Deep Sight:

The core question that I ask is this - are these not ALL ancient records?

Ancient records or Religious beliefs of some people?? If the bible is ancient record and Moses was real, how come there are no evidence or records of the events before the Exodus apart from the bible?  If we take the bible as accurate, then Pharaoh was the name of a king not a title.

Deep Sight:

For example there is an atheist on this forum who likes to make a big deal about the fact that in the bible, stars are described as falling to the earth. He says it is laughable because of what we now know of the size and distance of stars. I consider this athiest quite silly for saying this repeatedly because I dont know how else he expects an ancient writer to describe meteors and meteorites.

Meteors, meteorites and comets. How smart!!!! What did this same writer mean when he said, angels will hold the four winds at the corners of the earth?

Martian:

Staggering feats that are not found in myths are believed by people, what rational skeptics do not believe are the staggering feats mentioned in mythology like the Bible. So no one will discount a staggering feat but when the accomplishment is not logical i.e the amount of gold needed, smelters etc (read PA1982's post again) and is found in a religious book, then one should ask for evidence. Staggering feats like this monument of yours stand the test of time don't they? So if the pyramids still exist, where is your golden giant? Have you watched ant NATgeo series on that? maybe the aliens took it.

Ah, Martian, let us be honest here o. If the pyramids had been destroyed entirely without a trace, the fact is that skeptics would definititely assert that such a structure probably never existed. Because even today, the construction remains a puzzle. So its clear that skeptics would have called it another myth.

Did you read and understand my analogy about the 84, 000 human sacrifices of the Aztec?

^^^
Could you give the Aztecs a rest, please?

Here's the OP:

I just read an interesting (Christian) defense of the historicity of the book of Daniel.

The Book of Daniel

As we proceed the Book of Daniel will become relevant to our examination of evidences for the accuracy Judeo-Christian theology. This relevance will be explained when we engage this examination. For now, however, it is first important to discuss the reliability and historicity of the Book of Daniel. Or more specifically, to address the scholarly objections to a 6th century dating of Daniel.

(NOTE: Later it will be shown that the Book of Daniel is sufficient to conclusively demonstrate the existence of prophecy and the supernatural within the Judeo-Christian scriptures and therefore the reliability of Judeo-Christian theology even if the scholarly dating of this book to the 2nd century is accepted.)

According to the Bible (specifically the Book of Daniel itself), Daniel was a prophet who lived during the 6th century B.C.

"Daniel - In the Bible, a Hebrew prophet of the sixth century B.C." - The American Heritage¨ Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

"Daniel - 1: the Jewish hero of the Book of Daniel who as an exile in Babylon interprets dreams, gives accounts of apocalyptic visions, and is divinely delivered from a den of lions 2: a book of narratives, visions, and prophecies in canonical Jewish and Christian Scripture -- see BIBLE table." - Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary

Chapter 1 of the Book of Daniel informs us that Daniel was taken captive into exile in Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar (II) when he conquered Israel's southern kingdom of Judah.

Daniel 1:1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god. 3 And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, and of the king's seed, and of the princes; 4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans. 5 And the king appointed them a daily provision of the king's meat, and of the wine which he drank: so nourishing them three years, that at the end thereof they might stand before the king. 6 Now among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: 7 Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abednego, 18 Now at the end of the days that the king had said he should bring them in, then the prince of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar. 19 And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they before the king. 20 And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.

From the historical record we know that these events took place in 586 B.C.

"Judaism - After Nebuchadrezzar's decisive defeat of Egypt at Carchemish (605 BCE), Jeremiah identified the scourge as Babylon. King Jehoiakim's attempt to be free of Babylonia ended with the exile of his successor, Jehoiachin, along with Judah's elite (597); yet the court of the new king, Zedekiah, persisted in plotting new revolts, relyingÑagainst all experienceÑon Egyptian support." - Britannica.com

"Judaism - In 587/586 BCE the doom prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel came true. Rebellious Jerusalem was reduced by Nebuchadrezzar, the Temple was burnt, and much of Judah's population dispersed or deported to Babylonia." - Britannica.com

"Diaspora - The first significant Jewish Diaspora was the result of the Babylonian Exile (q.v.) of 586 BC. After the Babylonians conquered the Kingdom of Judah, part of the Jewish population was deported into slavery." - Britannica.com

"Jerusalem - Jerusalem became the spiritual and political capital of the Hebrews. In 586 B.C. it fell to the Babylonians, and the Temple was destroyed." - The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.

