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Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 7:44pm On Apr 14, 2012 |
Spiritual works and laws expose discussion. I would like to introduce this topic to those whom are interested in knowing their right and i would also want contributions from those who knows things about spirituality works or tricks and laws on how they opperate here on earth and in the spirit realm, so plz share it here. Firstly let me make this know to you all, how spiritism started. In the beginning was God. John 1-1 which is to let you know that God has no beginning. He was there when everything started. And everything started and was done with He's Word or Spirit, He speaks. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. What you need to learn there is that the voice of God was the beginning He says let there be this and that through his Spirit |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 7:54pm On Apr 14, 2012 |
^^^ We can have fellowship together. I just concluded some study on this verse and cross referenced some other verses. What is your take on John 1:1? |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 7:54pm On Apr 14, 2012 |
To let you know that the spirit world or realm existed before the heaven and earth. Through this realm God was able to create the heaven and earth. The realm or world has been there for decares or ages with God and his son and his angel. I will continue and be droping them please stay turn. Plz no body should comment yet |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 7:56pm On Apr 14, 2012 |
Okay. Am waiting. I've got something to share also. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 5:20am On Apr 15, 2012 |
Like as i said, God lives in the spirit world alone before the beginning of the heavonly system. he created the begotton son and three special Archangels namely Lucifer, Gebriel, Michael, and many other untold or unmensioned angels in the spirit realm and there are stretagic position and ranking among the angels, lucifer was the highiest ranking of the angels, he was specially design with beauty and made perfectly pure in heart and spirit, blameless and reasonable. he's latin name 'lucifer' means Light Bearer or Light Bringer ( The Morning Star) God love Him so much before he's sin against God, before then they all live together with God Laws and commads what he says they all do so that they don't sin. God was in command of everything and what he say they must obey. Note: not all the angels can see the face of God,. Lucifer is the most powerful of all God creations or angels and was full of pride. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 5:37am On Apr 15, 2012 |
the origin Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means "bestowal of Gods divine favor", and "appointment to a special place or function." God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God... rather than "just" being the Angel of God. If God is so good, then why did he create Satan? Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him. It was not put there by God. Lucifer created it. ( this is found in Ezekiel 28:15 ) Like man, the angels were created perfect, and with a free will. Satan was lifted up because of his beauty, he corrupted the wisdom by reason of his brightness (This is in Ezekiel 28:17) Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV) "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty." 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." This is not an earthly king, as the word "cherub" is only used in references to angels. 15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. The word "covering" is from the Hebrew word cakak, and means: to entwine, to fence in, cover over, protect, defend, hedge in, (source "The complete word study Old Testament" Was Lucifer’s job to protect the very earth he corrupted? Was this one of his duties that gave him so much pride? 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 0 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 5:46am On Apr 15, 2012 |
Question: "Where does Satan and the fall fit into all of this? He must have been cast down before Adam and Eve were created because he was there to tempt Eve in the Garden? Was there, could there have been, a pre-Adamic age - and surly this would have been a catastrophic event? Best regards Amanda S. Q. 6/19/01 Answer: Satan was cast out of heaven after Adam and Eve were created, because God said the Creation was still "very good" on day 6 after man had been created. There was nothing and no one here before Adam and Eve. Read my page disproving the Gap Theory for more information. Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Satan wanted to be God. The Bible tells us in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 that Satan has become the "god of this world". And Revelation 20:10 tells us that he will be eternally punished for it. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9) Revelation 12:4-9 (King James Version) "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (6)And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (7)And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. (9)And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons. Why didn't God just destroy Satan? Because sin had entered the world, and into the very nature of man through Adams transgression, then for God to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved. But God had a better way. A way of Redemption. And Christ the Redeemer was on His way ! What does Satan look like? We've all seen pictures of Satan portrayed as a hoofed creature, red in color.. with little horns on his head. But this description is not Biblical. The hoofed being we usually see is actually closer to that of "Pan" from Greek mythology. Perhaps Satan wants this image of himself to be used, because of its absurdity. Knowing that the day would come when God and the Devil would both be dismissed as "mythical" Revelation 12:3 speaks of the red horned dragon. This is not Satan himself, but a reference to him from where these physical attributes possibly originate. Revelation 12:3 (KJV) And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. The Book of "Ezekiel" tells us what Lucifer really looked like before he sinned. Lucifer was a being "of perfect beauty". He was covered in every precious stone. He had pendants and jewels of gold... Lucifer was beautiful before he sinned. An expression of Gods own beauty and power. But like