woginid967:
■ This is bad but i feel your family was not desperate enough.
At least let him remain alive then you can all quit church. Payment before results doesn't work.... He should have gone to check first. Wetin I know

1. The family was not desperate enough?

SultanOfAbia:
■ somebody that even went to USA for chemotherapy.
Spent lots of money in India. This pastor at the beginning was telling him to ignore doctors report and have faith in God. When it got worse pastor invited him for miracle healing.
His wife was very desperate, she planned to take him to isreal weeks before he died

1. Did you uncle abandon doctors to follow con men aka pastor advice?

woginid967:
■ How many pastors did you go. There are free correct ones
Tb Joshua's sons all over the country. Jeremiah fufeyin
■ Healing school with pastor Chris is there o. Mediluck on youtube is there.... She can detect if its spiritual or physical and give you solutions.... So which one is india and all that. Even in india forget hospital i know places to go

These are the free correct ones abi? So all those who have equally been conned by your free correct ones like OP's uncle are what? You choose to be blind to those?

2. Healing school wey their con job dey online for everyone to see for free? Na ordinary people like you wey dem dey use propagate their lies be the major problem.

woginid967:


How many pastors did you go
There are free correct ones

Tb Joshua's sons all over the country
Jeremiah fufeyin
Healing school with pastor Chris is there o
Mediluck on youtube is there.... She can detect if its spiritual or physical and give you solutions....



So which one is india and all that. Even in india forget hospital i know places to go

Like this, I need prayers ooo, please where can you direct me?

SweetBuns:
■ if your story is indeed true, then I'm really sorry for your loss.
But still, you shouldn't write off all MoG because of one bad experience with people who called themselves into ministry. Have you heard of the Healing Streams by Pastor Chris Oyakhilome?
■ Go and do your homework, and see true miracles unfold. Stop looking at the world through a keyhole when there is a whole balcony avaliable to you.Again, I'm sorry for your loss

1. Make una dey use una head abeg! If your Chris's Healing stream even worked 1%, don't you think that the world have been aware of that by now and even documented and put it up against science itself? Stop deceiving yourselves with these silly claims. The man himself frequents the hospital when he is sick, so what does that tell you?

2. Even unbelievers who have never prayed a day in their lives equally experience some of the very same miracles you attribute to men like Chris, why? Because it is not Chris but God that pours out the same exact mercies daily on even the wicked and the ungrateful that he pours out on you churchians. Convincing yourselves that "Chris did it" is where you shoot yourselves in the foot, and head.

Churches are not useless,it's the followers and the pastors that are practicing it wrongly especially in the African continent.
There is this wrong notion that it Is the pastor that will heal you and solve your spiritual problems,no,the church is to build your faith and beliefs,and when is done every other thing Will fall in place.
Many pastors has noticed this and they have taken great advantage of it to swindle guilible adherents.
Church is not useless.

woginid967:


This is bad but i feel your family was not desperate enough.


At least let him remain alive then you can all quit church. Payment before results doesn't work.... He should have gone to check first.

Wetin I know

Care to explain this thing you said?

godliman:
■
Look the subject of healing is delicate, God heals heals who he wills not the pastor. Some pastors love money. That church should have asked your uncle to go for a test before claiming he is healed. They should be raising money to support him not collecting from him. So churches are not useless, the one your uncle attended messed up big time. Ask the family of Late Deborah Samuel if you are in doubt. If I were that pastor I will return your uncle's donation frankly.

God also heals people who don't believe in God including those who claim to hate Him; His healings are not in anyway attached to churches because instead God pours out His mercy/kindness daily on mankind, even on the wicked and the ungrateful. Your churches are simply fraud houses where people are taken advantage of by men who use the name of God to do so.

Sorry for your loss

coputa:
Churches are not useless,it's the followers and the pastors that are practicing it wrongly especially in the African continent.
There is this wrong notion that it Is the pastor that will heal you and solve your spiritual problems,no,the church is to build your faith and beliefs,and when is done every other thing Will fall in place.
Many pastors has noticed this and they have taken great advantage of it to swindle guilible adherents.
Church is not useless.

Churches in Nigeria are very much useless..

In other words you're saying the man's faith wasn't strong enough and that's why he died. Asides from visiting a pastor, you think the man didn't pray?

So what the hell happened then?

Draslo:

Care to explain this thing you said?

