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How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by logic101: 4:30pm On Oct 30, 2011
The evolution of the Egyptians as a nationality group is as interesting as their anti-African attitude, although the latter differs not at all from that of many mixed breeds with African blood elsewhere. It has been stated that the original Egyptians were black, half-African and half Asian. This general racial pattern changed, however, as the centuries passed along and more and more white conquerors, their followers and the other whites were attracted to the "Bread Basket on the Nile"-Jews, Syrians, Hittites, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians,. Greeks, Turks, Arabs, Romans, et al.Intermarriages between conquerors and conquered con- tinued along with concubinage as a national institution . The direct result was that more and more Egyptians became lighter and near-white in complexion. In short, they did, in fact, become more Asian in blood than African. Yet this upper ruling class of near-whites was at no time more than a fourth of the population . For until the Islamic "flood" which began in the middle of the seventh century A .D., the vast majority of the Egyptians were what modern scholars like to characterize as "Negroid."4

nded.
But the Assyrians, Hebrews, Greeks and Romans could make no such claim to support the myth of Caucasian superiority . For nothing seems
clearer from ancient records than that the whole ancient world knew of nothing more ancient than the black man's civilization .
The real challenge was standing there in monuments of stone which the Blacks had built on a scale that had withstood all passing ages .
To meet this challenge, the Asians and their Afro-Asian offsprings set about to do three main things : (1) They destroyed everything left by the Africans that indicated African superiority . (2) Where the temples, monuments, etc., were of such beauty and durability that destruction was less desirable than claiming the achievements as their own, African inscriptions were systematically erased and replaced with Asian and new Egyptian inscriptions that gave to themselves the credit for whatever achievements there were . Sometimes the inscriptions were so deeply engraved that effacement was impossible; so the workmen would have to conceal these by building stone casings around them .
The early African builders had been most exasperating, leaving their statues everywhere-flat noses, thick lips and all . Hundreds of statuettes
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by logic101: 4:31pm On Oct 30, 2011
were carved in various dynasties . These could be thrown away . But what to do with the huge, monumental statues that were lined up outside of the most famous temples? The problem was solved by "passing" those Egyptian rulers who merely had "Negroid" features . Many of those with all-African faces simply had their heads knocked off. All to no lasting avail. The facts of history could not be completely changed.
One troublesome fact was that most of the greatest kings and queens of Egypt were Black Africans; so great, indeed, that their names were richly spread over pages that glorified the Egyptian past-their names, but not their African identity. In history these Blacks are simply Egyptians, and not Cushites, Ethiopians, or Nubians . This is still another technique for deliberately "losing track" of African history. But the archaeologists' spades just kept turning up statuettes and some remarkable portraits that frustrated some scholars while' others felt challenged and replied with a heavy artillery of misleading words and phrases. Regardless of what the field investigators found, the main work of reconstructing African history in the twentieth century is still in the hands of those who degraded it, white hands who still have the power
to shape it as they will. (3) Finally, the great revolt of white slaves (Mamelukes) in 1250 A .D.,and their murderous onslaughts against their Turk and Arab masters ended forever the general enslavement of whites, and thereafter led to a concentration on the enslavement of only Blacks. This changed the course of history and came to make the myth of racial superiority-inferiority, master and slave, appear to be a visible reality. Could there be any question about it? Even the slaves would realize that their actual situation was one of inferiority . And after centuries of bondage, the slaves generally came to believe that they were, in fact, inferior beings, and that their masters, by the very arrangements of life, were superior. For whether in Asia, Europe, South America, the United States or the West Indies, the story was the same: The essential links with their past were broken . All knowledge of former greatness was lost. Even their kinship and family relationships were destroyed along with their true names . They were not regarded as human beings. They became a race of outcasts hating themselves for being alive. The Caucasian triumph was complete.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Amujale(m): 5:46pm On Oct 30, 2011
Gbam!
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Horus(m): 7:47pm On Oct 30, 2011
It has been stated that the original Egyptians were black, half-African and half Asian.

Why half-asian?. Asians are invaders, they do not originate from Egypt. The Negroids hairs, nose, and lips on the Egyptian Sphinx clearly reveals the identity of its constructors.

But the archaeologists' spades just kept turning up statuettes and some remarkable portraits that frustrated some scholars while' others felt challenged and replied with a heavy artillery of misleading words and phrases.

