raumdeuter:

So we should forget that the Galacticos Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo Carlos were getting old (All over 30yrs) yet it was Makelele that made them not to win when he left

They were winning before he came, So he couldnt have been the reason they won an additional one. The only CL final they won sef, he was subbed out

so u r basically saying there won't have been a difference if he had stayed considering they didn't win ANY TROPHY FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS
also de liam was in his late 20s there was Owen and Beckham and callbacks at thirty can still be elite and there was Raul, casillas

coogar:

makelele won in madrid....he didn't tell terry to slip like a bïtch & he certainly wasn't responsible for anelka missing his pen.

makelele played in a world cup final for france. did sosa ever play in a world cup final for portugal?

you are a billy-goat!

Sousa won in 2 different clubs in consecutive years.

Left the defending champions went to Dortmund and made them Champion. Thats a boss right there. Not a passenger like Claude. No wonder the club president pawned him out like a used Nokia 3310

Did I tell you that you are a cuuumm bucket?

coogar:

no, i am saying madrid would have won more in the 2000s had makelele stayed. he was already familiar with his madrid team-mates with an excellent chemistry. bringing chelsea into the fray is a redudant argument.

What proof do you have that Madrid would have more had he stayed? Or isn't this the same Maka that won no CL trophy before or after he left madrid?

coogar:
no, they wouldn't have!
they had no engine. zidane described makelele as the engine of the team. hierro said claude was their best player if you disregard the statistics. they know him better than you do, i would rather listen to them than listen to you & dayo.
how many world cup finals did he reach with portugal? how many european championships did he win? paolo who? once again - you are comparing a general practitioner to a brain surgeon.

Which Engine? Engine that could do more than operate in a 5m area of the pitch not so? Ofcourse they were his ex teammates and in Zizou's case still a team mate for the National team so was bound to say that. Imagine Hierro saying we should disregard stats? What next?

How many titles did Maka win as a starter for France?

Paolo Sousa was viewed as the better player till the makalele hype went into overdrive.

coogar:
that's because the others who would have said so can't speak english - and you wouldn't understand whatever it was they musta said about makelele. the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.
there's a difference between a specialist and a general purpose individual. the specialist is 100% focused on a particular role & he does it to death. the general purpose dude has a general idea over everything but he can never be as good in the role the specialist is trained to do.
this is why claude is the greatest!

Ofcourse that was the reason nah. Nothing to do with English journalist hyping up a player .

Specialist in what exactly? Staying in one spot all match long? Abi what exactly did He do that others have not only done but done it much better before?

Maybe the Greatest in Chelsea FC history sha.

TheCarefreeOne: so u r basically saying there won't have been a difference if he had stayed considering they didn't win ANY TROPHY FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS
also de liam was in his late 20s there was Owen and Beckham and callbacks at thirty can still be elite and there was Raul, casillas

What made madrid tick between 1998 and 2002 are many and makelele is the least of them. Often time he was just a passenger on the field which would explain why Del Bosque yanked him off the field in the lone CL finals he has claims to

chic2pimp:

What proof do you have that Madrid would have more had he stayed? Or isn't this the same Maka that won no CL trophy before or after he left madrid? .

For the French national Team, the moment Deschamps retired and they put plonkers like the 2 left legged Congolese in DM that was when they started to falter

Makelele ko, KASABUBU ni

Shawcross too na specialist, He invented the art of hacking opponent

chic2pimp:

What proof do you have that Madrid would have more had he stayed? Or isn't this the same Maka that won no CL trophy before or after he left madrid?

Winning trophies is not the only yardstick of success, Chelsea became relatively more competitive in europe than Madrid. Appearing in more semis/advanced stages for example. Madrid couldnt get beyond the round of 16 for 7-8 straight seasons if i recall correctly. It wasn't all down to Makelele to be sure, but his influence was undeniably felt.

raumdeuter:

What made madrid tick between 1998 and 2002 are many and makelele is the least of them. Often time he was just a passenger on the field which would explain why Del Bosque yanked him off the field in the lone CL finals he has claims to

So you mean the Engine of the team, the man who made them tick, the man without whom they would not have won the title was taken off the pitch at a time when Leverkusen were pressing hard for the equaliser? INCREDIBLE!

raumdeuter:
Sousa won in 2 different clubs in consecutive years.

Left the defending champions went to Dortmund and made them Champion. Thats a boss right there. Not a passenger like Claude. No wonder the club president pawned him out like a used Nokia 3310

Did I tell you that you are a cumm bucket?

what did sosa win for portugal? how come he never took portugal to any final? makelele was relevant for club & country.

