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Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 12:58am On Jan 11
A40:

Baba capitulation get levels oh. You no fit compare that Spurs own at all. The Spurs had 2 road games leading 3-2. The Warriors led 3-1 with 2 home games to play. And the Spurs were a much older team

The reality is Spurs had dominated Heats in that series until the final miracle shots of Tony Allen. In game 6, the organisers had been shown already setting up the post game ceremony because everyone thought Spurs had them in Texas but it wasn't to be. I cannot take anything from Pop but I can categorically say more people expected Spurs to win Heats in game 6 than they expected GSW to beat Cavs in game 5 (Bogut and Green out). Maybe I am just nitpicking but that's a fact. Also recall 2000, 2004, 2006, 2015 are some of the years pundits expected Spurs to repeat as champs but they flailed and failed. I remember Memphis sweeping them at some point. Coaches can make mistakes.
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 1:00am On Jan 11
nairamaniac:

Totally agree.
When I saw all the innovations Steve instantly brought to warriors. My memory instantly went to what Guadiola brought to Barca.
What Steve did to Curry is identical to what pep did to messi.

Efficiency meeting entertainment, Precision meeting quickness.
Usually, it should take a team like 20 to 24 seconds to execute the kind of offence golden state executes. But it takes them like 10 to 15 seconds at times.
This should be the most mobile team iv ever seen. Or one-of.
Against Warriors you just can't tell which player is coming off screens to take the shot.
I think he's a genius.


Even if pop is 1st, I don't think he's that far ahead of Steve. We respect pop due to logivity and having the longest playoffs-streak.
But can we call pop an innovator like Phil Jackson, or Steve or d'antonini?
One thing I had against pop was using several seasons to win a particular championship.

Pop could rebuild the spurs for years towards winning one title. Then stay average/competitive for years, then resurface again to compete for the title.

Kerr's style and innovations to the game would always keep his team as title contenders more consistently than pop did for spurs.

I agree with almost everything here (perhaps apart from innovator as I believe Pop is). But the bolded aspect is right. He is too methodical and sometimes boring. That's a weakness to his style to me.
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 1:02am On Jan 11
nairamaniac:


Curry had potentials and good stat line before Kerr came on board.
But Kerr made him a weapon on mass destruction. That's the difference.
Do you really notice the spacing curry's presence makes available in golden states offence.

Opponents have to marking him like 2 to 3 feet away from the arc. Such science is unheard of in basket ball.
And usually, most times a player is useful that early in an offence or that far off from the basket, what happens is that he is not directly involved in the made point. At most situations, he is involved in the pass that led to the assist that led to the points.
But being that far away and directly involved in ending the offence is very difficult. It shows the player has covered a lot of space and usage.
Ending in points shows your usage-rate is at par with your efficiency.

I'm not a fan of golden states.
But iv hardly seen better ball movement in my life.
Kerr brought this to on board.

No coach can make a great player great but a bad coach can stifle a great player's growth. Many don't seem to realize that.
Re: The NBA Begins by Donlittle(m): 1:21am On Jan 11
Una they say kerr come close to pop?
Re: The NBA Begins by SIRcumalot: 1:40am On Jan 11
can pop win a ring without team duncan ?
make we dey watch grin
this raptors-celtics game should be something.
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 2:10am On Jan 11
A40:

Shuuuu. Ogini na fio? Chale are you serious ni or is this just bants? Even the Kerr una dey praise was under whose tutelage?

Do you know how many head coaches Pop has influenced? Even Phil Jackson does not come close. You need to follow the evolution of the Spurs from bruising gritty and grimy days of the Twin Towers, where they would just pound teams to oblivion to the days of Tony Parker, Ginobili where they played with finesse and continental flair. To the 2014 Final where they produced the most dominant display in history against 3 HOFers

Pop is the Innovator. Oludasile. And the reason International players are thriving in the league. Even this Golden State ball movement pattern na him start am

He won 4 titles from 99-2007. Has never missed the playoffs or done less than 50 wins in a full season. Without ever having the absolute best player in the league. Which dominance pass that one

Let me summarise my answer to this post.

Truly pop is an innovator. But I prefare Kerr's level of innovation to pop.
Pop is like cruff, While Kerr is like Guadiola.
Its only natural for pop to have influence more coaches than Kerr. Cos pop has been there for 20. While Kerr has been there for 2years.
And mind u, Kerr's kind of offence is bubbling under in places below NBA levels.
Have you heard the way high schools are shooting threes like crazy in the u.s these days? We WD be decieving ourselves to soley credit curry for that.