They didn't have enough faith.

I agree that there are many scam pastors now, infact listening to radio is enough to know

The ones that are not selling oil and water are doing marketing for travel agents to carry people to Israel and Jordan

But you must understand that God only heals not any pastor

Jesus Christ told the blind man He heal, not to go back to sin else worst thing would happen

Do you know some things are punishment from a misdeed and sin


Everyone is going to die, and the utmost is that you reach heaven

Many of the apostles were killed in gruesome ways, but they already saw where they were going


Either in pain or not, the utmost is to serve God and be holy

1Sharon:


They didn't have enough faith.

Please don't make me angry this morning. Where you there with us??
Do you know my uncle was a praying man. He prayed and fasted ocassionaly
Even before he got cancer. He prayed well. .he had string faith in God
So when I see people say his faith is not string I feel like slapping you guys.

Your uncle went to a man in this case with a title (Pastor) and not God. He should have gone to God and going to God doesn't necessarily mean stepping out to anywhere. Afterall,Jesus indicated that the best prayer are said on our knees,alone, behind closed doors. The pertinent issue is did he have a personal relationship with God. It is better to have that relationship with God and go to him in terms of crisis than to allow crisis compel us to rush to God for a miracle. Even at that even with a relationship with him anything can happen! Remember,he said he'll have mercy on whom he chooses! A relationship with him increases your chances of victory over troubles.

See,God is complete! He doesn't need you,it is you that needs him! So,you can decide to give up on God, he won't stop you for the same reason he hasn't compelled you to serve him!

SultanOfAbia:
One of my favorite uncle had cancer, he visited different churches. Looking for healing.
I remember one time I followed him to his pastors church.
They called him up for miracle healing
The pastor took my uncle to the altar and prayed and prayed, casting and binding together with the congregation

Then they both came out and the pastor said that my uncle had been healed. That he should do scam for the tumor.
The congregation shouted in praise
Pastor said that my uncle is already healed.
After program my uncle donate 400k to pastor.

On Monday, first thing we went to FMC and after the MRI scan. It turns out the tumor got bigger than before.

I watched my uncle slowly die in pain and agony upon all the prayers.
He lost faith in his pastor and other churches. He died 3 weeks later..

THE PASTOR REFUSED TO ANNOUNCE MY UNCLES DEATH BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HIS PRAYERS FAILED.

AFTER I NOTICED THIS
I VOWED NOT TO ENTER ANY CHURCH
THEY ARE BUNCH OF SCAMMERS SELLING HOPE FOR THE MASSES.

1Sharon:


They didn't have enough faith.

It's the same thing. Desperate people will pour their faith into anything

1Sharon:


Churches in Nigeria are very much useless..

In other words you're saying the man's faith wasn't strong enough and that's why he died. Asides from visiting a pastor, you think the man didn't pray?

So what the hell happened then?

Is mostly when you are doing the right thing that God's grace normally got activated.As a student you must study hard to pass your exams first before praying for grace, ditto a sick person who is sick should see a doctor for proper diagnosis and treatment first before backing it with prayers and maybe healing from a pastor.
The pastor is not a doctor to consult when you are sick,the pastor is not your books to consult when you want to pass your exam.Grace always visits at the place of your works,Works in all ramifications.Grace doesn't come when you are doing the wrong thing.

Kobojunkie:
God also heals people who don't believe in God including those who claim to hate Him; His healings are not in anyway attached to churches because instead God pours out His mercy/kindness daily on mankind, even on the wicked and the ungrateful. Your churches are simply fraud houses where people are taken advantage of by men who use the name of God to do so.

How does God pour blessing on the wicked,is it temporary blessings of the wicked that you termed God's blessings.Some wealthy people who got their wealth from the devil,some decades ago,are now the poorest in their locality.God's blessings endureth forever., the devil's is for a while.

coputa:
Is mostly when you are doing the right thing that God's grace normally got activated.As a student you must study hard to pass your exams first before praying for grace, ditto a sick person who is sick should see a doctor for proper diagnosis and treatment first before backing it with prayers and maybe healing from a pastor.
The pastor is not a doctor to consult when you are sick,the pastor is not your books to consult when you want to pass your exam.Grace always visits at the place of your works,Works in all ramifications.Grace doesn't come when you are doing the wrong thing.

