Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus is not talking about the death of the flesh, but the death of the soul. A dead soul has lost connection with God.

A living soul has connection with God. The soul is the bridge between the spirit and the flesh. The soul receives from the spirit and guides the actions of the flesh. The spirit receives from the Spirit of God

Job 32:8
King James Version
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

A person can be alive in the flesh, but the soul is dead, because the spirit in that person has no connection with God. That's a brute right there, ferocious and unhinged, uninhibited, capable of great soulless evil.

Psalm 94:7-9
King James Version
7 Yet they say, The Lord shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it.

8 Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?

9 He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?

He was not talking about the death of anything called soul.
He was talking about death. Death is Death.

Jesus lied

Everything that Jesus said or did was spiritual. The death of the flesh is not important to Jesus, after all, Solomon said that the day of death is better than the day of one's birth Ecclesiastes 7:1

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Jesus was not talking about physical death, but spiritual mental death. What Jesus is saying is that there will be people who will never suffer spiritual mental devolution in all their incarnations till Christ is revealed

These are the elect who would understand deep spiritual things with just a little explanation. Thy investigate, find to be true, imbibe, and move on to more knowledge. Different from the mass of the walking talkng sleeping dead who know nothing and are blissfully ensconsed in the bosom of spiritual sleep until Christ is revealed

A prime example of someone who will never die until Jesus returns is Apostle Paul. Is Apostle Paul still alive, or dead? Is Gos the God of the living or the dead?

Paul says he will be alive when Jesus returns.

1 Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Paul in all his incarnations can never ever experience spiritual mental devolution. He can never die to the knowledge of God. He is connected forever. Paul is one example of a person who shall not doe till Jesus returns. Paul does not talk singularly he says 'WE WHICH ARE ALIVE'.

The men and women who wrote Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Esther, Peter, Titus, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John etc., are all right now alive and walking on this earth. Thy have changed their body suit a couple of times, but the spirit within them remains the same. That spirit within them can never experience spiritual death, they are connected to God forever.

He was not talking about the death of anything called soul.
He was talking about death. Death is Death.
Jesus lied

Yes, He spoke of the actual death/dying of the individuals. And No, Jesus Christ did not lie. What He made clear in His Gospels was that the sign they would seen — His coming (erroneously confused by many a religious with His return or second coming which instead takes place at the time of the resurrection ) —by those in that same generation that was His disciples. We read of one called Saul seeing that sign in the book of Acts. Many others in the land of Zion at that time did also see the coming of Jesus Christ before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 - Joel 2 vs 28-32.

Daniel 12:1-3
King James Version
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

If you examine this passage very well, you will see that it is talking about the elevation, and coming of Christ.

Michael will arise (be elevated) just before a most turbulent period in world history. Everyone who's name is in the book [of life], whose DNA has not been corrupted, will be delivered

Then importantly, Daniel talks about the people sleeping in the dust of the earth. Some shall awaken to everlasting life, while others shall arise to everlasting contempt

Now let me explain to you three categories of persons that this study of ours have thrown up

1. The people who shall not experience [spiritual mental] death at all. Anytime they incarnate the word of God is in them to guide them through that lifetime. These are the people of whom Paul says ''we which are alive'

2. The righteous dead. These are the people who through their incarnations will suffer mental spiritual death. This is where the mass of Israel is and redeemed [former] gentiles. They have been killed spiritually because of the times of the gentiles; in order to survive the madness and depravity of the times of the gentiles, they have been put into deep spiritual sleep. These are the devout Christians, Muslims, pious men and women that you see all about, who try to be good and decent in all their dealings. They may not have access to the deep things of God but they try to practice the little one that has been allowed to filter to them. These are the ones that will arise to an everlasting life of blessings and rewards. These are the ones Paul says are sleeping when he says 'we which are alive shall not prevent them which are asleep'. These are the wheat

3. The third category are the ones that will arise into everlasting shame and contempt. The unrighteous dead. They too have been mentally and spiritually killed, and even when everyone shall arise mentally and spiritually, though these ones will arise too, they will arise into shame and everlasting contempt because of their evil and corrupt deeds. These are the tares

Presently, the wheat and the tares are now growing together, but a time is coming and it is now wherein the wheat shall be separated from the tares. The wheat shall be treated well, while the tares shall be burned. This is the righteous wheat arising to everlasting life, while the unrighteous tares arise into everlasting shame and contempt

Jesus was not talking about physical but spiritual death

MrPresident1:
Jesus was not talking about physical but spiritual death

do you have any proofs of your saying?
I know death is a state of being lifeless so which one be spiritual death?
Who has ever died spiritually so we can have a reference ?

