elampiro:


1. Aguero missed more Clear cut chances than Iheanacho. But we know Aguero is the better player and striker. Same way, Aguero may have missed more Clear cut chances than Lukaku, but Aguero is still the better player and striker.

2. On the initial argument. I never for once said Lukaku should be benched. I don't know where or when that argument took place. All I said it that he was not doing other things well to help the team (like hold up play), even goals scoring aside.

3. No matter what you say, a striker that starts counting defensive contribution, high pass accuracy in his own half as his best qualities, is close to ruin. I didn't even see the defensive contribution sef.

Someone with low pass accuracy in opposition half is a weak link to his co-attacking team mates.

elampiro:


What I have done so far is to show you that playing at half line against a better opposition while your team play defensive, does not prevent goal scoring.

If strikers of smaller teams can do with, why should it be an excuse for Lukaku.

Take Kane for instance, let Tottenham park the bus against Madrid, he will still score.

elrony:


Uncle intelligentsia, tell us how "Murray beats Lukaku hands down".

Lukaku in EPL:
15 games
8 goals
4 assists
16 Chances created
12 Key passes


Murray in EPL
13 games
5 goals
0 Assists
3 chances created
3 key passes


Please don't bring your Tuwo Chinkafa punditry here, stay on the discourse (I'm allergic to pounded Rice)

PS: " Stats are Facts" (in your own words).

elampiro:


Goals are measured per minutes.


This is why some of you no know ball. Common sense says if Murray played the same number matches (game time) as Lukaku, he wood score more.

Murray also scored in a big game playing at half line. But Lukaku, na so so story.

sinizia:


How can you type this and still post it with a straight face? Because Murray scored while his heat map was in the half line means against any team a striker MUST score while his team is defending all through?

Please, how on earth did you expect Lukaku to score in our match against Loserfool? If you watched the match, where did Ukaku see a chance to wreck havoc?

Did you expect Ukaku who's in the midfield defending as Loserfool battered us to dribble like Messi from the midfield and score?

In match that we parked trailer, you expected Ukaku to perform miracle? A striker has more chances of scoring in an attacking line-up. Stop using Murray to judge every striker.

That Toress scored against Barca while Chelshit were defending for their lives doesn't mean that he might score that chance in another match.

Zlatan had only one chance against Loserfool last year at their turf and missed it. How will you expect Zlatan to score when United defended all through and could only provide one good chance by Pogba? How many strikers will always convert every chances? Even if Zlatan had scored that chance, on other day, he may miss it. No striker will be fruitful playing like we did against Loserfool. He's not a ghost and can't dribble his way from the midfield like he's invisible.

elampiro:


Joselu played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker, and scored. Newcastle 1 Liverpool 1

Scott played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker against Liverpool and scored. I think that match also ended 1-1

Murray played against us at Old Trafford at half line and scored.

But people say Lukaku didn’t score because he played at half line against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham. When has playing at half line being a license not to score?

sinizia:


I disagree. It's an unproven fact, your words in emboldened. Most things are 100% uncertain in football.

Going by your words above, why didn't Shevchenko scored like he did at Ac Milan for Chelshit?

Why didn't Toress score like he did at Loserfool for Chelshit?

That Murray fella might come to United and be like Keane was for Loserfool. Nothing is certain.

elampiro:


I don't expect a light weight like you to understand that number of matches played does not translate into number of minutes played. For instance Anthony Martial has played 14 league matches for us, but only total 579 minutes on the field which is 6 matches cumulatively.

Secondly, I never brought Assist into my arguments. And I never said Murray had more assists than Lukaku. I said in terms of goals per minutes, Murray is better. Assists sometimes depend on the quality of team mates. Lukaku has Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mata, Mikitaryan etc

Lukaku = 168.8 minutes per goal

Murray = 162.2 minutes per goal.

sinizia:
A team is parking the bus, their CF Is also defending with the team, barely making it past the half line, and you expect the striker to score? Where will he see the chance? Who will provide the chance for him? His team-mates defending deep in their own half?

elampiro:


Goals are measured per minutes.


This is why some of you no know ball. Common sense says if Murray played the same number matches (game time) as Lukaku, he wood score more.

Murray also scored in a big game playing at half line. But Lukaku, na so so story.

elampiro:


Joselu played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker, and scored. Newcastle 1 Liverpool 1

Scott played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker against Liverpool and scored. I think that match also ended 1-1

Murray played against us at Old Trafford at half line and scored.