Nothing in Daniel's record at this point conflicts with our modern understanding of history. Instead, what Daniel reports is completely consistent with what we now know of history, that upon conquering Judah, Nebuchadnezzar did take captive many of the nobles and people and bring them back to Bablyon. The second chapter of the book states that Daniel was one of these captives who became one of the chief ministers of the court of King Nebuchadnezzar and his successors through a series of events, initiated by Daniel's interpretation of a Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

Complete Article - http://www.biblestudying.net/christianity3.html

Why is it that many atheists are of the view that in acknowledging historical texts, books in the bible should be exempted? For example, when an atheist disputes teh existence of Jesus, he will demand that one should provide him with sources outside of scripture. Is this a reasonable demand? Are scriptural texts not themselves ancient writings which record many well known facts?

Discuss?

Please try to stick to the point and not open your self to ridicule by bringing up Aztecs and the pyramids, neither of which are mentioned in the Book of Daniel.

Deep Sight:

Martian - are there any historical accuracies in the Bible?

If so, how many/ what proportion?

Answer this question honestly and I think that will resolve this debate.

Yes.  Some of the places exist. Maybe certain characters were based on real people. But we can say that for other mythological books too! What's the point?
Shit, the Olympics are a legacy of the worship of Greek Gods but we don't think that Perseus and co actually did all the heroic deeds.

@martian:

Thank god(oops) that athiesm is not a religion,otherwise you would be giving us a bad name.
I notice that you are more interested in making carricature than engaging in open discussion. You seem to be dogmatic like one who posses absulote knowledge about what is real and what is not real,and, unable to consider possiblities. Imagination is actually the greatest survival tool that humans have. There is nothing wrong in considering possibilites, no matter how far fetched.
I have the conviction that aliens, angels, gods or whatever you want to call them, at some point in our distant past, inhabited the earth and played out dramas that were recorded by the stone age people in the best way and language they could.
There is an overwhelming body of evidence to sugges[/b]t that. This is not a matter of faith or belief . There are countless distinguished hostorians, archeologist and academics who publicly support this notion. Even if it is not true, there is nothing wrong or wierd about considering such possibilities in the face of so much unexplainable technological marvels of ancient civilizations and from direct interpretation of ancient text.
I think its sheer arrogance for any learned person to dismiss that [b]possibility.   . thinking out of the box and Considering remote possibilities is actually what drives human achievements.

Please answer this question -

Deep Sight:


If so, how many/ what proportion?

plaetton:

@martian:

Thank god(oops) that athiesm is not a religion,otherwise you would be giving us a bad name.
I notice that you are more interested in making carricature than engaging in open discussion. You seem to be dogmatic like one who posses absulote knowledge about what is real and what is not real,and, unable to consider possiblities. Imagination is actually the greatest survival tool that humans have. There is nothing wrong in considering possibilites, no matter how far fetched.
I have the conviction that aliens, angels, gods or whatever you want to call them, at some point in our distant past, inhabited the earth and played out dramas that were recorded by the stone age people in the best way and language they could.
There is an overwhelming body of evidence to sugges[/b]t that. This is not a matter of faith or belief . There are countless distinguished hostorians, archeologist and academics who publicly support this notion. Even if it is not true, there is nothing wrong or wierd about considering such possibilities in the face of so much unexplainable technological marvels of ancient civilizations and from direct interpretation of ancient text.
I think its sheer arrogance for any learned person to dismiss that [b]possibility. . thinking out of the box and Considering remote possibilities is actually what drives human achievements.

Thank you oooo!

The body of evidence is quite large and certainly deserves to be considered.

Deep Sight:


Ah, Martian, let us be honest here o. If the pyramids had been destroyed entirely without a trace, the fact is that skeptics would definititely assert that such a structure probably never existed.

Some would.

