Danand1:

Is Oduduwa a Yoruba man?
Probably it was in-cooperated into Yoruba language after Oduduwa came, because if Yoruba can take a foreigner as their father, I guess there is nothing impossible.

Shattuck:
what does oba mean in Yoruba language, if oba truly represents king how come non of your ancient kingship bears the title of oba, if ife is the ancestral home as you claim and ooni is the title of the ruler of ife, why did the ooni not name the the benin king as the ooni of Benin? How come no other ancient kingdom in Yorubaland bears oba, except lagos which was founded by the Benin kingdom which the oba of lagos claim his descendants are from Benin, the Benin kingdom is one of the oldest civilization and according to history a Benin prince left the Benin kingdom to ife the same prince sent one of his son's to return to Benin and become the king after his father's demise, not that the Yoruba established kingship in Benin, btw the oba is not an original yoruba word it is a borrowed word probably inspired by the Benin kingdom, because if it means king originally the ooni of ife, alaafin of oyo, soun of Ogbomosho would have been referred to as oba of ife, oba of oyo, and Ogbomosho respectively.

Danand1:
All of you Yorubas should just stop all this nonsense, is Oduduwa even a Yoruba man, you admit a foreigner as your father and still want to cajole the people that believe he is from them to be subjected to you, 😀😀you people are clowns

infofta:
Ooni of Ife cannot go to Oba of Benin palace and sit on the throne but Oba of Beni will go to Ile Ife and the Royal seat will be vacated for him to sit. Which throne and Oba is bigger?

A kingdom that came from Benin and conquered Eko in Lagos and installed an Oba, fought the British Empire is lower than the kingdom of Ile Ife.

The son of Bini Ogiso founded the throne in Ile Ife.

Even the Oba of Benin never said they are Yoruba

People should use their brains now.

infofta:


You must understand the connection between Benin and Ile Ife.

A Bini Prince fled the kingdom of Benin and became an Oba in Ife, got married there and had children. He couldn't return to Benin kingdom rather sent one of his male sons to become an Oba in Benin when his father passed away.

AutomaticMotors:


Very well said!!

Honestly Their delusion is now bordering on full retardation

santaclaws:


Oba, means something that's above (from the word "ba" which means over or above) that's why we say in Yoruba language "oba ba lori oun gbogbo" meaning the king or ruler is above all. The etymology is purely Yoruba and if it's used anywhere else, it's borrowed.

Secondly, those kings with titles like Ooni, Alaafin, Soun etc have their unique names as part of their mini kingdoms and they are all called Oba as well. When they introduce them, despite their traditional title, they all still have Oba in front of their names.

For instance the Ooni of Ife, the Paramount ruler of Yoruba land is called Oba Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi CFR.

The traditional title is different from the formal title in Yoruba land, but they are all Obas. This shows that Yoruba land consists of various sub-ethnic groups and it is indeed a large kingdom.

AutomaticMotors:


Very well said!!

Honestly Their delusion is now bordering on full retardation

Goodlady:
Some pages are on Facebook with people claiming Benins spewing hate, lies and malicious things against Yorubas. At times I so der of it's north sponsoring them.

Raf4:


Go and ask Ogiso/Ogiamen families in Bini to tell you the true story of Obagodo, the 1st Ogiso of Igodomigodo.

Raf4:


And the correct title of Bini King is Omo N'oba Edo because Oranmiyan was Omoba when he ruled Bini. Every Oba of Bini (Descendant of Oranmiyan) is a Prince (Omo N'Oba) of Ile-Ife

Olu317:
Liar 😂😂😂. Does Oba Bini know what he is saying ? One who does not have respect for his ancestor's household in ileife

santaclaws:


2. The Benins don't want the truth about their Yoruba origin to be known so as not to be subject to the Ooni or to be seen as a subset of Yoruba land.

EJEGBULEJE:


Common sense should tell you that it is "HE" that is from Ile Ife, and not "THEY" The Benin are not from Yoruba land, the Present Oba might be..

infofta:
Ooni of Ife cannot go to Oba of Benin palace and sit on the throne but Oba of Beni will go to Ile Ife and the Royal seat will be vacated for him to sit. Which throne and Oba is bigger?

santaclaws:


Oba, means something that's above (from the word "ba" which means over or above) that's why we say in Yoruba language "oba ba lori oun gbogbo" meaning the king or ruler is above all. The etymology is purely Yoruba and if it's used anywhere else, it's borrowed.

Secondly, those kings with titles like Ooni, Alaafin, Soun etc have their unique names as part of their mini kingdoms and they are all called Oba as well. All major kingdoms in Yoruba land have traditional titles but officially they are all called Oba!

For instance the Ooni of Ife, the Paramount ruler of Yoruba land is called Oba Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi CFR.

The traditional title is different from the formal title in Yoruba land, but they are all Obas. This shows that Yoruba land consists of various sub-ethnic groups and it is indeed a large kingdom.

Konquest:

I watched the long but engaging video of the Benin Royal Palace high chiefs to the Royal Palace of the Ooni of Ife (Uhe) yesterday and there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with what the high chiefs said or did. They even affirmed the authority of the Oba of Benin while affirming the ancestral relationship between the Royal Palace of Benin and the Royal Palace of Ife through Oranmiyan who was the first Oba of Benin and the father of Oba Owomika (Oba Eweka) in that video.

So, the BTC should calm down, watch the full video and not escalate things any further.

The Ooni of Ife (Oba Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi) will definitely step in by speaking on the phone or physically to the Oba of Benin over this and there will be a thawing of the situation, leading to the restoration of the full rights of the high chiefs by BTC.

