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Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by executinal(m): 6:44am On Feb 09, 2012
By Annalisa Musarra
Religion News Service

(RNS) Dozens of members of Congress are upset that the Air Force has removed the Latin word for "God" from the logo of an Air Force acquisitions office.

Led by Rep. J. Randy Forbes, co-chairman of the Congressional Prayer Caucus, 36 lawmakers Monday (Feb. 6) sent a letter to Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz objecting to the removal of "God" from the logo of the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office (RCO).

The logo was recently removed, according to Forbes, after objections by the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers.

Jason Torpy, president of the association, said the word "God" had no place in the logo because not all members of the military are religious. "We just hope (the Air Force) can provide more equal opportunities for atheists and humanists in the military."

"The action taken by the RCO suggests that all references to God, regardless of their context, must be removed from the military," the congressional letter states. "We ask that you reverse this perplexing decision."

According to the lawmakers, all members of the bipartisan prayer caucus, the RCO patch logo previously included the motto "Opus Dei Cum Pecunia Alienum Efficemus" (Doing God's Work with Other People's Money), an inside joke among RCO members. Caucus members say it was changed to "Miraculi Cum Pecunia Alienum Efficemus" (Doing Miracles with Other People's Money).

The letter argues that "courts consistently have upheld the constitutionality of our national motto, 'In God We Trust,' despite the obvious mention of God."

"Obviously the Constitution doesn't treat God like a dirty word," said Luke Goodrich, deputy general counsel of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty. "Religion is a part of this history."

A representative for the Air Force could not be reached for comment
sources http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/air-force-removes-god-randy-forbes_n_1263665.html?ref=religion&ncid=webmail1

Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Sweetnecta: 7:34am On Feb 09, 2012
obviously they stopped fighting for God from here on end or they used to fight for God all along until now.

the christian needs to accept that there was bombing for God, until now. and bombs kill.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Joagbaje(m): 8:55am On Feb 09, 2012
America will go down. In fulfillment of prophecy . The only way to prevent this is to Go back to God. As long as they follow the path of sodom and Babylon ,grace will keep departing from them.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by 2good(m): 9:07am On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

America will go down. In fulfillment of prophecy . The only way to prevent this is to Go back to God. As long as they follow the path of sodom and Babylon ,grace will keep departing from them.

What have Nigeria that follow god excessively and blindly achieved? You guys always say nonsense when you see physical evidence and claim it is revelation. Of course we know the likes of China, Brazil and India are coming up, so anybody could have used that common sense to make thesame claim you just made.
Also, Norway, Denmark and Sweden have one of the best quality and standard of living and they are predominantly Atheist.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Joagbaje(m): 10:05am On Feb 09, 2012
America was a nation under God. Her foundation was God, her constitution was made through the word of God. But they began to take God out of their system. That's the problem . The same thing goes for Israel. These two nations were founded on Gods principle. When they turn away from God . They suffer for it.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by 2good(m): 10:21am On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

America was a nation under God. Her foundation was God, her constitution was made through the word of God. But they began to take God out of their system. That's the problem . The same thing goes for Israel. These two nations were founded on Gods principle. When they turn away from God . They suffer for it.
Why did you avoid the part about Nigeria and god? For your information, Israel is an officially Jewish state and still don't believe in your Jesus messiah, so their existence for the past 2000 years have conflicted with Christianity and Islam which are the 2 major religion on earth. That's the main reason for their persecution by a predominantly war driven religious world over the past millennium.
Besides reading your bible, try to also study history to get a better understanding of what has happened in this world in the name of religion, before today
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Joagbaje(m): 10:37am On Feb 09, 2012
The Jews still believe in God but they are suffering partially since the sinned against God. They will be restored when they finally come back to God and embrace his messiah for them.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by 2good(m): 11:15am On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

The Jews still believe in God but they are suffering partially since the sinned against God. They will be restored when they finally come back to God and embrace his messiah for them.
Mr Jo, incase you don't know, the Jews don't recognize Jesus as god, so get that straight if you don't know today. Also stop circulating false rumour that America was founded under god because even children know about the African slave trade that resulted in the movement of over 12-13 million Africans by thesame so called god fearing Americans/ Europeans into the American continent, after they had decimated and killed most of the native Indians that own the land and also thousands of Africans were thrown aboard slave ships when ever the slave ships come in contact with a British patrol ship on the high sea after slavery was abolished.
Thesame America fought a civil war between 1861 to 1865(4 years) because the majorly christian south(later Confederate) refused to accept an end to slavery and instead resorted to fighting the majorly northern American states(The Union), in what still happens to be the bloodiest war in the history of that country after Abraham Lincoln who was an anti slavery candidate won the 1860 presidential election.
America was built on the exploitation and enslavement of a race for century so stop saying what you have no single proof about or are the actions above what your god approves of his people?
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Nobody: 2:04pm On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

America will go down. In fulfillment of prophecy . The only way to prevent this is to Go back to God. As long as they follow the path of sodom and Babylon ,grace will keep departing from them.