They use words to mislead us. I say that because, everytime you look in an encyclopedia, you’ll find they never mention Egypt with Africa, as if it is not part of the African continent. How racist and ridiculous in this time. Beware of so-called white europeans "Egyptologists". Present day authorities, theologians, philosophers, and so-called linguistics of European birth use several of their own languages to control your mind and entrap you in their definitions. Remember that their first holy book is the Bible or the Koran, and their second and most holy book is their dictionary; with these tools, they rule. They can decide what is true and what is false, and they can make a learnt man, look like a fool, or a liar, because they are unquestionable. The format used is author, authentic, authority. With those three principles, everybody retreats to them to check themselves and their own culture. Whenever you look up the root of a word, and where it originated, you are always led to Greek, French, Old English, Latin, and Arabic. Most of your definitions are coming from these languages. They have you controlled by these languages to keep your mind trapped and make themselves the authorities, the authors, and thus appear to be authentic.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Amujale(m): 7:50pm On Oct 30, 2011
Horus:

Why half-asian?. Asians are invaders, they do not originate from Egypt. The Negroids hairs, nose, and lips on the Egyptian Sphinx clearly reveals the identity of its constructors.

They use words to mislead us. I say that because, everytime you look in an encyclopedia, you’ll find they never mention Egypt with Africa, as if it is not part of the African continent. How racist and ridiculous in this time. Beware of so-called white europeans "Egyptologists". Present day authorities, theologians, philosophers, and so-called linguistics of European birth use several of their own languages to control your mind and entrap you in their definitions. Remember that their first holy book is the Bible or the Koran, and their second and most holy book is their dictionary; with these tools, they rule. They can decide what is true and what is false, and they can make a learnt man, look like a fool, or a liar, because they are unquestionable. The format used is author, authentic, authority. With those three principles, everybody retreats to them to check themselves and their own culture. Whenever you look up the root of a word, and where it originated, you are always led to Greek, French, Old English, Latin, and Arabic. Most of your definitions are coming from these languages. They have you controlled by these languages to keep your mind trapped and make themselves the authorities, the authors, and thus appear to be authentic.


Indeed, and even the Romans and Greeks confirmed the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians as being similar to those of other Africans but Eurocentrics and Asians seem to have overlooked this in favour of their fantasy stories.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Tyene: 2:24am On Oct 31, 2011
In my opinion, history is quite often being re-written or modified to suit certain individuals whatever their agenda may be, It is a sad thing as some people and cultures stand to lose their true identity, and get true knowledge of what was, with such misrepresentation to future generations, Who said you cant change the past?(on paper at least)
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Rossikk(m): 3:20am On Nov 04, 2011
"The Ethiopians say the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are, Ethiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Ethiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Ethiopian."

- Diodorus Siculus - Bibliotheca Historica, 60 BC
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Afro_Blue(m): 4:39am On Nov 04, 2011
There are some schools of thought of human beings and different races as being seeds or DNA species from different solar systems, and brought to earth before recorded history.  I know it sounds far out but it's something to add to all our knowledge base. Hit me back if you want a few research links.
 
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by morpheus24: 1:35pm On Nov 04, 2011
Afro_Blue:

There are some schools of thought of human beings and different races as being seeds or DNA species from different solar systems, and brought to earth before recorded history. I know it sounds far out but it's something to add to all our knowledge base. Hit me back if you want a few research links.

Thats kinda far fetched seeing that present DNA evidence demonstrates that human beings DNA sequencing is about 97.3% the same indicating that they are of the same species.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Afro_Blue(m): 11:59pm On Nov 04, 2011
morpheus24:

Thats kinda far fetched seeing that present DNA evidence demonstrates that human beings DNA sequencing is about 97.3% the same indicating that they are of the same species.

Yes it is far fetched but so is the story about a UK 9ja couple producing a white (non-albino) child. Modern science doesn't always have all the answers. Centuries of interbreeding may have all present day inhabitants of the planet related.




Nigerian Couple Stuns Genetic Experts, Give Birth To White Baby Girl



Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by moggaji: 2:18am On Nov 06, 2011
According to the studies carried out by both G. Lucott and G. Mercier using Y-chromosome haplotypes, a process which involved filtering Y-chromosome haplotypes of a large number of unrelated volunteers in Egypts Nile Valley by way of p49a,f TaqI polymorphism.

Their results showed that fifteen different p49a,f TaqI haplotypes are present in Egypt, the three most common being haplotype V, haplotype XI, and haplotype IV. Haplotype XI shows a preponderance in the south (in C - Nubia, 30.4%; B - Upper Egypt, 28.8%)

Haplotype XI is what the Institue of Anthroplogy refers to as E3b1, and originates among the East Africans - Borana, Somali, Oromo, e.t.c

Haplotype IV (E3A) was found to be almost absent in A (Delta 1.2%) and
preponderant in B (Upper Egypt 27.3%) and C (lower Nubia 39.1%)

Hence, the primary and common origins and relationships between ancient Egyptians and other Africans is clearly evident.

