in the below video,Hilary Clinton confesses that the US funded the terrorists they are fighting today and imported their Wahhabi (aka salafist) "brand of Islam" (that is to say,extremism,intolerance and brutality) to fight the soviets.needless to say,these wahhabis are the same people america is using today to tarnish the image of Islam and alll Muslims because of their extremism (aka terrorism) which the US had funded.please watch below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBhBkpDtDeo&feature=related

Clinton oya clap for yaself

LagosShia:

in the below video,Hilary Clinton confesses that the US funded the terrorists they are fighting today and imported their Wahhabi (aka salafist) "brand of Islam" (that is to say,extremism,intolerance and brutality) to fight the soviets.needless to say,these wahhabis are the same people america is using today to tarnish the image of Islam and alll Muslims because of their extremism (aka terrorism) which the US had funded.please watch below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBhBkpDtDeo&feature=related

and the shiites in Iran, Lebanon and the syrian terrorists were sponsored by the US? Yemeni muslims, pakistani muslims, Iraqi muslims, Sudan, somalia, Borno state of nigeria? All these muslims were also sponsored by the US?

Islam shld take responsibility for its actions rather than trying to blame others.

davidylan:

and the shiites in Iran, Lebanon and the syrian terrorists were sponsored by the US? Yemeni muslims, pakistani muslims, Iraqi muslims, Sudan, somalia, Borno state of nigeria? All these muslims were also sponsored by the US?

Islam shld take responsibility for its actions rather than trying to blame others.

you are a desperate christian.this isn't about elsewhere but wahhabi terrorists created by america who are now being used to label muslims.to your disappointment,i can convincingly answer you with a big "YES".all acts of terrorism and alqaeda inspired wahhabi/salafist extremists were nurtured by the USA to the admission of Clinton.what happens in pakistan,somalia,nigeria,and yemen are all wahhabi inspired and by alqaeda directly or their cells indirectly thanks to what the americans have created in the world.Muhammad Yusuf the slained boko haram leader became Shia according to one report but when he saw that Shia Islamic teachings do not foster extremism,intolerance and terrorism,he quickly jumped over to salafism/wahhabism.

in Sudan,it was more of a civil war,militancy,and uprising against the government.

in Iran,i dont know what you are talking about.are you referring to 5 iranian nuclear scientists that have been murdered by the secret agents of the israeli MOSSAD and the american CIA?

in Lebanon,hezbollah like sunni hamas in palestine are resistance movements fighting zionist occupation.they are no terrorists.but ofcourse anyone who raises a finger against israel is considered a terrorist by america.america nurtured alqaeda and the taliban and funded them against the soviets.they never saw them as terrorists then.but when america became target and the terrorist jewish entity called israel is resisted,they scream about terrorism.

in syria,you have a president to the admission of the western press that got the support of the majority of syrians.the so called "syrian revolution" is being created by the west and their puppets from the outside.the western wahhabi puppets like qatar and saudi arabia are pumping in money,weapons and media propaganda against the syrian leadership.the west is doing this because of israel since al-Assad supports hamas and hezbollah and he is a close ally of Shia iran.

LagosShia:

you are a desperate christian.this isn't about elsewhere but wahhabi terrorists created by america who are now being used to label muslims.to your disappointment,i can convincingly answer you with a big "YES".all acts of terrorism and alqaeda inspired wahhabi/salafist extremists were nurtured by the USA to the admission of Clinton.what happens in pakistan,somalia,nigeria,and yemen are all wahhabi inspired and by alqaeda directly or their cells indirectly thanks to what the americans have created in the world.Muhammad Yusuf the slained boko haram leader became Shia according to one report but when he saw that Shia Islamic teachings do not foster extremism,intolerance and terrorism,he quickly jumped over to salafism/wahhabism.

in Sudan,it was more of a civil war,militancy,and uprising against the government.

in Iran,i dont know what you are talking about.are you referring to 5 iranian nuclear scientists that have been murdered by the secret agents of the israeli MOSSAD and the american CIA?

in Lebanon,hezbollah like sunni hamas in palestine are resistance movements fighting zionist occupation.they are no terrorists.but ofcourse anyone who raises a finger against israel is considered a terrorist by america.america nurtured alqaeda and the taliban and funded them against the soviets.they never saw them as terrorists then.but when america became target and the terrorist jewish entity called israel is resisted,they scream about terrorism.

in syria,you have a president to the admission of the western press that got the support of the majority of syrians.the so called "syrian revolution" is being created by the west and their puppets from the outside.the western wahhabi puppets like qatar and saudi arabia are pumping in money,weapons and media propaganda against the syrian leadership.the west is doing this because of israel since al-Assad supports hamas and hezbollah and he is a close ally of Shia iran.

i'm not the one looking for excuses for islamic terror.

And the Alawite murderers in Syria?
How many sunni scholars have been murdered by the Iranians? How many sunni mosques are in Tehran?
Were Shayk Abdul Wahab alive, the murderers for delight would have put paid to his life
Saudi Arabia is supposed to be the bastion of wahabbism, So how come these wahhabi scholars are hated by the people US sponsored?

BTW Hilary can say whatever she likes but America is not about to start promoting Muslim unity

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this isn't a topic on two wrongs making a right.this is about the words of Hilary Clinton.