The warriors and Kerr are the reason most teams in the NBA are shooting more threes these days. Including my cavs, even if they may not admit it.
Meaning kerr's already influencing an entire generation and the rest of league.

Finally, something else I have against pop is his influence on TIM Duncan's career. I actually felt he should have done more with Duncan than he did.
What the hell is one-mvp for a player of Duncan's caliber? We all know how Duncan came into the league. Duncan WD have easily been 1st pick and ROY ahead of Iverson if he had entered for the 96draft.
But after like 10years into his career, pop was only saving him for playoffs, hereby killing his potentials and historical-stats. Meanwyl, he was the star player for most of those years.

About 2014 finals, that's an argument for another day. There were 3 hall of famers that finals. But me thinks they were already fagged out from making the last 3 finals before that one. That wasn't the same miami heat we had seen the last two final-series prior to this one they list to spurs.


Conclusion: pop started it well. But Kerr added a lot to it to make it more beautiful.

Pop-frequent playoffs appearance.
Kerr-frequent finals appearance.
Re: The NBA Begins by SIRcumalot: 2:39am On Jan 11
na two mvp duncan get
@nairamaniac
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 2:39am On Jan 11
Donlittle:
Una they say kerr come close to pop?
let Kerr and golden state do what they are doing for 5 to 10more years, first. Then we go know if he comes close to pop.
I'm not even a warriors fan.
But bros. Warriors offence is out of this world. Even before Durant came in.
Credit-kerr.
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 2:39am On Jan 11
Donlittle:
Una they say kerr come close to pop?
let Kerr and golden state do what they are doing for 5 to 10more years, first. Then we go know if he comes close to pop.
I'm not even a warriors fan.
But bros. Warriors offence is out of this world. Even before Durant came in.
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 2:42am On Jan 11
SIRcumalot:
na two mvp duncan get
@nairamaniac

Na true ohh. My bad, 2.
All the same, I felt he should have achieved more individually.
Re: The NBA Begins by SIRcumalot: 2:57am On Jan 11
nairamaniac:


Na true ohh. My bad, 2.
All the same, I felt he should have achieved more individually.
duncan is already a top 5 player by my estimation and a lot of people agree.
am not a big Pop fan,but he did right by duncan.


marcus smart dey kill the raptors for this game.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Donlittle(m): 2:57am On Jan 11
Duncan will go down as arguably the greatest Power Forward to play the game(Ya'll know how much A40 and I love Dirk, and even us no argue), 2 mvp, 5 rings, what more does he wants or needs to validate his greatness?

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Re: The NBA Begins by Donlittle(m): 3:03am On Jan 11
Kerr will need to do what pop has done to ever come close to him for maybe 10 years straight at the game, Pop transcended the game please, everything the warriors are doing now, isn't that Mike D' Antoni offense? Abi i they dream ni?

Please let's us not be throwing names around anyhow. Yes Kerr has been special to that warriors team, but let us leave it at that. Throwing his name around pop name na disrespect. That's like saying when the Miami heat was on that run, spoelstra na bad guy, what has he achieved now please? or saying tyrone lue comes close to pop if he happens to win again this year? ah, na wa for una o.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Donlittle(m): 3:08am On Jan 11
popovich won 67 games last, 67, if that man wasn't resting players last year, i dare say he would have gotten 70 wins. with 37+ years old men like duncan, ginobili, and parker. Na kerr una say come close to that man? ol boy, na wa o sad
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 3:13am On Jan 11
A40:
If you claim Pop is better than Phil sef I might disagree but I no go argue with you. Its an insult on Pop's personality to dey compare am with Steve Kerr. Sir Popovich na him dem suppose to call am abeg. Let's give credit where its due

Donlittle:
Kerr will need to do what pop has done to ever come close to him for maybe 10 years straight at the game, Pop transcended the game please, everything the warriors are doing now, isn't that Mike D' Antoni offense? Abi i they dream ni?

Please let's us not be throwing names around anyhow. Yes Kerr has been special to that warriors team, but let us leave it at that. Throwing his name around pop name na disrespect. That's like saying when the Miami heat was on that run, spoelstra na bad guy, what has he achieved now please? or saying tyrone lue comes close to pop if he happens to win again this year? ah, na wa for una o.

Some arguments are insulting and disrespectful to the history of the game we all love.

The same S. Kerr who was made to look ordinary by rookie head coach last year is being compared to Popovic!!!!!, why am i even gratifying this argument?