Deep Sight:


Ah, Martian, let us be honest here o. If the pyramids had been destroyed entirely without a trace, the fact is that skeptics would definititely assert that such a structure probably never existed. Because even today, the construction remains a puzzle. So its clear that skeptics would have called it another myth.
Did you read and understand my analogy about the 84, 000 human sacrifices of the Aztec

The construction remains a puzzle because there are no extant  records of how the Egyptians did it but if they were to be reconstructed, then we would find out just exactly they did by replicating it. Whatever knowledge they had then, we have now andthe only thing missing is how they actually did it.  But that would be an exercise in futility because this current civilization don't have same values so building pyramids will be a waste of time.
Furthermore, construction of that size should have some remnants. The pyramids still stand and another example is Mount Rushmore, which won't get it's optimal shape for another 30000 years. My point is, a monument of that size can't just disappear even if it actually existed.

Deep Sight:

Did you read and understand my analogy about the 84, 000 human sacrifices of the Aztec?

The existence of the Aztecs isn't disputed. The 84000 might be out of whack but THE AZTECS EXISTED.

PA1982:

^^^
Could you give the Aztecs a rest, please?

NO, I CANNOT! Because both you and Martian have missed the pith of that analogy. That analogy shows that the exxageration of an event does not render the event false.

plaetton:

@martian:

Thank god(oops) that athiesm is not a religion,otherwise you would be giving us a bad name.
I notice that you are more interested in making carricature than engaging in open discussion. You seem to be dogmatic like one who posses absulote knowledge about what is real and what is not real,and, unable to consider possiblities. Imagination is actually the greatest survival tool that humans have. There is nothing wrong in considering possibilites, no matter how far fetched.

I don't possess absolute knowledge but I do know mythology when i see it. Just because you kowtow to mythology doesn't mean I do.

plaetton:

I have the conviction that aliens, angels, gods or whatever you want to call them, at some point in our distant past, inhabited the earth and played out dramas that were recorded by the stone age people in the best way and language they could.

When are they coming back to replay these dramas

plaetton:

There is an overwhelming body of evidence to sugges[/b]t that. This is not a matter of faith or belief . There are countless distinguished hostorians, archeologist and academics who publicly support this notion. Even if it is not true, there is nothing wrong or wierd about considering such possibilities in the face of so much unexplainable technological marvels of ancient civilizations and from direct interpretation of ancient text.
I think its sheer arrogance for any learned person to dismiss that [b]possibility.   . thinking out of the box and Considering remote possibilities is actually what drives human achievements.

Where do you live? Because it seems it's guys who live in Nigeria who know these "historians, archeologists and academics" .

Martian:

Some would.

Please be honest - ALL mainstream people would definitely have denied their existence.

This shows you that mainstream could sometimes be wrong and "conspiracy theorists" could sometimes be right.

There is a huge gap in history somewhere that we are not seeing. Personally I cannot accept that advanced RECORDED civilizations have existed on this planet for only six thousand or so years. Its implausible to me.

Furthermore, construction of that size should have some remnants.

Not necessarily: it depends on the level of the cataclysmic event that may have erased it. There have been many catacylsmic events in the earths history.

The existence of the Aztecs isn't disputed. The 84000 might be out of whack but THE AZTECS EXISTED.

You STILL didnt get that analogy, did you?

I got ur analogy.numbers or measurements can be distorted.I just pointed out that the Aztecs existed and that the sacrifices probaby happened.Unlike the historicity of the golden statue, talkless of its measurement.
I'll be back for the rest, I'm watching these aliens perform this short drama.

Lolz. This man sef. Anyway thanks, chatting with you has really helped me distract myself from some terrible personal issues this Sunday. Take care! - I will be back too!

^^^^ All the best with the personal issues.

Deep Sight:

NO, I CANNOT! Because both you and Martian have missed the pith of that analogy. That analogy shows that the exxageration of an event does not render the event false.