BetaThings:

And the Alawite murderers in Syria?

there are no Alawite murderers in Syria.there is wahhabi terror in Syria sponsored by Saudi Arabia and Qatar with blessing from the west.do you know how many suicide bombers have ravaged syrian lives in the name of "revolution"?they are spreading chaos.there are millions of Sunnis who support the President of Syria.this so called revolution in Syria which is a mockery is a foreign invention and something engineered by outsiders.they are smuggling weapons and terrorists into syria.

if you doubt my word,Mr.Wahhabi,i can show you videos of your wahhabi brothers beheading Syrians and Syrian police for refusing to oppose the rule of al-Assad.they were beheading people in the usual manner with shouting "Allahu Akbar".such animals and beasts tarnishing the image of Islam and Muslims!!!

How many sunni scholars have been murdered by the Iranians?

no one sir.except if you regard the "jundallah" terrorist organization members of Balouchistan as your "scholars".those are men who have attacked iranian security forces and killed revolutionary guards in terrorist operations and ambushes just like our own boko haram are doing.also,Jundallah have support from the CIA and the MOSSAD and the MI5 to destabilize Iran as they used wahhabi terrorists to fight the soviets.may be Nigeria should seek support and lessons from Iran on how to deal with western backed wahhabi terrorists.the iranians have successfully dealt with them and arrested their leaders and hanged them in very quick time.

How many sunni mosques are in Tehran?

INNAL MASAJIDA LILLAH FALA TADOU MA'ALLAHI AHADA!!! This is what the Quran states.

it says the "masajid" (places of worship/prostration) belong to Allah.so do not worship with Allah anyone.we do not believe there is "sunni" or "shia" mosques.all mosques belong to Allah.Tehran is predominantly Shia and the capital of Iran.you should ask whether the Shia in the eastern province of Saudi Arabia where they are majority are allowed to have mosques.why not?how can government employ wahhhabi scholars in Shia areas to run mosques?isnt that provocation and insult?

Were Shayk Abdul Wahab alive, the murderers for delight would have put paid to his life
Saudi Arabia is supposed to be the bastion of wahabbism, So how come these wahhabi scholars are hated by the people US sponsored?

the US gave rise to the wahhabi terrorism plaguing the world and tarnishing the image of Muslims.that is undeniable fact.dont ask me any why?ask the question to your extremist brothers who seek the smallest excuse to be killing and wasting life and property.this is not Islam.we are ashamed of these acts.

BTW Hilary can say whatever she likes but America is not about to start promoting Muslim unity

does promoting Muslim unity ever a wahhabi goal? they are the ones causing all the division in the muslim world by declaring other muslims "heretics" and "unbelievers" and permitting their killing through takfir fatwas (fatwas of disbelief).does wahhabi suicide bombers bombing Shia Muslims in Karbala and Najaf promoting unity?

Hilary is just stating what everyone knows.her words are only confirming what the world already knows.they made bin laden and funded wahhabi extremism which got out of control as they later on turned against "mother" america and bit the hand that fed them.

^^^^

LagosShia:

there are no Alawite murderers in Syria.there is wahhabi terror in Syria sponsored by Saudi Arabia and Qatar with blessing from the west.do you know how many suicide bombers have ravaged syrian lives in the name of "revolution"?they are spreading chaos.there are millions of Sunnis who support the President of Syria.this so called revolution in Syria which is a mockery is a foreign invention and something engineered by outsiders.they are smuggling weapons and terrorists into syria.

Of course, the massacre of over a hundred people over the weekend did not happen! Those people committed suicide
And the Alawite security forces are unarmed!
Spinning and spinning

LagosShia:

if you doubt my word,Mr.Wahhabi,i can show you videos of your wahhabi brothers beheading Syrians and Syrian police for refusing to oppose the rule of al-Assad.they were beheading people in the usual manner with shouting "Allahu Akbar".such animals and beasts tarnishing the image of Islam and Muslims!!!

So how come President Assad not shown the videos all around the world
Terrorists abound all around the world
A sunni shayk which Shayk Abdul Wahhab was would have told those terrorists
"Whoever takes up arms against us is not from us" (Bukhari)
But for you to ascribe terrorism which even the Saudi people have suffered from to Shayk Abdul Wahhab's teaching is desperation
BTW is name-calling one of the fundamental tenets of Shiism?

LagosShia:

no one sir.except if you regard the "jundallah" terrorist organization members of Balouchistan as your "scholars".those are men who have attacked iranian security forces and killed revolutionary guards in terrorist operations and ambushes just like our own boko haram are doing.also,Jundallah have support from the CIA and the MOSSAD and the MI5 to destabilize Iran as they used wahhabi terrorists to fight the soviets.may be Nigeria should seek support and lessons from Iran on how to deal with western backed wahhabi terrorists.the iranians have successfully dealt with them and arrested their leaders and hanged them in very quick time.

Alhamdu li Llah that you cannot reach across the computer to me
I too would have become a CIA/Mossad agent, found guilty and murdered in quick time
Goebbels must admire your skills

LagosShia:

INNAL MASAJIDA LILLAH FALA TADOU MA'ALLAHI AHADA!!! This is what the Quran states.

it says the "masajid" (places of worship/prostration) belong to Allah.so do not worship with Allah anyone.we do not believe there is "sunni" or "shia" mosques.all mosques belong to Allah.Tehran is predominantly Shia and the capital of Iran.you should ask whether the Shia in the eastern province of Saudi Arabia where they are majority are allowed to have mosques.why not?how can government employ wahhhabi scholars in Shia areas to run mosques?isnt that provocation and insult?

