Is this a show of supremacy between two African nations ? 1.Sometimes ago,some Nigerians were killed in SA in the name of xenophobia 2.SA sent a warship to ivory coast against Nigeria Ecowas consent 3. SA was against Nigeria support of UN resolution on Libya and now 4. the deportation of Nigerians. Is it war that they want with Nigeria ?

Its a tale of an existing Titan of Africa and an emerging Titan.

Long before SA opened up to the rest of Africa, Nigeria was known as the big dog. Behold post apartheid, SA is trying to assert itself as the dominate political and economic force on the continent

Nigeria will not go down easily. Therefore this creates tension between both countries.

Personall if the two countries temper their ego's they'll see it would be far better and less stressful to collaborate than to be adversarial.

There is nothing of so called supremacy by either one of these two. SA is not even a supreme in SADC union. But its always pretend to be the big boy of the union. and that doesn't go well with SADC founding fathers.

But this news of rivalry is a very good news. if you ask me.

can nigeria stand the SA?

Firstly the xenophobia violence was not a state event nor aimed towards Nigeria. And we are the back bone of SADC at least in a economic and military side witch translates in to political side of things.

Next the only reason there is animosity is because we both regional powers but south africa wants more and this puts them in conflict with Nigeria has we step in to your back yard.

Has for do we want war with Nigeria. No. War is costly and we have no means of putting ground forces of any large size in Nigeria with out support of other nations including nation next to you. The most we could do is a navel blockade.

I do not see us working together we both have different ideas and philosophies concerning how we want to. Deal with the world.

On a related note south africa is pushing for chairmen ship of the AU and a permanent seat on the UN security council.

Firstly the xenophobia violence was not a state event nor aimed towards Nigeria. And we are the back bone of SADC at least in a economic and military side witch translates in to political side of things.

Next the only reason there is animosity is because we both regional powers but south africa wants more and this puts them in conflict with Nigeria has we step in to your back yard.

Has for do we want war with Nigeria. No. War is costly and we have no means of putting ground forces of any large size in Nigeria with out support of other nations including nation next to you. The most we could do is a navel blockade.

I do not see us working together we both have different ideas and philosophies concerning how we want to. Deal with the world.

On a related note south africa is pushing for chairmen ship of the AU and a permanent seat on the UN security council.

@andrewza

I work with and have worked with many South Africans who are level headed individuals who understand the politics,economics and social issues that surround the strained relationship between the two countries. I am in business with them and we constantly air our views on these three components that influence the NAIJA/SA relationship and through this we are able to understand the experiences of both countries

So trust me people can and will work together only if they choose to do so and stop clouding their minds with ignorant stereotypes by rising above them.

it takes an intelligent mind

FREE YOUR MIND!!!

I was just pointing out differences and why there is conflict. I do not support a lot of my government's decisions and do not even support a lot of what the opposition is saying. I all so do not think our relationship is that bad. We are doing a lot for each other. You are buying patrol boats from us creating money in our country. And many civilian company's are now operating in Nigeria to name some of the areas where we work together. But our governments have different views and goals witch some times clash together.

andrewza: Firstly the xenophobia violence was not a state event nor aimed towards Nigeria. And we are the back bone of SADC at least in a economic and military side witch translates in to political side of things.

No, your not the economic and military backbone of SADC. First of all. SA only dominates Botswana, Namibia , Lesoto and Swaziland only. Only thing that SA has in SADC are 2 or Banks, Shoprite, MTN or Vodacom (which are expensive than other networks anyways) and perhaps Nandos. thats all about it.
In the real sense, SADC founding nations are not dependent on SA at all, but rather trades big with China and the West.

And Militarily. SA only has that advanced military Technology. But members such as Angola, Tanzania and other big members are not intimidated by SA's military muscle, most member countries not dominated by your economy either.

Next the only reason there is animosity is because we both regional powers but south africa wants more and this puts them in conflict with Nigeria has we step in to your back yard.

The reason is ANC's wannabe Su-Sahara continental's only big boy who everyone should fear. which is so wrong considering in your so called backyard you scare no one. Not economically, nor militarily.

Has for do we want war with Nigeria. No. War is costly and we have no means of putting ground forces of any large size in Nigeria with out support of other nations including nation next to you. The most we could do is a navel blockade.

Well spoken. But SA wouldn't get support of other African coumtries to go against Nigeria anyways, not even the Navel blockade.

I do not see us working together we both have different ideas and philosophies concerning how we want to. Deal with the world.

On a related note south africa is pushing for chairmen ship of the AU and a permanent seat on the UN security council.

Thing is that, Africa is too diverse and massive to have a single big boy . But SA and Nigeria will continue to work together economically.

Well, Thats why SA was fast to apologize because it knows very well that it will be the looser, not Nigeria.

Anyways. Its not the first time South-Africa's ANC gets in mud with other African countries.

Isn't it funny that South-Africa buys Oil from Nigeria, but Not Angola? a SADC member and thats very near them?

