts 15:19-21). They could not have uttered such a negative statement (like that of Paul) against circumcision, the everlasting convenant of God

Ọmọ don't argue blindly nah!

I quoted what happened for you to see for yourself that the matter of circumcision caused a great dissension among the first century Christians and Paul with Barnabas were sent to go and find out what the apostles will say about the matter.

Please if your clerics told you anything against Paul know today that i've heard much more than you do when i was still a Muslim so i know they're lying to you. Paul was attacked by the Jews for the same reason those racists attacked and killed Jesus of Nazareth!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ don't argue blindly nah!

I quoted what happened for you to see for yourself that the matter of circumcision caused a great dissension among the first century Christians and Paul with Barnabas were sent to go and find out what the apostles will say about the matter.

Please if your clerics told you anything against Paul know today that i've heard much more than you do when i was still a Muslim so i know they're lying to you. Paul was attacked by the Jews for the same reason those racists attacked and killed Jesus of Nazareth!

Honestly, you are just lumping things together because the Jews that made an attempt to kill Jesus were ordinary Jews but the Jews that vowed to kill Paul were Christian Jews who were with James and elders in Jerusalem

MaxInDHouse:


OK, that's not available now so we believe what we know!

No, i believe all authentic revelations but not what men wrote!

Abdulgaffar22:

Honestly, you are just lumping things together because the Jews that made an attempt to kill Jesus were ordinary Jews but the Jews that vowed to kill Paul were Christian Jews who were with James and elders in Jerusalem

Christianity totally differs from your Islam don't think Christianity support any attack on anyone because Christ told them to love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} love their fellow Christians just as he love them {John 13:34-35} and love their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} this is unlike your religion where intolerance is on the loose.
Whoever fails to love the way Jesus taught can never have anything in the kingdom of God, that's what Jesus taught them! John 15:11-15

So it's the common Jews who killed Jesus that were targeting Paul and it's because they don't want to humbly accept the fact that their pride has nothing to do with Christ since he has come to establish God's Kingdom where all the people on planet earth must live as equals no domination as those murderous Jews were anticipating.

Learn to know the difference between true Christians and false religions today:
No Christian must lift up his hand to strike his fellowman neither join in any form of protest against their fellowman, Jesus Christ forbids his disciples from doing any of these whatever makes anyone think of hurting his fellowman for any reason whatsoever such a person has disown Christianity! Matthew 26:52; Luke 9:51-56

AntiChristian:

No, i believe all authentic revelations but not what men wrote!

We believe in only the inspired word of our God and Jesus has told us that there is a sign we need to verify that the message is from the true God:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:15-18

Note the highlighted in red: ravenous predators are KILLERS who have come to do the will of Satan {John 8:44} so when we receive any message called INSPIRATION or REVELATION the purpose of such inspiration according to God's word is to help people from all the nations unite as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} so that there could be perfect understanding among God's people {Zephaniah 3:9} in the absence of this Jesus Christ would have been a failure that's why he said:

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves! John 13:34-35 compare to John 15:12-13

So we don't believe Jesus simply because a story book told us he is God's Son NO! We believe him because we can SEE his organized group standing out as a people identified with LOVE permeating their gathering throughout the world {Matthew 5:14-16} that is the one and only evidence that we have known God's Son!

As for your religion and all the others the Bible foretold that each of you will be lured into one thing or another and the result will be killing indiscriminately, politics and racism will overshadow what you call faith in your God and your people will be killing one another! Revelations 6:3-4

So don't worry about what we have the living proof is here with us and it's indisputable that we have the authentic word of the God whose predominant quality is LOVE! 1John 4:8

May you have PEACE!

@ Aemmyjah

For now stop direct quoting anyone because the system often act funny like that and it will continue to ban your account anytime you try to quote anyone. It's one of those things that Nairaland hasn't been able to achieve for years now!