So why do you carry your own pebbles around
and not prostrate on the same soil like everyone does?
So you really expect me to worship behind people who actually ascribe infallibility to human beings
Is that not shirk?
Shias are many and allowed a lot of freedom in Saudi Arabia. Just ask people who live there
Compared to the Sunnis in Iran, the Shias in Saudi Arabia are masters of the manor
Nobody is asking the Shia government to pay sunni scholars
Just allow Iranian citizens who don't believe in 12 Imams (enshrined in the constitution) to worship Allah like sunnis
Nobody can beat Shias in provocation and insult really. Can they?

LagosShia:

the US gave rise to the wahhabi terrorism plaguing the world and tarnishing the image of Muslims.that is undeniable fact.dont ask me any why?ask the question to your extremist brothers who seek the smallest excuse to be killing and wasting life and property.this is not Islam.we are ashamed of these acts.
does promoting Muslim unity ever a wahhabi goal? they are the ones causing all the division in the muslim world by declaring other muslims "heretics" and "unbelievers" and permitting their killing through takfir fatwas (fatwas of disbelief).does wahhabi suicide bombers bombing Shia Muslims in Karbala and Najaf promoting unity?

Hilary is just stating what everyone knows.her words are only confirming what the world already knows.they made bin laden and funded wahhabi extremism which got out of control as they later on turned against "mother" america and bit the hand that fed them.

May I have visuals of the meetings between Shayk Abdul Wahhab and the US officials?
So what are the aqeeda of my so-called "extremist brothers"?
And please quote the fatawa of the major sunni scholars today about terrorism
Of course, shirk is heresy and people who do tawwasul through human beings or do grave worship, should we shy from the truth
making takfir of muslims is a very very delicate issue and should not be toyed with by a muslim who does not want to become a kafir
So don't just make statements by glossing over the the rules
Nevertheless, Sunnis believe that we should embrace people with correct aqeeda

Of course the greatest takfir exponents are the Shias. So why should they be envious that some renegades are quick to emulate them
If in doubt ask the companions (RA) the rightly guided caliphs (RA) and even the mother of the believers (RA)

I am just saying that Hilary is fighting another phase of the battle against Islam
as they are confessing to one, they are laying the foundation of the second one

BetaThings:

^^^^
Of course, the massacre of over a hundred people over the weekend did not happen! Those people committed suicide
And the Alawite security forces are unarmed!
Spinning and spinning

firstly in syria,there is nothing called "alawite security forces".how twisted can someone get.its like calling the nigerian army "ijaw security forces" because the president is ijaw.does that make any sense? the syrian army and security forces have members from all communities and the sunnis in syria are a majority.

the funny part is the refusal of every ill-intended person to admit the presence of armed thugs and militia fighters in syria.these militias are wrecking havoc and killing people.when they do,the west and their arab wahhabi puppets still hold the syrian security forces responsible.also there are thousands of these militiamen in syria.when the government forces kill them in battle,they are still portrayed as "innocent civilians".this is pathetic.

So how come President Assad not shown the videos all around the world
Terrorists abound all around the world
A sunni shayk which Shayk Abdul Wahhab was would have told those terrorists
"Whoever takes up arms against us is not from us" (Bukhari)
But for you to ascribe terrorism which even the Saudi people have suffered from to Shayk Abdul Wahhab's teaching is desperation
BTW is name-calling one of the fundamental tenets of Shiism?

the videos are not hidden in Assad's pockets or pant.they are on youtube and they are very horrific to watch.

this Sheikh Abdul Wahhab of yours you are making the wahhabi "prince of peace" was the same one who left Hijaz (presently Saudi Arabia) and went all the way to Karbala in Iraq,destroying the tomb of Imam Hussain (as) killing innocent people and destroying property in the name of "stopping bid'ah".this fanaticism of wanting to impose one's beliefs and ways and thinking on others is the hallmark of wahhabism and its abnormal founder who was abnormal to the admission of his own family members.

Alhamdu li Llah that you cannot reach across the computer to me
I too would have become a CIA/Mossad agent, found guilty and murdered in quick time
Goebbels must admire your skills

that is not our trademark.

So why do you carry your own pebbles around
and not prostrate on the same soil like everyone does?

you do not prostrate on soil.you prostrate on mat.we dont have to carry any clay around.if there is clean soil we pray on it.

So you really expect me to worship behind people who actually ascribe infallibility to human beings
Is that not shirk?

and do you expect me to follow sinful men and criminals? why dont you accept the stories that are found in the bible about prophets sleeping with their daughters and others going na.ked and others ra.ping?believe in those stories and then i will be convinced that you dont believe in infallibility and you dont commit what you godless fool with a beard like a goat is calling "shirk" and accusing other muslims of commiting.do you think you are more righteous than others? may God hold you responsible and cut your fingers that typed the word "shirk" to accuse us of it.

Shias are many and allowed a lot of freedom in Saudi Arabia. Just ask people who live there
Compared to the Sunnis in Iran, the Shias in Saudi Arabia are masters of the manor
Nobody is asking the Shia government to pay sunni scholars
Just allow Iranian citizens who don't believe in 12 Imams (enshrined in the constitution) to worship Allah like sunnis
Nobody can beat Shias in provocation and insult really. Can they?

the above shows you are either uninformed or illinformed.waste of time.