Raf4:


You have just said it 100% correctly. For the fact that Bini Traditional Council quickly rushed to suspend them speaks volume. There's something they're hiding.
What those chiefs said corresponds with what is publicly known by everyone right from time immemorial. What Bini people are saying now (that Oduduwa was their lost prince) is relatively new and there is no history book or research work in support of this that’s up to 25 years old. It was a propaganda promoted by the immediate past Oba Erediauwa in his book published in 2004.

Ologbo147:
you did not get the full video, in this video below, he talked about Oduduwa being Ekaladerhan from Benin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lpgL7dZh0w?si=3SCNSu9gJ7pSX6yf

Shattuck:
lies in ancient times this was how your ooni were addressed Ooni Lafogido, Ooni Osinkola, Ooni Ogboru and Ooni Giesi, even the recent one is addressed as ooni adeyeye enitan, and to further enlighten you on how a Benin prince was at one time king of ile ife, your ife kingdom has never been ruled by one family since ancient times, even the title is rotated among families how can such a civilization which does not even practice true monarch, found the Benin kingdom with a direct ancestry? According to the history a Benin prince was exiled and he left for ife and became the ruler of ife when his father passed he sent one of his sons to become the new ruler. That is the truth even your ile ife till this day does not have a direct line of succession,which means even in ancient days it would have been easy for anyone to be ruler of ife. Which also corroborates the story of a Benin prince who become the ooni of ife.

santaclaws:


Omo n'oba itself is from the Yoruba "omo oba", which means "Prince" or "the child of a king" in Yoruba language. This corroborates the fact that a Prince from Yoruba land became a king in Benin Kingdom.

If the traditional title of your kings means prince in Yoruba and the official title means king, it clearly shows you people are from Yoruba land, whether you like it or not! The titles alone constitute irrefutable empirical evidence!

Shattuck:
omo means child in Benin, an oba is not a traditional Yoruba word,it is a borrowed word from the Benin kingdom, omoN oba N edo means child of the king of Benin, if oba means king in Yorubaland how come non of your king bear the oba as title? Except the oba of lagos who is a descendant of the benin kingdom, you claim ife gave Benin a king, how come ife has never been ruled by one lineage or family even since ancient times, it has always been rotated, even in ife today the kingship is been rotated. How can you give people a monarchy when you don't even know who your monarch is?

HBB1:



Your rambling does not make sense.

How many Yoruba Kingdoms have a direct line of succession?
Rotation through royal families has been ongoing for centuries.

If I may ask, what is the meaning of Oba in Benin.
The Yorubas have told you it means-- overlord or ruler in their language.

Oba-- the one who lords over
Olokada-- the one who rides bikes
Olopa-- the one who holds/owns/wields the stick

You get the drift?

Ooni is a title, same is Alaafin or Soun.
They are however still Obas and are addressed as such.

The Ooni is the Oba of Ife.
The Alaafin is the Oba of Oyo.

The Oba of Bini is the Omo n'Oba ( Omo oba)

Shattuck:
lies in ancient times this was how your ooni were addressed Ooni Lafogido, Ooni Osinkola, Ooni Ogboru and Ooni Giesi, even the recent one is addressed as ooni adeyeye enitan, and to further enlighten you on how a Benin prince was at one time king of ile ife, your ife kingdom has never been ruled by one family since ancient times, even the title is rotated among families how can such a civilization which does not even practice true monarch, found the Benin kingdom with a direct ancestry? According to the history a Benin prince was exiled and he left for ife and became the ruler of ife when his father passed he sent one of his sons to become the new ruler. That is the truth even your ile ife till this day does not have a direct line of succession,which means even in ancient days it would have been easy for anyone to be ruler of ife. Which also corroborates the story of a Benin prince who become the ooni of ife.

PressMyButton:
Four things are very clear;
1. That those individuals that visited Ooni's palace are indeed traditional functionaries of the Benin kingdom.
2. That the suspension signifies the fact that they are indeed serving royal chiefs of the Benin kingdom.
3. That the Benin kingdom are hiding some truths from the people of Benin.
4. That the suspension would not deter more people close to the palace to come out with more truths as the people truly know their own history.

Zeezenho:


Oduduwa himself is a bini prince. Stop deceiving yourself.

aswani:


Sorry to say but on this thread of ridiculous stuff, this is the most ridiculous thing said so far.

There is clearly a direct nexus between Benin and Yoruba and that is the Royal family. They are two distinct people who I doubt have ever fought any wars despite been next to each other.

What do you gain or lose by being subject to the Ooni sef?

I have read some dross from Obidients on Nairaland, never thought I would read anything that surpasses what Obidients post.

Google (e pá) Nowa Omoigui to learn what joins both these two great people together, at least someone has made the effort to put in down for posterity.

Shattuck:
lies the ooni does not bear the title oba historically the title ooni,alaafin is the title not oba. 2. Oba is a title specifically used to address the ruler of Benin kingdom as it is not a Yoruba word by origin maybe borrowed before if oba truly means king alot of your kings would be address by the oba title, only the oba of lagos who is a descendant of Benin goes by that title,. 3 oba word is just like the word priest, or deacon or archbishop, it does not have generic meaning as it is specially reserved for the ruler of the Benin kingdom just like deacon is specially used in Christianity, my guess on how oba came to be part of your Yoruba lexicon is that it is a modern word probably gotten from the oba of lagos title which signifies king and you just added it to your prefix,