You be pastor for mouth! bloody hypocrite! Where is the salvation you preach now? See what Your Bible said in contrast to your Curse!



"[size=18pt]Remind the Christians to speak evil of no man[/size], to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing meekness to all men." (Titus 3:2) (sorry i aint a christian lol)

"[size=18pt]Follow Peace with all men and holiness[/size], without which no man shall see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves." (2 Timothy 2:24-25)


"Be diligent that you may be found in Peace." (2 Peter 3:14)


The Fruit of the Spirit is Peace, Love, Gentleness, Meekness" (Galatians 5:22)


Peace is the Gospel . This is the doctrine of Christ. "Whosoever transgresses and abides not in the Doctrine of Christ hath not God." (2John 2:1)

"The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace." (James 3:18)


"[size=18pt]I say unto you love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use and persecute you, that you may be children of your father which is in heaven.[/size]" (Matthew 5:44-45)


[size=22pt] "Have peace with one another.[/size]" Romans 9:50)

"Let us follow after the things that make for peace." (Romans 14:19)


"Live in peace." (2 Corinthians 13:11)

Jesus mission was to "Preach Peace." (Acts 10:36)

Jesus came and "preached peace." (Ephesians 2:17)

"Seek Peace and ensue it." (1Peter 1:3)

"Blessed are the Peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God." (Matthew 5:19)

"He hath given us the ministry of reconciliation" (2 Corinthians 5:18)

"As far as your responsibility goes, live at peace with all men." (Romans 12:18 Phillips translation)

"On earth peace, good will towards men." (Luke 2:14)


"Ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, see that ye be not troubled." (Matthew 24:cool

"My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight that I should be delivered of the Jews." (John 18:36)

"Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword, shall perish with the sword." (Matthew 26:52)


"Recompense no man evil for evil." (Romans 12.:7)


"Dearly Beloved, avenge not yourselves but rather give place unto wrath, for it is written Vengeance is mine, I will repay saith the Lord." (Romans 12:19)

God's primary title in the New Testament is The God of Peace. It is used six times (Rom. 15:33, Heb. 13:20, Phil. 4:9, Rom. 16:20, 1 Thess. 5:3, 2 Thess. 3:16)

"Blessed are the Meek for they shall inherit the earth." (Mt.5.5)

"God is not the author of confusion, but of Peace." (1Cor.14:33)

[size=18pt]"How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of them that preach The Gospel of Peace." (oh check your dirty feet)[/size] (Rom.10:15)

"Finally Brethern, farewell, be perfect. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace and the God of Love and Peace shall be with you." (2 Cor.13.11)
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Nobody: 2:07pm On Feb 09, 2012
Good news, why was the god logo on an airforce killing machine in the first place.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Nobody: 2:10pm On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

America was a nation under God. Her foundation was God, her constitution was made through the word of God. But they began to take God out of their system. That's the problem . The same thing goes for Israel. These two nations were founded on Gods principle. When they turn away from God . They suffer for it.

its better you stay put to the tithes and first fruit defense, thats where the ilks of you are good at. You know no jack about anything history.

Like one of my friend who was scared to research on history coz what she might find will bring up questions about this christianity sef. So she made do with what she just knew, and some from hearsays.  I bet you are just in this category.

Go widen your knowledge and you'll see america wasnt founded on any god whatsoever. when did Freemasonry become Christianity? Guy go and find out who really laid the foundation of Washington D.C and go read the monument built in his name. Read the salutation accorded to him, i think from there you'll begin your journey into forbidden truths.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Nobody: 2:11pm On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

America was a nation under God. Her foundation was God, her constitution was made through the word of God. But they began to take God out of their system. That's the problem . The same thing goes for Israel. These two nations were founded on Gods principle. When they turn away from God . They suffer for it.

