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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Obrigardo: 4:24pm On Mar 10
where's basilico loco? Got something for you to think about.

Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by SIRTee15: 4:28pm On Mar 10
GlobeTrotter2:
you have been fed with alot of views from CNN. US said it fully on live tv by the Vice president. "We are ready to welcome Ukrain into NATO".

Putin is not a vampire
He just did what US would have done if it was in his shoes. He has repeatedly warned about this, US kept pushing. He even gave a peace favorable peace deal that Ukraine agreed to until Boris Johnson told them not to sign it.

As far as I'm concerned, zelenaky is the foolish porn who lead his people to war they can't win.

Stop lying. Ukraine was never going to join NATO. even France assured Russia.
What Ukraine was asking for was to join EU not NATO.

Putin just wanted to annex Ukraine because he deemed the govt in Kiev as too eurocentric. He didn't like their constant romance with Brussels and he saw that as a betrayal.

Ukraine made the mistake neighbours living next to superpowers don't make. Play safe, stay neutral and always assure the next door superpower BY YOUR ACTIONS.

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Topmaike007(m): 4:38pm On Mar 10
tctrills:

There are always compelling arguments one way of the other. Russia had the choice of not going into war.
The world always knew that Russia was very strong. On the contrary, this war exposed Russians weaknesses.
Imagine Russia the second Strongest military not being able to make any important battlefield gains in over a year and not having air dominance over the course of the war. We all expected much more from Russia.
weak you call it do you think as small as Benin republic is right now do you think if Nigeria go to war with Benin republic and Benin republic get Quarter of the help Ukraine got globally do you think Nigeria will get to conquer a province in Benin? All most all the world sending weapons,money,aids External troops to Ukraine as help and you think it will be easy ..

Or do you think Nigeria government would have gotten it easy if Biafra government get half of that Ukrainian global support??
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 4:39pm On Mar 10
humilitypays:
Bro check the difference please.
Hamas invaded Israel, murdered thousands of civilians without provocation, Israel only retaliated.
But in Russia vs Ukraine, Russia only invaded Ukraine on mere suspicion that Ukraine wants to join NATO, imagine invading a sovereign country just because you suspect they would join an association, how just is that?

Bro, this war should have started in 2014 but both countries tried to use diplomacy to stop the war but it didn't work, the Minsk agreement failed, Trump didn't stupport Ukrain so Putin decide to wait, Ukrain started arming Itself. Since they could'nt reach any agreement the war became inevictble.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 4:41pm On Mar 10
Amayabor1:


Ignorant clowns. How did Ukraine enter a war with Russia. Russia invaded their country, they should just sleep and fold their hands abi?

Imagine Egypt from no where attacking Nigeria, seizing parts of osun, Oyo and Kano states and Nigeria will just fold it's hands and watch because we don't want a war.

You clowns are failing to say the truth; This is an invasion. Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukraine is trying to push back Russia.
Smh4u

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 4:49pm On Mar 10
AntiChristian:
The Pope has remembered Russia vs Ukraine!

He'll soon remember Israel Vs Palestine again!

Sweden too don join NATO! But their position on the map no too disturb Russia unlike Ukraine with Donbass region!



When will top Islamc religious leaders in the Middle East remember thousands of indigeneous Christians being slaughtered by Fulani jihadists in Nigerian
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Topmaike007(m): 4:52pm On Mar 10
alizma:

No matter how it ends anytime soon or otherwise, Ukraine has changed countries' view of Russia when it comes to fight war.
Two years down the line, Ukraine is still standing and even giving conditions on which they will embrace peace. Going by Russia propaganda at the birth of this war, one would think that by no, no living thing of Ukraine origin is alive.
change you call it? Even Germany won't last a year without help...Even the Biafran soldiers will over run Nigeria if they had quarter of the help Ukraine are enjoying right now globally hundreds of billions to fight Russia, aids, sanctions and to top it off they're sending in troops to help Ukraine...