May I have visuals of the meetings between Shayk Abdul Wahhab and the US officials?

OMG!

when do you think sheikh abdul wahab lived? how can he have a meeting with USA officials ?

i ought to stop engaging and answering you here.it shows you are defending someone you dont even know who he is or when he was born and lived.

So what are the aqeeda of my so-called "extremist brothers"?
And please quote the fatawa of the major sunni scholars today about terrorism

please you can see the fatwas of the wahhabism and their killing habit:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-659269.0.html#msg8259061

Of course, shirk is heresy and people who do tawwasul through human beings or do grave worship, should we shy from the truth
making takfir of muslims is a very very delicate issue and should not be toyed with by a muslim who does not want to become a kafir
So don't just make statements by glossing over the the rules
Nevertheless, Sunnis believe that we should embrace people with correct aqeeda

please if you are wahhabi dont abuse the name of sunnis.you even pass takfir on sunnis.

and what you call "grave worship" is the figment of your imagination.and doing tawassul through human beings is allowed as you can see this sunni sheikh citing sunni hadiths and refuting wahhabi teachings:

part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5bRzDRzBEY&feature=player_embedded

part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb3Mzz4QF1U&feature=player_embedded

Of course the greatest takfir exponents are the Shias. So why should they be envious that some renegades are quick to emulate them
If in doubt ask the companions (RA) the rightly guided caliphs (RA) and even the mother of the believers (RA)

we do not pass takfir.and even if we do we dont use that to kill.passing takfir and taking precautions is one thing.and killing because others are kuffar is another thing.Islam says no compulsion in religion.we shia stikc to that.wahhabis pass takfir to kill.that is disgusting.

I am just saying that Hilary is fighting another phase of the battle against Islam
as they are confessing to one, they are laying the foundation of the second one

birds of the same feather flock together! you can see how Qatar and Saudi Arabia are opposing Syria and helping the american-israeli plot in the middle east.

^^^^

[font=Times Romans[size=14pt]First the video is nothing more than a shia propaganda, designed and doctored to twisting the truth by playing a statement from point in which you can hardly point out what context its being used.
secondly, what point was Hilary Clinton really making? That they financed the Mujahideen war against the Soviets - who at that time invaded Afghanistan, and some members of the same Mujahideens (who came from several countries within the Muslims Ummah) later on transform into the much dreaded Al Qaeda, the question remains were they terrorist before they were mobilized to fight the soviets, absolutely not! so what point precisely are making that? or what propaganda are you trying to use to decieve people? Hezbollah started out its' suicide bombing campaigns (terrorism) before the U.S sponsored Mujahiddeens repelled the soviets invasion of muslim land. So claims that U.S was instrumental in creating al qaeda is also stating France was instrumental in the Iranian revolution, in which they gave Khomini shelter/base to take out the Shah! Sometimes I wonder why you think you have a onolpoly in doing propaganda, if Assad murders his own people because they demostrated against his rule, it is the wahabis, if shiites are killed in Bahrain it is the wahabis, if Sunnis are deprived of building their own mosque in Tehran ( over a million sunnis live there) they have no right in doing such because every mosques is Allah's mosques, Yet in wahabi Saudi Arabia shiites have their mosques even in the capital riyadh. what is the benefit of religion if stating simple truths becomes a herculean task![/size][/font]

vedaxcool:

^^^^
First the video is nothing more than a shia propaganda, designed and doctored to twisting the truth by playing a statement from point in which you can hardly point out what context its being used.

designed and doctored? was it not Hilary that was talking there in plain english? context? her words are clear and she was facing a panel.

secondly, what point was Hilary Clinton really making? That they financed the Mujahideen war against the Soviets - who at that time invaded Afghanistan, and some members of the same Mujahideens (who came from several countries within the Muslims Ummah) later on transform into the much dreaded Al Qaeda,

yes that is the point.and it is not "some".the head was bin laden and he turned against them.

the question remains were they terrorist before they were mobilized to fight the soviets, absolutely not! so what point precisely are making that? or what propaganda are you trying to use to decieve people?

that question should be put to Hilary and also the wahhabis.

Hezbollah started out its' suicide bombing campaigns (terrorism) before the U.S sponsored Mujahiddeens repelled the soviets invasion of muslim land.

Hezbollah tagets american marines on lebanese soil and also israeli forces.those are not innocent civilians.i dont know how you reached the conclusion that is terrorism.looks like you have come from the dead to try to twist and confuse issues again and follow endless trails of arguments with no sense.the sunni palestinians who also fight occupation use suicide bombings as part of a doctrine of necessity.is that also terrorism? terrorism is when you bom innocent people and kill them.

So claims that U.S was instrumental in creating al qaeda is also stating France was instrumental in the Iranian revolution, in which they gave Khomini shelter/base to take out the Shah! Sometimes I wonder why you think you have a onolpoly in doing propaganda,

but did Ayatollah Khomeini get any support aside from political asylum? it was the people of Iran that chose him and overthrew the shah.

also even if france supported him,it is appreciated and no shame at all.Ayatollah Khomeini did not send suicide bombers into marketplaces to kill innocent people.