Jesus that healed randim people on the spot. Did Jesus ask them for doctors report first before healing

This man went to many hospitals and was they found tumor. They told him he does not have much time left.
The medical field already told him he has 50/50 chance of survival. They still told him to try chemotherapy which was expensive. So as a religious man he is
He did chemotherapy and after that he came back to Nigeria and meet his pastor and his pastor told him to if ore what doctor said that Jesus will heal him completely.

IamANigerianMan:

May his soul rest in peace, bro, the truth is that God works wonders and perform miracles not a pastor, please , note, God is not a magician he is a miracle worker, God is not babalawo, God is God, your uncle cannot start run from church to church because he needed miracle, how was his relationship with God? Does he know what God says concerning his heath in the bible? 3Jn2, Ps103:1-3, Ps91:14,16, Jer 30:17, 17,14, Ex 15:26, Ex 23:25-26 etc brother let be genuine with God and enjoy our inheritance (Divine health) instead running to God in sin.. I pray your own life is useful to God now.

God is not a magician but your Bible says "IT" parted the Red Sea?

Not a magician yet Moses' rod turned into a snake, and the snake went on to swallow three other snakes which belonged to other magicians and afterwards returned to a snake.

Not a magician the rivers turned into a pool of blood in Egypt?

Not a magician yet Elia's(Elijah) called down fire from heaven and killed the first 2 50s of the soldiers who were sent to arrest him

Not a magician yet Elisha poured in a handful of salt into the river and the water became healed instantly. Elisha my guy even used Elijah's mantle, smote the sea and it came in two whence Elisha walked back on dry land

Not a magician, Jesus healed the person with a withered hand and the hand reinvigorated instantly at the presence of the Pharisees, Sadducees, High Priests, Teachers, Scholars, Tax collectors, Soldiers and even commoners.

Not a magician yet Jesus laid hand on the woman who had the spirit of infirmity and she was healed while he yet speak

Not a Magician yet Oral Roberts only held hands with people and they were said to be cured of all kinda disease.

Not a Magician yet when Reinhard Bonnke came to Nigeria in 2006 , more than 100 thousands of people were said to have been cured of all kinds of sicknesses and diseases, even blindness and paralysis.

Not a magician yet Benny Hinn, Oyakhilome, Peter Popoff and many more always hold open "staged" healing services. In one of Benny Hinn crusades , about 10 people were recorded to be healed cured of cancer.

Now tell me since you are the spokeperson and the P.A of this God, What is the difference between miracles and magic(I'm not saying an illusion). I mean a real Magic.

When God does something ,He is a miracle worker, but when he does not, He is not a Magician. Walahi Talahi, ẹ̀ń ṣi èrè

Jakumo:
It is reassuring to note that a FEW Nigerians are finally freeing their minds from the brainwashing of charlatan miracle pastors who trick people into handing over their salaries in exchange for bogus tall tales promising wealth, magic cures, more rampant sex and any number of delightful illusions they know to be desired by the gullible sheep in their flocks.

It will be a cold day in hell before ANY pastor, witch doctor or Babalawo will lay their filthy money-grubbing paws on one solitary dime of my disposable income. Rather than hand over my money to a fucking pastor, I would rather bundle up those currency notes and put them to productive use as bathroom tissue, since the benefit of such madness would at the very least prove tangible and visible.

Any time a person in my immediate vicinity claims to be a personal assistant to Papa God, I grip my wallet tightly and retreat from the area, while looking around furtively so as not to be taken by surprise if any accomplices of such con men might be sneaking up on me during such an unsolicited sermon.

Comrade your own no go spoil.
Your matter no go plakotoria, your life go soft. Your ways go easy.

Me I dey package my money dey enter orphanages, dey enter lungu where beggars dey normal normal.
If any pastor or Imam or herbalist wan whine me street lasan abi any of my relative wey I like, I fit tear am slap, come even arrange boys make them run am level.

SultanOfAbia:
One of my favorite uncle had cancer, he visited different churches. Looking for healing.
I remember one time I followed him to his pastors church.
They called him up for miracle healing
The pastor took my uncle to the altar and prayed and prayed, casting and binding together with the congregation

Then they both came out and the pastor said that my uncle had been healed. That he should do scam for the tumor.
The congregation shouted in praise
Pastor said that my uncle is already healed.
After program my uncle donate 400k to pastor.