Even USA can't win Russia alone in 5 years
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 4:55pm On Mar 10
ufotunang:
What is the essence of the war ..all those territories and lands Putin is fighting for... when he dies he will not carry all those territories and lands to his grave ..he will be buried with nothing...so why fighting for all this things where there is no benefit when you pass away or die and be buried empty with nothing
This your write no make sense.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 4:55pm On Mar 10
ufotunang:
What is the essence of the war ..all those territories and lands Putin is fighting for... when he dies he will not carry all those territories and lands to his grave ..he will be buried with nothing...so why fighting for all this things where there is no benefit when you pass away or die and be buried empty with nothing
This your writeup no make sense.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Hoelujohn: 4:56pm On Mar 10
maasoap:

Whaaaaat? Abeg, quit the joke
I just realized i even under estimate. Check Google
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by GiZcorp: 4:57pm On Mar 10
Amayabor1:


Ignorant clowns. How did Ukraine enter a war with Russia. Russia invaded their country, they should just sleep and fold their hands abi?

Imagine Egypt from no where attacking Nigeria, seizing parts of osun, Oyo and Kano states and Nigeria will just fold it's hands and watch because we don't want a war.

You clowns are failing to say the truth; This is an invasion. Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukraine is trying to push back Russia.

Nobody is dragging with you, Russia actually invaded Ukraine but u still don't know why. Now read sensible comments here and you will see why that invasion was inevitable.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 4:59pm On Mar 10
We want freedom. Freedom for all.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Topmaike007(m): 5:03pm On Mar 10
tctrills:

Let's take it point by point.
1. Your first point about NATO being only 45% of the world adds no value to this argument. I stated that the world thought Russia would easily defeat Ukraine.
2 So far, almost all the gains Russia has made in the war were made in the first 3 months. They have lost more land area than they gained since after the first 6 months of the war.

Russia is fighting the poorest country in Europe and the support coming from the western countries is not up to 1% of their GDP.
If Ukraine can hold Russia with much less then 1% of the NATO nation's GDP, what more do you need to tell you that Russia is weaker than we all knew.
For example, the US has sent about $75 billion on Ukraine so far. That's about 0.3 of the US GDP and 10% of the US military budget.
Now this is what the US has given Ukraine in 2 years.
So work the maths, in one year, the US is spending less than 5% of it's military budget on Ukraine and Russia can achieve air superiority or dominant the battlefield.

Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied an additional 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory. By 11 November, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian
occupation, leaving Russia with control of about 18% of Ukraine's territory.

Oga Russia is much weaker than we knew.
weaker okay ooh?? Una dey muss me to be honest with all the sanctions Russia is still standing strong with the whole Donbas region in her hands after all the Hundreds of billions sent to Ukraine last year that is more than Nigeria annual budget Russia is still standing Even UK won't stand 3 years without external help
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Topmaike007(m): 5:05pm On Mar 10
Amayabor1:


Did the US invade Cuba and seize it's territories after discovering USSR offensive Weapons there?
but the US can sanction Cuba for more than 50 years

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by TonySpike: 5:12pm On Mar 10
Dream25:

There's nothing like Ukraine, they're all Rus people. The first Ukrainian state was in 20 century, it's all Rus land..
That aside, would US have invaded Afghanistan, Iraq if they had nuke?..

Why invade Afghanistan, Iraq that didn't violate your country's territorial integrity?.

Can US invade China because they possess weapon of mass destruction?..

Maybe you're just following this Special military operation, Russia surround Kiev to force Zelensky into negotiation and they achieve what they want but UK former PM was the one deceive the Ukrainian into believing they can stop Russia. Ukraine was ready to agree to the Russia demand, it's simple.. The soldiers that surround Kiev were even inform not to bomb or kill. There were videos making round then of Russia soldiers asking what they're doing in Kiev if they cannot bomb and strike it..

This is not the first time Russia is doing this, Russia surround Georgia capital Tbilisi to force Georgia into negotiation and they left after achieving their aim..

Nobody is begging them to gree, they're already dying mercilessly and using propaganda to boost their pay master ego.. shocked



This is Russian deception. Ukraine is far older than Russia. Go and read your history properly
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by TonySpike: 5:15pm On Mar 10
Jovi10:



When we say you people should read about the cause of the war una no go gree. Ukraine started killing pro Russians in the donbass regions, even burnt people they barricaded in a hall and set the all on fire killing these pro Russians. USA sponsored a coup in 2014 that removed a Ukrainian president who was more friendly towards russia.the rest is history now.