•final for madrid
•final for chelsea
•final for france

wetin sosa achieve for country? you mean your boss did nothing for his country? nothing at all? you are as useless as sosa was for portugal.

chic2pimp:
What proof do you have that Madrid would have more had he stayed? Or isn't this the same Maka that won no CL trophy before or after he left madrid?

he would have carried on winning for them. he was the missing link. madrid already had the attacking platform but none of the galacticos was willing to track back & do the dirty work. makelele was the man for the dirty job & they sold him.

Which Engine? Engine that could do more than operate in a 5m area of the pitch not so? Ofcourse they were his ex teammates and in Zizou's case still a team mate for the National team so was bound to say that. Imagine Hierro saying we should disregard stats? What next?

i remember a troglodyte named dayokanu saying the same about busquets in 2010 until busquets destroyed schweinsteiger & khedira in south africa. winning possession & retaining it is the most vital part in football.

How many titles did Maka win as a starter for France?
Paolo Sousa was viewed as the better player till the makalele hype went into overdrive.
Ofcourse that was the reason nah. Nothing to do with English journalist hyping up a player .

so are we comparing france to madrid now? or what's the comparison for?

Specialist in what exactly? Staying in one spot all match long? Abi what exactly did He do that others have not only done but done it much better before? Maybe the Greatest in Chelsea FC history sha.

specialist in tackling. makelele would tackle an aircraft and win the ball cleanly. he's too good! better than all these goats you have around these days......especially those ones in bayern lying to themselves they are DM.

Horayce:
Winning trophies is not the only yardstick of success, Chelsea became relatively more competitive in europe than Madrid. Appearing in more semis/advanced stages for example. Madrid couldnt get beyond the round of 16 for 7-8 straight seasons if i recall correctly. It wasn't all down to Makelele to be sure, but his influence was undeniably felt.

Assuming Makelele had stayed back in Madrid, Would that have stopped Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Raul, carlos Hierro they main components of Madrid from declining

Madrid declined because their key Galacticos were getting old and injured often
Their captain and leader Hierro retired
Perez pursued a "Zidanes and Pavons" policy which left them weak at the back
They started buying useless players from the English league (Beckham, Owen, Gravesen Woodgate etc)

raumdeuter:
Assuming Makelele had stayed back in Madrid, Would that have stopped Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Raul, carlos Hierro they main components of Madrid from declining

so zidane would have declined in 2004? the same zidane that later went to the world cup in 06 & shat on every team that stood his way?

Madrid declined because their key Galacticos were getting old and injured often
Their captain and leader Hierro retired
Perez pursued a "Zidanes and Pavons" policy which left them weak at the back
They started buying useless players from the English league (Beckham, Owen, Gravesen Woodgate etc)

but mcmanaman that won 2 CL titles for madrid was a german, wasn't he?

Horayce:
Winning trophies is not the only yardstick of success, Chelsea became relatively more competitive in europe than Madrid. Appearing in more semis/advanced stages for example. Madrid couldnt get beyond the round of 16 for 7-8 straight seasons if i recall correctly. It wasn't all down to Makelele to be sure, but his influence was undeniably felt.

Well for a Big club like Madrid winning trophies is the Main yardstick. Madrid fans and hierarchy alike could care less about the amount of CL semis they have played in any given period of time. Anything short of the title is seen as a failure. Madrid's failures had nothing to do with Makalele abeg. Other factors like Perez's crazy transfer policy and firing Del Bosque after he had delivered two CL trophies in 3 years are to be blamed

coogar:
he would have carried on winning for them. he was the missing link. madrid already had the attacking platform but none of the galacticos was willing to track back & do the dirty work. makelele was the man for the dirty job & they sold him.

what proof do you have that they would have won after all Makaleke did not win another one till he retired? Or why did they not win another one in his 2 other seasons?...... The missing link was Del Bosque not Makalele abeg.

coogar:
i remember a troglodyte named dayokanu saying the same about busquets in 2010 until busquets destroyed schweinsteiger & khedira in south africa. winning possession & retaining it is the most vital part in football.
so are we comparing france to madrid now? or what's the comparison for?

Lest we forget Sergio for all his greatness had XavIniesta who were pretty much raping all and sundry. Also Sergio has more to his game than Claude ever had. He actually could and does deliver defence splitting passes

Why Are we comparing France to Portugal and it is generally acknowledged that the French had the much better team? Even still at that they both won nada for their respective countries.

coogar:
specialist in tackling. makelele would tackle an aircraft and win the ball cleanly. he's too good! better than all these goats you have around these days......especially those ones in bayern lying to themselves they are DM.

