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Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 8:08pm On Apr 20, 2012 |
The premise is simple- no long thing "if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God. now if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself" This premise is open for test, and if it fails not, then we can conclude that God exists. 1 Like |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by Ptolomeus(m): 9:57pm On Apr 20, 2012 |
Where it is said that God is self-created? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 10:42pm On Apr 20, 2012 |
Ptolomeus: Where it is said that God is self-created?can u explain ur comment? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by unphilaz(m): 1:58am On Apr 21, 2012 |
snthesis: The premise is simple- no long thingthis is it, thanks sir for bringing it out. Having a 'general ask your questions' helps the atheist sound 'intelligent'. But wit this premise, no scripture for em to use to defy their Creator. Atheist, over to you. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by unphilaz(m): 2:08am On Apr 21, 2012 |
maybe this Funny equation might help em get the drift! A is creature, => means produce, therefore Premise 1 God => A since (A not => A) OR Premise 2 (A = god) since A => A |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 9:14pm On Apr 21, 2012 |
pretty quiet in here |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by Kay17: 11:20pm On Apr 21, 2012 |
Self cause is illogical. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by LogicMind: 12:20am On Apr 22, 2012 |
snthesis: here we go again. you are meant to answer the questions, not ask another one. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by LogicMind: 12:21am On Apr 22, 2012 |
snthesis: pretty quiet in here because you are not sincere. it is futile to reason with you. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 8:29am On Apr 22, 2012 |
Kay 17: Self cause is illogical.what makes it illogical |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 8:31am On Apr 22, 2012 |
Logic Mind:in other to answer the said question, i need it to be further explained- no be everyone get IQ of 1000000 |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 8:31am On Apr 22, 2012 |
Logic Mind:how have i been insincere? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by Kay17: 8:37am On Apr 22, 2012 |
@sthnesis Saying an effect triggers a cause |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by thehomer: 8:42am On Apr 22, 2012 |
snthesis: The premise is simple- no long thing So you're saying God was self created? What does this even mean? Do you understand what people mean when they use the word "create"? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by ea7(m): 9:11am On Apr 22, 2012 |
5. snthesis(m): Quote Post pretty quiet in here maybe because we dont like arguing with broken records. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 11:01am On Apr 22, 2012 |
no more diversions!!!! the thread is simple - to test a premise. it is either you agree with the stated premise and provide a basis in support of your position or you disagree with the premise and provide a basis in support of your position we are supposedly intelligent ppl, lets act it 1 Like |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by LogicMind: 11:38am On Apr 22, 2012 |
i come from the perspective that god is not thus mooting your premises and assumptions. if there is a god, where is he? what is his raison d'etre? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 5:22pm On Apr 22, 2012 |
Logic Mind: i come from the perspective that god is not thus mooting your premises and assumptions.u come again, trying to hide ur lack of comprehension with big big grammar. its either you agree with the premise or not, and state your reasons for your stance, how difficult is that |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by Nobody: 5:34pm On Apr 22, 2012 |
@snthesis it looks atheists here have grown cold feet in deciding which premise to take a stand on. Please are you debating this on any forum apart from nairaland. Post a link, i did like to follow you on it. And its better than that generalization. Thanks for making me think. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by Kay17: 6:17pm On Apr 22, 2012 |
hisblud: @snthesis it looks atheists here have grown cold feet in deciding which premise to take a stand on. Please are you debating this on any forum apart from nairaland. Post a link, i did like to follow you on it. And its better than that generalization. Thanks for making me think. The premise don't make any fucking sense. For if God is self caused that contradicts logic as a result can't exist! Without a cause, there can't be an effect in the first place, thus where cometh effect despite an absent cause. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by LogicMind: 7:30pm On Apr 22, 2012 |
snthesis: The premise is simple- no long thing see here snthesis the result of your premise when applied logically. chicken made egg so chicken is god of egg egg made chicken so egg is god of chicken chicken = god egg = god god = god thus chicken does not exist egg does not exist all is god and god is all try harder. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by Nobody: 10:04pm On Apr 22, 2012 |
Now the truck has started to roll snthesis: no more diversions!!!! Kay 17: Now kay, which of the premises snthesis stated does not make sense? A or B? A.if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God. B. if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself" which? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 12:50pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
hisblud: @snthesis it looks atheists here have grown cold feet in deciding which premise to take a stand on. Please are you debating this on any forum apart from nairaland. Post a link, i did like to follow you on it. And its better than that generalization. Thanks for making me think.i am not debating it on any other forum, but feel free to post it in any forum of ur choice, and you could send me a link. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 9:30am On May 07, 2012 |
interesting!!! no reasonable counter premise!!! conclusion Atheist know God exist they only choose not to acknowledge His existence |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by LogicMind: 10:18am On May 07, 2012 |
interesting!!! no reasonable premise!!! conclusion Theists know God does not exist they only choose not to acknowledge His non-existence |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by AlvinPlantinga: 10:38am On May 07, 2012 |
Rewording the Premises. The Universe either: 1.Always existed or 2.Came into existence. Since 1 is demonstrably false both scientifically ( Red shift , cosmic microwave bacground radiation) and philosophically ( impossibility of an infinite regress of events and the contingent nature of matter, then it follows that 2 is the only option. If the Universe came into existence, then did it cause itself to come into existence or something caused it to come into existence? It does not make sense to say the Universe caused itself to come into existence since it implies, that the Universe existed before it existed.For something to cause anything, it has to exist in the first place.It defies all logic. You could say that a multiverse could have brought our universe into existence.but this does not solve our problem.We could as wel ask, did the Multiverse cause itself to exist? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by LogicMind: 10:53am On May 07, 2012 |
Rewording the Premises. The Egg either: 1.Always existed or 2.Came into existence. Since 1 is demonstrably false both scientifically ( eggs rot if unfetilized after a few weeks) and philosophically ( eggs always get laid by some animal, then it follows that 2 is the only option. If the egg came into existence, then did it cause itself to come into existence or something caused it to come into existence? It does not make sense to say the egg caused itself to come into existence since it implies, that the egg existed before it existed.For something to cause anything, it has to exist in the first place.It defies all logic. You could say that a chicken could have brought our egg into existence.but this does not solve our problem.We could as wel ask, did the chicken cause itself to exist? |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by AlvinPlantinga: 11:16am On May 07, 2012 |
Logic Mind: Rewording the Premises. You do realise you are not doing yourself any favours and you are actually supporting the argument? the egg and the universe share the properties of finitude and contigency. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by LogicMind: 2:51pm On May 07, 2012 |
AlvinPlantinga: yes, because the argument proves the inexistence of god. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 3:30pm On May 07, 2012 |
Logic Mind:actually ur argument proves the existence of God Logic Mind: The Egg either: |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by snthesis(m): 3:40pm On May 07, 2012 |
AlvinPlantinga:now that your premise has been broken down to sumtin we d "lay" ppl can relate with i.e egg and chicken. it brings to fore that an external force is required to create an object- that external force is God to the created object. in simple terms if a creature/object/specie had no command of its coming into existence it implies succintly that the creature/object/specie has a Maker, a God. |
Re: Signature Of The Divine- "The God Premise" by Kay17: 4:40pm On May 07, 2012 |
snthesis: With your principle in mind, and on the object God, what external force created him? |
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