Yet again, wrong.
Are you really unaware of how silly your analogy is?
The subject is the historical accuracy of the Book of Daniel.
Citing the Aztecs just shows you have no real grasp of the subject because you've abandoned the Book of D to chase after aliens and Aztecs.
Get a grip!

plaetton:

,  I have the conviction that aliens, angels, gods or whatever you want to call them, at some point in our distant past, inhabited the earth and played out dramas that were recorded by the stone age people in the best way and language they could.
There is an overwhelming body of evidence to sugges[/b]t that. This is not a matter of faith or belief . There are countless distinguished hostorians, archeologist and academics who publicly support this notion. Even if it is not true, there is nothing wrong or wierd about considering such possibilities in the face of so much unexplainable technological marvels of ancient civilizations and from direct interpretation of ancient text.
I think its sheer arrogance for any learned person to dismiss that [b]possibility.   . thinking out of the box and Considering remote possibilities is actually what drives human achievements.

And what does this have to do with the Book of D?

Deep Sight:

Please be honest - ALL mainstream people would definitely have denied their existence.

No they wouldn't. It's actually conspiracy theorists that would deny. Just like they deny the moon landing.

Deep Sight:

This shows you that mainstream could sometimes be wrong and "conspiracy theorists" could sometimes be right.

Conspiracy theorists are never right because their so called "theories" always involve protagonists that are somehow invicible. All they do is take ordinary events and distort till they give you a headache.
How about this analogy.

In 92 before the U.S elections, Clinton met with the Co-Chair of Goldmann Sachs and 11 other Wall Street executives to talk about free markets. They met in the dead of night in an exclusive restaurant and talked about taxes, Nafta and deregulations etc.

If a "conspiracy theorist" gets a hold of this story, it will become a tale of Illuminati, masons, baphomet, blood sacrifice and other weird "alien" things.
Conspiracy theorists are never right and the things they are right about are usually clear to most people.

PA1982:

And what does this have to do with the Book of D?

Maybe the the book of daniels is about plaetton's ancient aliens who had their own hollywood waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the day.

T[b]heir western movies probably involved Aliens riding Dinosaurs like the Cowboys ride horses. [/b]

^^^
Steady on.
No one's forcing you to watch Ancient Aliens, so far!

Here's a link that goes over the Pyramid 'mysteries' rather thoroughly, for those who can't face the historical inconsistencies of the Book of D.

http://www.catchpenny.org/

Deep Sight:

If so, how many/ what proportion?

http://www.archaeowiki.org/Eliezer_Oren

http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/982front.html
This is strange indeed considering that references to Hebrew kings of much less biblical importance (Omri, Ahab, Jehu, Zedekiah, etc.) have been found in extrabiblical records. This archaeological silence doesn't prove that David and Solomon did not exist, but it certainly gives all but biblical inerrantists pause to wonder.

Has archaeology confirmed the historical accuracy of some information in the Bible? Indeed it has, but I know of no person who has ever tried to deny that some biblical history is accurate. The inscription on the Moabite Stone, for example, provides disinterested, nonbiblical confirmation that king Mesha of the Moabites, mentioned in 2 Kings 3:4-27, was probably an actual historical character. The Black Obelisk provides a record of the payment of tribute to the Assyrian king Shalmaneser III by Jehu, king of the Israelites (2 Kings 9-10; 2 Chron. 22:7-9). Likewise, the Babylonian Chronicle attests to the historicity of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and his conquest of Jerusalem as recorded in 2 Kings 25. Other examples could be cited, but these are sufficient to show that archaeology has corroborated some information in the Bible.



Another case in point is the biblical record of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and their subsequent 40-year wandering in the Sinai wilderness. According to census figures in the book of Numbers, the Israelite population would have been between 2.5 to 3 million people, all of whom died in the wilderness for their disobedience, yet extensive archaeological work by Israeli archaeologist Eliezer Oren over a period of 10 years "failed to provide a single shred of evidence that the biblical account of the Exodus from Egypt ever happened" (Barry Brown, "Israeli Archaeologist Reports No Evidence to Back Exodus Story," News Toronto Bureau, Feb. 27, 1988). Oren reported that although he found papyrus notes that reported the sighting of two runaway slaves, no records were found that mentioned a horde of millions: "They were spotted and the biblical account of 2.5 million people with 600,000 of military age weren't?" Oren asked in a speech at the Royal Ontario Museum. That is certainly a legitimate question. Up to 3 million Israelites camped in a wilderness for 40 years, but no traces of their camps, burials, and millions of animal sacrifices could be found in ten years of excavations. This may be an argument from silence, but it is a silence that screams.

i have my proof of aliens because i've seen one. i aint lying. i'll explain soon. please hold on

diluminati:

i have my proof of aliens because[b] i've seen one.[/b] i aint lying. i'll explain soon. please hold on

For you, martian:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens


Sorry about the derail.
Any interest in the Book of D?