Sorry I disagree, America was not founded on GOD but violence, wholesale massacres of the red Indians, enslavement of blacks and the setting up of a Babylonian capitalist system that is one of the primary causes of the economic crisis in the world today.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by dekung(m): 6:21pm On Feb 09, 2012
Mr. Jo, better stick to your distorted explanation of the bible and leave history alone. Since the bible doesnt have any verifiable proofs anyone can twist it in any direction, as per history, bros documentary evidences are everywhere. So for your own good leave American history, the founding fathers were NOT christians, many of them were deists and freemasons.
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Joagbaje(m): 6:43pm On Feb 09, 2012
@Illuminati

You seem to be ignorant of america histrory.

Prayer And The Founding Fathers

A Treatise on the Prayer Life of those who Founded this Nation. (AMERICA)

Those who read the original reports of what our Founding Fathers did often are surprised to discover how large a part of their activities prayer was.  Like us, they prayed at church (obviously a long time practice in this country), they prayed before and after meals, at public meetings of all kinds, at political meetings - just the kinds of places and events at which Christians do today.

Like them, when we pray we include confession of sin, thanksgiving and praise.  Also, a large part of prayer today is for those we know: family members (for health, employment, plans, troubles) and the same for friends and acquaintances, sometimes even political figures!, especially when taxes are raised, the economy is down, or a new law is passed curtailing one more freedom.  We don’t miss much in our prayers, do we?  Nor did our Founders.

As we celebrate the 233rd anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence it is appropriate to review some of our history, some of the stressful years before and after their declaring their independence from the tyrannical rulers who had sent armies across the sea to destroy the exercise of their God-given freedoms - and here a perusal of their prayers reveals something very unusual.  What could that be?

Looking at a few of our Founders’ prayers we discover several differences. Perhaps the biggest difference we would notice right away would be the public proclamations of prayer.  Very early in our history, whenever a disaster of some kind occurred, a day of prayer would be announced.  We see this in the report Gov. Bradford made concerning the need for rain when their crops were drying up: He writes (notice his "creative" spelling!):

(N)otwithstanding all their great paines & industrie, and ye great hops of a large cropp, the Lord seemed to blast, & take away the same,,   Yet at length it begane to languish sore,,   Upon which they sett a parte a solemne day of humilliation, to seek ye Lord by humble & fervente prayer, in this great distrese.  And he was pleased to give them a gracious & speedy answer, both to their owne, & the Indeans admiration, 1

Going on, then, to a later day we read about events previous to the Revolutionary War.  For instance, in February of 1775 the following proclamation was made: "For A Day of Fasting and Prayer"

By the Honorable Jonathan Trumbull, Esquire, Governor of the English Colony of Connecticut, in New-England in America; To offer up fervent Supplication to GOD, for His gracious Presence with us---to give us true Repentance and Reformation and to make us fully sensible that our Dependence must be on His Power and Grace alone, to deliver us from all the Evil we feel or fear;---that He would not leave us to trust in an Arm of Flesh ;--

Soon things got worse - "Georgia Completes the American Chain" ,Continental Fast Day, July 20, 1775:

(Prelude to the proclamation of Trumbull)  On his (Washington’s) arrival at Cambridge, July 3d, 1775, he was received with the joyful acclamations of the American army.  At the head of his troops, he published a declaration, previously drawn up by congress, in the nature of a manifesto, setting forth the reasons for taking up arms,   When general Washington joined the American army, he found the British intrenched on Bunker's hill, having also three floating batteries in Mystic river, and a twenty gun ship below the ferry, between Boston and Charlestown.  (It looks like the British are readying themselves to subdue the colonists!  Italics mine, Ed.)2

Excerpts from The Proclamation, July I3, 1775, by Jonathan Trumbull, Lebanon, Connecticut, to George Washington:

The Honorable Congress have proclaimed a Fast to be observed by the inhabitants of all the English  Colonies on this continent, to stand before the Lord in one day, with public humiliation, fasting, and prayer, to deplore our many sins, to offer up our joint supplications to God, for forgiveness, and for his merciful interposition for us in this day of unnatural darkness and distress.  They have, with one united voice, appointed you to the high station you possess.

Not only is this a proclamation to Washington; it was proclaimed to all of the inhabitants of the American colonies:

(C)onsidering the awful Frowns of Divine Providence,, I have therefore, by and with the Advice of the Council, thought it to be appropriate and do hereby appoint Wednesday the first Day of February next, to be observed a Day of Fasting and Prayer throughout this Colony :---hereby exhorting both Minister and People of all Denominations, to humble themselves before GOD,--- confessing our Sins, and entreating His Grace and Favour.