Russian propaganda again. Russia started false flag operations in Donbass and Luhansk with the active aid of the Russian FSB in 2014. Guys like Igor Girkin has confirmed this over and over again. Igor and other Russian officers even shot down the Malaysian plane flying over Donbass at that time.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Lexusgs430: 5:28pm On Mar 10
GUNITGuy:

kiev is almost under siege and might be lost before August.......E.U as vowed not to loose this war but thats a joke they are already trying to officially go into the war as NATO thats a disaster waiting to befall the developed countries of Europe....
This generation of Europeans have never seen war on their soil but it might hit them this time be it U.S OR UK OR FRANCE OR GERMANY.....its going to be a serious devastation most likely in the next 10 yrs ....
Putin knows what to do should event NATO officially thats what they are afraid of if not they would have invaded Russia long ago but u see those nukes in the hands of russia would wipe out more than half of Europe and America simultaneously....

You think Putin got the monopoly of firing nukes ........ Dey play.......😁
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by talkreal: 5:31pm On Mar 10
jikins:


Better goan do your own research, that post has gaslighting over it if you actually know what happened. Yes there's elements of truth in it but largely its a bundle of half truths and of course emotionally based. Comments like that shouldn't fool anyone who knows his stuff in world history. Since you are impressed it means you still have alot to learn.

You see why I applaud his comments, the cases he mentioned, the cases of Libya, Syria, Irak, and others. He blamed the US where necessary unlike yous that tries to make Russia look holy and infallible. Trying to turn the Truth on its head claiming the defender to be the aggressor..
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Amayabor1: 5:44pm On Mar 10
Topmaike007:
but the US can sanction Cuba for more than 50 years

Yes. Russia should have also sanctioned Ukraine instead of this invasion.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Amayabor1: 5:46pm On Mar 10
GiZcorp:


Nobody is dragging with you, Russia actually invaded Ukraine but u still don't know why. Now read sensible comments here and you will see why that invasion was inevitable.

Lol. All these people sef. And why was the invasion inevitable?
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Amayabor1: 5:47pm On Mar 10
AnyanwuSilas:
Smh4u

Shake your head for yourself. Then give that big head a heavy knock grin
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by tctrills: 5:57pm On Mar 10
Topmaike007:
weaker okay ooh?? Una dey muss me to be honest with all the sanctions Russia is still standing strong with the whole Donbas region in her hands after all the Hundreds of billions sent to Ukraine last year that is more than Nigeria annual budget Russia is still standing Even UK won't stand 3 years without external help
You have not refuted any of the points I made and yes the sanctions were not successful. You got that one right.
Again, let me repeat, the total amount sent to Ukraine is less than 0.5% of the US GDP. It's but a drop in a vast ocean.
Your final point is that the UK cannot survive what Russia is surviving. Please explain. How do you know?
Lastly, Russia is getting lots of external help. Many nations still do business with Russia.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by tctrills: 6:00pm On Mar 10
Topmaike007:
weak you call it do you think as small as Benin republic is right now do you think if Nigeria go to war with Benin republic and Benin republic get Quarter of the help Ukraine got globally do you think Nigeria will get to conquer a province in Benin? All most all the world sending weapons,money,aids External troops to Ukraine as help and you think it will be easy ..

Or do you think Nigeria government would have gotten it easy if Biafra government get half of that Ukrainian global support??
Your example with Benin has not been experimented so let's not guess what we don't know.
Again, all the aid sent to Ukraine is less than 0.5% of the US GDP. It's a drop in a vast ocean.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by smallrincowis16(m): 6:57pm On Mar 10
humilitypays:
You don't seem to get the difference, do you?


Japan was an ally of Germany, Italy during the world war II, and they first attacked US naval base "The Pearl Harbor" as a show of solidarity to their ally Germany/Hitler, US only retaliated but with maximum force which led to the Hiroshima bombing.


US didn't invade Syria, Syria was already fighting an internal civil war between the ruling government and some factional groups trying to oust the ruling President of Assad. Syria then became a den of Islamic terrorists using there as a launchpad to carry out terrorist attacks in Iraq, etc via ISIS cum ISIL. US after 9/11 have a constitutional obligation to go after any terror group wherever they are to keep their homeland and citizens and investments scattered all over the world safe, so US was only helping a side in Syria to decimate the terror groups, not that US woke up to invade Syria without provocation.


The only place US did an unjust invasion was in Iraq on mere suspicion that Sadam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction, which I did condemned back then, and their target was to destroy it and oust Saddam Hussein from power unlike Russia that invaded Ukraine their neighbor to grab lands and to expand Russian territory, hope you can see the difference?


