The devil who is responsible for causing humans to sin has been left to roam the earth, while humans are being made to face punishment by death for their sins since the beginning of their existence. According to the Bible the earth was flooded with water just because God wants to get rid of sinners, after the flood humans still continued to sin, again Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for their sins and again people still continue to sin even till this day.

In the quest of putting and end to a problem, it is required to deal with the root cause of the problem to prevent that same problem from reoccurring. Now my question is, why has the devil and his agents who are the architect of sin not being destroyed as a final solution to completely get rid of sin? is he an immortal being that cannot be destroyed by the "creator of all things"?

God and Devil are metaphores for the polarities of Magneto-Electric Universe. Opposing forces produced from perturbation of energy vibration.

So your question does not exist, because in collapsing one, the other ceases to exist.

For low consciousness bandwidth entities, what it means is that without God, there is no Devil and vice-versa. Without + (plus) there is no -(minus) except 0 (null set). Which is the default state of existence prior to life.

Devil is needed to balance nature

Just like electricity needing positive and negative terminals

TheBillyonaire:
God and Devil are metaphores for the polarities of Magneto-Electric Universe. Opposing forces produced from perturbation of energy vibration.

So your question does not exist, because in collapsing one, the other ceases to exist.

For low consciousness bandwidth entities, what it means is that without God, there is no Devil and vice-versa. Without + (plus) there is no -(minus) except 0 (null set). Which is the default state of existence prior to life.

from all that you said, you ended up saying nothing meaningful.

solmusdesigns:
Devil is needed to balance nature

Just like electricity needing positive and negative terminals

this got to be the stupidest comparison ever

solmusdesigns:
Devil is needed to balance nature

Just like electricity needing positive and negative terminals

Correct.

mysticwarrior:
The devil who is responsible for causing humans to sin has been left to roam the earth

Do you aware that the Devil has been judged since?

while humans are being made to face punishment by death for their sins since the beginning of their existence.

Not from the beginning of their existence, and the instruction was very cleared on that.

According to the Bible the earth was flooded with water just because God wants to get rid of sinners

No! You didn't read your Bible very well. It's part of the punishment for the disobedient.

after the flood humans still continued to sin, again Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for their sins and again people still continue to sin even till this day.

Many people are living in different areas when God destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah, so it can't be to eliminate sin but to call people to repentance.

In the quest of putting and end to a problem, it is required to deal with the root cause of the problem to prevent that same problem from reoccurring.

You're right and God has done that by giving us another Adam in which our salvation anchor when the time God has chosen to bring judgement to the world those find in Him will be saved.

Now my question is, why has the devil and his agents who are the architect of sin not being destroyed as a final solution to completely get rid of sin? is he an immortal being that cannot be destroyed by the "creator of all things"?

Devil and his agents have been judged with everlasting destruction

The devil is a Roman Catholic construct...there is only God( conciouseness)

Light and darkness are complimentary forces..
We need both to survive...

mysticwarrior:

Why has the devil and his agents who are the architect of sin not being destroyed as a final solution to completely get rid of sin?

Is he an immortal being that cannot be destroyed by the "creator of all things"?

The devil has received his sentence right in the garden of Eden:

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel" Genesis 3:15

Satan knew from that day that a human son of God will exterminate him so he keeps looking for who this person will be but Satan only need to make this son of God rebel against God the same way he caused Adam to do, if that should happen mankind will be destroyed forever and the righteousness of any human will be in vain.

But when Jesus came he was battle prepared to remain faithful to God throughout his human experience so Satan organized faithless miscreants among those who are supposed to work with Jesus (Jews) to maltreat Jesus and make all his effort fruitless. They killed Jesus and scattered his disciples but Jesus succeeded in establishing a group whose name will last till the endtime.

The endtime is when Jesus will be ordered by God to destroy Satan and all demons but before then mankind must be fully informed about what happened from the beginning and how to remain faithful to God's plan.

That's what Jesus' true disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) are doing today!

A global family of peace loving worshipers has sufficed through their effort {Isaiah 2:2-4} only few places are left untouched so God's Kingdom will come when Jesus arrest Satan and all his cohorts (demons) he will render all of them inactive {Revelations 20:1-2} for 1,000 years mankind will enjoy the blessings of Christ's rulership.

Ọmọ can you imagine what we will enjoy when Jesus began ruling the earth without Satan and his demons on this planet?