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Abdulgaffar22:
After the departure of Jesus (peace be upon him) from this world, a bright light from heaven that called himself Jesus of Nazareth flashed around a man called Paul (whose original name was Saul) on his way to Damascus;


"About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me (Acts 22:6-9)"



But did Paul (Saul) truly meet the original Jesus Christ (pbuh) on his way to Damascus ?


Let's consider the following points of evidence ;

1ST POINT OF EVIDENCE

Before Jesus (pbuh) left the surface of the earth, he forewarned the original apostles as follows:


"Take heed that no one deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying; I am the Christ; and shall deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5)…


“Then if anyone says here is Christ or there, do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if anyone tells you; Christ is out in the wilderness, do not go out; or Christ is in the inner rooms, do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, then the vultures will gather (Matthew 24:23-28)"


[Please take note of how the phrase "if anyone (which means without exception)" is being used repeatedly by Jesus in the verses above.]


“Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them Luke 21:8-9).


Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many (Mark 13:5-6)


In all the verses above, the disciples are commanded by Jesus(pbuh) not to believe in any account of a person who claim to have seen Jesus in a private manner prior to his universally-visible appearance to all. Jesus(pbuh) was telling us that his returning to earth again from heaven will be clear and unmistakable to everyone. That is to say, Jesus will be visible to every eye from every corner of the world in the same way that lightning that comes from the east is visible to those in the West . The people would gather to see Jesus coming from the heaven just like vultures gather over the carcass. Hence, any private appearances of Jesus to anyone or to only a few set of people before this universally public appearance should be ignored and discarded


Therefore, if Jesus’ private appearance to Paul in form of “a bright light from heaven" on his way to Damascus would be an exception to this great warning of not believing in private appearances of Christ, then Jesus (pbuh)should have foretold this exceptional event to the original apostles before he ascended to heaven. However, Jesus (pbuh) did not foretell anything like such.


2ND POINT OF EVIDENCE

Instead of foretelling to the original apostles that he would privately appear to someone like Paul in form of a bright light from heaven” before his universally-visible appearance to all, Jesus only informed them as follows;


"And he said unto them, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke10:18 KJV)".


That is to say, Jesus saw Satan in a form of a lightening falling from heaven. This is the appearance usually taken by Satan and this is the main reason why he was called Lucifer (which means light-bearer or morning star or shining one ) in Isaiah 14:12 KJV

[Lucifer is a combination of [lūx (light) + ferō (bear, carry) in Latin language]


But is it really reasonable to believe that it was Satan, and not Jesus, that revealed himself to Paul in form of lightning from heaven? Yes, it is not only reasonable but also provable by combining together the three strong facts below ;


1. Jesus has already forewarned the original apostles not to believe in any account of a person proclaiming private appearance of Christ, using repeatedly the phrase if anyone.... (which means without exception -see Matthew 24:23-28 quoted above)



2. If Jesus really foretold that he beheld Satan in a form of lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18 KJV), then Jesus would never emulate Satan by appearing in the same form to any chosen apostle. Yet it was the same lightning (i:e bright light) from heaven that revealed himself to Paul on his road to Damascus (see Acts 22:6-9 quoted above).



3. Matthew 24:36 clearly shows that Jesus does not know the actual day which general resurrection will take place and again Mark 11:12-14 clearly revealed that Jesus did not know that a distant fig tree had no fruits (until he reached the tree) which all implies that Jesus cannot be God who always has a perfect knowledge about all things.

Yet contrary to this basic fact, Paul indirectly proclaimed that Jesus is God by stating that all the fullness of God ( i:e the whole of divine nature) dwell in the body of Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:19, 2:9).

Hence stylishly, Paul caused the christians to commit the sin of idolatry by giving them the opportunity to take Jesus (who is only a man-- Acts 2:22) as a divine God.



See how all the evidence explained above support the fact that the bright light that revealed himself to Paul on his way to Damascus was not Jesus Christ but Satan in disguise - a ravening wolf that came in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15).


But despite this satanic delusion experienced by Paul, almost half of the books (13 out of 27) found in the New Testament were written by him alone.


Look at the foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected !


This is the top secret that is clearly depicted in the Bible but which is still unknown to many Christians

If the Jesus who appeared to Paul was false, who was the Jesus who sent ananias to heal him of his blindness and give him the Holy Spirit?

If the apostles were instructed by The real Jesus and given the Holy Spirit by the real Jesus, the same Holy Spirit who told Peter that Ananias and sapphira his wife had lied to them concerning the sale of their land and kept back a part of the money, the same Holy Spirit who ordered Philip to preach the Ethiopian eunuch , the same Holy Spirit which used Peter and John to cure the lame man at the beautiful gate, how come the same Holy Spirit never warned them that Paul was an impostor when he joined himself to them at Jerusalem?

Who was the Jesus that Stephen saw standing on the right hand of God while being stoned was he a fake too? The same Stephen who was chosen by the apostles who saw the real Jesus and had his Spirit meanwhile Stephen wasn't chosen randomly he was chosen after they all prayed to the real Jesus.

Then finally who was the Jesus that appeared to John the beloved on the island of patmos, the same John the beloved who had earlier seen the real Jesus crucified and had the real Holy spirit, was the Jesus at patmos the devil in disguise ?


You better stop all this useless and pointless epistles that will take you nowhere, and give your life to Christ. every erroneous word you typed here have it's reward, you are turning the word and power of God into philosophical
and academic debate the same thing which Paul the apostle warned about, the Word of God should be received by faith and not subjected to a debate.

Desist from this act and give your life to Christ now[/i]

zoer:
(When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both means, they hastened to disbelieve in them.
فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ
(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, `We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu`ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus, and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).
فَقَالُواْ
(and they said) means, to the people of that city,
إِنَّآ إِلَيْكُمْ مُّرْسَلُونَ

Lol ��

So you now suddenly accept that Allah is the one that sent your Bulus, Yuhanna and Sham'un?

You got this from Ibn Kathir abi? Keep digging. Just keep digging.

And another thing I know you are that loser Sagenaija with another moniker lol

Seems you have stopped wailing lately. What happened?

@ Abdulgaffar

Please don't let my posts stop you from what you're doing because if truly you love God it's good to question all religions that speaks about God. Matthew 7:7-8
But don't allow credulity or nepotism becloud your reasoning because many i tell you will like to know the truth but they will fail to identify it through nepotism {Luke 13:24} as they're only supporting the religion they inherited from their parents instead of questions all what people say about God.

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we don't claim that we are perfect but the assurance of pure worship we have it today {Hebrews 11:1} because we have an organization of imperfection humans who are fulfilling what God promised that will happen in the last days {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} as for the Bible and Jesus ọmọ both would have been ordinary book with a fairytale if these things aren't happening now in our generation! Luke 21:33

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


Christianity totally differs from your Islam don't think Christianity support any attack on anyone because Christ told them to love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} love their fellow Christians just as he love them {John 13:34-35} and love their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} this is unlike your religion where intolerance is on the loose.
Whoever fails to love the way Jesus taught can never have anything in the kingdom of God, that's what Jesus taught them! John 15:11-15

So it's the common Jews who killed Jesus that were targeting Paul and it's because they don't want to humbly accept the fact that their pride has nothing to do with Christ since he has come to establish God's Kingdom where all the people on planet earth must live as equals no domination as those murderous Jews were anticipating.

Learn to know the difference between true Christians and false religions today:
No Christian must lift up his hand to strike his fellowman neither join in any form of protest against their fellowman, Jesus Christ forbids his disciples from doing any of these whatever makes anyone think of hurting his fellowman for any reason whatsoever such a person has disown Christianity! Matthew 26:52; Luke 9:51-56

You said above that it's the common Jews who killed Jesus that were targeting Paul.

Please read what James and the elders said to Paul when he got to Jerusalem ;

When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs.(AH) What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law (Acts 21:20-24)

Many thousands of Jews mentioned above are obviously Christian Jews. Yet you're claiming that they were common Jews. Please let us try to be sincere in our argument.