On Monday, first thing we went to FMC and after the MRI scan. It turns out the tumor got bigger than before.

I watched my uncle slowly die in pain and agony upon all the prayers.
He lost faith in his pastor and other churches. He died 3 weeks later..

THE PASTOR REFUSED TO ANNOUNCE MY UNCLES DEATH BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HIS PRAYERS FAILED.

AFTER I NOTICED THIS
I VOWED NOT TO ENTER ANY CHURCH
THEY ARE BUNCH OF SCAMMERS SELLING HOPE FOR THE MASSES.

Sorry for your loss. I guess its a prostate cancer, right? We have poor cancer awareness in the country, even amongst health workers. And citizens hand their health over to a porn watching, popcorn munching sky daddy

SultanOfAbia:
somebody that even went to USA for chemotherapy.
Spent lots of money in India
This pastor at the beginning was telling him to ignore doctors report and have faith in God. When it got worse pastor invited him for miracle healing.
His wife was very desperate, she planned to take him to isreal weeks before he died

Was the chemo working? Was it a prostate ish?

northbird:


Sorry about the loss.. it's painful. But miracles are real....But .. the most important factor in invoking the miracle is always the subject/sick person.
"The just shall live by his faith"

Not the preacher's faith,or pastor's faith or congregation faith, but your own faith. Most people don't know this open truth.

Faith comes by raising your consciousness through self affirmations of healing verses ( repetitive confession ,like 7 times daily of different verses .In the orients, it's known as chanting mantras.. Till the verses enters the subconscious, where instructions will be given to the cancerous cells to stop replication and begin the restorative process at the cellular level.

The body has the power to heal itself, it's a latent power ,most people don't engage it.
Drugs and medical intervention just aid. The real healing is from the host/body itself

Lazarus wey die wey Jesus wake up which faith him get?

The mad man from whom Jesus sent out a legion of spirits which faith him get?

When Jesus told Peter and Andrew to re-cast their net into the waters; they even ensued in an argument with Jesus to show the highest level of unbelief, yet they still caught much fishes despite their level of unbelief

In Mark 9:20-26 lemme post just verse 24, 'The father instantly cried out, “I do believe, but help me overcome my unbelief!”'

And at the end it the day, that man's child was healed despite his unbelief.

We can see several places in the Bible where many people who never had faith received bountiful miracles.

You always find excuse for your God whenever he fails to live up to his hype. Now it was the man's faith; someone who refused going oversea for some random church didn't have faith?
Do you guys think with your shoes, what took him to church in the first place if not his faith in Jesus .
Why didn't he go to the mosque.

SweetBuns:
In as much as I'd have liked to believe your story and sympathize with you, I still have to take everything here with a grain of salt because this is a faceless forum where anybody can claim to be somebody who did/experienced xyz.

If your story is indeed true, then I'm really sorry for your loss.
But still, you shouldn't write off all MoG because of one bad experience with people who called themselves into ministry. Have you heard of the Healing Streams by Pastor Chris Oyakhilome?

Go and do your homework, and see true miracles unfold
Stop looking at the world through a keyhole when there is a whole balcony avaliable to you.

Again, I'm sorry for your loss

All na scam
The press dont take pictures at his 'healing' sessions .
And recently got into trouble with South African authorities cos of it

ChybuzzDD:


Just pray you don't get cancer or any other terminal disease one of these days.

You'll be forced to learn the truth about religion

..and those that have cancer got healed by your Yahweh?

SultanOfAbia:

Please don't make me angry this morning. Where you there with us??
Do you know my uncle was a praying man. He prayed and fasted ocassionaly
Even before he got cancer. He prayed well. .he had string faith in God
So when I see people say his faith is not string I feel like slapping you guys.

Bro no mind them, by the time they see real life issues or someone they really love faces real life issues and their God whom they believe in so much disappears on them, then their eyes will be opened.
They are always finding excuses for their imaginary God

Westerhoffe:
Churches are not useless.

I'm sorry about the loss of your uncle, but too many things are just not right in the pictures.

The isue with most of you is that, you don't really have faith in GOD, but you want Him blasting miracles down on you before you can believe, meanwhile, the Bible says without faith, it is impossible to please GOD.

Why do you think JESUS CHRIST mostly tell those He healed that aacording to their faith, let it be unto them?