No wonder Jesus promised a dying criminal:

“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise" Luke 23:43

That thief will be resurrected when all evildoers are gone for good! Psalms 37:9-11

paxonel:
Who is God? and
Who is the devil?

The devil is against God, and God is against the devil.

Jesus says ...whosever believes in me should not perish but have everlasting life

And he also said I'm the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the father except through me

That implies that, whatsoever you believe order than Jesus Christ is the devil.
Meaning, Islam can be the devil
Atheism can be the devil
Judaism can be the devil
Buddhism can be the devil
Traditional deities or idols can be the devil

Have you ever heard the saying that God is a jealous God?
Any religion you believe in, order than Christ can be the devil

So, you can see that the concept of the devil isn't something real just like atheists will say God isn't real.

For those of you that says the devil is responsible for your misfortune or God is responsible for your fortune, ya' all are joking

God only gives life, while the devil does not

Can a car tyre be against innoson (of innoson motors)??
Does it make any sense?

sonmvayina:


Can a car tyre be against innoson (of innoson motors)??
Does it make any sense?

no, it does not make any sense.

Now, how does that illustration applies?

@AkinwaleJJ post=123556702]

The devil has received his sentence right in the garden of Eden:


It was the Serpent whom the devil used to tempt Eve that was punished following the event that occurred in the garden of Eden.

Apartment from being thrown down from heaven by the almighty after the rebellion, wasn't there any other sentense necessary to put an end to the devil's evil campaign? Why wasn't his powers not taken from him? Why was he still allowed to roam freely?



"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel" Genesis 3:15

Why punishing the serpent that was used by the devil to deceive Eve instead of casting th devil into a lake of everlasting fire?

Satan knew from that day that a human son of God will exterminate him so he keeps looking for who this person will be but Satan only need to make this son of God rebel against God the same way he caused Adam to do, if that should happen mankind will be destroyed forever and the righteousness of any human will be in vain.


The endtime is when Jesus will be ordered by God to destroy Satan and all demons but before then mankind must be fully informed about what happened from the beginning and how to remain faithful to God's plan.

why wait till the end time before Jesus will be given an order to destroy Satan? He wasn't he made made to destroy Satan after he died on the the cross resurrected and given absolutely power?

mysticwarrior:

why wait till the end time before Jesus will be given an order to destroy Satan? He wasn't he made made to destroy Satan after he died on the the cross resurrected and given absolutely power?

Because God has a plan and we need to grasp His plan.
God's plan regarding salvation!

The FRUIT God warned the first couple not to eat connotes the right to rule over their fellow humans, they're not supposed to set standards for others rather all humans must rely on God's guidance regarding right and wrong. But Satan challenged God's right of being the only one who has the right to do so both Adam and Eve agreed with Satan's opinion.
So God must allow humans to try all the system of government they can think of before destroying Satan and rebellious humans.
From the first human ruler called Nimrod till today mankind has been changing from one system of government to another, when one fails Satan quickly will introduce another that's why God set a limit saying the last system of government man will introduce before He step in is "DEMOCRACY"
So it's when DEMOCRACY fail that God will set up a government that will not have nothing to do with tenure or what the majority say like DEMOCRACY.

Please read the Bible book of Daniel 2:44

If you need further clarification please don't hesitate to ask questions.

May you have PEACE!

paxonel:
no, it does not make any sense.

Now, how does that illustration applies?

The devil is a creation

It is an idol not a God..

Only God is God......

God and devil are different nature.......one is living, the other is not..just like the car and it's creator..

You understand now?

This is Isaiah 45:3-5..

Read verse 5 till it sinks in..

sonmvayina:


The devil is a creation

It is an idol not a God..

Only God is God......

God and devil are different nature.......one is living, the other is not..just like the car and it's creator..

You understand now?

This is Isaiah 45:3-5..

Read verse 5 till it sinks in..

ok

The devil is dead while God is alive

paxonel:
ok

The devil is dead while God is alive

The devil is an idol...

It can not influence anything......

It's like innoson and car battery or tyre....

It is what God has created it to do ..that is what it does...no more no less...

To put the devil in the same level is nothing short of insult...

TheBillyonaire:
God and Devil are metaphores for the polarities of Magneto-Electric Universe. Opposing forces produced from perturbation of energy vibration.

So your question does not exist, because in collapsing one, the other ceases to exist.