man, Lucifer’s very nature changed when he sinned. His (Lucifer’s) physical appearance may have as well. When did Lucifer fall from Heaven? It was not before day 6 like many people believe (those who believe the "Gap Theory" wrongly claim this). The Bible tells us that Lucifer was in Eden (which was created on day 6) and was still without sin on that day. Ezekiel 28:13 (KJV) “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." In the literature of our society, Satan is almost always shown in robes of red. Some believe that the color of an angels robes are symbolic of their rank in heaven. I am unaware of a scripture to support this however. There is a coming judgment of Satan and his angels. < center> 2 Peter 2:4 (KJV) "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [the Greek word here is "tartarus"], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;” Jude 1:6 (KJV) “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." In the day of judgment “…the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. John 17: (verify verse #) talks of the time of judgment, the prince of this world will be driven out. Hell was not made for man. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But those who do not receive Christ as their Lord and Savior will be sent to Hell, and have their part in the lake of fire. Satan is "the god of this world" he " has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the Gospel of the Glory of Christ" ( 2 Corinthians 4;4) Satan is a liar. The Bible tells us he is the father of all lies. John 8:44 (KJV) "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." He will deceive man in any way he can. Some are deceived by the New Age Movement, others are deceived by Humanists, Evolutionary lies, etc. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 6:07am On Apr 15, 2012 |
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 1 God creates heaven and earth; 3 the light; 6 the firmament; 9 separates the dry land; 14 forms the sun, moon, and stars; 20 fishes and fowls; 24 cattle, wild beasts, and creeping things; 26 creates man in his own image, blesses him; 29 grants the fruits of the earth for food to man. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 6:19am On Apr 15, 2012 |
God will the earth to man. So the earth belong to man and will still be. The parade of satan and he's wickedness is on a limited time. What God say that it must be though it might take time destiny cannot be changed. Jesus warns us about Satan.... "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." (John 10:10-11) Satan (the thief) works in a very specific way. He has a set plan-- and he works it very effectively. If we look thoughtfully, I believe we will see his wicked plans at work all around us. His first tactic is to steal. What would he like to steal? Anything and everything that will lead you to Jesus--to Gods love. Satan steals love from people. If we will open our eyes we will see it everywhere around us. Broken families, abuse, hatred, cruelty, murder. The Enemy would like us to think that there is no love in the world. He would like to steal from us even the ability to love and be loved. There are so many hurting people in the world. So many who don't understand how to give or receive love. The devil will make you feel worthless as a human being-- undeserving of love--incapable of receiving love. Why? For one reason--to separate us from God--after all, "God is love..." "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." (1John 4: "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him."(1John 4:16) If the devil can incapacitate someone's love-- they won't be able to know God...."He that loveth not knoweth not God;" We can't know God unless we know and believe love--so if Satan can steal our love--or our ability to feel love, we won't be able to receive God, since God is love. The devil sets up abuse in our lives--he sets up pain, loneliness, rejection, abandonment. He has a multitude of ways that he will abuse us--but all with one goal in mind--to separate us from our ability to love and receive love--and therefore receive God. Every one of us has a broken heart. But there is someone who came to heal the broken hearted! To show us a greater love..... "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13) "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1John 4:9-10) Jesus is the manifestation of God's love. He is the way to be healed. Jesus can heal our heart-- restore our love. Jesus can give us back everything the devil has stolen. Listen. The biggest lie that the devil will tell you is that you suffered alone. This is not true! No matter where you were, no matter what happened to you. No matter how difficult things were. No matter how painful or lonely it was. No matter how great the abuse, the abandonment, the fear, or the violence was. No matter...... YOU WERE NOT ALONE! Jesus was with you! He stood with you, He suffered with you! He was touched with the feeling of your difficulties..the feeling--He knows what you went through because He felt it Himself--for you and with you.... "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15) He was in all points tempted like as we are...The Greek word in this instance is one of the few times in scripture where the word all literally means to all people individually--that means everyone! Jesus is touched with the feelings of all the difficulties of all people-- individually!! This means you! He was there specifically for you and with you at every place where you were hurt. He saw it-- He felt it--He cried for His creation--But He took it to the cross for one reason--to heal it! Allow Jesus to restore your love--to restore your joy--to restore to you everything that the thief has stolen from you. Jesus loves you. 1 Like |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 10:05am On Apr 15, 2012 |
Now is the last days. Satan is hunting for souls, is agent are everywhere. They are in your family, they are in the church, they are in the market place, they are everywhere. Who are this people? They are the witchens are wizard. That saleth nation and family. Nahum 3:. I will open another thread about witches and wizard and your right later. But for now contribution are allowed on this one. Please comment everyone. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 12:13pm On Apr 15, 2012 |