PA1982:

For you, martian:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens

lmao, you found the rest. You should look for "third world success kid", you'll cringe and laugh.

PA1982:

^^^^ All the best with the personal issues.

Yet again, wrong.
Are you really unaware of how silly your analogy is?
The subject is the historical accuracy of the Book of Daniel.
Citing the Aztecs just shows you have no real grasp of the subject because you've abandoned the Book of D to chase after aliens and Aztecs.
Get a grip!

And what does this have to do with the Book of D?

Nothing or maybe much. Topics start from one issue and evolve into another.

My own understanding of biblical and most ancient lore is that the ancients were probably unwitting proxies in a drama they themselves did not fully understand.
Even King nebuchadnezzar, in his own, records, claimed that his own patron god, Nebo (son of the babylonian god Marduk), gave him a terrible weapon with which he used to strike terror and conquer his enemies.
Are we to take him seriously or just laugh him off as another delusional tyrant? either is fine.

Now consider the possiblility, just the possibility, in light of what we know as technologically possible , that perhaps , Nebuchadnezzar summoned Daniel and the others, whom the bible descibed as exceedingly wise(in what?scientific knowledge?) to try to decode or operate or fix some form of advanced mechinery or weaponry that he had come in possession of .
It may seem far fetched , it might be completely wrong, but what else does it mean to be conscious humans if we cannot speculate on possiblities and probabilities even at the risk of being mocked?.

To assume a position of knowing what is real and what is psuedo is a form of hubris.

@Martian:
Again, give a dog a bad name and then hang it? Just label someone a conspiracy theorist and the mock them. case closed? .
Actually , conspiracy is not such a bad word and there is nothing wrong with having a conspiracy theory. Afterall, criminal courts all over world charge and convict people everyday for one form of conspiracy or another. Not so? So there are such things as conspiracies. Individuals engage in it, governments and its agencies engage it. Infact, the intellgence agencies of all nations are set up to both investigate conspiracies against their nations and to also make conspiracies against percieved enemies or rivals.
Did someone or some people conspire to kill JFK? obviously yes. He is dead, isn't he?

plaetton:

@Martian:
Again, give a dog a bad name and then hang it? Just label someone a conspiracy theorist and the mock them. case closed? .
Actually , conspiracy is not such a bad word and there is nothing wrong with having a conspiracy theory. Afterall, criminal courts all over world charge and convict people everyday for one form of conspiracy or another. Not so? So there are such things as conspiracies. Individuals engage in it, governments and its agencies engage it. Infact, the intellgence agencies of all nations are set up to both investigate conspiracies against their nations and to also make conspiracies against percieved enemies or rivals.
Did someone or some people conspire to kill JFK? obviously yes. He is dead, isn't he?

Ok, but i didn't say that people don't conspire. I'm talking about the ones who see "secrets" and "mysteries" in everything. The ones who see the bogeyman everywhere.

plaetton:

Nothing or maybe much. Topics start from one issue and evolve into another.

My own understanding of biblical and most ancient lore is that the ancients were probably unwitting proxies in a drama they themselves did not fully understand.
Even King nebuchadnezzar, in his own, records, claimed that his own patron god, Nebo (son of the babylonian god Marduk), gave him a terrible weapon with which he used to strike terror and conquer his enemies.
Are we to take him seriously or just laugh him off as another delusional tyrant? either is fine.