For low consciousness bandwidth entities, what it means is that without God, there is no Devil and vice-versa. Without + (plus) there is no -(minus) except 0 (null set). Which is the default state of existence prior to life.

Sir forget google there is so much to learn from you, teach me i beg you i need to be enlighten on what goes on in the universe i am ready to learn

7thgeneration:


Sir forget google there is so much to learn from you, teach me i beg you i need to be enlighten on what goes on in the universe i am ready to learn

Facts and Absolute Truth break faint hearted people.

From deductive reasoning, understand that there is no word like 'Human' in the Holy Books. So the Holy Books are programs older than this present World Order, and works all the time for any universe of cloned species. So each generation of cloned entities can use the Savior programs of the Matrix and the codes of Religions for mental programming as provided by the Designer and the team running this Universe.

The subject of Go(o)d and Evil (God & DEvil) is basically personalization of polarities of universe energy systems for the understanding of low-bandwidth beings.

But when your consciousness threshold is at a threshold that it integrates and knows that we are living in a simulated hologram as embodied individuated units of consciousness, then it becomes easy to understand the reason of God and Devil's existence has being sexy. Just sexy theories, nothing more. And its fun to be ignorant.

We are what we are. We are the fractals of the Super Intelligent Collective, and we continue to cycle back and forth in eternal enjoyment and sorrows of our existence in games called LifeTimes.

TheBillyonaire:


Facts and Absolute Truth break faint hearted people.
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From deductive reasoning, understand that there is no word like 'Human' in the Holy Books. So the Holy Books are programs older than this present World Ord[color=#000000]er, and works all the time for any universe of cloned species. So each generation of cloned entities can use the Savior programs of the Matrix and the codes of Religions for mental programming as provided by the Designer and the team running this Universe.

The subject of Go(o)d and Evil (God & DEvil) is basically personalization of polarities of universe energy systems for the understanding of low-bandwidth beings.

But when your consciousness threshold is at a threshold that it integrates and knows that we are living in a simulated hologram as embodied individuated units of consciousness, then it becomes easy to understand the reason of God and Devil's existence has being sexy. Just sexy theories, nothing more. And its fun to be ignorant.

We are what we are. We are the fractals of the Super Intelligent Collective, and we continue to cycle back and forth in eternal enjoyment and sorrows of our existence in games called LifeTimes.

Thanks for your input sir. But i am still befuddled by your words. I will be the happiest person on earth if you would be my master and teacher honestly.

mysticwarrior:
■ The devil who is responsible for causing humans to sin has been left to roam the earth, while humans are being made to face punishment by death for their sins since the beginning of their existence.
■ According to the Bible the earth was flooded with water just because God wants to get rid of sinners, after the flood humans still continued to sin, again Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for their sins and again people still continue to sin even till this day.
■ In the quest of putting and end to a problem, it is required to deal with the root cause of the problem to prevent that same problem from reoccurring. Now my question is, why has the devil and his agents who are the architect of sin not being destroyed as a final solution to completely get rid of sin? is he an immortal being that cannot be destroyed by the "creator of all things"?

1. The only one responsible for humans sinning is humans. The devil or Satan instead is merely a workman doing the job for which he was created which is to tempt men into doing evil. There is no indication that the devil is capable of evil himself. Throughout scripture, there is no entry to be found of the devil sinning against God. Rather, he is capable of tempting men to do evil. The option is left to men whether or do to do evil.

2. God did not flood the world to rid the world of evil. After all, scripture does not indicate that all of Noah's family members on the boat with him were without sin. So, the idea that God did it to rid the world of sin makes no sense. An argument could instead be made that the proportion of evil at the time was overwhelming and so God flooded the world to curb the population of evil at that time.

3. Your initial premise is shown to be wrong. This means that this assertion of yours fails. God created Satan to carry out His work, and satan has no hand in the committing of evil. Rather, men are responsible for the choices they make. That is what Scripture reveals.

Kobojunkie:
1. The only one responsible for humans sinning is humans. The devil or Satan instead is merely a workman doing the job for which he was created which is to tempt men into doing evil. There is no indication that the devil is capable of evil himself. Throughout scripture, there is no entry to be found of the devil sinning against God. Rather, he is capable of tempting men to do evil. The option is left to men whether or do to do evil.