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Re: The NBA Begins by Donlittle(m): 3:17am On Jan 11
I don't think you guys watched the playoffs is it 2013? Warriors defeated denver nuggets, then went toe to toe with spurs? Everything warriors did last year, and this year, they did it in that series. Can someone confidently come and tell me what Steve Kerr has added? I mean change of plays, and all of that on that team? Yeah some changes there and there, finish. The one time we saw them struggle on the national scene, they choked to lebron. I'm not even hating on the warriors and kerr, but i dare say a lot of things that the warriors are doing now, they did it that year in the playoffs and that was when i noticed them.

Two things i will say kerr did that changed the warriors, putting iggy on the bench, and also, giving Draymond Green more touches on offense... and also the emergence of draymond green himself.
Re: The NBA Begins by Donlittle(m): 3:26am On Jan 11
Roland17:




Some arguments are insulting and disrespectful to the history of the game we all love.

The same S. Kerr who was made to look ordinary by rookie head coach last year is being compared to Popovic!!!!!, why am i even gratifying this argument?
very insulting. how on earth did this argument came up?
Re: The NBA Begins by SIRcumalot: 4:02am On Jan 11
lowry,jv and derozan mehn.
great game.
Re: The NBA Begins by Decale: 4:32am On Jan 11
Roland17, what happin? Never seen Celts lose this focus before oooo
Re: The NBA Begins by Mynd44: 4:32am On Jan 11
So you guys wanna compare Kerr to Pop now?

I can remember when someone on this site opened a thread to say Jeremy Lin was better than Hakeem Olajuwon. You people should continue
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 5:15am On Jan 11
Decale:
Roland17, what happin? Never seen Celts lose this focus before oooo

We lost our discipline and could not close the 4th quarter. We definitely missed Bradley, However, i expect such loses from this team. it is a vastly inexperienced team without a potent perimeter scorer.

Our bench outperformed that of the Raptors, however, the obvious lack of perimeter shooting continues to haunt this team. we try to compensate for that deficiency by attempting numerous 3 pointers.

A victory would have had us level with Raptors. The loss is kind of sweet and sour for me considering we held our own at the Air Canada Center.
Re: The NBA Begins by SIRcumalot: 8:25am On Jan 11
Donlittle:
Duncan will go down as arguably the greatest Power Forward to play the game( Ya'll know how much A40 and I love Dirk, and even us no argue), 2 mvp, 5 rings, what more does he wants or needs to validate his greatness?
phrasing cheesy.

Derozan going crazy is what happened to the Celtics.
Re: The NBA Begins by SIRcumalot: 8:35am On Jan 11
@nairamaniac tell them that Pop was also disgraced on live telly by a first time NBA coach also tell them that d'Antoni sun's cant play defense; this warriors can. wink

am just forking around o people.
Pop is one of the best of all times and no current coach working comes close,i just don't like the way man treats reporters sometimes.
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 8:35am On Jan 11
SIRcumalot:

duncan is already a top 5 player by my estimation and a lot of people agree.
am not a big Pop fan,but he did right by duncan.


marcus smart dey kill the raptors for this game.
I'm a big Duncan fan. I loved the spurs since David Robinson. Hope your saw the way part I said "individually".
At the long run, it paid up for the spurs. Duncan to me is at worst, top10. I wouldn't argue if you say top5 that how much I respect him.
U and I are on same page on him. But people who rate him much lower do that based on the fact that he hardly carried the spurs over stretch of years counting from like 8years before he retired. When my arguments for Duncan gets countered by things like these. I just say in my mind " no be ur fault. Na pop wey dey reserve Duncan energy for next 100years na him I blame".
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 8:43am On Jan 11
Mynd44:
So you guys wanna compare Kerr to Pop now?

I can remember when someone on this site opened a thread to say Jeremy Lin was better than Hakeem Olajuwon. You people should continue
its blasphemy to compare the career of kerr to that of pop. I would never do that.
But I believe I can compare the first two years of Kerr to the first two years of pop.
Within 2years Kerr has had his influences on the game. Let's give him credit.
I'm far from a golden state fan.
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 8:43am On Jan 11
SIRcumalot:
@nairamaniac tell them that Pop was also disgraced on live telly by a first time NBA coach also tell them that d'Antoni sun's can play defense; this warriors can. wink

am just forking around o people.
Pop is one of the best of all times and no current coach working comes close,i just don't like the way man treats reporters sometimes.