So tackling is his speciality? Okay o

I think we should leave out Bastian(others can be included) from this discourse.

Katsumoto:

That Makelele was limited in skillset is an issue for Makelele; it shouldn't remove from others who can actually join attack from time to time. It is like saying that a Tahoe is better than a Mercedes GL because it can go from point A to B and is not bothered by all the expensive gizmos in the GL. Makelele was very good at breaking up play but he was very limited.

The only think I hate more than a dumb ninja is a pseudo intellectual.

Makelele limited in skillset? I guess thís coming from the same guy who rates Gerrard as a midfield God.

Makelele was extremely gifted in skillset. A brilliant passer of the ball, a game controller from deep and the only ninja who does the 'Kanu drag' regularly in midfield.

A pseudo intellectual would not remember how Makelele was an attacking midfielder in his younger years and was one of the gifted attacking midfielders in the Champions league in that position, taking Nantes to the UCL semifinal in 1996. His name was ringing like Seedorf and co back then when you talk of attacking midfielders. That was when he used to have hightop haircut.

We were watching thís shít whilst these pseudo intellectuals were reading Okeke physics.

chic2pimp:

Kats you dey read my post ni? . Pretty much what i wrote really.

I wonder who we will blame for Bayern's failure to win the CL from 01 till 2013 or Milan failing to win it from 94 til 03 or liverpool's barren period from 84 till 05?

If we weren't banned for 5 years from European competition, the drought wouldn't have been that long. It would have been from 1990 to 2004.

Now Makelele has this to say to you people..




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63WojjZy7QE

Makelele when he was an attacking midfielder at Nantes. Limited indeed!

Check out his 'Kanu drag' at 2:20. Same skill he used to use all the time in defensive midfield.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAhLl1KCLT4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The sound of quiet. Hehehe. The moment when folks realise oops! Makalele wasn't limited. Ibime brings sanity to the board.


Guapo you surprise me. Dey join these actors dey claim Makalele was limited. I don't claim to have seen footage of Makalele in Nantes but definitely saw enough of him at Real and Chelsea to laugh at the last 3 pages. Maka limited? Never seen so much garbage spewed with only two words.

nateevs: The sound of quiet. Hehehe. The moment when folks realise oops! Makalele wasn't limited. Ibime brings sanity to the board.

Assin Ehn!!!

PietroRico:

Thiago silva, sergio ramos, chiellini, vidic, hummels, kompany and even cahil.>>>Terry
There are a lot more who would do better defensive jobs than Jt. to avoid too much controversy, I'll stop here.
His time has passed. Calling him world class is like calling vidic or puyol world class. [color=#990000][/color]

Schweini, yaya, vidal, khedira, bousquet, javi martinez >>>> matic.

...abeg m a madrid fan ooo....but Sergio Ramos is in no way better Dan JT..abeg...calm down wof ur trolling

coogar:

it's arguable - pedro is a very good player! he's better than your eden hazard.

lol! jesus navas is better than pedro yet he doesnt even have a thing on hazard in epl..

PietroRico: *exhales violently

So he'll now be the deep lying playmaker?
Cuz that's what pirlo does.

yes! do you know; deep lying=defensive and playmaker=midfielder make up DMF. they are not the aggressive/rugby type of DMF like roy keane and gattuso rather their game is more of tactics and techniques with passing skills..they hardly concede card but they are doing the job, displacing opponent's attack and makelele started this, thats why they call it 'the makelele role' shey u grab.

PietroRico: we'll manage the imbalance till january. Then a proper midfielder(strootman) will come in.

We'll kick buttts for fun as soon as he settles in(which shouldn't take long).

why cant you do it now since you have fellaini who you claim is better than matic..why wait for strootman huh

chic2pimp:

Wasn't the term the "Makalele Role" coined by the english press?

oga they call it the makelele role everywhere not only english press, get your facts right.

coogar:

others were central midfielders - they went forward & backward as they deemed fit. others were often caught out by the opposition for taking stüpid risks - makelele never crossed the halfway line. his reading of the game was excellent - he could tackle an elephant cos he knew the exact time to apply his foot & knock the ball away from the stride of his opponent.

stop belittling makelele....he was the best ever to play that role - a sitting midfielder.

bro tell them, they will never understand why they termed it 'the makerolelele ' , meanwhile,in terms of football knowledge, they are not wiser than these people that name the role after him.

chic2pimp:

Your simply making my point for me tbh. Journalists from other countries don't see it as Makalele's. Only the british ones do. Also not enough reason for people to call him the best DM ever(as i have seen on this thread already

lie! they call it 'the makelele role' worldwide, go figure.