Arda1000:
do you have any proofs of your saying?
I know death is a state of being lifeless so which one be spiritual death?
Who has ever died spiritually so we can have a reference ?

Jesus says that there will be some people which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man in the kingdom

Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Paul says 'we which are alive shall not prevent them which are asleep', is Paul dead or alive today? Paul did not mince words, he says he will be alive and around during the coming of the Lord

1 Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Then Daniel says that of the people sleeping in the dust of the earth, some will awaken to everlasting life while some others will awaken to everlasting shame and contempt

Daniel 12:2-3
King James Version
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

The hour of resurrection is coming when all those that are in spiritual mental graves shall hear the voice of their Master and the shall come forth; the good ones to resurrection of life and the evil ones to the resurrection of damnation

John 5:28-29
King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So here is Paul providing the whole composite picture of the living and the dead
Paul says that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
King James Version
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

MrPresident1:


Jesus says that there will be some people which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man in the kingdom

Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Paul says 'we which are alive shall not prevent them which are asleep', is Paul dead or alive today? Paul did not mince words, he says he will be alive and around during the coming of the Lord

1 Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Then Daniel says that of the people sleeping in the dust of the earth, some will awaken to everlasting life while some others will awaken to everlasting shame and contempt

Daniel 12:2-3
King James Version
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

The hour of resurrection is coming when all those that are in spiritual mental graves shall hear the voice of their Master and the shall come forth; the good ones to resurrection of life and the evil ones to the resurrection of damnation

John 5:28-29
King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So here is Paul providing the whole composite picture of the living and the dead
Paul says that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
King James Version
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

bullocks.

Arda1000:
bullocks.

Big time bollocks.

The mental gymanastics to come up with vague counter intuitive thought processes that was plucked out from thin air to defend plain contradictions has begun. How does he know he was talking of spiritual death?? The verses he even posted by to support his pov does the opposite. Its obvious its physical cause if considered alongside Matthew 24 and Luke 21, where Jesus said that generation would not pass away until he returns.

Those two verses up there are simply stating the obvious, some of that generation would obviously die before their whole generation would pass away but it doesn't stop those that are dead from joining up with them that are alive when Christ returns, which was supposed to be before their whole generation passed away. But it didnt happen that way, did. it?? Ergo the mental gymnastics here.

When Jesus spoke metaphorically he used parables, everything else was literal. So why twisting it to suit your narrative cause of the contradiction. You guys cant wiggle your way out of all the cotradictions you know, even while using vague biblical drivel. Logic, common sense, occam's razor shatters it all.

"A person can be alive in the flesh, but the soul is dead, because the spirit in that person has no connection with God."

"The men and women who wrote Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Esther, Peter, Titus, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John etc., are all right now alive and walking on this earth. Thy have changed their body suit a couple of times, but the spirit within them remains the same. That spirit within them can never experience spiritual death, they are connected to God forever."

What refrences preferably one from your bible did you use to infer the nonsenses above??

Lucifyre:


Big time bollocks.

The mental gymanastics to come up with vague counter intuitive thought processes that was plucked out from thin air to defend plain contradictions has begun. How does he know he was talking of spiritual death?? The verses he even posted by to support his pov does the opposite. Its obvious its physical cause if considered alongside Matthew 24 and Luke 21, where Jesus said that generation would not pass away until he returns.

Those two verses up there are simply stating the obvious, some of that generation would obviously die before their whole generation would pass away but it doesn't stop those that are dead from joining up with them that are alive when Christ returns, which was supposed to be before their whole generation passed away. But it didnt happen that way, did. it?? Ergo the mental gymnastics here.

When Jesus spoke metaphorically he used parables, everything else was literal. So why twisting it to suit your narrative cause of the contradiction. You guys cant wiggle your way out of all the cotradictions you know, even while using vague biblical drivel. Logic, common sense, occam's razor shatters it all.

One plain about religion is that if you aren’t logical enough it will make you think you are smart.
You keep quoting a book that was wrote by Stone Age folks,keep on swimming in your delusion

MrPresident1:
Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus is not talking about the death of the flesh, but the death of the soul. A dead soul has lost connection with God.