Ayatollah Khomeini is not the criminal bin laden for even france to feel ashame later on and regret supporting him even if they did assuming so for argument's sake.

if Assad murders his own people because they demostrated against his rule, it is the wahabis,

we have seen who kill people for not demonstrating against Assad.it is wahhabi militiamen.how can Assad kill his own people when you have almost weekly millions going to the streets to support him? if any of mubarak,qaddafi or ben Ali had this support Assad has in syria,they will still be ruling.so the conspiracy from the west is clear.there was a report on the british guardian on how the western press conceals the fact that the majority of syrians support Assad.

if shiites are killed in Bahrain it is the wahabis,

in bahrain,the majority are shia and they are against the monarchy.but in syria where the majority is sunni,they are not against Assad in their majority.the monarchy in bahrain has killed and continue to kill innocent people.they have even asked saudi forces to come in to quell the unrest.i can bring you video of how a saudi soldier stated that there mission in bahrain is to kill the Shia.that is shame!it is the same extremism that sends wahhabi militiamen into syria thinking they are there to fight the alawite president.

if Sunnis are deprived of building their own mosque in Tehran ( over a million sunnis live there) they have no right in doing such because every mosques is Allah's mosques, Yet in wahabi Saudi Arabia shiites have their mosques even in the capital riyadh. what is the benefit of religion if stating simple truths becomes a herculean task![/size][/font]

elsewhere in Iran,the sunnis go unhindered having their places of worship as they dominate in those areas.in saudi arabia i am not aware of the shia having their own places of worship unhindered or doing ashura freely.you are making up stories.

LagosShia:

designed and doctored? was it not Hilary that was talking there in plain english? context? her words are clear and she was facing a panel.

was the video not edited to quote exactly where the forgers want to make a point? the context of her statement is far from clear!

LagosShia:

yes that is the point.and it is not "some".the head was bin laden and he turned against them.

lies like these makes it hard for me to  take you seriously, how did bin laden suddenly turn the head? head of what? I seriously wish you could be little bit honest, as Mujahideens from different parts of the world including Pakistan participated in the struggle against the soviets, are u now a communist sympathiser? the bulk of the resistance to the soviets was from within Afghanistan. I wonder what point you are really making!

LagosShia:

that question should be put to Hilary and also the wahhabis.

you don't know? lol! and we taught you were the wahabi expert! even a child would tell you clearly all those who partook in overthrowing the soviet- whom you so dearly defend, were clearly not terrorist then, they had a burning desire to free an oppressed Muslim nation from the clutches of atheistic soviets! if that makes them terrorist then we should insist that you should consult your Imam. organisations like Al qaeda only came long after the Afghanistan campaign clearly indicating that they were not in any way terrorist.

LagosShia:

Hezbollah tagets american marines on lebanese soil and also israeli forces.those are not innocent civilians.i dont know how you reached the conclusion that is terrorism.looks like you have come from the dead to try to twist and confuse issues again and follow endless trails of arguments with no sense.the sunni palestinians who also fight occupation use suicide bombings as part of a doctrine of necessity.is that also terrorism? terrorism is when you bom innocent people and kill them.

Hezbollah started out its' suicide bombing campaigns (terrorism) before the U.S sponsored Mujahiddeens repelled the soviets invasion of muslim land,  hence terrorism did not start with the Mujahideen fighting for the freedom of Afghanistan! Only a serial liar would claim Hezbollah never attacked civilian target.

LagosShia:

but did Ayatollah Khomeini get any support aside from political asylum? it was the people of Iran that chose him and overthrew the shah.
also even if france supported him,it is appreciated and no shame at all.Ayatollah Khomeini did not send suicide bombers into marketplaces to kill innocent people.

Oh I see you are hardly informed, as this same France considers Iran merchants of terrorism! was khomini thankfully, well yes, by calling France small Satan!

LagosShia:

Ayatollah Khomeini is not the criminal bin laden for even france to feel ashame later on and regret supporting him even if they did assuming so for argument's sake.

France would definitely wonder why they had given support to - use their words, to a terror sponsoring state! which is even worse than supporting terror organisation, don't you think! 

LagosShia:

we have seen who kill people for not demonstrating against Assad.it is wahhabi militiamen.how can Assad kill his own people when you have almost weekly millions going to the streets to support him? if any of mubarak,qaddafi or ben Ali had this support Assad has in syria,they will still be ruling.so the conspiracy from the west is clear.there was a report on the british guardian on how the western press conceals the fact that the majority of syrians support Assad.

you are not only a wahabi expert, but now a syrian expert! lol  , majority of Syrians support who, The Rafidhi imbecil Assad- whose branch of shiasm is most repugnant for believing in several filthy doctrines and how did you come about that majority of syrians support Assad? did you conduct a survey? and the milllions that do not support him are to killed, it is not surprising coming form a shia who believes that a minority whose father also massacre to hold unto power should stay on power and his only qualification is that he is a shia, how pathetic your condition truly is!

LagosShia:

in bahrain,the majority are shia and they are against the monarchy.but in syria where the majority is sunni,they are not against Assad in their majority.the monarchy in bahrain has killed and continue to kill innocent people.they have even asked saudi forces to come in to quell the unrest.i can bring you video of how a saudi soldier stated that there mission in bahrain is to kill the Shia.that is shame!it is the same extremism that sends wahhabi militiamen into syria thinking they are there to fight the alawite president.

lets us use your shameless tactic against you, in Bahrain, the Majority of shias support the sunni ruler, how can the king of Bahrain be killing hsi own people when you have millions demostrating supporting his rule!  we know it is the same Hebollah and Iran that is fomenting the unrest, this was said by the King of bahrain

LagosShia:

elsewhere in Iran,the sunnis go unhindered having their places of worship as they dominate in those areas.in saudi arabia i am not aware of the shia having their own places of worship unhindered or doing ashura freely.you are making up stories.

lies again! Sunnis are oppressed virtually everywhere, take Baluchistan were sunnis hold only 5% of govt position in a region they are the majority in! and yet the lagoonshia finds nothing wrong in that, again he finds nothing wrong in Sunnis being unable to build their mosques in Tehran, a place they number a million, yet the same shia would quickly give such rights to other religions, to prove how tolerant they actually are! hypocrisy to say the least! shais are allowed to have their own mosques in Saudi which is the point i was making!