Therefore, some of the modern day Egyptians are related to ancient Egyptians while most are not.

The first tribes that inhabited Egypt, that is, the Nile Valley between the Syene cataract and the sea, came from Abyssinia to Sennar.

The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras [Beja], present inhabitants of Nubia.

In the copts population in modern day Egypt, we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively
dominated Egypt.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by moggaji: 2:37am On Nov 06, 2011
Afro_Blue:



Yes it is far fetched but so is the story about a UK 9ja couple producing a white (non-albino) child. Modern science doesn't always have all the answers. Centuries of interbreeding may have all present day inhabitants of the planet related.




Nigerian Couple Stuns Genetic Experts, Give Birth To White Baby Girl






Very interesting cool

I think this is confirmation of the genetical study that concludes the uniquesness of the black gene; one that cannot be replicated or reproduced outside of itself but retains the ability to replicate or reproduce other ethnic groups.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Amhatu(m): 7:17pm On May 29, 2012
@TOPIC

The Current place called Egypt never became White. However Greeks,Arabs and others came.


To understand how such things happen you can look at the Current situation in MALI Today beginning (22 March 2012) . This is almost a replay what happened to KEMET ,why it fell and became Egypt.


Also the Creation of South Sudan was a mistake. Sudan United is far stronger.


Arab Africans,Somali Africans,Yoruba African,Hausa Africans etc. We all are brothers. So lets stop the fighting on our continent.

All we doing is feeding war for the interest of foreign warmongers to further divide us.


A recent statement by a South African was correct when he asserted about the voortrekers (from Europe) finding many tribes of Africa at war with each other when they Arrived .


When will we learn in Africa?

We already Lost the Glory and Splendor of KEMET,Sudan now MALI.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Nobody: 11:34pm On May 29, 2012
It's simple.

INVASIONS.

Nothing more - nothing less.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by ROSSIKE: 12:24am On May 30, 2012
Yep. Egypt turned white for the exact same reason Sudan is now 'white' - Foreign invaders and their descendants.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by ndahbros1: 6:32pm On May 30, 2012
Egypt ha never been black. White or near white all the time. Why are u people so keen on claiming racial affinity with Egypt because of their rich history? How about Tunisia, Libya, Morocco? Why is nobody saying anything about them being kin?
If all d technological and intellectual history and achievements of ancient Egypt were achieved by blacks, how about them replicating same instead of wallowing in perpetual poverty, disease, and ignorance? Why depend on d white man u claim to have 'taught' civilisation for handouts and sustenance?
if one draws inference from d Bible, a question arises: why was Moses thought of as an Egyptian if their skins were black and his white?
U guys shd look for present, verifiable, pan-African achievements instead of seeking to bask in reflected glory. Modern-day Egypt, thankfully, doesn't share this 'we-are-all-blacks' view.

But if u still want to know y they are now white, ask Michael Jackson.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by morpheus24: 11:45pm On May 30, 2012
ndahbros1: Egypt ha never been black. .

Depends on what you want to define as a black person. There are variations of black people on the African continent from the nile valley to the cape. There is no 'true negro' looking African as there is no "true white' looking person. People are a variation of hues from exteremly dark to pale white.

The ancient egyptians as the case should be (seeing that they border other continents outside of Africa) exhibited a variation of these hues. Therefore they must be considered intermediaries as skull morphologies have put ancients in Anthropological terms within the variants of negroid cranial and caucasoid cranial formations.

Shikena

Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by broswilli: 1:15pm On Jan 22
Race is not real. No one can say Adam was a black man or a white man. According to research the first man should look like a half cast, research has also shown that people with multiple cast are usually more beautiful. After the passage of time some persons that lived in hot places became very dark and those that lived in very cold environment became very light in complexion but we are all the same
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by ROSSIKE: 8:19am On Jan 23
broswilli: Race is not real. No one can say Adam was a black man or a white man. According to research the first man should look like a half cast

What research is that, please? Care to point us to it? Any links?

research has also shown that people with multiple cast are usually more beautiful.

Really? Please point us to this research. Who conducted it? Under what parameters? What methodology was employed?

after the passage of time some persons that lived in hot places became very dark and those that lived in very cold environment became very light in complexion but we are all the same
Sorry, you cannot make up your own science off the top of your head. The Out of Africa Thesis, accepted by most scientists today, postulates that the first humans emerged from Southern Africa, with a small segment of them later migrating out of Africa to fill other continents. There is no indication or scientific suggestion that those first humans were anything but dark-skinned, black Africans.
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by ROSSIKE: 8:33am On Jan 23
ndahbros1: Egypt has never been black.