Satan was cast out of Heaven, but he still has access to Heaven and is able to go and to accuse believers. This is illustrated in Job 1:6-12: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD." hes time has not come Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness 1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted [a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” 4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ [b]” 5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]” 7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ [d]” 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” 10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ [e]” 11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 4:39pm On Apr 15, 2012 |
I want us to look at some holes in your article but i wont be chanced today. I will be here all day from tomorrow till Friday. We can have fellowship together sir. I will ask you some questions and we will look into it together. Okay. Takia. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 5:57pm On Apr 15, 2012 |
Okay Goshen, let me know the holes. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 6:12pm On Apr 15, 2012 |
^^^ First, let start this way. I also believe there is a beginning before Gen 1:1 that was revealed to us in John 1:1. John revealed there was God in the very beginning before Gen 1:1 and with God, there was also the Word-God, Christ. Now, in Gen 1:2, there was darkness on the earth. My first question to you is, where did this darkness came from since this is the beginning of creation of earth? I also see from your article, that you use the "Complete Word Study" which Author of this material do you have? Jest curious, nothing to do with this thread anyway. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 8:40am On Apr 16, 2012 |
What you must know. Gen 1-1 is only the begginning of earth creation and heaven. There is not creation of satan or christ there. It was only man. That was why i stated that the spirit world first exist. Where God created his angel. Angels was created long ago before earth creation or man. Satan was in the gerden when man was created in day 6. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 12:33pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
You have not answered my question. I believe and agree with you that genesis 1:1 is only the beginning of creation of heavenS (plural), not heaven,and earth. We both agree on that. We also agree that Angels, Christ, and hosts of others was in the invisible realm, which you called the spirit realm. Ok. Now back to my first question, in genesis 1:2, there was a darkness on earth right? Where did that darkness came from is my first question. Let's start to close the holes in your article. We are both learning,ok. I also asked you which word study series do you use? See my question from my previous post before this post. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 12:48pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
You are asking a misterious question. Anything that exist before the creation, is God, He was everything that was after, all thing started from God, you see God is hiden many things from man, you don't need them, from my article above there is nothing relating to your question. And again i ve been studing hard about this beginning thing. I ve studed many christian article |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 1:09pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okay bro Joel, Do I take it that you don't know the answer to my question? Then I can proceed to tell you and we can then start to look at some of the holes in your article. Please, don't misunderstand me sir, am not condemning your articles, it's fine but just that it has some holes and we can look at it together. Like you said, you have being studying the beginning for some time now. Maybe God is bring you in contact with people to share more light to your study. We can have fellowship together in studying the word,okay. You are not alone sir. Also, I don't know if you have much time today? I will be online all day today except I take a break to do some other things. Let me know if you will have enough time today for this discussion. Thank you. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 1:17pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Yes, i'll be. Let me know the holes. We are still learning. Any body that tells you he know accurately the creation is a big lier. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 1:34pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okay. We don't have issue with pre-existence to Gen 1:1 as we see from scriptures the things that pre-exist Gen 1:1. Gen 1:1 says, "In the beginning, God created the heavenS and the earth" This is an opening statement by Moses. It's like an introduction or prologue to a writing. From Gen 1:2 starts the breakdown to how the heavens and earth was created. Now, first question here is, Heaven is in plural, as in heavens. How many heavens were created here? Do you have answers to these? When we understand this, then verse two will be easier. Do you know how many heavens was it? |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 2:45pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
First of all what do you know about the word heaven? Check ur dictionary. Heaven is up. The sky which has no ending. The sun, moon, stars and planets are heavenly bodies |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 2:53pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Its only religious believe that there is a fine and beautiful gerden up there where God live. So in the real sense the heavens are the skies. In my Good News Bible says, in the beginning God created the universe. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 2:58pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Well, I think you are making this discussion going round. You might be making this discussion/fellowship boring as well. Okay, What is your understanding of heaven? You cannot just say the heaven is up. I'm trying to show you something here. 2. How many heavens are there created in Gen 1:1? 3 Is the heaven mentioned in Gen 1:1 plural or singular? Back your answers with scriptures please. And also, you said you've got time today. You have to stay on board, checking every 5-10minutes at interval because am gonna be replying you immediately. That way, our discussion can go smoothly. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 3:03pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Joel.:look what i said there. The heavens are the universe. Ur problem is the real translation. Check other bible. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 3:12pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Still the same point. I think i might have to back out of this. You are still not getting my point. There is something i want to show you but you are missing it. Okay, let accept the Good News translations says, "Universe" What does the universe entails? Again, what translation are you using? |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 3:24pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