Government policy has been to allow Shia their own mosques and to exempt Shia from Hanbali inheritance practices.

http://countrystudies.us/saudi-arabia/28.htm

Lets see what lagoshia is defending

According to Yaron Friedman, distinct Alawi beliefs include the belief that prayers are not necessary, they don't fast, nor perform pilgrimage, nor have specific places of worship.[35] The most obvious difference between Alawites and Shi'ite Muslims, is that Alawis believe the Sunni Caliph and Shi'ite Imam Ali is an incarnation of one of the persons of God and wholly divine, along with Jesus Christ, The Prophet Muhammad and many other eastern holy men. Many of the tenets of the faith are secret and known only to a select few Alawi.[21] In the 19th century, however, an Alawite named Sulaiman al-Adni converted to Christianity and in 1863, compiled a book called Al-Bakurah as-Suliamaniya fi Kashf Asrar ad-Diyanah an-Nusairiyah (The First Fruits of Sulaiman in Revealing the Secrets of the Nusairi Religion). Orientalists like Louis Massignon gained access to a number of Nusairi manuscripts.[13]

According to some sources, Alawis have integrated doctrines from other religions (Syncretism), in particular from Ismaili Islam and Christianity.[8][21][33] According to scholar Cyril Glasse, it is thought that "as a small, historically beleaguered ethnic group", the Alawi "absorbed elements" from the different religions that influenced their area from Hellenistic times onward,[33] while maintaining their own beliefs, and "pretended to adhere to the dominant religion of the age."[33] Alawites are reported to celebrate certain Christian festivals, "in their own way",[33] including Christmas, Easter, and Palm Sunday, and their religious ceremonies make use of bread and wine.[27] According to Matti Moosa, a "leading scholar of the Nusayris",

The Christian elements in the Alawite sect are unmistakable. They include the concept of trinity; the celebration of Christmas, the consecration of the Qurban, that is, the sacrament of the flesh and blood which Christ offered to his disciples, and, most important, the celebration of the Quddas (although Shia scholars dispute these allegations) (a lengthy prayer proclaiming the divine attributes of Ali and the personification of all the biblical patriarchs from Adam to Simon Peter, who preached the gospel sermon originating the Church (Matthew 16:18, Acts 2), who is perceived as the embodiment of true Islam).[36]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawite

people that believe in such garbage have no place leading any muslim!

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Vedaxcool,

you need to visit Shia cities in the eastern province in Saudi Arabia.leave government propaganda.i wont say any further.inshaAllah with time,and with any new development,i would bring it to your notice.

as for the alawites,I am Shia,and i wont and never stand here to defend what they believe or people say they believe or what they pronounce or conceal in their faith.that is left for them to do or not to do.as far as the alawites are concerned they have posed no threat to anyone trying to force others to become alawite unlike others we know.

the Shia scholars in Najaf and Qom have tried their best to bring the alawites of syria and the zaidis of yemen closer to mainstream Shia Islam.geography has played a part in taking away certain groups of people (in Shia Islam) in distant lands and also the Sunni caliphs' persecution against the Shia only made things worse.over time,the alawites and the zaidis can be described as confused even though they are offshoots of Shia Islam.

i have personally heard that Bashar al-Assad himself has become a mainstream Shia (Ithna-Ashariyyah) thanks to the efforts of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in guiding him away from being an "alawite" or rather making him correct his beliefs as we Shia can also figuratively describe ourselves as "alawites" (or followers of Ali a.s.).also,some decades ago,the Shia marji-iyyah in Najaf invited Syrian alawite students to come and study there in hope that they would be rightly guided away from their excessive beliefs like saying Imam Ali (as) is a divine deity.on their arrival in Najaf,the alawites faced problem as Shia students described them as GHULAT (exaggerators in religion) and that offended them.only a few later on remained in the Najaf Shia seminary and adjusted.

when Hafez al-Assad overthrew and took over power in Syria,the Sunnis wanted to use the syrian constitution against him.the syrian constitution states that only a Muslim can become president in Syria.it was the Lebanese Shia scholar who was kidnapped by Qaddafi in Libya,Sayyed Musa al-Sadr that issued a fatwa that the alawites are muslim and of Islamic heritage inspite of their misguided and excesses in belief.that made those calling against Hafez al-Assad (Bashar's father) calm and quiet.

so really as a Shia myself i wont defend the beliefs of the alawites and ismailis particularly.they are on their own.we can only try to bring them closer to Islam by teaching them mainstream Shia Islamic beliefs away from excesses and exagerrations.

WASHINGTON | Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:22pm EST

(Reuters) - The United States on Thursday announced sanctions on Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS), which it accused of supporting terrorism, abusing the human rights of Iranian citizens and supporting the Syrian government's crackdown.

