adaspire:

I have a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics but I am extremely good in Mathematics,
How and where can I use my talent and skill?

tanimola22:

OP,

What you have done is called information asymmetry. Anybody can wake up one day and say he or she is the best thing that ever happened to this world.
Just how good are you? Please give us details about your background and academic record(s). Maybe I can offer one or two suggestions.

And please don't bother responding if your response is that you are better than the first class and 2:1 guys in your class, but you yourself do not have the stellar grades. This line of reasoning is not uncommon here on nairaland.

Thanks,
Tanimola22.

adaspire:

I have a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics but I am extremely good in Mathematics,
How and where can I use my talent and skill?

AjanleKoko:

OP said that he/she is extremely good in mathematics. I presume the OP views mathematics as his/her key area of strength, not necessarily that he/she is the best in their class, or whatever.


@OP,
If you have an aptitude for mathematics, you can probably do well in finance or statistical-related careers.

tanimola22:

Agreed, you are not wrong. And I don't belittle people either; however, he or she should (well not must sha) be able to show us what he or she has done as a proof of his or her key strength area. At least, we would be able to quantify the key strength area and then counsel accordingly. Or am I off point? Maybe sha, I am not sure again. But I know that mathematics is very, very broad. I know people who are extremely good at applied mathematics (physics, some engineering fields and co), but suck very badly in pure mathematics or statistics. For one to say that one is extremely good at mathematics without giving details as to the specific area(s) is, in my opinion, only laughable at best. This talk reminds me of my undergraduate days where some students left engineering departments for mathematics department with the mentality that 'they know mathematics very well' and so they would do very well in mathematics department. Well, to cut the long story short, the one who did well among them just managed to graduate. Reality dawned on them when they got to know that mathematics is not just calculus or ODEs or PDEs or mechanics.

Or OP, did you mean to say you like 'computing derivatives, solving ODEs and PDEs or solving algebraic equations or doing linear algebra'? If that is the case, then let us know. We know what to tell you. Meanwhile, ODEs and PDEs are just a tiny area of mathematics. Mathematics is broader than those areas, my bro or sis. In my experience, people that are sound in the stated areas hate things like abstract mathematics (rings, groups, measure theory, fields, functional analysis and co). Do we still conclude that such people have excellent knowledge of mathematics or are extremely good at mathematics? If you asked me, I would obviously say an emphatic no! This is not a secondary school view of mathematics.

I believe I have now made myself understandable just in case I could not achieve clarity earlier.


Truly yours,
T22

bookface:

:-x

AjanleKoko:

^^
Both you guys funny sha.
Bragging about how much you guys know about different areas of mathematics?

Are y'all professors of math or something?

tanimola22:

Nobody is bragging. My post was humble enough and clear.

I or we needed to know how one person would be an expert in every area of mathematics. A certain poster said this is possible and claimed that my ignorance would soon be revealed.  I responded to the poster and said that I needed an example because I assumed the poster is very vast in the subject he contributed. I just wanted an example before I start the real argument if the given example lacks substance.

Still waiting for the example. At least, your example would prove Alan Beardon of Cambridge University wrong, and I would personally send him your example to your honour.

Oya, expose my ignorance. I am waiting.

bookface:


Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky
János Bolyai
Augustin-Louis Cauchy
Karl Weierstrass
Bernhard Riemann
Carol Alexander
Paul Wilmott
Damiano Brigo
Phelim Boyle
Gunduz Caginalp
Louis Bachelier
Peter Jaeckel
R. Scott Morris

------- are all called mathematicians, because they've embraced mathematics as a way of life.  The fact that some of them have chosen to specialize in a specific field does not necessarily mean they aren't hot shots at the rest. 

Case in View: Carol Alexander.

Carol Alexander studied something in the line of algebraic number theory; she taught advanced econometrics  at Oxford; taught calculus at an advanced level at Reading/supervised phd students working on game theory; worked as an Algorithmic director; wrote books on Market risk analysis; has written dozens of journals on topics in advanced mathematical theory and computer programming.

If you've found a student who's only good at statistics but sucks badily at calculus, then you have simply found yourself a book worm and i suspect that you, my friend, are a book worm, not a mathematician. That you come on a public forum to announce your knowledge of ODEs and PDEs plus how you've spent donkey years studying the history of mathematics, plus how you've dined and wined with Alan who? all the more proves you are just a normal everyday guy who happened to stumble on a few maths textbook here and there.

bookface:


Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky
János Bolyai
Augustin-Louis Cauchy
Karl Weierstrass
Bernhard Riemann
Carol Alexander
Paul Wilmott
Damiano Brigo
Phelim Boyle
Gunduz Caginalp
Louis Bachelier
Peter Jaeckel
R. Scott Morris

------- are all called mathematicians, because they've embraced mathematics as a way of life.  The fact that some of them have chosen to specialize in a specific field does not necessarily mean they aren't hot shots at the rest. 