My own argument is not even whether anyone comes close to him or not- it is that even a great coach like Pop can make mistakes. So they can cut Kerr some slack. That 67 wins of last year was Pop's first. Kerr did it Rookie season. Any rookie coach can beat anyone when they have Lebron. And they can win any series when refs and the NBA join forces to help Lebron grin
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 10:32am On Jan 11
Eruditor:


My own argument is not even whether anyone comes close to him or not- it is that even a great coach like Pop can make mistakes. So they can cut Kerr some slack. That 67 wins of last year was Pop's first. Kerr did it Rookie season. Any rookie coach can beat anyone when they have Lebron. And they can win any series when refs and the NBA join forces to help Lebron grin
Gossssh, at times like these I realise how much I miss being at opposite sides with you. Your humour is brilliant grin grin grin

Now on another note, Kerr to me had nothing to do with Golden states loss to cavs.
Lebron stepped up and warriors choked.

Anyone who discredits Kerr for golden states loss should also credit Lue for cavs victory, which I would never be a party to.

Where I place Kerr close to pop is in terms of his philosophy he brought to the game. I hear people saying they had seen the same from Antonini in pheonix. But then again I tell them look deeper and in between the lines you must see the disparities.

I kind of feel Pop's success has more to do with his longivity and playoffs appearance consistencies than philosophy/innovations he brought to the game. While Kerr's success is the exact contrast.

When your philosophy in the same team is at its best, your worst seasons shouldn't be first round exists or having seasons whereby you just make the playoffs and not compete for titles.

The philosophy Kerr initiated to warriors, the very first time we all saw them top the conference and win the title two seasons ago, I guess we all concluded in our hearts that that team would be title contenders for the next 5 to 7 years.
Not becos they had the best players. But because it would take that long for other teams to:
1) duplicate their system
2) catch up with their system
The above were the exact things the world said in their minds the very first season pep guadiola coached barca to win all contested tournaments.

Same was said of said of Manchester united and Ferguson the very first season he brought in 7players from junior team to the first team and won his first title.
Does anyone want to tell me he or she said the same of pop the very first season he led spurs to the title 1999.
Philsophy is very strong amongst every other criteria. It should protect you from having stretches of average or poor seasons(with the same team).

Lastly, it takes a good manager to manage the affairs of a company in person.
But it takes a greater manager for the company to be well managed even in his absence. All that has to be done is maintain all he brought in.
Partly credit Kerr for Luke's success while the former was away.

Let Golden states do what they are doing for the next 10years first, then we can all sit down and talk if Kerr brought something special to the team and the game or not.

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Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 11:09am On Jan 11
Eruditor:


The reality is Spurs had dominated Heats in that series until the final miracle shots of Tony Allen. In game 6, the organisers had been shown already setting up the post game ceremony because everyone thought Spurs had them in Texas but it wasn't to be. I cannot take anything from Pop but I can categorically say more people expected Spurs to win Heats in game 6 than they expected GSW to beat Cavs in game 5 (Bogut and Green out). Maybe I am just nitpicking but that's a fact. Also recall 2000, 2004, 2006, 2015 are some of the years pundits expected Spurs to repeat as champs but they flailed and failed. I remember Memphis sweeping them at some point. Coaches can make mistakes.

Game 6 was in Miami. It was a 2-3-2 format. The Heat had home court so last 2 games were on their floor.

Everybody expected Golden state to win 1 game at least to seal the deal. With home advantage. Remember also that even the year Golden State won it was without Kyrie and Love. Still it took a film guy for Kerr to know he needed to make adjustments after Game 3.

In 2000 and 2004 who stopped them? Shaq and Kobe's Lakers not some moi moi team. If not for Pop that Laker team was doing a 4peat easily. Scratch 2015 too. Duncan Ginobili ought to have retired after revenging against the Heat. They were ooold bruh
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 11:41am On Jan 11
nairamaniac:

Let me summarise my answer to this post.

Truly pop is an innovator. But I prefare Kerr's level of innovation to pop.
Pop is like cruff, While Kerr is like Guadiola.
Its only natural for pop to have influence more coaches than Kerr. Cos pop has been there for 20. While Kerr has been there for 2years.
And mind u, Kerr's kind of offence is bubbling under in places below NBA levels.
Have you heard the way high schools are shooting threes like crazy in the u.s these days? We WD be decieving ourselves to soley credit curry for that.

The warriors and Kerr are the reason most teams in the NBA are shooting more threes these days. Including my cavs, even if they may not admit it.
Meaning kerr's already influencing an entire generation and the rest of league.

Finally, something else I have against pop is his influence on TIM Duncan's career. I actually felt he should have done more with Duncan than he did.
What the hell is one-mvp for a player of Duncan's caliber? We all know how Duncan came into the league. Duncan WD have easily been 1st pick and ROY ahead of Iverson if he had entered for the 96draft.
But after like 10years into his career, pop was only saving him for playoffs, hereby killing his potentials and historical-stats. Meanwyl, he was the star player for most of those years.