"Today we have designated the MOIS for abusing the basic rights of Iranian citizens and exporting its vicious practices to support the Syrian regime's abhorrent crackdown on its own population," David Cohen, the U.S. Treasury's under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in a statement.

MOIS also provides support for al Qaeda, al Qaeda in Iraq, Hizbollah and Hamas, "exposing the extent of Iran's sponsorship of terrorism as a matter of Iranian state policy," Cohen said.

The move is the latest in a series of steps the United States has taken to increase pressure on Iran over its nuclear program, which Tehran says is for peaceful purposes.

It bars MOIS officials from travelling to the United States, blocks any property MOIS owns in the United States and prevents U.S. citizens or companies from dealings with MOIS.

(Editing by Sandra Maler)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/16/us-usa-iran-sanctions-idUSTRE81F1L920120216

It seems the Iranians are also sponsoring Wahabis, , everybody likes funding the Wahabis

vedaxcool:


It seems the Iranians are also sponsoring Wahabis, , everybody likes funding the Wahabis

they pro$titute with the highest bidder all in the name to cause trouble and destruction,if you like.

but far from it,iran has no ties to alqaeda.that has long being an american wet-dream to implicate iran with wahhabi alqaeda terrorism.

we wish the wahhabis would look inwards and stop being western puppets for the sake of muslim unity.but they will never abandon their father,the great satan.

Oh now the Americans' are lying! lol , we thought there were the expert in wahabism, hypocrisy is shia, and shia is hypocrisy!

vedaxcool:

Oh now the Americans' are lying! lol , we thought there were the expert in wahabism, hypocrisy is shia, and shia is hypocrisy!

did i ever say that?

i only posted what the american secretary of state confirmed and not a report accusing anyone or believing it.

lol! shia indeed is Hypocrisy! we find it clearly amusing that the shia continues to confirm what we think of him, if the information suits him, it is very authentic, if it don't it is a wet dream!  such individuals only show themselves to be nothing more than petty hypocrites, now he answers for the Iranian govt! please somebody tell this man when is he going to start telling the truth! or that Hilary Clinton could not have been lying or Iran does not actually sponsors Al Qaeda in Iraq to create Sectarian divisions in the country!

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americans making claims against Iran is nothing new.the fact that bin laden,the chief wahhabi terrorist,was an american-CIA agent who was used and funded by the americans to fight the soviets in afghanistan is also nothing new and common knowledge that those born in the 1990s would doubt.

Likewise it is widely believed that Iran is a global sponsor terrorism, this is common knowledge amongst the international community! to which they claim it sponsors the Alqaeda. even a questionable "adult" knows the information.

if you want to repeat the western claim that Iran sponsors terrorism that is fine with me because one man's meat is another man's poison.it is fine so long as you see that the so called terrorism SHIA Iran is accused of supporting is the fight by SUNNI Palestinian groups (hamas and islamic jihad) against the zionist israeli occupation and land theft of palestinian lands.this is the peak of islamic brotherhood SHIA IRAN is exhibiting while the wahhabi kingdoms of saudi arabia and qatar are conspiring with the west and israel of how to kill the palestinian cause and impose a humiliating resolution on the palestinians.

the accusation they support alqaeda is farfetched for ideological reasons firstly.dont the wahhabis see the shia as "rafidha" and "heretics" names you have blindly repeated here?they do! that would question the faith and principles of wahhabis and their belief system.

this claim that iran has any ties with alqaeda is one that america has never succeeded in proving.not only that,the relations between iran and the alqaeda friendly and host,the taliban in neighboring afghanistan was not friendly or brotherly.taliban (alqeda's sister) executed iranians diplomats in afghanistan and ever since then relations (which were non-existent) have soured to a point of no return in 1998:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Iranian_diplomats_murder_in_Afghanistan

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Iran simply sponsors Al -Qaeda and that is what the report said, the same people your are quick to quote cannot be liars just because you do not like the information, and about the Taliban etc, no wonder shias sided with the atheistic Soviets during the war in Afghanistan the same attitude you have shown here, If it is Far fetch that Iran sponsors the Wahabis, then it Farer fetcher that the Americans sponsored the Mujaheddin of Afghanistan during the war seeing that these individuals viewed each other in very bad terms. until you can shown common - sense in a very simple report to which you are not a spokesman for the Iranian govt then we would have a made progress in getting you acknowledge the truth!

let us accept for argument sake that the iranians had ties with the taliban and alqaeda.and so what? what does that prove in hilary clinton's confession that they made the wahhabis (alqaeda and the afghan mujahidin) fighting the soviets?

and dont you think you are contradicting yourself by claiming at one hand that iran sponsored the wahhabi mujahidin and then claiming also that the shias sided with the atheist soviets? the islamic republic opposed the soviet invasion of afghanistan and backed shia resistance groups in afghanistan and urged them to fight the soviet invasion.iran itself was weary of the soviets and any possible attempt to invade iran itself.

you should read about the soviet invasion of afghanistan in 1979 and stop trying to be argumentative.

