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|Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 10:47am On Sep 03, 2011|
Many people have been talking recently about the failed “end of the world” prophecies by Mr Harold Camping, but few ever seem to notice one of the greatest hoaxes that has ever come down the pike.
I am talking about the hoax of a teaching known as Transubstantiation, which is taught by the church of Rome. Do you believe that it is possible for a Roman Catholic Priest to turn a piece of bread (wafer/host) into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ? As a former Roman Catholic, I don’t believe it, and millions of other former Roman Catholics do not believe it either. The reformers didn’t believe it either and it cost many of them their very lives as they suffered cruel and torturous deaths.
Some refer to the Catholic teaching of Transusbstantiation as “hocus pocus” and rightly so, but it is a teaching that is believed by millions upon millions to this very day. This is certainly not a light thing because we are talking about a Roman Catholic priest being given the ability, to bring the eternal Son of God (whole and entire) back down on their Catholic altars to be ingested by their parishioners! In this article I will be taking a look at the Roman Catholic teaching regarding transubstantiation, and compare it with the scriptures to prove that it is indeed a hoax. In this article I will be using references from The New Saint Joseph Baltimore Catechism (Revised Edition Number 2), which has the Roman Catholic Official Imprimatur by Francis Cardinal Spellman. The Imprimatur indicates the approval of the Roman Catholic Church of the doctrines which are taught within the Catechism.
In item 344, the Baltimore Catechism talks about the last Supper meal and how it was a Passover meal celebrated by the Jews in remembrance of their slavery in Egypt. The Catechism mentions the fact that the sacrifice was a symbol of the future sacrifice of Christ.
“At the Last Supper Christ instituted the Eucharist as a ceremony under which His sacrifice of the next day on Calvary was to be continued through the centuries. Our Mass is the continuation of this ceremony (with prayers added by the Church), but it is a SACRAMENT, not merely an empty ceremony; it really contains what the ceremony signifies – the sacrifice of Christ.” [ The New Saint Joseph Baltimore Catechism, item #344, page 163]
So in this first excerpt from the Catholic Catechism we learn that the Roman Catholic Mass is a continuation of the Eucharistic ceremony, which is the sacrifice of Christ. I did another article entitled “The Deception Of The Roman Catholic Mass”which will help you understand this a little better. In item #345 the Catechism tells us that the apostles of the Lord, were present when he instituted the “Holy Eucharist.” In item #346, the Catechism tells us that the Lord instituted the Eucharist when he took the bread and said, “Take and eat, this is my body” and also when he took the wine and said ” All of you drink of this; for this is my blood of the new covenant which is being shed for many unto the forgiveness of sins.” Please pay attention here, because this is the part you need to understand. In the next item #347 the question is asked:
Item #347 “What happened when the Lord said this is My body . . . this is My blood?”
“When our Lord said “This is My body”, the entire substance of the bread was changed into his body; and when He said “This is My blood,” the entire substance of the wine was changed into His blood.”
Item #348 “Did anything of the bread and wine remain after their substance had been changed into Our Lord’s body and blood?”
“After the substance of the bread and wine had been changed into Our Lord’s body and blood, there remained only the appearances of bread and wine.”
Item #349 “What do we mean by the appearances of bread and wine?”
“By the appearances of bread and wine we mean their color, taste, weight, shape, and whatever else appears to the senses.”
Item #350 “What is the change of the entire substance of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ called?”
“The change of the entire substance of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ is called Transubstantiation.”
I hope that you are getting a better understanding here of what is taught as truth, by the Roman Catholic Church regarding their Eucharist. To make it plain and simple to you, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that a Catholic Priest can transform a piece of bread, also known as a “Communion Host (or wafer)” into the ACTUAL body and blood of Jesus Christ Himself! They teach that the substance of the bread (wafer) has been changed into the body and blood of Jesus, even though it appears to be just a piece of bread!
The Baltimore Catechism then explains that an apple can go from being a green apple, to a full ripe red apple. Then they say that a partial change of substance takes place when oil burns and changes into smoke. But they say a complete change of substance is called Transubstantiation.
