Diademk07:

He was never man of the match! Suarez was!
Infact, Barca attack trio were the real nemesis whereas Juve dominated and had higher tempo in that game. Unfortunately, Tevez was very wasteful.

I just come mark my name for register.

all am going to say is,if they ever create a greatest midfielders of all time and iniesta no dey that list,it is ultimately useless.

edit: who siddon for my seat?

Pataki:


Where did you get your fake news from?

Ibeeere what is sinzu?

SIRcumalot:

I just come mark my name for register.

all am going to say is,if they ever create a greatest midfielders of all time and iniesta no dey that list,it is ultimately useless.

edit: who siddon for my seat?

Don't get me wrong.
He's fantastic with lovely technique and vision but never a player who controls the midfield. That's my major point.
Ofcourse, he should be among the greatest midfielder because he was an important part of one of the greatest team ever.

SIRcumalot:

I just come mark my name for register.

all am going to say is,if they ever create a greatest midfielders of all time and iniesta no dey that list,it is ultimately useless.

edit: who siddon for my seat?

Don't get me wrong.
He's fantastic with lovely technique and has a spectacular vision but never a player who controls the midfield. That's my major point.
Ofcourse, he should be among the greatest midfielder because he was an important part of one of the greatest team ever.

I follow my Oga Nihilist answer PRESENT!
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Diademk07:

Where did the Madrid fans applaud in the CL final?
The truth of the matter is he's good but isn't capable of controlling the midfield against good opposition as seen yesterday.
David Silva masterclass control against barca midfield while his fellow co-midfielders were rubbish was still the best I've ever seen.
There's now way Iniesta can ever do that against worldclass midfield without Xavi and co..

i mean he gets applauded by rival fans in clasico matches

So he had a poor game by his standard, big deal! which top player doesn't have their bad days? d whole team was under par, dey probably under-rated croatia, y single out iniesta?

david silva can only wish 2 be lyk iniesta, there z no way he's better. iniesta is d 1 player that can play rubbish 4 club n country 4 d rest of his career and still get applauded, dats how well he's paid his dues

BarcaBlood:




i mean he gets applauded by rival fans in clasico matches

So he had a poor game by his standard, big deal! which top player doesn't have their bad days? d whole team was under par, dey probably under-rated croatia, y single out iniesta?

david silva can only wish 2 be lyk iniesta, there z no way he's better. iniesta is d 1 player that can play rubbish 4 club n country 4 d rest of his career and still get applauded, dats how well he's paid his dues

The problem I have with Iniesta is since Xavi decline, he's never been up to it against good opposition.
He only shows up against average to decent teams nowadays.

Diademk07:

The problem I have with Iniesta is since Xavi decline, he's never been up to it against good opposition.
He only shows up against average to decent teams nowadays.

am sure u knw he z gettin older too
plus, since xavi left, he has helped barca win 4 trophies, played and scored against good opposition (el clasico), so ur assertion is wrong

Diademk07:

Don't get me wrong.
He's fantastic with lovely technique and has a spectacular vision but never a player who controls the midfield. That's my major point.
Ofcourse, he should be among the greatest midfielder because he was an important part of one of the greatest team ever.

I suspect that you have a pre-compiled list of uninformed assertions and you just pick one or two to publish on here depending on the day of the week.



Define the phrase 'control midfield' and then explain how iniesta doesn't do that on a weekly basis

BarcaBlood:



am sure u knw he z gettin older too
plus, since xavi left, he has helped barca win 4 trophies, played and scored against good opposition (el clasico), so ur assertion is wrong

You mean by shifting their focus from the midfield to attack?
Suarez, Neymar and Messi were more important in the win.
Prior to that, it was always Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta.
Now, it's Messi, Neymar, Suarez.
I think we should be grateful that at Xavi's peak, Suarez and Neymar were absent.

Nihilist:


I suspect that you have a pre-compiled list of uninformed assertions and you just pick one or two to publish on here depending on the day of the week.



Define the phrase 'control midfield' and then explain how iniesta doesn't do that on a weekly basis

Controlling the midfield is simply done by spatial awareness.
Obviously, Iniesta has all the skills to control the midfield but his spatial awareness isn't up to the level of Xavi's, I.e, ability to picture the pitch and craft it to your taste.