But people say Lukaku didn’t score because he played at half line against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham. When has playing at half line being a license not to score?

elampiro:


What I have done so far is to show you that playing at half line against a better opposition while your team play defensive, does not prevent goal scoring.

If strikers of smaller teams can do with, why should it be an excuse for Lukaku.

Take Kane for instance, let Tottenham park the bus against Madrid, he will still score.

elampiro:


Joselu played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker, and scored. Newcastle 1 Liverpool 1

Scott played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker against Liverpool and scored. I think that match also ended 1-1

Murray played against us at Old Trafford at half line and scored.

But people say Lukaku didn’t score because he played at half line against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham. When has playing at half line being a license not to score?

elampiro:


1. Aguero missed more Clear cut chances than Iheanacho. But we know Aguero is the better player and striker. Same way, Aguero may have missed more Clear cut chances than Lukaku, but Aguero is still the better player and striker.

sinizia:
A team is parking the bus, their CF Is also defending with the team, barely making it past the half line, and you expect the striker to score? Where will he see the chance? Who will provide the chance for him? His team-mates defending deep in their own half?

funlord:

Elrony na you be lightweight?

sinizia:


Cool. Now, describe one or two chances Ukaku got against Loserfool and missed. I want to see the chance he got.

Against Newcastle, it's a defensive error that gave Joselu that goal. Which defensive error did Loserfool commit against us and when Ukaku got it, he missed?

I'm waiting for your reply.

eph12:

Which Murray scored at Old Trafford? Bro why all this now? E be like we have to start double checking your facts again sef

elrony:


As expected by oga Heavyweight Tuwo Chinkafa pundit!!

You've failed to tell me how "Murray beats Lukaku hands down ". If you can't stay in the discourse, own up and let your L be delivered at your doorsteps without shipping fee!

Not like I'm Chris Hughton who felt Murray wasn't deserving of total minutes of 13 matches, Oga heavyweight can you prove that Murray wold have outscored Lukaku if they had the same minutes? Shey you think football is 1 + 1 abi!


Show us how "Murray beats Lukaku hands down " when Attacking stats have shown otherwise.

Elampiro "stats are facts"

elampiro:


It is an established way of analysing it here. Coogar used it always, and no one (including me) ever disputed it. It is fact that when comparisons are made as at given date, you assume the figures to be your working guide until the situation changes.

If your goals per minutes is better, you are the better scorer. And it is assumed you are more likely to score.

chrisley024:
This is what happens when you hold stats like it's the gospel truth instead of watching the game. Giroud was a better striker last season than Costa and Aguero according to you.


There is a reason scouts go to the field of play to watch instead of just staying in the comfort of their homes and making conclusion just via stats.

Lol. A game we won by 1 nil. I'm beginning to think you don't watch games or you need to take a chilled zobo and come back later

elampiro:


Sorry, I cannot help you if you see facts and still dispute them.

chrisley024:
This is what happens when you hold stats like it's the gospel truth instead of watching the game. Giroud was a better striker last season than Costa and Aguero according to you.


There is a reason scouts go to the field of play to watch instead of just staying in the comfort of their homes and making conclusion just via stats.

Lol. A game we won by 1 nil. I'm beginning to think you don't watch games or you need to take a chilled zobo and come back later

elampiro:


Lukaku has fallen short in all aspects. He cannot play, he has weak pass accuracy in opposition's half, he misses penalties and has not been scoring recently.

eph12:

Like Murray scoring from the halfway line at Old Trafford abi?

elrony:


Andy Murray, with his racket !!!

raumdeuter:


This is exactly my point. Aguero spends more time in opponents box, Lukaku is busy half way and even left back defending yet you expect him to score as much as Aguero

raumdeuter:


What you havent shown is to bring the same opponent, same location for a big team striker and compare the heat maps to Lukaku

I will help you with one

Aguero heatmaps vs Watford away vs Lukaku heatmaps vs Watford away

See Aguero was more in the opponent box than Lukaku, Also How many times did Aguero have heatmaps in the City half of the field, Now compare to Lukaku going as far back as Left back of his team

That is your number 9 spending considerable time in his own half even as far back as left back

kelvinze:
;Dc