coogar:

that's the problem of today's football fans - nearly everyone now is an addict of statistics. if a player isn't scoring x goals & making y assists then he's not good enough.

think about it - it took real madrid close to a billion pounds to win the champions league again after that mumu florentino perez said makelele had no special talents & sold him to chelsea.

your so-called "players willing go give more than what's required" were tried & tested for a period of 12 years. none of them was disciplined enough to babysit the defence like makelele did without getting carried away to add x goals & y assists.

if mikel had been playing in an era when accurate passes, positional discipline, tackling, crazy football skills had more weight than mere statistics, he would be one of the top 5 players in the world. however, with fans like you -rooney can play 1,000 poor passes and still win a MOTM as long as he scores 2 goals in the game.

modern football fans are idiöts!

bro you re too funny...a player will play poorly in a match but once he score a goal, he is motm according to these guys you are lecturing now.

nateevs: The sound of quiet. Hehehe. The moment when folks realise oops! Makalele wasn't limited. Ibime brings sanity to the board.

Guapo you surprise me. Dey join these actors dey claim Makalele was limited. I don't claim to have seen footage of Makalele in Nantes but definitely saw enough of him at Real and Chelsea to laugh at the last 3 pages. Maka limited? Never seen so much garbage spewed with only two words.

For a player that does no other thing than screen & babysit the backline, It was easy to opine he is limited.

He once struck a wonder of a goal against Spurs some years back, a game we eventually lost. I dont think he ever got close to an opposition box again till he retired.

If he possessed some other admirable skills, then it's a shame he didn't put them to good use hence I had to agree with the assertion that he was limited.

Mikel used to be this midfield schemer, he was all about creativity but Jose had those skillset limited when he had him shoehorned into the DM position - the once creative lad unfortunately lost his flair.

This could well be the case with the Claude Makalele I saw play for Chelsea - a player who used to be an all round midfielder.

raumdeuter:

Why did he win just 1 CL with the same Madrid galacticos in 3 seasons.

so a club that won 1 ucl in 3 years is a failure right? compare to one that won it for 12 years and spot the difference. during barca dominance, they didnt win it every year.

And Sawyer comes around!

chic2pimp:
If He was the reason why they never reached the high standard they set beforehand then why didn't He win the CL afterwards with chelsea?

Paulo Sousa as Dayo mentioned earlier has got more of a case than Makalele. Not only did He win the CL the very next season with Dortmund but also Juve are yet to taste CL sucess since he left them

bro you have a very low football knowledge no offence, chelsea just rise to stardom and you expect them to win ucl just like that...you think say ucl na moi moi . Sir alex ferguson spent 27 years at man united and won just 2 ucl says a lot about the tournament.

Bimfo:

Bro, if its about insults, You cant stand the heat..
And who the Fück are you that I cant quote U..

And about ur Redondo, I dont want to know him, but I will always say it, No 1 played the DM role better than Makelele.. He played the DM role neatly and exceptional, even the great Zidane testefied to it.. So what are U saying??

And Who said Makalele is not a deep-lying play maker?? Mtchewww.. U even got me pissed now..




Culled from Wikipedea

If u throw any stūpid insult at me again, I will wash U clean.. Trust me..

In short, Dont quote me again!

I'm so sure you believe anything quoted by a white man. I'm sure u also believe Mungo park discovered the source of river Niger, as if Africans were not living there before he came. So u believe Makelele is the best DM? No wonder he was ignored by France for good 6 years.

REDONDO (Makelele's master), Effenberg, Edgar
Davids, Albertini, were all better.

nateevs: The sound of quiet. Hehehe. The moment when folks realise oops! Makalele wasn't limited. Ibime brings sanity to the board.
Guapo you surprise me. Dey join these actors dey claim Makalele was limited. I don't claim to have seen footage of Makalele in Nantes but definitely saw enough of him at Real and Chelsea to laugh at the last 3 pages. Maka limited? Never seen so much garbage spewed with only two words.

The quality of the league matters. Why is it that players that score incredible goals in the championship can't replicate such goals in the premiership. Don't teams who win the Championship, move up to the Premiership, end up being relegated? Don't get me wrong, Nantes was a good team but shoe get size.

The french league is second tier in Europe. What did Makelele do in Spain and in England? and what was is consistency?
What are his stats in terms of goals, assists, key passes?

Isn't it ironic that a Chelsea supporter has to use footage from when Makelele played for Nantes to showcase his 'skills'? After Nantes he went to Marseille, Celta Vigo, Real Madrid and then Chelsea.