“The only example of this kind of change is found in the Consecration of the Mass. The appearances of bread would also change into those of Christ if God did not prevent this by a miracle. When the priest says, “This is my body,” at Mass, you would immediately see Christ, and not the appearances of bread, if God did not prevent it by a miracle. He keeps the appearances of bread in existence to enable us to eat the flesh of Christ without difficulty.”
Item #351 “Is Jesus Christ whole and entire both under the appearances of bread and under the appearance of wine?”
“Jesus Christ is whole and entire both under the appearances of bread and under the appearances of wine.’
As a former Roman Catholic who was delivered from the great deception of the Roman Catholic Church, it is sometimes difficult to even type these words. It is absolutely amazing to me now, how I could have sat for so long under the false teachings of Rome. They are teaching the people that a priest has the power to change the substance of a piece of bread, or a cup of wine into Jesus Christ Himself. Even though that piece of bread still looks like bread, and tastes like bread, it is no longer bread, but it is Jesus Christ himself.
As a former Roman Catholic I would like to say today, that the piece of bread (Communion wafer) looks like bread, and it tastes like bread, because IT IS BREAD! It is not Jesus Christ and it will never be Jesus Christ. What has been taking place for centuries is one of the craftiest deceptions to ever come down the pike. (and there are many of them) I remember watching television programs many years ago where a hypnotist would convince people that they were something else, whether it be an animal or a different person. The people were put under some sort of spell, and it was often incredible (and sometimes scary) as you watched the people act just as the hypnotist commanded them to do. You can call it what you want, you can say it is hypnotism, spiritism or even witchcraft, but there is one thing that I know for sure, and that is that the Roman Catholic teaching of Transubstantiation is not of the Lord, and it most certainly is of demonic origin. Am I saying that the Devil is behind that teaching? That is exactly what I am saying.
Illustration of Transubstantiation
Let’s say you are in the market for a new car, and you do not want to spend much more than twenty five thousand dollars. So one day you are reading the newspaper, and you go the car section to look at the sales page, and you see an ad that gets your attention. “Brand New Rolls Royce $25,000 Plenty available.” You cannot believe your eyes, and you suspect that it must be some kind of a gimmick.
But your curiosity gets the best of you, and you take a ride to the dealership anyway. You figure that you have nothing to lose. You arrive at the dealership, and you are greeted by the manager, and you tell him that you are there in response to the Rolls Royce ad. You wait for his answer, and he tells you that he has plenty of them left. He asks you what color you were looking for, and you tell him, you were looking for something in a light blue, but that you were flexible. He says great, I have just the one for you. He takes you outside to the lot and he says there it is.
You become confused as you stare at a beautiful baby blue colored Volkswagen. You say to the manager, “is this some kind of a joke or publicity stunt? Your ad said that I could get a Rolls Royce for twenty five thousand dollars, but that is a Volkswagen!” The manager tells you to wait because he was not done yet. He calls for one of his workers from the service area, and he comes running with a large white blanket, and he throws it over the entire car. You are amazed at what this guy has up his sleeve.
You watch as the service worker kneels, and bows before the car, and lays his hands upon it, and suddenly he removes the blanket. The manager tells you “There it is, your brand new Rolls Royce!” You look at him and say “That is still a Volkswagen” and he replies. “No sir, that is a brand new Rolls Royce.” On the outside the appearance is still that of a Volkswagen, but the entire substance of the car, has been totally changed into that of a Rolls Royce. The manager then tells you that it is a divine miracle which keeps the appearance of a Volkswagen, and prevents the car from actually appearing like a Rolls Royce, because God wants you to be able to navigate through traffic without difficulty. The manager then tells you that the process of change is called “Transubstantiation” and that other car dealers are also experimenting with the process.
The Real Jesus Christ:
He Died ONCE! He Rose ONCE!
He Ascended into Heaven ONCE!