2. God did not flood the world to rid the world of evil. After all, scripture does not indicate that all of Noah's family members on the boat with him were without sin. So, the idea that God did it to rid the world of sin makes no sense. An argument could instead be made that the proportion of evil at the time was overwhelming and so God flooded the world to curb the population of evil at that time.

3. Your initial premise is shown to be wrong. This means that this assertion of yours fails. God created Satan to carry out His work, and satan has no hand in the committing of evil. Rather, men are responsible for the choices they make. That is what Scripture reveals.

Thank you for explanation, however I I'm still confused about some points you rised. In Isaiah 14 vs 12," How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" From the passage above it is clear that the devil did something bad (evil) before he was chased out of heaven. And at the same time the book of Job recorded on two occasions how the (evil ) devil is always in meetings with God and his angels. How do we corelate the two sir.

ezeonline:
■ Thank you for explanation, however I I'm still confused about some points you rised. In Isaiah 14 vs 12," How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" From the passage above it is clear that the devil did something bad (evil) before he was chased out of heaven.
■ And at the same time the book of Job recorded on two occasions how the (evil ) devil is always in meetings with God and his angels. How do we corelate the two sir.

You are wrong in your assertion. Go back to Isaiah 14 and read the entire SONG again beginning from verse 4 all the way through to the end of it.

4 At that time you will begin to sing this song about the king of Babylon:
The king was cruel when he ruled us, but now his rule is finished.
5 The Lord breaks the scepter of evil rulers; he takes away their power.
6 In anger, the king of Babylon beat the people. He never stopped beating them. He was an evil ruler who ruled in anger. He never stopped hurting people.
7 But now, the whole country rests and is quiet. Now the people begin to celebrate.
8 You were an evil king, and now you are finished. Even the pine trees are happy. The cedar trees of Lebanon rejoice. They say, “The king chopped us down, but now the king has fallen, and he will never stand again.”
9 The place of death is excited that you are coming. Sheol is waking the spirits of all the leaders of the earth for you. Sheol is making the kings stand up from their thrones to meet you.
10 They will make fun of you, saying, “Now you are as dead as we are. Now you are just like us.”
11 Your pride has been sent down to Sheol. The music from your harps announces the coming of your proud spirit. Maggots will be the bed you lie on, and other worms will cover your body like a blanket.
12 You were like the morning star, but you have fallen from the sky. In the past, all the nations on earth bowed down before you, but now you have been cut down.
13 You always told yourself, “I will go to the skies above. I will put my throne above God’s stars. I will sit on Zaphon, the holy mountain where the gods meet.
14 I will go up to the altar above the tops of the clouds. I will be like God Most High.”
15 But that did not happen. You were brought down to the deep pit—Sheol, the place of death.
16 People will come to look at your dead body. They will think about you and say, “Is this the same man who caused great fear in all the kingdoms on earth,
17 who destroyed cities and turned the land into a desert, who captured people in war and would not let them go home?”
18 The kings of other nations lie buried with honor, each king with his own grave.
19 But you were thrown out of your grave like a branch cut from a tree and thrown away. You are like a dead man who fell in battle, trampled under the feet of other soldiers. Now you look like any other dead man wrapped in burial clothes.
20 Other kings have their own graves, but you will not join them, because you ruined your own country and killed your people.
So your wicked descendants will be stopped.
21 Prepare to kill his children because their father is guilty. His children will never take control of the land. They will never fill the world with their cities. - Isaiah 14 vs 4- 21

Lucifer is a foreign idea that was inserted by those who wished to romanticize aspects of the Song/Poem. There is no lucifer. The entire dirge/song/poem is about the King of Babylon, how he was raised and would be reduced by God of Israel, the one who sang the song regarding the destruction to befall Babylon after it had trampled His people, the nation of Judah for the 70 years decreed by God of Israel.

2. There is no Satan that was "chased" out of Heaven. Satan is one of God's servants and he reports his progress to God regularly too. The idea that Satan was a fallen angel, one called Lucifer, and so on, were all ideas created in the many doctrines and traditions of religion, including Christianity. None of those fables line up with the facts of Scripture.

Kobojunkie:
1. The only one responsible for humans sinning is humans. [b]The devil or Satan instead is merely a workman doing the job for which he was created which is to tempt men into doing evil. [/b]There is no indication that the devil is capable of evil himself. Throughout scripture, there is no entry to be found of the devil sinning against God. Rather, he is capable of tempting men to do evil. The option is left to men whether or do to do evil.