A living soul has connection with God. The soul is the bridge between the spirit and the flesh. The soul receives from the spirit and guide the actions of the flesh. The spirit receives from the Spirit of God

Job 32:8
King James Version
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

you go explain tire. See how Christians lie with bold face! Christians are terrible people! Don't be fooled by the way they pretend. They lie more than most other religions. Very terrible people

Why do the heathens rage?

What is written is not for you, what is your business? This is not for everybody. The spirit are crying out in great torment and anguish. Every spirit must bow, every strange contrary spirit must submit!

The people to whom it is sent, the living, have received it, have investigated it, have found it to be true, have imbibed it, and have given thanks to the LORD our God for enlightenment

Why do the heathens rage?

HardMirror:
you go explain tire. See how Christians lie with bold face! Christians are terrible people! Don't be fooled by the way they pretend. They lie more than most other religions. Very terrible people

The fellow is not a Christian na, mirror.

Lucifyre:


Big time bollocks.

The mental gymanastics to come up with vague counter intuitive thought processes that was plucked out from thin air to defend plain contradictions has begun. How does he know he was talking of spiritual death?? The verses he even posted by to support his pov does the opposite. Its obvious its physical cause if considered alongside Matthew 24 and Luke 21, where Jesus said that generation would not pass away until he returns.

Those two verses up there are simply stating the obvious, some of that generation would obviously die before their whole generation would pass away but it doesn't stop those that are dead from joining up with them that are alive when Christ returns, which was supposed to be before their whole generation passed away. But it didnt happen that way, did. it?? Ergo the mental gymnastics here.

When Jesus spoke metaphorically he used parables, everything else was literal. So why twisting it to suit your narrative cause of the contradiction. You guys cant wiggle your way out of all the cotradictions you know, even while using vague biblical drivel. Logic, common sense, occam's razor shatters it all.

keep deceiving yourself.
Anyone can interpret any verse in the Bible to fit his or her personal idea.
That is why the Bible and other religious books are dangerous.
Keep swimming in ignorance

Arda1000:
keep deceiving yourself.
Anyone can interpret any verse in the Bible to fit his or her personal idea.
That is why the Bible and other religious books are dangerous.
Keep swimming in ignorance

The Bible is the history and future of this planet. Anything you read in it and hold on to becomes your reality, it is completely immutable

We should show the so-called 'atheists' the error of their ways because judgment is coming upon them, because the reason they refuse to acknowledge God is that God has blocked their mind from doing so. They have a heavy a and highly iniquitous karmic load of great wickedness which must be repaid and because of this God has blocked them until they repay.

These so-called atheists are among the living dead (category 3, Daniel 12:2) and their portion forever in the resurrection is everlasting shame and contempt.

They have done great wickedness and abomination, their hand is full of blood and iniquity

When David behaved foolishly by committing adultery and murder he didn't try to hide his iniquity, he voiced it out and begged for forgiveness. He confessed his iniquity and did not behave like a fool: so God continued to give him access to his Spirit

1 Chronicles 21:8
And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly

But you see these so-called atheists? They didn't confess their crimes, and they didn't follow up with penitence, they justified their evil by saying that God did not see them; they are hauling about a very heavy karmic load. God who requires what is past Ecclesiastes 3:15 has locked them down for punishment. So they don't believe in God, they don't believe in reincarnation, they don't believe in anything, they think this has extirpated their sins, isn't this a foolish thought? Aren't they fools?

As the atheist cannot stand God, so can God not stand them: the hatred is mutual!

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

So God hates all the workers of iniquity and the Bible says that the atheists are workers of iniquity, it even qualifies the level of their iniquity by calling it abominable. The have committed ABOMINABLE INIQUITY

Atheists have committed abominations

Psalm 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good

Image123:


The fellow is not a Christian na, mirror.

See this one, he even tries to endear himself to a self-confessed atheist. He calls him 'mirror', lol

Who is more his friend? I who am warning him of the great danger lurking in his soul or you a so-called Christian who is trying to endear himself to someone that God has declared war with?

I am showing him the error of his ways, showing him his soul is in grave danger, and here you are, a Christian, you even teach the Bible here, a Bible 'scholar', trying to endear yourself to a reprobate? What do you think this makes you? You are interested in his destruction? You want him destroyed? How does this promote you?

Who is his friend between I and you?