He died on the Cross at a pre-determined point in time (Acts 2:22-23,1 Corinthians 15:1-3 )
He rose from the dead at a specific point of time (Matthew 28:1-20, Mark 16:1-20, Luke 24:1-49, John 20:1-31, Acts 2:24)
He ascended into heaven at a specific point in time. (Mark 16:19-20, Luke 24:50-53, Acts 9:1-11)
He paid the price in FULL once and for all with his blood. (John 19:30, Hebrews 9:12, 10:12)
There is no more sacrifice for sins. (Hebrews 10:1-14)
The blood of Jesus Christ will JUSTIFY all who believe in Him! (Romans 5:8-9)
Any person can be JUSTIFIED by FAITH in Jesus Christ, and have PEACE with God. (Romans 5:1)
God’s so LOVED the world that He gave His Son Jesus Christ for ALL! (John 3:15-21)
Every true born again Bible believing Christian is a Priest unto God now! (1 Peter 2:4-10, Revelation 1:6)
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 10:48am On Sep 03, 2011|
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by globexl: 6:26pm On Sep 04, 2011|
Thank you Frosbel for confirming the shallowness of your own faith. the catholic church is the mothe rof all christian churches. Every christian sect and denomination sprang from it directly or indirectly. The bible that love to so much from, was assembled and put together by a synod of catholic bishops around 300AD to 325AD. The devinity of Jesus inserted into the gospels by catholic bishops at the council of Nicea in 325AD.
My point is , if the mother church is evil and fraudulent as you are alleging, then all of her offsrpings and progenys cannot be any different. An Vulture cannot give birth to doves.
If the catholic church was founded on fraud, then the entire ediffice of christianity therefore stands on the same fraud. How can it be any different.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 7:39pm On Sep 04, 2011|
If after reading the above, you still doubt that the Catholic church is the Harlot church , then you deserve to be deceived.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by Rich4god(m): 7:40am On Sep 05, 2011|
There is something i want you to know, You are here bashing the Roman Catholic Church, has it ever occured to you that without the RCC, the population of Xtian on this earth would be less than 3%, Go read your history, you will get to know that Muslims were on the verge of conquering the whole of Xtian dominated countries before the Pope called for CRUSADEs, Mind you, all the middle east were xtians before the time of Muhammed (as), I can still remember also that Spain, France were conquered by the Muslims before the CRUSADEs. I guess, that with the RCC, you would have been a muslim.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 8:46am On Sep 05, 2011|
I am not bashing the Roman Catholic church , I am stating facts and truths which you refuse to comprehend, may God open your eyes.
The catholic church is jam packed with every heresy imaginable to mankind.
False harlot church it is .
Like it or Leave.
Your soul is more important to me that making you happy with compromising statements.
Jesus Loves you, quit Mary worship and follow him and him alone.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by IyaWitch(f): 8:55am On Sep 05, 2011|
Kneel down. Omo MAMA IKA.
You not understand the real happening. This is complex from of continous blood draining and initiation which witch initaited long ago.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 8:56am On Sep 05, 2011|
For goodness sake , what is a witch doing here
I rebuke you
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by IyaWitch(f): 9:01am On Sep 05, 2011|
Kneel down Frosbel. Omo MAMA IKA.
I rebuke you
You are not in position to rebuke witch. Witch is in position of mastership and in natural order of things eat your blood and drain your life. So understand correctly.
Witch go where witch want. I am here because of transubstantiation you mentioned. I can educate you it is complex system of draining and also of initiation. The repeated energies is part of the draining of the man Jesus which is still being done by GREAT WITCH today in deep dark pit at the bottom of the downward spiral of blood.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by mymanmywom: 10:26pm On Sep 05, 2011|
Hey frosbel, i give you kudos for showing your typing skills on the topic of transubstantiation you raised, apart from that the rest is meaningless.
could you please shed light on the following:
you said you ve left the catholic church so which church do you now attend or are you not proud of your new church?
secondly when Jesus broke the bread in the bible and says this is my body are you saying that piece of bread changed in appearance to Jesus flesh? and the wine Jesus blood,while the catholic church eucharist according to you still tastes like bread.
When Jesus said it should be done in remembrance of him what was he referring to as you did not explain this either.
Since you are so good enough to condemn what you believe in your great mind to be false please kindly explain to us exactly what happened at the last supper sir.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by peeceelove(m): 4:24pm On Sep 06, 2011|
Frobel, please what church do u now attend? pls i want know.
Globexl have said it all, i would just advise u to start ur own religion, write ur own bible or doctrin. in short just do anything that has no link with the BIBLE THAT THE ROMAN CHURCH ASSEMBLED. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN just do ur own thing, remember is a free world.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 6:29pm On Sep 06, 2011|
A false church is FALSE though you may try to pretend that Catholic church, that apostate Beast is mainstream.