Mutu Ya Chuma: Anyways. Its not the first time South-Africa's ANC gets in mud with other African countries.

Isn't it funny that South-Africa buys Oil from Nigeria, but Not Angola? a SADC member and thats very near them?

who told you sa buys oil from nigeria not angola?? sa buys oil form every OPEC countries. your oil isnt made of gold, oil price is the same, it is much easier to buy from angola than nigeria. logistical costs.

andrewza: Firstly the xenophobia violence was not a state event nor aimed towards Nigeria. And we are the back bone of SADC at least in a economic and military side witch translates in to political side of things.

No, your not the economic and military backbone of SADC. First of all. SA only dominates Botswana, Namibia , Lesoto and Swaziland only. Only thing that SA has in SADC are 2 or Banks, Shoprite, MTN or Vodacom (which are expensive than other networks anyways) and perhaps Nandos. thats all about it.
In the real sense, SADC founding nations are not dependent on SA at all, but rather trades big with China and the West.

And Militarily. SA only has that advanced military Technology. But members such as Angola, Tanzania and other big members are not intimidated by SA's military muscle, most member countries not dominated by your economy either


We provide all of the advanced and specialist abilities to the SADC stand by brigade. We all so provide technical support for a lot of them. we all so proved training for them. So yes we are the lead force in SADC.not only due to our military strength but all due to the support we provide.


In the Economic front we have the strongest economy in africa. Our ports are needed by the rest of SADC. Most of there goods come through them even other coastal nations use our ports. Even though we have electrical shortages we still sell to the rest of SADC. We are with out a doubt the richest nation with the highs standard of living.



I am not saying Nigeria is poor or weak. But you can not say that we are not the richest or most heavily armed or best trained military force in probably in africa. We have the 17 largest stock exchange in the world. And more production ability than any other nation in africa.

Hmmm....,am still following people opinions with keen interest.Lets hear more.Between nigeria and south africa,who do u think will win if war breaks out ?

Has I said before. There is no ability for either side to invade one another. Both sides have only a limited amphibian force. So it will be limited to navel action and spec ops operations, neither of witch wins wars.

The south african navy can operate a task force that far and it will destroy Nigeria's navy and could do a lot of damage to the maritime trade and industry (oil wells) but again to what end. War will not happen.

Im an african who travelled to many countries in africa and the whole world. fact is we can not compare SA with Nigeria. SA is a developed country which is in G13, is number 9 in the whole world in terms of development. it has strong economy, high standard of living, good infrastructure. about war SA will not fight cz is not a war type country. Nigeria and SA must just team up to make africa the great continent. SA is a country purely ruled by black people, all the development u c are done by anc, before anc less than 20% of people where having electricity, clean water, good roads, houses, grant for the poor, etc.

zhike: Im an african who travelled to many countries in africa and the whole world. fact is we can not compare SA with Nigeria. SA is a developed country which is in G13, is number 9 in the whole world in terms of development. it has strong economy, high standard of living, good infrastructure. about war SA will not fight cz is not a war type country. Nigeria and SA must just team up to make africa the great continent. SA is a country purely ruled by black people, all the development u c are done by anc, before anc less than 20% of people where having electricity, clean water, good roads, houses, grant for the poor, etc.

WTF!!
Are you fuccking kidding me?

Other than the no 9 in development what the WTF about? Just interested.

I agree with you Totally. However, there's one area that's over looked and unfortunately there's hardly any stats for this issue. Its quiet sad that the family structure in my country is pretty much broken. One of the reasons I admire West Africans in general, is the fact that they're responsible. No matter how much we may advance in terms of world rankings, nothing compares to a child who has both parents in his life .

Unfortunately, the majority of SA men have children that they hardly play a role in they're up bringing. A mother can afford everything, but nothing compares to a fathers love.

They say a mother can try to call a child into order, but a father only needs to speak ONCE and the child will listen. The government is trying to make campaigns about males being more responsible in every way. But I wonder how many people are hearing this message.

Its so sad to grow up in a society where being a single mother is the norm even when the father lives up the road... And believe you me, I'm not exaggerating .

What kind of boys will my generations children become.. This is a major challenge.


www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zuma-s-views-on-women-defended-1.1369366

^^^
consequence of Apatheid. Same historical examples in African American history. It can be reversed but will take serious work.

andrewza: Firstly the xenophobia violence was not a state event nor aimed towards Nigeria. And we are the back bone of SADC at least in a economic and military side witch translates in to political side of things.

Next the only reason there is animosity is because we both regional powers but south africa wants more and this puts them in conflict with Nigeria has we step in to your back yard.

Has for do we want war with Nigeria. No. War is costly and we have no means of putting ground forces of any large size in Nigeria with out support of other nations including nation next to you. The most we could do is a navel blockade.

I do not see us working together we both have different ideas and philosophies concerning how we want to. Deal with the world.

On a related note south africa is pushing for chairmen ship of the AU and a permanent seat on the UN security council.

and it got it my boetie lol