Finally he confesses, Iran sponsors alqeada, a recent phenomenon to achieve their own blood lust? and political aims, asking so what leaves us asking the same thing so what if American sponsored the Mujahideens of Afghanistan whom the lying fiend, khominee despised for fighting the atheist and to which no shia helped during the war against the atheist, really prove?in essence what those Clinton allegation prove? that your thread was idiotic to say the least!

vedaxcool:

Finally he confesses, Iran sponsors alqeada, a recent phenomenon to achieve their own blood lust?

so that is what you understand from the phrase:"let us accept for argument sake"?

and political aims, asking so what leaves us asking the same thing so what if American sponsored the Mujahideens of Afghanistan whom the lying fiend, khominee despised for fighting the atheist and to which no shia helped during the war against the atheist, really prove?

so Ayatollah Khomeini despised them,but yet you said based on an american report against Iran,that the iranians sponsored alqaeda.how is that?

what does it really prove? it proves that america created and funded wahhabi terrorism through alqaeda/taliban who are giving muslims and islam a bad image.

in essence what those Clinton allegation prove? that your thread was idiotic to say the least!

no,let me now catch you little boy!

Clinton is honest to say:"we created the problem".she is saying they made the terrorists.

you are accusing the iranians of sponsoring also the wahhabi terrorists,and so there is nothing to prove.you brought an american unsubstantiated report that iran has ties with alqaeda an allegation the US administration is shy to put forth.

you say if we are to believe the americans and take their words in one we should also take their words in the other.that sounds very fair but either too childish or too stu.pid.no offense intended because that is how it is.

how i am going to catch you:

i brought a video of how the highest ranking official in american diplomacy admits that her country sponsored alqaeda.this isn't iran accusing america or LagosShia who hates america and the wahhabis saying it.it came from the horses' mouth.

now i want you Vedaxcool to prove that Iran sponsore the wahhabi terrorist by providing us with a confession from the iranian foreign ministry (not an american accusation) that iran indeed sponsored the wahhabi terrorists.

LagosShia:

so that is what you understand from the phrase:"let us accept for argument sake"?

it means you accept the possibility, that should be a enough since you are not the spokes person of the Iranian Govt.!

LagosShia:

so Ayatollah Khomeini despised them,but yet you said based on an american report against Iran,that the iranians sponsored alqaeda.how is that?

pity, pity, another dullard rafidi!  for dumb bunny you do not disappoint, as the report of Iran s' sponsorship of Al qaeda is recent! long after the khumus stealing illiterate khomini died! and for an adult you are extremely daft,  no offence just stating the obvious, what I have long tried to train you and showed you common sense is that, the American' never really believed in the course of the mujahiddens, never did they really gave a damn their course, despite lagosshia defence of the soviets aggression of a Muslims couintry to which Iran did nothing but condemn them  a Christian country America brought weapon to muslims in need of defence, but what the American's letrally did was the Enemy of Enemy is my friend, that mr. dullard, should have explained why the Iranians despite the fact they despise sunnis/wahabis/alqeada, would not mind sponsoring their course if it falls in furthering their objective, and that is how a real adult thinks (not a wanabee dullard, who thinks calling plapville B@@tch makes him an adult) 

LagosShia:

what does it really prove? it proves that america created and funded wahhabi terrorism through alqaeda/taliban who are giving muslims and islam a bad image.

Then what does Iran sponsoring of Alqeada means, they fund individuals that are giving muslims and Islams a bad image, just as their global sponsorship of terror stains muslims  , this boy is really a dullard, make arguements without any form of reasoning indeed, and he is laughable, as the Americans only claim was they sponsored the Mujahideens of Afghanistan during the Soviet war, and that part of these Mujahideens later on formed Alqaeda etc

LagosShia:

no,let me now catch you little boy! 

Clinton is honest to say:"we created the problem".she is saying they made the terrorists.

you are accusing the iranians of sponsoring also the wahhabi terrorists,and so there is nothing to prove.you brought an american unsubstantiated report that iran has ties with alqaeda an allegation the US administration is shy to put forth.

you say if we are to believe the americans and take their words in one we should also take their words in the other.that sounds very fair but either too childish or too stu.pid.no offense intended because that is how it is.

how i am going to catch you:

i brought a video of how the highest ranking official in american diplomacy admits that her country sponsored alqaeda.this isn't iran accusing america or LagosShia who hates america and the wahhabis saying it.it came from the horses' mouth.

now i want you Vedaxcool to prove that Iran sponsore the wahhabi terrorist by providing us with a confession from the iranian foreign ministry (not an american accusation) that iran indeed sponsored the wahhabi terrorists.

Dullard!  ah! you caught me there with your dullard technique but before I answer your question, let say you lagosshia went to pick pocket, and you were caught but the stolen items were never recovered, would we say unless you confess for the crime you are innocent of the accusation? 

ive been away for some days as i was on travel.

is trying to be annoying,stupid and insolent part of sunnism?

is there no other way you could deal with the facts or the notions in question without trying to throw insults and name calling?

you can continue in that line and keep acting stupid and believing that your number of replies however stupid and senseless would add value to your beliefs and sunnism.your posts would serve as evidence against you and they will not deter me from continuosly as time permits inshaAllah providing info for those who want to see that SHIA ISLAM is what the Prophet Muhammad (sa) taught and not sunnism coined by misguided sahabas joining arabian culture and their desires to make others believe.

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Good you accept that this thread was merely a conveyance of $tupidity, which in any case clearly explained what shias is, misguidance that is built on lies and hypocrisy!

vedaxcool:

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Good you accept that this thread was merely a conveyance of $tupidity, which in any case clearly explained what shias is, misguidance that is built on lies and hypocrisy!

you are conveying and revealing at your age your father's $tupidity for the lack of manners in you and how obvious you are bereft of any sign of islamic morals.