2. God did not flood the world to rid the world of evil. After all, scripture does not indicate that all of Noah's family members on the boat with him were without sin. So, the idea that God did it to rid the world of sin makes no sense. An argument could instead be made that the proportion of evil at the time was overwhelming and so God flooded the world to curb the population of evil at that time.

3. Your initial premise is shown to be wrong. This means that this assertion of yours fails. God created Satan to carry out His work, and satan has no hand in the committing of evil. Rather, men are responsible for the choices they make. That is what Scripture reveals.

Do you have any scriptural backup to your claims to prove that the Devil was created to tempt men?

mysticwarrior:
∆ Do you have any scriptural backup to your claims to prove that the Devil was created to tempt men?

Jesus Christ revealed this to you that the devil was a liar from his beginning. He always lies and he is the father of lies. - John 8 vs 44. He goes around lying seeking men to devour with his lies.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ revealed this to you that the devil was a liar from his beginning. He always lies and he is the father of lies. - John 8 vs 44. He goes around lying seeking men to devour with his lies.

You said "The devil or Satan instead is merely a workman doing the job for which he was created which is to tempt men into doing evil" Drop proves and fact that the devil was actually created for the purpose you claimed.

mysticwarrior:
∆ You said "The devil or Satan instead is merely a workman doing the job for which he was created which is to tempt men into doing evil" Drop proves and fact that the devil was actually created for the purpose you claimed.

I already did. A being created by God as a liar from his beginning has access to the God in Heaven. That could only mean one thing and it is that his lies do not render him unholy and his creator sanctions him as he is. If you don't see this for yourself it means you don't believe any of what is in fact written in that book.

Kobojunkie:
You are wrong in your assertion. Go back to Isaiah 14 and read the entire SONG again beginning from verse 4 all the way through to the end of it.

Lucifer is a foreign idea that was inserted by those who wished to romanticize aspects of the Song/Poem. There is no lucifer. The entire dirge/song/poem is about the King of Babylon, how he was raised and would be reduced by God of Israel, the one who sang the song regarding the destruction to befall Babylon after it had trampled His people, the nation of Judah for the 70 years decreed by God of Israel.

2. There is no Satan that was "chased" out of Heaven. Satan is one of God's servants and he reports his progress to God regularly too. The idea that Satan was a fallen angel, one called Lucifer, and so on, were all ideas created in the many doctrines and traditions of religion, including Christianity. None of those fables line up with the facts of Scripture.

Thank so much for the response. What you are saying in essence is that the devil is one of the message of God, if that is true then heaven and hell is just a myth.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

Jude 1:6

And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

Matthew 8:29

And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

Matthew 8:31

The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”

Luke 8:30-31
And Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion”; for many demons had entered him. They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss

Kindly educate me on your assertion and the bible passages above.

Thank you.

ezeonline:
■ Thank so much for the response. What you are saying in essence is that the devil is one of the message of God, if that is true then heaven and hell is just a myth.
Revelation 20:10...
2 Peter 2:4...
Jude 1:6...
Matthew 8:29...
Matthew 8:31...
Luke 8:30-31... Kindly educate me on your assertion and the bible passages above. Thank you.

Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are not myths. As Jesus Christ Himself explained in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, they are both located inside of the Kingdom of God. And the very same Jesus Christ said in John 3 vs 1 - 21 that it is only those who are born-again that can enter into the Kingdom of God.

Rather than quote verses from Scripture at random, I advise you to go back and read each within the context they were presented in Scripture. The overarching context in much of the New Covenant is the Kingdom of God. The King and Judge in the Kingdom of God explained in His Gospel that He is the King over Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) meaning that the one you call Satan is under His control and power. Read the Gospels like you would read through any book out there written by human hands, a human mind, and in human language; Read it as many times as you need to making sure to respect context rules as you do. That is how you come to a good understanding of what is written apart from all the many religious fables out there which have no connection to the Truth of God.

Ezeonline, if, for example, I asked you to interpret a dream I had would you apply literal interpretation to the details contained in that dream, my guess is your answer would be a no. So, why would you then literally consider the information presented in a book in which the author warned from the very first chapter is instead a book of dreams/visions?

9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
11 saying, “Write what you see(Visions/Dreams) in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.” - Revelations 1 vs 9 -11