Diademk07:

Controlling the midfield is simply done by spatial awareness.
Obviously, Iniesta has all the skills to control the midfield but his spatial awareness isn't up to the level of Xavi's, I.e, ability to picture the pitch and craft it to your taste.

This isn't the same as

Diademk07:


He's fantastic with lovely technique and has a spectacular vision but never a player who controls the midfield.

So which is it?

Is it that Iniesta cannot control the midfield? or that Xavi does it better?

Nihilist:


This isn't the same as


So which is it?

Is it that Iniesta cannot control the midfield? or that Xavi does it better?

Against poor team, Iniesta's skills, technique and vision would be enough but against good opposition, he falls short.

The more reason why I think David Silva should be in the centre to do the controlling because he's quite good at it while Iniesta should be pushed up as an attacking midfielder.
Fabrehggas should be no where near the team in the first place. He should be coming in as a sub against tired legs. He's not even better in the defensive aspect than David Silva.
Something like this midfield below:
------------Busquets--------
David Silva----------
--------------Iniesta.

Diademk07:

Against poor team, Iniesta's skills, technique and vision would be enough but against good opposition, he falls short.

Vs madrid Iniesta was man of the match

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/34849342

Vs Juventus Iniesta was man of the match

So which games are bigger than those

Diademk07:

Against poor team, Iniesta's skills, technique and vision would be enough but against good opposition, he falls short.

You mean the first man EVER to receive the MOTM award in a World Cup final, European Championship final and a Champions League final falls short against good opposition?

Are you insane?

raumdeuter:


Vs madrid Iniesta was man of the match

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/34849342

Vs Juventus Iniesta was man of the match

So which games are bigger than those

For me, he was never man of the match against Juve, Suarez was.
And against Madrid, you have Kroos playing as a holding midfielder which he's never is and then the coach proceeded to play the likes of Rodriguez and Modric alongside him. That midfield was imbalanced.

Nihilist:


You mean the first man EVER to receive the MOTM award in a World Cup final, European Championship final and a Champions League final falls short against good opposition?

Are you insane?

Never was.
Xavi and Sneidjer were better than him at 2010 worldcup final. If Robben hadn't missed the countless of chances Sneidjer created, we wouldn't be talking this. Xavi too, was magnificent but because Inietsa scored the winning lone goal, he became the hero.
Same thing happened at the CL final, Suarez, Neymar, Messi were better and 2 of those players did most of the work of the assist Iniesta was credited with.
Uefa and Fifa don't dictate what I can see with my eyes, if they did, I would have agreed with them on Messi being deserving of the worldcup golden ball award.

Dont argue with stu.pid people they will draw you to their level and beat you with experience

Diademk07:

For me, he was never man of the match against Juve, Suarez was.
And against Madrid, you have Kroos playing as a holding midfielder which he's never is and then the coach proceeded to play the likes of Rodriguez and Modric alongside him. That midfield was imbalanced.

You can say for you, You can even say for you Thomas Gravesen was the MOTM But for UEFA he was MOTM in a CL final vs Juventus

For La Liga he was MOTM in the el classico. And whats the additional you put there? Was it not Kroos, Rodriguez and Modric midfield that Madrid used to beat Barcelona 3-1 the season before that?

Diademk07:

Never was.
Xavi and Sneidjer were better than him at 2010 worldcup final. If Robben hadn't missed the countless of chances Sneidjer created, we wouldn't be talking this. Xavi too, was magnificent but because Inietsa scored the winning lone goal, he became the hero.
Same thing happened at the CL final, Suarez, Neymar, Messi were better and 2 of those players did most of the work of the assist Iniesta was credited with.
Uefa and Fifa don't dictate what I can see with my eyes, if they did, I would have agreed with them on Messi being deserving of the worldcup golden ball award.

So it's a coincidence that 2 different soccer bodies in UEFA and FIFA chose iniesta as MOTM on 3 different major occasions?

I guess It's a coincidence that Iniesta has provided an assist in 3 different UCL finals too...

Useless Iniesta, always falling short against good opposition...