About 2014 finals, that's an argument for another day. There were 3 hall of famers that finals. But me thinks they were already fagged out from making the last 3 finals before that one. That wasn't the same miami heat we had seen the last two final-series prior to this one they list to spurs.


Conclusion: pop started it well. But Kerr added a lot to it to make it more beautiful.

Pop-frequent playoffs appearance.
Kerr-frequent finals appearance.
You have to realize that without a Cruyff there is no Pep to begin with. Barca owe their existence to him. Pep simply improved what was on ground.

I'm saying Kerr did not even start this 3-Ball movement. Didn't you see Nash's Suns? He only perfected it. And that process is relatively smoother when you have two of the best shooters in the game. Ever

I don't know what else you wanted out of Duncan with 5 Rings, 2 League MVPs, 3 Final MVPs. The playoffs are what matters and Duncan was not even the type to put individual accomplishment over titles

That Heat were younger and played in a weaker conference. Compared to the older Spurs in the West.

Spurs starting V that year
Parker
Green
Leonard (3rd year)
Duncan
Diaw

Kerr can never beat the Heat with that roster. This is someone that needed his film guy to make adjustments to beat a Cavs team missing two of their Big 3.

If not for Kobe and the Lakers we are talking 7 rings for Pop, maybe more
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:04pm On Jan 11
nairamaniac:

Gossssh, at times like these I realise how much I miss being at opposite sides with you. Your humour is brilliant grin grin grin

Now on another note, Kerr to me had nothing to do with Golden states loss to cavs.
Lebron stepped up and warriors choked.

Anyone who discredits Kerr for golden states loss should also credit Lue for cavs victory, which I would never be a party to.

Where I place Kerr close to pop is in terms of his philosophy he brought to the game. I hear people saying they had seen the same from Antonini in pheonix. But then again I tell them look deeper and in between the lines you must see the disparities.

I kind of feel Pop's success has more to do with his longivity and playoffs appearance consistencies than philosophy/innovations he brought to the game. While Kerr's success is the exact contrast.

When your philosophy in the same team is at its best, your worst seasons shouldn't be first round exists or having seasons whereby you just make the playoffs and not compete for titles.

The philosophy Kerr initiated to warriors, the very first time we all saw them top the conference and win the title two seasons ago, I guess we all concluded in our hearts that that team would be title contenders for the next 5 to 7 years.
Not becos they had the best players. But because it would take that long for other teams to:
1) duplicate their system
2) catch up with their system
The above were the exact things the world said in their minds the very first season pep guadiola coached barca to win all contested tournaments.

Same was said of said of Manchester united and Ferguson the very first season he brought in 7players from junior team to the first team and won his first title.
Does anyone want to tell me he or she said the same of pop the very first season he led spurs to the title 1999.
Philsophy is very strong amongst every other criteria. It should protect you from having stretches of average or poor seasons(with the same team).

Lastly, it takes a good manager to manage the affairs of a company in person.
But it takes a greater manager for the company to be well managed even in his absence. All that has to be done is maintain all he brought in.
Partly credit Kerr for Luke's success while the former was away.

Let Golden states do what they are doing for the next 10years first, then we can all sit down and talk if Kerr brought something special to the team and the game or not.



What the Suns lacked was the defensive grit and grime the Warriors got instilled in them by Mark Jackson. That is why the Suns always got bullied vs Spurs and Dallas. Plus Nash was never as dominant as Steph in terms of scoring.

The coaching tree of Pop alone shows his influence. Then the present rush for International players. Pop pioneered that. Grooming your players from the draft and having sustained success is all Pop.

The odd first round exit is pardonable when you can boast of 5 championships. Even the Kerr style you talk about. Hasn't he been caught and beaten already?

Kerr has a lot to prove and should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Pop till he beats a full strength Cavs team
Re: The NBA Begins by Decale: 12:09pm On Jan 11
SIRcumalot:

phrasing cheesy.

Derozan going crazy is what happened to the Celtics.

I wouldn't give Derozan that much credit. Celtics are one of the few teams that don't relinquish leads easily, up there with Cavs and Grizzlies. They resist and just push. Derozan and Valanciunas blowing in the 4th quarter would be Celtics factor really

But Valanciunas yesternight was BOMB!!!
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:51pm On Jan 11
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18449636/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-frustrated-recent-officiating

LeWhine has started LeComplaining again.

Btw why is no one talking about Hayward for the Jazz. Top 4 SF in the West IMO. Maybe top 7 in the league

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