Either is fine? Ok. Let's forget about Nebuchadnezzar and talk about a figure in contemporary history who also had "divine things" going on.
Kim Jong-il's official biography[11] states he was born in a secret military camp on Baekdu Mountain in Japanese-occupied Korea on 16 February 1942.[12] Official biographers claim that his birth at Baekdu Mountain was foretold by a swallow, and heralded by the appearance of a double rainbow across the sky over the mountain and a new star in the heavens

Are we to take him seriously or just laugh him off as another delusional tyrant? either is fine

plaetton:

Now consider the possiblility, just the possibility, in light of what we know as technologically possible , that perhaps , Nebuchadnezzar summoned Daniel and the others, whom the bible descibed as exceedingly wise(in what?scientific knowledge?) to try to decode or operate or fix some form of advanced  mechinery or weaponry that he had come in possession of .
It may seem far fetched , it might be completely wrong, but what else does it mean to be conscious humans if we cannot speculate on possiblities and probabilities even at the risk of being mocked?.

To assume a position of knowing what is real and what is psuedo is a form of hubris.

James Oberg, NASA engineer and science writer, is famously quoted as observing “You must keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out

Martian:

Ok, but i didn't say that people don't conspire. I'm talking about the ones who see "secrets" and "mysteries" in everything. The ones who see the bogeyman everywhere.

Either is fine? Ok. Let's forget about Nebuchadnezzar and talk about a figure in contemporary history who also had "divine things" going on.
Kim Jong-il's official biography[11] states he was born in a secret military camp on Baekdu Mountain in Japanese-occupied Korea on 16 February 1942.[12] Official biographers claim that his birth at Baekdu Mountain was foretold by a swallow, and heralded by the appearance of a double rainbow across the sky over the mountain and a new star in the heavens

Are we to take him seriously or just laugh him off as another delusional tyrant? either is fine

James Oberg, NASA engineer and science writer, is famously quoted as observing “You must keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out

That is very very funy. I'm laughing my head off. I hope my brain doen't fall off.

Martian:

Ok, but i didn't say that people don't conspire. I'm talking about the ones who see "secrets" and "mysteries" in everything. The ones who see the bogeyman everywhere.

Either is fine? Ok. Let's forget about Nebuchadnezzar and talk about a figure in contemporary history who also had "divine things" going on.
Kim Jong-il's official biography[11] states he was born in a secret military camp on Baekdu Mountain in Japanese-occupied Korea on 16 February 1942.[12] Official biographers claim that his birth at Baekdu Mountain was foretold by a swallow, and heralded by the appearance of a double rainbow across the sky over the mountain and a new star in the heavens

Are we to take him seriously or just laugh him off as another delusional tyrant? either is fine

James Oberg, NASA engineer and science writer, is famously quoted as observing “You must keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out

That is very very funy. I'm laughing my head off. I hope my brain doen't fall off.

plaetton:

That is very very funy. I'm laughing my head off. I hope my brain doen't fall off.

lol, it's pretty close to falling out with your theories about Nebuchadnezzar's secret weapon given to him by Marduk's son.  

By the way, where are your academics, archeologists and historians who support your "Ancient Alien" theories?

hell is real

chibuikej:

hell is real

lol, your very first post. "Hell is real" lmao

Did you just come back from there?

Do your own research.
For starters, read Zacharia Sitchin's "The wars of gods and men".
He is a world renowned and distiguished historian and linguist.
 And, I dont advance any  theory. I think a lot of the  theories advanced by researchers provoke serious thought and imagination, especially when there are evidence, even if anectodal, to supoort such theories.
The world, human history and the universe are far too complext to embrace one particular viewpoint and hold on to it.
yoursefl, Keep an open mind and just make sure it doesn't fall off.

Joagbaje:

There's no historical conflict. For example . Mattew and Luke gave the different lineage . Luke gave the blood line through mary Mattew gave through Joseph

This is false. Both genealogies are traced back to Jesus. One lineage goes from David to Solomon, another goes from David to Nathan. In fact one of my favourite christian jokes is to ask a christian "after David, which of his sons is in the lineage of Jesus". Most say Solomon but it doesnt matter. I always prove them wrong with the bible. In fact, last year on nairaland, I showed that both lineages are from David and not one from David, one from Mary as Joagbaje wants us to believe. Its a common error, but not one I expect Joagbaje (our religious poster of the year) to make.