Case in View: Carol Alexander.

Carol Alexander studied something in the line of algebraic number theory; she taught advanced econometrics  at Oxford; taught calculus at an advanced level at Reading/supervised phd students working on game theory; worked as an Algorithmic director; wrote books on Market risk analysis; has written dozens of journals on topics in advanced mathematical theory and computer programming.

If you've found a student who's only good at statistics but sucks badily at calculus, then you have simply found yourself a book worm and i suspect that you, my friend, are a book worm, not a mathematician. That you come on a public forum to announce your knowledge of ODEs and PDEs plus how you've spent donkey years studying the history of mathematics, plus how you've dined and wined with Alan who? all the more proves you are just a normal everyday guy who happened to stumble on a few maths textbook here and there.

@facebook: twould be fair if u put back the post you deleted.

Don’t even try taking me on. I am a solid mathematics graduate. I will floor you at once. Reading university, not so cool.

So, tell us, Mr Solid Maths Graduate, which "specific field"  of maths graduate are you? I'd assume by the rubbish you've successfully posted up there and also given the broad nature of mathematics, no individual can simply lay claim to being a maths graduate, No?

I have a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics[b] but I am extremely good in Mathematics[/b],

Go straight to the point. Give nairalanders an example of someone who the world knows as an expert in all fields of mathematics.

Stop beating about the bush. I deal with well-educated people. There are some of them on nairaland. You don't appear as one. This topic you are on has exposed you.

bookface:

^^

don't be stuppyd, whatever is wrong with goggled names?

Mathematics is a broad discipline, YES!. .but it's also a discipline that cuts across each other. Defining expertise come with objectivity. In my view, you're an expert in a field as long as you can apply existing knowledge or abstract thoughts to solve practical problems in such fields.   There's no rocket science involved;

If you aren't good at Calculus and Algebra, there's no way you can claim to be an expert in Differential Equations----if you aren't smart at differential equations, there's no way you can work on complex variables----if you aren't smart at complex variables, there's no way you can be an expert in group/number/knot theory.

Many of the individual names i listed up there have special interests in specific fields or another, but more likely than not, they do have expertise in unrelated mathematical disciplines.  

Saying[i] "I'm a mathematician who likes statistics but hate algebra"[/i] is pathetic and laughable.

I don't see how it will add value to what is being discussed.  Much of what was in the initial post had an insulting tone to it and on second thoughts, i feel it's best if i don't tow that line.



So, tell us, Mr Solid Maths Graduate, which "specific field"  of maths graduate are you? I'd assume by the rubbish you've successfully posted up there and also given the broad nature of mathematics, no individual can simply lay claim to being a maths graduate, No?

meiloya:

[/b]

Your logical ability is really very, very weak. It is an insult to debate with a person like you. So, to you and your shallow mind, being a graduate of mathematics implies being an expert in all areas of mathematics? You are indeed a non-physical or quantitative science graduate. Why meddle into a matter you know nothing about? Your logic is weak and pathetic.

Is this what we call a graduate or may be Reading University graduate. Naija's future, I weep!

Answer the question-

bookface:

^^

I suppose this question is a bit too difficult for you to answer, no?

especially given that the OP's original post was

and the same Tanimola, whom you found his post very inspiring, would like to know which specific "kind" of mathematics he's good at.

"I deal with well educated people, bla bla bla and the world revolves around my ego bloated, empty headed, face "

Most people i know don't go about asserting how smart they are, people who do are more likely than not, suffering self esteem issues, usually from their own deficiencies in the field they claim to be "experts" in.

I suggest you be the one to bury your head in shame, not unless you could provide examples of people who are only experts at one field of mathematics and suck badly at others. 



House, see this one is asking me questions with questions. Can you just see the naija mentality clearly being displayed here- Gush. I asked, T22 or yamazu moderator, a simple question and the so called learned graduate responded with another question.

It is obviously that you have lost it. Pride will never make you see road. I will give you time to google and come up with good and well articulated answers.

You are intellectually pathetic. I know some non-hard science grads on nairaland that would argue more sensibly. You are clearly and definitely not one of them. You are no more coherent.

I am beginning to sense that I am wasting my time. Imagine asking questions when asked a question.

Poor logic!

bookface:

I'm starting to have the feeling that I'm merely wasting time discussing with a dun[i]c[/i]e , whose IQ probably bears the same digit with his age.  First and foremost, i never mentioned that I'm a Reading graduate, or do you suffer from dyslexia too?

Second, if you read from the very beginning, in this case, I'm assuming you have any smartness in you to understand the simplest bits, I have clearly mentioned who i believe an expert in a certain subject should be.