Libya's case was just a target by NATO to remove Gaddafi for sponsorship terrorists attacks on NATO countries that killed hundreds of civilians. Go and read about it, Gadaffi is a known terrorist sponsor who didn't hide it. He sponsored the terrorists that bombed Italian embassy, and many more that I cant remember, use Google. So when Libya started having an internal political crisis that resulted to a civil war, NATO seized the opportunity to support Gadhafi's opposition to remove Gaddafi, they didn't send ground troops, they didn't even wake up to invade Libya, Libya was already at war within itself.



Please mark the difference, dont let your hatred for US to cause you to lose your humanity.


Russia use to be my favorite country until Putin invaded Ukraine unjustly just on mere suspicion that Ukraine wanted to join NATO whereas Putin is only using that as an excuse to invade Ukraine to grab lands and expand Russian territory.


If Putin invaded Ukraine to stop them from joining NATO, then he ought to seize fire now as he has taught them enough lessons and NATO after this will never admit Ukraine into NATO, but instead Russia is busy grabbing Ukraine land and claiming they invaded Ukraine to stop them from joining NATO, does it make sense to you?



Can you provide proof of what you just said about Libya and Syria?
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by smallrincowis16(m): 6:58pm On Mar 10
Hoelujohn:

Do you have idea how many Russian soldiers have died? Definitely above 300k. Can you quantity the losses of equipments? Definitely in region of 100billion dollars

According to trust me bro
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by lastkingsman: 6:59pm On Mar 10
Lexusgs430:


You think Putin got the monopoly of firing nukes ........ Dey play.......😁

Nukes means mutual destruction is assured grin

Nobody is firing any nuke. The big boys with nukes will fight on a proxy country and win/lose.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Lexusgs430: 7:01pm On Mar 10
lastkingsman:


Nukes means mutual destruction is assured grin

Nobody is firing any nuke. The big boys with nukes will fight on a proxy country and win/lose.


My response was to the chap, thinking if Putin fired his nukes...... The west would sit down, start praying and fasting.........😜
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by tctrills: 7:06pm On Mar 10
Jovi10:




Ukraine cannot join NATO.
The donbass region as almost been liberated and will be liberated, the ones in Russia s possession already will never return to Ukraine.
Russia's global influence has increased more than it ever was.
Russia's military might can be seen by the whole world.
EU nations have destroyed their economy as a result of trying to isolate Russia.
USA'S hegemony is coming to and end and nations now have the might and voice to respond to the USA either aggressively or verbally something that was impossible some years ago.

So Russia is on the winning side dude.
Sweden and Finland joined NATO so what exactly is your point?
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 7:19pm On Mar 10
Amayabor1:


Shake your head for yourself. Then give that big head a heavy knock grin
I dey shake head for you based on say you no know anything about geopolitics of the world. What's happening in the world today seems related to what's predicted by the Bible. We want multipolar world, what Russia is doing is the right thing that can get us freedom befor we enter a new age. This war is bigger than Russia & Ukrain. It's a war between empires vs empires or eving kingdoms. The control of the world's soul is what they are fighting for. It's a world war. I'm sure you don't know the reason why killings are going on in Nigeria
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by GiZcorp: 7:26pm On Mar 10
Amayabor1:


Lol. All these people sef. And why was the invasion inevitable?

That's why I said read sensible comments here and find out but naahh... Anyway, you're right.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by smallrincowis16(m): 7:58pm On Mar 10
tctrills:

There are always compelling arguments one way of the other. Russia had the choice of not going into war.
The world always knew that Russia was very strong. On the contrary, this war exposed Russians weaknesses.
Imagine Russia the second Strongest military not being able to make any important battlefield gains in over a year and not having air dominance over the course of the war. We all expected much more from Russia.

Yet supposed strong countries with all their mights can not defeat ragtag farmers isn't that shameful.

Again we witness what's happening in Isreal, even with genocidal behaviour, they've not been able to achieve anything cogent other than destruction
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by kessler53(m): 8:11pm On Mar 10
Jandminded:
Would Russia had invaded Ukraine if they had Nukes?

Why invade a country that didn't violate your country's territorial integrity?

Can Russia invade China assuming they decide to join NATO?

If it was Donbass region you wanted to help and secede, what took you to Kiev in the first place?

Ukraine should not gree for anybody, they have lost enough to just yield for free.

If Russia must win, let them win in a costly way.
I concur

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