Psalm 139:19
King James Version
19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

God is about to slay him, and instead of calling him out and showing him the error of his ways, you are cavorting with him. What does this make you, Mr Christian?

MrPresident1:


The Bible is the history and future of this planet. Anything you read in it and hold on to becomes your reality, it is completely immutable

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MrPresident1:
Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus is not talking about the death of the flesh, but the death of the soul. A dead soul has lost connection with God.

A living soul has connection with God. The soul is the bridge between the spirit and the flesh. The soul receives from the spirit and guide the actions of the flesh. The spirit receives from the Spirit of God

Job 32:8
King James Version
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

I don't agree with you. He was talking about physical death. Jesus as a man on earth didn't know at that time the plan God has for the Gentile nations. It was a mystery at that time. So, if not for this church age, the prophecy would have been fulfilled.

Ken4Christ:


I don't agree with you. He was talking about physical death. Jesus as a man on earth didn't know at that time the plan God has for the Gentile nations. It was a mystery at that time. So, if not for this church age, the prophecy would have been fulfilled.

The bolded is completely wrong

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus Christ is the entire word of God, so you saying he did not understand what he wrote, and what he is, is entirely not correct. Even sounds blasphemous sef

Hebrews 9:27-28
King James Version

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

This is the passage on which the entire doctrine of non belief in reincarnation is built, and the fact is if you do not believe in reincarnation you can never understand the deeper things of the Bible

This passage is not disproving reincarnation, it is infact proving reincarnation

We need to start rereading the Bible from a new prism and not the old jaded prisms which era and epoch has expired

MrPresident1:
Hebrews 9:27-28
King James Version

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

This is the passage on which the entire doctrine of non belief in reincarnation is built, and the fact is if you do not believe in reincarnation you can never understand the deeper things of the Bible

This passage is not disproving reincarnation, it is infact proving reincarnation

We need to start rereading the Bible from a new prism and not the old jaded prisms which era and epoch has expired

The passage is equating certainty with certainty, it is not disproving reincarnation, it is affirming reincarnation.
A careful understanding of how the word 'once' is used here will tell you that the contexts are both different and the same, at the same time! Sheer genius use of language by the writer

Jesus died once, for all people. This is the certainty
So also, once anyone dies, it is judgment time

And the place of judgment is under the sun, and God requires that which is past!

Ecclesiastes 3:15-17
King James Version
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

That which hath been is now: you who have existed, lived before, this is you now, and the children that are in the womb, the events that are going to happen in the future, have already happened

No reincarnation no deeper things of the Bible for you, shikenan!

MrPresident1:


The bolded is completely wrong

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus Christ is the entire word of God, so you saying he did not understand what he wrote, and what he is, is entirely not correct. Even sounds blasphemous sef

Yes, he is the word of God in human flesh. But he was completely human. This is why he could be hungry. He also got tired. These are attributes of humanity. I will explain more later.

Ken4Christ:


Yes, he is the word of God in human flesh. But he was completely human. This is why he could be hungry. He also got tired. These are attributes of humanity. I will explain more later.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh,

What you are saying contradicts what is written and does not make sense. The entirety of the word was made flesh; Jesus is the living breathing walking talking Word of God.

If he was hungry, and tired, was he also sinful?

MrPresident1:


John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh,

What you are saying contradicts what is written and does not make sense. The entirety of the word was made flesh; Jesus is the living breathing walking talking Word of God.

If he was hungry, and tired, was he also sinful?

The passage you quoted affirm what I said. Divinity in human flesh. That brought him to the level of man. If he functioned as God on earth, he would not need to pray. But he prayed to his Father regularly.

Hence, he was also referred as the son of man.

He came to represent man. He didn't face Satan as God. That will be unjust to Satan. He defeated Satan as man and got the victory for mankind.

He even said that only the Father knows the day of his returning. If he functioned as God on earth, he should have known everything.

Ken4Christ:


The passage you quoted affirm what I said. Divinity in human flesh. That brought him to the level of man. If he functioned as God on earth, he would not need to pray. But he prayed to his Father regularly.

Hence, he was also referred as the son of man.

He came to represent man. He didn't face Satan as God. That will be unjust to Satan. He defeated Satan as man and got the victory for mankind.

He even said that only the Father knows the day of his returning. If he functioned as God on earth, he should have known everything.

So was Jesus sinful? He was hungry, he was tired, was he sinful?