Your uncle sowing ₦400,000 as a seed shows he thought he is paying for the miracle he thought he has received.

The pastor collecting the money as a seed is a glutton who thinks he can sell GOD'S actions for money.

There are too many errors in the picture.

GOD cures and heals for real.
I have witnessed many of such live experiences.
But you see most of those moG who claims to bind and banish are only shouting that to make themselves relevant to the congregation. GOD does not work through a proud vessel who thinks they are the ones doing the works because they're a pastor/minister.

Who has the power to alter nature and even reverse it if not GOD?
Do you even know if that pastor is close enough to GOD to bring GOD'S hands down into action?

Miracles and healings are not done by the screamings and shoutings and groanings and belchings and jumpings of any pastors. Miracles are done by GOD. So what do you now expect when you go to a pastor for a miracle and not to GOD?

If your uncle had been healed, do you think that Pastor would have given GOD the glory or claimed it to himself as a strong moG?

He refused to announce your uncle had died because he doesn't want to be seen as someone whose prayers cannot heal like he is the one to make your uncle whole in GOD'S stead.

Know who you go to as a Man of GOD, because majority of those around now are men of the Bellies.

You just learnt a lesson the bitter way, that not all men are of GOD.

Have you seen an amputee limb regrow? Yes or no

coputa:
How does God pour blessing on the wicked,is it temporary blessings of the wicked that you termed God's blessings.Some wealthy people who got their wealth from the devil,some decades ago,are now the poorest in their locality.God's blessings endureth forever., the devil's is for a while.

Are you doing banters seriously, or are you for real?
Huh! This is 21st century bro. What temporary blessings are there on your politicians? Just dey there dey whine yourself.

Are you saying even people who made their money in a legit way don't go broke as well? What about Donald Trump who was a billionaire, bursted all his money to zero dollar and became a billionaire again?

What of Napoleon Hills? A man who was so rich but later died a broke man.

What of John Law? The richest man on Earth about 300 years ago, as a matter of fact he was the father of paper money yet he died pennyless; and many more , I can mention many on a roll.
Okay, those ones are white.
What of Anabor? A Nigerian billionaire who built his fortune thru hard labour and sweat, yet, ended up a taxi driver.
What of Chief Francis a very rich man in Oyo Town in the 90s and early 2000 who also built his wealth thru hard labour but ended up broke.

Nonetheless we've seen many people who got their wealth illegally and are still enjoying it since more then 50 years back to back.

I would have been tempted to mention names but this is a faceless forum.

Bro no dey whine yourself, God no dey give anybody blessings.

woginid967:


You think i am just gistin?

Bro I have been healed before.... It works.... Na una no know how to waka .

Men dey.... Legit Spiritual work dey wey dey work fast.

Healed of what, sir?

jaephoenix:

Have you seen an amputee limb regrow? Yes or no

With GOD, all things are possible.

FRANCISTOWN:

Abobi biko, no just vex people here. Them no get faith for inside Jesus yet them carry am go church.
No be in Jesus name the pastor take pray? Why them no carry am go mosque or shrine?

Una go dey do like say na una Sabi pass.
So them do wrongly unto say them carry the man go Church huh? Akwana? Those ones wey them dey carry go TB Joshua wey them go dey alright nko?(though we know say all those ones na staged)

And how e take wrong say people believe in their pastors? Even the buybull encourages the faithfool to believe in their pastors
2Chro 20:20 "....Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper. " .

When the children of Isrealites needed anything, they went straight to their prophets, because prophets are said to be the mouth piece of God.

It's obvious you guys don't know anything about that book you carry about.

I can give you many instances in the Bible where believing in prophets yielded good results. So stop acting like you know all

Ask him if the daughter of the centurion that was allegedly healed by Jesus had faith

IamANigerianMan:

May his soul rest in peace, bro, the truth is that God works wonders and perform miracles not a pastor, please , note, God is not a magician he is a miracle worker, God is not babalawo, God is God, your uncle cannot start run from church to church because he needed miracle, how was his relationship with God? Does he know what God says concerning his heath in the bible? 3Jn2, Ps103:1-3, Ps91:14,16, Jer 30:17, 17,14, Ex 15:26, Ex 23:25-26 etc brother let be genuine with God and enjoy our inheritance (Divine health) instead running to God in sin.. I pray your own life is useful to God now.

Have you seen an amputee healed