andrewbaba44:


Same thing we are telling him now is what he is telling the other guy

I don’t know what changed ,even pele himself is confused about the amount of goals he scored by editing it everytime ,man was class but scored so many un official goals added to official goals

I don’t know what changed ,ibime might just be the biggest amala turner here

Expert17:


Lol, don't waste your time.

Messi isn't the GOAT because he won the World cup late BUT Pele that played all his club career in the farmers league is the GOAT.

Arizoner:
Messi has played in two farmers league and scored tons of goals. Yet in your myopic mind he's still a goat.

OhBritannia:
I wonder why you think your opinion of Messi matters when 99.9% of people in nairaland don't even know about you or who ibime is.
All your hate ramblings ends on Chelsea thread in sport sessions only.

If FIFA, Barack Obama, Americans, Europeans, north and south Americans and Asians.

If china can openly celebrate Lionel Messi when he won the world cup by lightning Their city with the huge billboards of Lionel Messi, if India, even Bangladesh and many cities all over the world can do it.
If respected sports pundits and sports channels all over the world can recognize Lionel Messi as the GOAT.

If legends from other sports like basketball, tennis, golf, rugby and even many more.

If musicians like drake, Kanye west and many legendary celebs can recognize Messi as the GOAT.
If the famous super bowl in America can recognize Lionel Messi as the GOAT,

Then ibime i am sorry, your opinion of Messi is as useless as the farts from my ass Which is fact.

It's the people arguing with you that i blame, They have enough data to waste, i rather use my data to watch the sex tape of Kim Kardashian than to waste it on arguing what has already been written in the stars.

Ballzproblem2:
pipe keeper, haven't kept clean sheet for long

forgiveness:


When does celebrating him winning world cup tantamount to being adjourned the goat?

Continue to lie to yourself.

Expert17:


Lol, don't waste your time.

Messi isn't the GOAT because he won the World cup late BUT Pele that played all his club career in the farmers league is the GOAT.

Ballzproblem2:
new look at Stamford bridge,what is boehly cooking,I swear this man they sweet me everyday and day , people said I'm gassed for nothing when he took over,by the time he is done with us .....

Ibime:


A farmers league guy that dominated all International competition while Alexis Sanchez was bullying your GOAT for decades in COPA

Debroslink:


I don't care if Pele won golden ball and golden Boot at COPA. The main point is that he lost and couldn't add COPA to his CV.

Ballzproblem2:
pipe keeper, haven't kept clean sheet for long

Expert17:
That was how the new Pele - Neymar was stat-padding against Farmers in Brazil league. @ age 30 we are still waiting for his 1st Ballon d'Or

Debroslink:


I don't care if Pele won golden ball and golden Boot at COPA. The main point is that he lost and couldn't add COPA to his CV. Even when Messi lost to Chile, he still won the golden ball.

Ronaldo has 5 UCL against Messi's 4,yet no one in his right senses can place Ronaldo above Messi anymore. Or can you place Cafu above Messi because he has 2 WCs?

At the end of the day, pair Pele and Messi's career together, Pele will dwarf over Messi.

Messi @ 35, WC title with best player. Still playing top level football.
Pele @ 35, playing retirement package soccer in US.

Ibime:


Nah, the main point is Messi flopped in too many International tournaments. Pele didn't flop in a single one. He was more dominant

Expert17:
*Lionel Messi ranks joint-fourth all-time for World Cup goals, level with Just Fontaine (13) and behind only Gerd Muller (14), Ronaldo (15) and Miroslav Klose (16).

* Lionel Messi is the only player ever to score in all five rounds of the World Cup (group stage, last 16, quarter-final, semi-final, final).

* Lionel Messi has made the most all-time World Cup assists, level with Pele (.

* Lionel Messi is the only player to assist goals at four and five different World Cup tournaments.

* Lionel Messi ranks first all-time for World Cup goal contributions (21).

* Lionel Messi has won the most matches in the World Cup as a player, level with Miroslav Klose (19).

* Lionel Messi has scored in the most different World Cup matches, level with Miroslav Klose (11).

* Lionel Messi is the only player to ever win two World Cup Golden Balls.

* Lionel Messi is the oldest player to win the World Cup Golden Ball (35 years, 178 days).

* Lionel Messi holds the record for the longest period between a player’s first and most recent World Cup goals (16 years and 183 days).

* Lionel Messi is the only player to score a World Cup goal in his teens, 20s and 30s.

* Lionel Messi has won the most man of the match awards at World Cups with 11, ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo (7) and Arjen Robben (6). He also has the most man of the match awards at one tournament (5 in 2022).

* Lionel Messi is one of only six players to appear at five different World Cup tournaments – Antonio Carbajal, Lothar Matthaus, Rafael Marquez, Cristiano Ronaldo and Andres Guardado are the others.

* Lionel Messi is the only player in World Cup history – at least since such records began in 1966 – to score and assist a goal in four separate matches.