Far be this from the truth and God forbid it be so.!!!!!
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 6:30pm On Sep 06, 2011|
Quote me anywhere anytime , anyhow , the catholic church is the mother of all Harlot churches.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by bouzymill2: 7:15pm On Sep 06, 2011|
I really think you need to slow down on your posts. I know you're talking about the Roman Catholics and I'm a Muslim. It's not my business really. But what gives me this concern is, I realize you are reading things from anywhere and anyhow you see them. ain't nothing wrong with seeking knowledge and knowing little things about many things but I have realized that you only seek knowledge but you lack the wisdom to understand them.
There's a big difference between knowledge and wisdom. . . and a concept that is so far from these two is "Divine or Spiritual wisdom". We all can read anything from the scriptures and interpret them to match our modern day knowledge or the limit of our wisdom, but for one to understand concepts that have to do with religion or spiritual issues, We need to seek wisdom fro m God to lead us through the right path and help us to interpret our knowledge.
When someone has the urge for seeking knowledge but lacks divine wisdom, he questions everything around him, and ask blasphemous questions. . . Say blasphemous things. When he's done with points outside things around him, He starts to question is own belief system, He starts to ask why why why? and this is where the madness comes in. We see people like them in our gathering, and we mere mortals see them as being knowledgeable but slightly abnormal. Not knowing God is taking his soul little by little. People like that commits suicide.
My point outside all those blah blah is, Seek God's wisdom while reaching for misleading books and websites that you often read from cos one day, one of the websites or books will tell you, there's nothing like Jesus, and you would start questioning that too.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 10:19pm On Sep 06, 2011|
Thanks for your lengthy article but I am not swayed by popular opinion.
I stand my ground , having read the Quran and Bible myself, my opinions have been formed out of Common sense.
Islam is not the truth but a LIE and so is Catholicism and I make absolutely no apologies for saying this.
Both false religions seek to usurp Christ but shall be severely dealt with when he returns soon !!!
Your Pope and Muhammad are leading billions to an eternal lake of fire and you think this is a laughing matter , or one we should ignore and just shut up ?
Souls are at stake here
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by Rich4god(m): 8:41am On Sep 07, 2011|
Frosbel, why are you running away from the question that mymanmywon asked you. Plz answer it.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by Rich4god(m): 9:11am On Sep 07, 2011|
Frosbel, i have watched you post for a long time now, and my conclusion is that "you are either an Athiest or a Pagan", cos the way you bash Muslims and catholics (infact all xtians) shows that you are out to discredit them, or maybe you are being paid to do so. All you argument lack points/proofs and when i try to see a sense in what you post, i end up discovering that you are very, very, very wrong. Please keep you belief to yourself. Jesus said to His disciple, "what ever you bound on earth, so it is in heaven and what ever you loose on earth, so it is in heaven", so plz frosbel, leave the church (xtians) alone what ever they are doing now, so it is in heaven. And lastly, "the gate of hell cannot prevail against the church" (words of our Lord), so if all the churcher are false as you claim, it means Christ has failed. what ever you loose on earth, so it is in heaven", so plz frosbel, leave the church (xtians) alone what ever they are doing now, so it is in heaven. And lastly, "the gate of hell cannot prevail against the church" (words of our Lord), so if all the churcher are false as you claim, it means Christ has failed.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 10:04am On Sep 07, 2011|
Frosbel, i have watched you post for a long time now, and my conclusion is that "you are either an Athiest or a Pagan"
I am a born again Christian, please read my post ' its simple' .
Why must Catholics and Muslims turn the worship of the one and true GOD into a chore with so many additions and subtractions, it almost beggars belief.
All you need is your bible , a sincere heart , a desire and love for GOD , and a concern for the lost.
cos the way you bash Muslims and catholics (infact all xtians) shows that you are out to discredit them, or maybe you are being paid to do so.
I do not get paid to
All you argument lack points/proofs and when i try to see a sense in what you post, i end up discovering that you are very, very, very wrong. Please keep you belief to yourself. Jesus said to His disciple,
It is you Catholics and Muslims I am after, I will never leave you alone - Half of family is catholic , I managed to pull out the other half and still working.