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raumdeuter:


You can say for you, You can even say for you Thomas Gravesen was the MOTM But for UEFA he was MOTM in a CL final vs Juventus

For La Liga he was MOTM in the el classico. And whats the additional you put there? Was it not Kroos, Rodriguez and Modric midfield that Madrid used to beat Barcelona 3-1 the season before that?

It was end to end stuff in the game. The game was quite open coupled with the fact that Suarez was finding it difficult on the right wing which was where he was deployed in that match before he was later moved to the centre in the course of the season.
The match could have gone either way but Madrid attack were more clinical.
I still cn't believe my eyes that Iniesta won the man of the match of the CL final which I watched in Nassarawa camp. We were all shouting for Juve to hold Suarez everytime he got on the ball, he was like a beast possessed.

Diademk07:

Wetin?
Did you expect Dortmund to sell below the amount they got him? He was signed for 27mil euros.
We will do well to up our bid if we really want him.

Exactly. Meet their valuation or beat it. Aye o le to yen oo

Nihilist:


So it's a coincidence that 2 different soccer bodies in UEFA and FIFA chose iniesta as MOTM on 3 different major occasions?

I guess It's a coincidence that Iniesta has provided an assist in 3 different UCL finals too...

Useless Iniesta, always falling short against good opposition...

Uefa nd Fifa are one body! No be That platini fraud and the rest? Even Platini admires Iniesta.
I would always say that Iniesta wasn't as good as Sneidjer who created plenty of chances for Robben nor Xavi who looked dominant at the worldcup final.
Same at the CL final, Barca attack trio were the catalyst with Suarez being the main one.

Diademk07:

Controlling the midfield is simply done by spatial awareness.
Obviously, Iniesta has all the skills to control the midfield but his spatial awareness isn't up to the level of Xavi's, I.e, ability to picture the pitch and craft it to your taste.

thats even one of iniestas strong point...you need to listen to yourself before you type

Guardiola remembers fondly coaching Iniesta. "He's so good that it is impossible not to play him. I could see that he was different. Nobody has a better reading of space and time than him

http://www.sport-english.com/en/news/barca/guardiola-iniesta-was-impossible-not-play-him-saw-that-was-different-4263782

raumdeuter:


Vs madrid Iniesta was man of the match

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/34849342

Vs Juventus Iniesta was man of the match

So which games are bigger than those

dont mind him...apart from messi,ive nt seen any other player who steps up in big matches...madrid fans at d bernabeu even applauded him,

dubylhover:


dont mind him...apart from messi,ive nt seen any other player who steps up in big matches...madrid fans at d bernabeu even applauded him,

Who said Iniesta don't step up in big matches?
I said since Xavi decline, he hasn't been able to play at that level against good opposition.

raumdeuter:


Vs madrid Iniesta was man of the match

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/34849342

Vs Juventus Iniesta was man of the match

So which games are bigger than those

did you see the terrible setup benitez did in that match?
the return leg was far balanced..
why not talk about that one?

dubylhover:


thats even one of iniestas strong point...you need to listen to yourself before you type

Guardiola remembers fondly coaching Iniesta. "He's so good that it is impossible not to play him. I could see that he was different. Nobody has a better reading of space and time than him

http://www.sport-english.com/en/news/barca/guardiola-iniesta-was-impossible-not-play-him-saw-that-was-different-4263782

Yet Xavi gradual decline was what led to PeP failure!
Abegi!

liveLongNprospa:

did you see the terrible setup benitez did in that match?
the return leg was far balanced..
why not talk about that one?

How was this setup different from the one in 2014 under Carlo that beat Barcelona 3-1

How many times had people question the decision of Rooney being awarded man of the match here?
It's still baffles me how Fifa could have awarded Iniesta man of the match award after what Sneidjer and Xavi did at the world cup final. Probably because the plan to swap Sneidjer with Iniesta name at ballon dor was already in process.
Same at the CL final, we people who were under the canopy at Nasarawa camp (apart from those on the plain ground in another corner) were in favour of Juve and were already shitting in our pant everytime Suarez got on the ball. At first, it was Messi but once we noticed he wasn't on his A game, we didn't really bother about him and shifted our attention to Suarez who was like a man possessed