What are you trying to point out? How u talking about the spiritual religous believe heaven? I ve told u what u need to know. Without the heavens there wont ve been the up which consist of the sun, moon, stars and all that. That is the heavens in Gen 1-1. Heavens and earth is like up and down. The plural S sigh there is that heavenly bodies. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 3:40pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okay. You are simply not getting my point. You think am religious? You are probably missing on my person which you have no idea about. Okay, let me ask these two final question and that will decide if we will continue or not,okay. 1. The heaven in Gen 1:1, is it plural or singular? which one do you believe it is? 2. The darkness in Gen 1:2, where did it come from? |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 4:00pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
chech this link for other bible translation. bible.cc/genesis/1-1.htm there is other scripture that point out three heavens. But i tell you its spiritual. Because there is also kingdoms in river, sea and ocean. This this are not physical you cannot find God up there as its said the sky has no ending. Darkness? I told you that anything before creationg is not reveal in the bible. So you leave that to God |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 4:14pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Joel.: First I have that bible translation you gave me and even more. Second, something inside me tells me you still need to do some more studies about Genesis 1:1-2 only and maybe you will get what am trying to point you to. Am not being rude sir, just a suggestion. I asked you about darkness in Gen 1:2, your answer is highlighted in RED above. But that verse is NOT heaven. That verse is on earth here at creation. Look at it below: The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. nkjv Can you see what am pointing you to? This is just one of the holes in your article we are trying to deal with. I still have many holes to let you see from the articles but we are still struggling with just this one. So, this is not heaven, this is earth here in creation. Now, again, can you explain where that darkness (on earth) came from? This is NOT heaven sir. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 4:30pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
My friend ur questions are irrelevant. Ok i'm learning from you where did the darkness came from? And what are the heavens |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Goshen360(m): 5:10pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Joel.: lol. I call you a brother but you call me "my friend" and say my questions are irrelevant? That's kind of weird. Anyway, let me point to you that am not an unbeliever neither am i an Atheist, okay. Am a born again believer. And what makes you think my questions are irrelevant? Because am putting your teachings/article under scrutiny? lol. You have no idea what i want us to make out of this. At the end, you will thank me and be my best friend on this session,okay. Joel.: Now you are talking. I will answer one of these two questions and leave you to make simply research of the heavens created here and when you come back, we will continue. I have to go do other things for today,okay. Now thar darkness in Genesis 1:2 is simply NOT any kind of spiritual darkness but physical. I am not saying this from my head. You need to use scriptures to explain scriptures and let the bible interpret itself. Look at this verse and God himself was speaking about the beginning in Genesis here: Job 38:4-9 nkjv "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell [Me], if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? "Or [who] shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth [and] issued from the womb; When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band" So here in these verse above, we see that in the creation of the earth, the darkness came as a result of the clouds that covered the earth from heaven (the invisible you are talking about). So, we KNOW that when God created the earth it was dark because it was covered with clouds. I can give you the picture or my imagination of how i saw it happened in the beginning but i don't have much time again for today. Maybe we continue tomorrow, God willing. Then for the heavens. There are 3 heavens all together in the bible. 1. The Invisible, from where God exist and invisible to man's physical eyes which is what you are talking about and I told you I agree. This is the same invisible that John showed us as revelation in John 1:1 and also, check Colossians 1:15-17 2. The firmament is also called heaven read the whole of Gen 1:8. This heaven is the sky, the atmosphere, our immediate cloud/sky around the earth. snow and rain also consist from this heaven by the power of God. 3. The Outer Space or Starry heaven where the sun, moon and stars are located and fixed. Gen 1:14-19. So when Gen 1:1 says, God created the heavenS and earth. That heavens there are TWO, created from the invisible heaven where God dwells that is not mentioned in Gen 1 creation account but was mentioned in John 1:1-2 and also in Colossians 1:15-17 and other places in the scriptures. I will rest here for today. We will continue tomorrow and continue to look at the holes I found out in your article also. I will wait for you today in the next 10 - 20 minutes in case you have question from what i just said now. Thank you. |
Re: Spiritual Works And Laws Expose Discussion. by Joel3(m): 6:02pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
My brother. I agree with you. But with what you explain and with what i said there is no deferent or a thing to argue about. And i tell you there is no hole in my article. I also believed that you have learn many things from this my thread. |
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