You must be living on a different planet. Well, I know you were raised on painted cartoon drawings and Hollywood renditions of white ancient Egyptians, but here's some authentic rendition of the ancient Egyptians, from ancient tomb drawings and sculpture still accessible today: You might notice a difference in the racial composition as compared to your childhood fantasies:



Excerpts:



(Black Africans pioneered the world's FIRST major civilization in Egypt, invented writing, architecture, medicine, the sciences, mining, mathematics, philosophy, religion, and the very concept of laws.

The pioneering effort of these early Africans led to the modern world we have today.)


Pharaoh Narmer. (Menes) First Dynasty. First ruler of Egypt. This bust is dated to 3,100 BC



Tomb Wall of Prince Amenkhepeshet

The Prince is the son of King Ramses II & Queen Nefertari, and the grandson of the Pharaoh Seti I.




Khnumhotep II was Overseer of the Eastern Desert, a title granted in Year 19 of the reign of the Pharaoh Amenemhet II, about 1910 B.C., 12th dynasty

The tomb of Khnumhotep II is cut deep into the eastern cliffs that border the Nile at Beni Hassan



Priestly ceremony





Tutunkhamun




Statue of Horemakhet


Thutmose III



Osiris


Sarcophagus of Horkhebit









Tomb of King Horemheb - 18th Dynasty



Farmers


[img]http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/isis_black.jpg[/img]
Isis



Amenemhet I, 1st King, 12th Dynasty





Period: 6th Dynasty, Reign of Pepi I (2289-2255 BC)

Niankhpepi was the "Supervisor of Upper Egpt" and "Chancellor of the King of Lower Egypt".



Material: Papyrus
Size: Height 37 cm; Length: 450 cm
Location: Western Thebes, Deir el-Bahri Cache (TT 320)
Excavation: Antiquities Service Excavations of 1881
Period: 21st Dynasty reign of Pinudjem I (About 1065-1045 BC)



Akheperkare Thutmose I (d. 1492 BC; sometimes spelled Thutmosis or Tuthmose) was the third Pharaoh of the 18th dynasty of Egypt. He ruled Egypt from 1504 BC until his death in 1492 BC. He was the father of the Pharaohs Thutmose II and Hatshepsut, and was the first king to be buried in the Valley of the Kings (tombs KV20 and KV38).








Seti I



King Sahure 5th Dynasty (2458-2446 B.C.)
Metropolitan Museum of Art.



Bes. Deity. 600 BC



Nefertiti



Middle Kingdom, about 2040-1750 BC



6th Dynasty. Around 2200 BC






From the tomb of King Tutunkhamun


Painted limestone relief showing two Princesses shaking sistrums. Excavated from a chapel called the 'Weben Ateb' at the Great Temple in Amarna in 1932. Brooklyn Museum of Art, New York.


Tomb of Rameses III




Tomb of Pharaoh Horemheb



Another new kingdom tomb, Rameses VII: (KV1)




Tomb of Paheri


Prophet of Min & Isis Najtmin:

Pharaoh Huni - 2673-2613 BCE













Tomb of Nakht





Note Somaloid look





Queen Tiye, Grandmother of Pharoah Tutunkhamun 1398 - 1338 BC













Tomb of king Tutunkhamun




Statue of King Nebhepetre II Mentuhotep
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Peterjosh(m): 7:12pm On Jan 24
ndahbros1: Egypt ha never been black. White or near white all the time. Why are u people so keen on claiming racial affinity with Egypt because of their rich history? How about Tunisia, Libya, Morocco? Why is nobody saying anything about them being kin?
If all d technological and intellectual history and achievements of ancient Egypt were achieved by blacks, how about them replicating same instead of wallowing in perpetual poverty, disease, and ignorance? Why depend on d white man u claim to have 'taught' civilisation for handouts and sustenance?
if one draws inference from d Bible, a question arises: why was Moses thought of as an Egyptian if their skins were black and his white?
U guys shd look for present, verifiable, pan-African achievements instead of seeking to bask in reflected glory. Modern-day Egypt, thankfully, doesn't share this 'we-are-all-blacks' view.

But if u still want to know y they are now white, ask Michael Jackson.

This is wisdom
Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by ROSSIKE: 10:40pm On Jan 24
^^^No it isn't. It is utter, unschooled, ignorant horse-manure.

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Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Arosa(m): 1:27pm On Jan 30
Peterjosh:

This is wisdom
What you see as wisdom is stupidity to me.

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Re: How Did Ancient Black Egyptians Become White Or Lightskinned. by Peterjosh(m): 6:23am On Feb 06
Arosa:
What you see as wisdom is stupidity to me.
Different strokes for different folks... Your choice all the way

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