What happened as a result of this proclamation?  I would like to quote further from David Ramsey’s history:

Since the fast of the Ninevites, recorded in sacred writ, perhaps there has not been one, which was more generally kept, with suitable dispositions, than that of July 20th, 1775.  It was no formal service.  The whole body of the people felt the importance, the weight and the danger of the unequal contest, in which they were about to engage; that every thing dear to them was at stake; and that a divine blessing only could carry them through it successfully.  This blessing they implored with their whole souls, poured forth in ardent supplications, issuing from hearts deeply penetrated with a sense of their unworthiness, their dependence and danger; and at the same time, impressed with an humble confidence, in the mercies and goodness of that Being, who had planted and preserved them, hitherto, amid many dangers, in the wilderness of a new world.

May we like them, go to our Father in these days of trouble and anxiety.  May we, too, "humble ourselves before GOD,--- confessing our Sins, and entreating His Grace and Favour," not depending on the "arm of flesh," but:

Offer up fervent Supplication to GOD, for His gracious Presence with us---to give us true Repentance and Reformation and to make us fully sensible that our Dependence must be on His Power and Grace alone, to deliver us from all the Evil we feel or fear;---that He would not leave us to trust in an Arm of Flesh ;---

A blessed Fourth of July to all of you!

You may want to read the article "July 4th Oregon Style",  by guest writer  Mr. Vaughn Longanecker.

Footnotes:

1. Bradford, Governor William, Of Plymouth Plantation, from the original manuscript of 1647.

2. The following excerpts are from Prelude to the American Revolution by David Ramsey, Southern Historian of this period, quoted in The Christian History of the American Revolution, Consider and Ponder, Verna M. Hall, Compiler, Foundation for American Christian Education, 1976.

Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by 2good(m): 6:54pm On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

@Illuminati

You seem to be ignorant of america histrory.


Since you know alot about American history, can you please educate us with proof from historical records and not the bible please!
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by dare2think: 7:10pm On Feb 09, 2012
Joagbaje:

America was a nation under God. Her foundation was God, her constitution was made through the word of God. But they began to take God out of their system. That's the problem . The same thing goes for Israel. These two nations were founded on Gods principle. When they turn away from God . They suffer for it.

LOL @ Mr Jo,

Please stop it, Indeed you should stick to defending charlatans. America's foundation was built upon several pools of blood, slavery, extermination of the native Indians, hatred for the British and so on.

Was it God that sent them to come to Africa to pick up slaves that helped build their economy?

Pls Educate us, which of God's principles where the two nations, America and Israel founded on?
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by numo86(m): 11:33pm On Feb 09, 2012
@joagbaje, how many times i go tell ona say na satan dey rule this world?
Dont ever mention Gods name in national & political issues, even d nation of isreal that God protected & defended has been abandoned after they refused & killed Gods chosen servant/messiah, d last king that God ever chose & annointed with his own hand was his son(Yehshua) which is the shiloh many call today witout understandin its full meaning, d rest of earths rulers & there systems are just been allowed by God for a while,
Soon When time reach all of them go turn to chaff and off into the thin air, america u see there was built on satan, its a world power, read revelations well and know who gives power to these world powers,
when u finish reading revelations then u'l know america was never built on Yahweh, God supports no nation, no nation today has God as its foundation, they are all on satan's palms, and he does what ever he wants with them, but there end is fast approaching
Re: Air Force Removes "god" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This by Nobody: 11:38pm On Feb 09, 2012
numo86:

@joagbaje, how many times i go tell ona say na satan dey rule this world?
Dont ever mention Gods name in national & political issues, even d nation of isreal that God protected & defended has been abandoned after they refused & killed Gods chosen servant/messiah, d last king that God ever chose & annointed with his own hand was his son(Yehshua) which is the shiloh many call today witout understandin its full meaning, d rest of earths rulers & there systems are just been allowed by God for a while,
Soon When time reach all of them go turn to chaff and off into the thin air, america u see there was built on satan, its a world power, read revelations well and know who gives power to these world powers,
when u finish reading revelations then u'l know america was never built on Yahweh, God supports no nation, no nation today has God as its foundation, they are all on satan's palms, and he does what ever he wants with them, but there end is fast approaching


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