"what ever you bound on earth, so it is in heaven and what ever you loose on earth, so it is in heaven", so plz frosbel, leave the church (xtians) alone what ever they are doing now, so it is in heaven. And lastly, "the gate of hell cannot prevail against the church" (words of our Lord),
Please stop misquoting the bible , ask God for wisdom and revelation to understand these words you just mentioned. Your priets cannot tell you what the meaning is, why do you need a 'father' anyway to explain the bible to you , or don't you have the Holy Spirit of GOD
so if all the churcher are false as you claim,
The church of Christ is as firm as a rock.
His children are in all sorts of places, scatterred all over in various churches , they may be part of the physical group but in Spirit are true followers of Jesus, Holy , Pure and undefiled.
"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,"- 1 Peter 1:1
it means Christ has failed.
Typical catholic blasphemy . if the pope is wrong then Christ is wrong and has failed , right
Well totally wrong , Jesus Christ is the head of the church , not that Lying POPE .
"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." - Ephesians 5:23
what ever you loose on earth, so it is in heaven"
Amen to that
so plz frosbel, leave the church (xtians) alone what ever they are doing now, so it is in heaven.
I am surrounded with Christian brethren here on Nairaland, in Nigeria and UK. So not sure what you are talking about.
Catholic church is a beast of a church , a church of blasphemy and heresy
And lastly, "the gate of hell cannot prevail against the church" (words of our Lord), so if all the churcher are false as you claim, it means Christ has failed.
The gates of HELL , will not prevail against the TRUE CHURCH of Christ but the FALSE CATHOLIC SYSTEM will FALL !!!!
Right now the church is alive and well but I confess it is growing faster in the middle east and Asiatic countries in general, Eastern Europe, Africa etc etc.
God is not looking for earthly minded, carnal, worldly minded, sinful and rebellious so called Christians.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by mymanmywom: 10:54am On Sep 07, 2011|
Its very obvious frosbel is "frustrated" and not frosbel
True christians are not evasive and arrogant like him.
he comes up each time with new baseless and antibible statements, you can imagine a christian(frosbel) saying why do you need a pastor to teach you the word of God. so in your new church you do not have a pastor? even though you refused to tell us the name of your new church. There is no point giving you examples from the bible as you seem to be the type that doesnt want to learn. even if you are anti islam and antipope, must you also be anti bilbe?
May the good lord open your eyes to the truth. There is no point replying to any of your antibible threads anymore but i will continue to pray for you to be and practice the christianity as written in the scriptures.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by frosbel(m): 11:23am On Sep 07, 2011|
Please don't reply.
It is obvious from your post that the reason why deception abounds, is that there are those who are willing to be deceived.
Let's look for those lost sheep who are not intentionally deceived but misled by false prophets and rescue them.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by bouzymill2: 1:24pm On Sep 07, 2011|
WHEN EVERYONE FEELS THE SAME WAY ABOUT ONE PERSON, AND THAT PERSON THINKS, "NO, HE'S THE ONLY PERSON THAT KNOWS IT ALL" . . . THEN YOU KNOW SOMETHING ELSE ABOUNDS
I told you, if you're nt careful with the way you're going. . . they will seriously need to help you before you commit suicide because you hate everything around you. I'm sure you will go and collect 'Akwhat Akwop' form.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by italo: 1:39pm On Sep 07, 2011|
You are trying to use the Bible to prove that transubstantiation is a hoax. My question now is, how do we know that the Bible is entirely true and is the word of God? Because if it's not, then you can't tender it as an evidence that transubstantiation is a hoax. I'll appreciate a short and direct answer, thanks.
|Re: Doctrines Of Devils: The Great Roman Catholic Hoax Called Transubstantiation! by bouzymill2: 2:04pm On Sep 07, 2011|
It's funny because he will not answer your question. Many people think he does the "no answering" thing intentionally. However, the real point is he doesn't have any intellectual input to all the things he usually posts. what he does is to go to all these conspiracy theorist websites and copy BS. So he needs to find another article that answers your question. if he cant find it, then it turns it to " you are a lost soul bla bla bla"
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