* Lionel Messi is the youngest and oldest player in World Cup history to score and assist a goal in the same match.

* Lionel Messi is the youngest player to play for, score for and captain Argentina at a World Cup.

* Lionel Messi is the all-time top-scoring male South American in international fixtures (98 goals)

Dominating Mr. Vasco Da Farmer everywhere.....E Choke

Ibime:


I asked Ohbrittania to pull up a quote from me showing I said WC makes Messi the GOAT, he started rambling about Kanye and Kim Kardashian and his problems with limited data. I leave him to his own devices

Arizoner:
Messi has played in two farmers league and scored tons of goals. Yet in your myopic mind he's still a goat.

ThierryJay:


Nah this capping is too much.

Messi won best player award in 2 Copas (2015 and 2021). He actually won a third in 2016 (when he scored 6 goals) but he rejected it and it was given to Sanchez.

Best player in 2 World cups which even Pele could not achieve.

Best player in Olympic 2008.

So how would you objectively call a six-time international tournament best player a "flop in too many international tournaments" I guess in your dictionary, Mbappe flopped as well in this World Cup just because he didnt win.

Instead of you to own up to your own prior admissions about the quality of Pele's goal statistics back in 2010 you are trying to save face with some disjointed clarifications when confronted with your about-turn like Piers Morgan. Who says you could not have hopped on the Pendu train sometimes after 2011 to warrant your subsequent comments? At least Piers was honest enough to admit that.

Ibime:


Nothing has changed. There is nothing wrong with questioning Pele rubbing his 1,000 goals in the young man's face, as the quality of opponents could be questionable, but that has never changed my criteria for GOAT status. Same year I said Messi can join Pele IF he keeps this up, showing Pele and Maradona have always been my Gods. Notice the year was 2010 and I never mentioned Ronaldo, so this is not a case of a repentant Penduist



And after Messi failed repeatedly to match Peles standards on the international stage, I told Debroslink 4 years ago that a World cup win can no longer take Messi above Pele, but he can still join the triumvirate.

The reason is simple - at this late stage of his career, he cannot claim the undisputed GOAT because he did not establish the dominance over his peers that Pele did. Messi went to countless COPAs and World Cups and did not shine. Pele shined and dominated every single international tournament he touched barring injury. He went to 4 World Cups, beasted two, was kicked out the other two by hatchet men. He went to one COPA America, won the Golden boot and Golden ball, went to 3 Intercontinental cups, won the golden boot in all, absolutely beasted them with 9.goals. There is not a single international tournament he did not establish absolute dominance over his peers unlike Messi who flopped continuously and was bullied continuously by Alexis Sanchez in COPA, Zidane, Xavi, Sneijder, Forlan, Robben and co in WC, and kept going for 16 years in order to finally put his name on the trophy. That's my argument for Pele - his dominance over his peers. Any of the triumvirate can make their claim to be the GOAT but Pele established the most dominance over his peers among the three

hensben:
Ibime go change mouth in the future. He is a nostalgia man so can’t still believe messi is now rated above pele.

andrewbaba44:


No offense ,if you call Laliga a farmers league then you need to have your brain checked

A league that dominated Europe through Messi time there is what you call a farmers league ?

What the fvck is wrong with you epl fan boys that doesn’t know beyond the epl

Bimffo:


At least Boehly won't be shouting "Good food, Great Meal" all over Europe, as he did in Barcelona.

He will leave people that knows what they are doing to do their job.

Bimffo:


But they are using the same logic with you. If you all can call Brazilian league of PELE'S time farmers league, why can't we claim La Liga is farmers league.

And by the way a team from the brazilian league taught a lot of European top teams lesson, including the european champion of that time, and PELE plays for the team.

FBS:

Did he actually say that? Wahala dey o. lol

andrewbaba44:


It’s different oga

Laliga has been ranked the best league in the world till recently they dropped to second

So what’s your point ?

raumdeuter:
This description of football in Pele days is accurate

ThierryJay:


Nah this capping is too much.

Messi won best player award in 2 Copas (2015 and 2021). He actually won a third in 2016 (when he scored 6 goals) but he rejected it and it was given to Sanchez.

Best player in 2 World cups which even Pele could not achieve.

Best player in Olympic 2008.

So how would you objectively call a six-time international tournament best player a "flop in too many international tournaments" I guess in your dictionary, Mbappe flopped as well in this World Cup just because he didnt win.

Instead of you to own up to your own prior admissions about the quality of Pele's goal statistics back in 2010 you are trying to save face with some disjointed clarifications when confronted with your about-turn like Piers Morgan. Who says you could not have hopped on the Pendu train sometimes after 2011 to warrant your subsequent comments? At least Piers was honest enough to admit that.

Expert17:
That was how the new Pele - Neymar was stat-padding against Farmers in Brazil league. @ age 30 we are still waiting for his 1st Ballon d'Or