House, see this one is asking me questions with questions. Can you just see the naija mentality clearly being displayed here- Gush. I asked, T22 or yamazu moderator, a simple question and the so called learned graduate responded with another question.

It is obviously that you have lost it. Pride will never make you see road. I will give you time to google and come up with good and well articulated answers.

You are intellectually pathetic. I know some non-hard science grads on nairaland that would argue more sensibly. You are clearly and definitely not one of them. You are no more coherent.

I am beginning to sense that I am wasting my time. Imagine asking questions when asked a question.

Poor logic!

Give an example of a person that is an expert in all FIELDS of mathematics.

bookface:

^^

I suppose this question is a bit too difficult for you to answer, no?

especially given that the OP's original post was

and the same Tanimola, whom you found his post very inspiring, would like to know which specific "kind" of mathematics he's good at.

"I deal with well educated people, bla bla bla and the world revolves around my ego bloated, empty headed, face "

Most people i know don't go about asserting how smart they are, people who do are more likely than not, suffering self esteem issues, usually from their own deficiencies in the field they claim to be "experts" in.

I suggest you be the one to bury your head in shame, not unless you could provide examples of people who are only experts at one field of mathematics and suck badly at others. 

meiloya:


You are really very pathetic and not so smart. Although forum members might not want to talk, but they can all see big flaws in your arguments. Does being a smart mathematics graduate make me an expert in mathematics? No!

I am really sorry for you. Keep on exposing your ignorance. I am on point and I am very sure of this one.

Don't hold the next iron for dear life. Give the house an example of your so called experts in all FIELDs of mathematics.

meiloya:

I have to talk on this one.


Tyro (hope u even know the meaning sef),

Why not bury your head in shame or learn from a compatriot who obviously knows this subject matter far better than you do? Pride will kill ignorant Nigerians someday.

All the links you gave were purely goggled. Even at that, most of your so called all-round-experts- in mathematics are actually financial mathematicians, risks analysts and professors of financial mathematics. The other ones are geometricians and experts in other fields. Riemann, is integration theory and surfaces. Cauchy, even though he contributed very well to the field of mathematics, can never be regarded as an expert in all kinds of mathematics. I can also see that you are trying to change the topic of debate. This shows that you are one business admin guy, or´accounting guy or econs guy or FINANCE guy trying to fool others and contribute to what he knows nothing about. You are really pathetic.

Don’t even try taking me on. I am a solid mathematics graduate. I will floor you at once. Reading university, not so cool.

@OP, just do your best and improve on any skills you have. You will get there. I promise you. First class or no first class. Just be sedulous.

@ Ajanlekoka, Thanks Sir for your previous advices. I am making headways regarding securing a job. I am already interviewing with top MNCs around the world. It's not been easy!

@Tanimola22, I suspect I know you. You mentioned Alan Beardon. He is an Emeritus Professor of Cambridge Uni; he gave a very short course at my school. A very vast mathematician who acknowledges his limitations haha. Did you attend Unilag Math and later Part 3 Tripollis in Cambridge? I am putting two and two together. Tani, is it you? U be nairalander? Talk now now.

@yamakuza

Are you sure the man/woman knows what ALL FIELDS is? I doubt from his post. Let's see what he will come up with next. Perhaps, Wole Soyinka is an expert in all fields of mathematics.

By the way, Chike Obi, the renowned Nigerian mathematician, last taught in my alma mater before his death at 84 or so. not sure the exact age.

bookface:
Defining expertise come with objectivity. In my view, you're an EXPERT in a field as long as you can apply existing knowledge or abstract thoughts to solve practical problems in such fields.   There's no rocket science involved;

yamakuza:

Sir,

Now would be a good time to honorably concede defeat before The Marines arrive, lol!

I perceive the flaw in your arguments stem from this myopic view :

You should first answer our Question, the one you have been dodging, before we attempt to re-answer yours.

Thank you.

bookface:

Your question wouldn't be making sense unless of course there are specifics you'd like to see in someone regarded as being an expert in every field of mathematics.  if you can provide information on the evidence you'd be looking for in such an individual, then I'm happy to spam this place with a list of names.  other than that, i suggest you all should stop hiding behind ambiguity!

That asides, I provided an example of Paul Wilmott, you'd have to give me a reason to believe he's not an expert in every area of mathematics, now the ball is in your court.

If you are also replying, could you make sure you include in your example a renowned mathematician who couldn't punch above his weights in other fields of mathematics? 

Kindly provide 1 (or more, so we know its not an isolated case) person(s) who was an EXPERT, GURU, TOP 5%, MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE in AT LEAST 15 of the 19 (or more) branches of Mathematics

Shock:

I think the issue here is pride, than people wanting to add value to the thread, and from what I can personally gather, the difference is in how everyone defines the term "experts"

Shock:

Abi o, which one are you self? A knowledgable mathematician or an expert? Because I don hear say you self be solid maths graduta