Katsumoto should have just respected himself and chilled...See as manyoo and chelsea fans collabo dey ganngbang am

afrodoc2:

It is misleading cos when Makelele was making all those runs in Nantes it was arguably the 2nd toughest league in Europe, so do not make it seem like he was playing against "otu oshi" players then.
I was just on the side line enjoying the debate anyway and i am not surprised that the NL tendency to twist the facts to win argument has shown its face.

First - I didn't restrict the time frame in my assertion. I gave overall stats for Champions League winners. So I don't quite get where the misleading came in. Or when I provided a list of winners, I should have provided the list of finalists, semi-finalists, qtr-finalists, 2nd rounders, etc?

Second - Only one French team won in the 90s and overall.

Third - How could the French league be second toughest when you consider the following winners

1. Italy - 3 -
2. Spain - 2
3. England - 1
4. Germany - 1
5. France - 1
6. Holland - 1
7. Yugoslavia - 1

If we start counting the number of semi-final participation by country, I doubt France would be second.

Katsumoto:

First - I didn't restrict the time frame in my assertion. I gave overall stats for Champions League winners. So I don't quite get where the misleading came in. Or when I provided a list of winners, I should have provided the list of finalists, semi-finalists, qtr-finalists, 2nd rounders, etc?

Second - Only one French team won in the 90s and overall.

Third - How could the French league be second toughest when you consider the following winners

1. Italy - 3 -
2. Spain - 2
3. England - 1
4. Germany - 1
5. France - 1
6. Holland - 1
7. Yugoslavia - 1

If we start counting the number of semi-final participation by country, I doubt France would be second.

I said arguably because of Spain. Italy was no 1 and Spain & France came next.
It is nice of you to add Man Utd and Madrid's title which were won when Makelele was already playing in La Liga.

WHEN MAKELELE WAS PLAYING IN THE FRENCH LEAGUE IT WAS ONE OF THE TOP 3 LEAGUES IN EUROPE AND THE EPL WAS FAR BELOW IT.

Nihilist: Katsumoto should have just respected himself and chilled...See as manyoo and chelsea fans collabo dey ganngbang am

Where is the Bleep?

You don't have to refer to every debate as a battle; its a bit juvenile.

There are people of both sides of the debate.

afrodoc2:

I said arguably because of Spain. Italy was no 1 and Spain & France came next.
It is nice of you to add Man Utd and Madrid's title which were won when Makelele was already playing in La Liga.

WHEN MAKELELE WAS PLAYING IN THE FRENCH LEAGUE IT WAS ONE OF THE TOP 3 LEAGUES IN EUROPE AND THE EPL WAS FAR BELOW IT.

At the risk of sounding redundant, did I link the quality of the French league to when Makelele was playing in it?

I merely provided the overall winners by country to highlight that the French League is not a top tier league.

In the history of the champions League, France has provided only one winner. Is that not a fact?

I won't belabour the point.

the french league was the bomb in the 90s - anyone with cable television in lagos then would know on CFI channel.

i remember watching the final of the new champions league - it was marseille & abedi pele doing africa proud. even though we ain't from ghana, nigerians rooted for marseille just because of abedi pele.

Who said this?

Katsumoto:

I think you missed my point.

The anchor men who are better than Makelele were all able to showcase their skillset in all the leagues they played in. If Makelele could only showcase more skillset in France but not in Spain and England, then he is limited. Davids, Rijkaard, Matthaus, Vieira, Simeone, etc all did it at the highest level; why was Makelele only able to show his skills in France?

Like I said, championship players are able to score magnificent goals in the championship but not in the premiership - the quality of opposition is key in determining whether you have a skill or not. If you take your 5/6 yr old nephews and their friends for a kick-about, I am sure you would display Messi like skills.

Katsumoto:
If we start counting the number of semi-final participation by country, I doubt France would be second.

Only one team per country qualified for UCL back then.

France would be the 2nd. Go and count it

Who said this?

Katsumoto:

That there is the crux of the debate - why was Makelele unable to that when he played for Madrid and Chelsea? Your position, based on what you are stating, is that Makelele didn't do it because he was given instructions. I posit that Makelele didn't do it in the tougher [b]leagues [/b]because he was limited. Paul Ince wasn't even a box-to-box DMF but he scored many goals for united; why couldn't Makelele do that? Ditto for Hamann at Newcastle and Liverpool.

And yes, I do have Jesus.

coogar:
i remember watching the final of the new champions league - it was marseille & abedi pele doing africa proud. even though we ain't from ghana, nigerians rooted for marseille just because of abedi pele.

Abedi Africa's greatest ever Playmaker. I remember his short stint in Serie A too.

coogar: the french league was the bomb in the 90s - anyone with cable television in lagos then would know on CFI channel.

i remember watching the final of the new champions league - it was marseille & abedi pele doing africa proud. even though we ain't from ghana, nigerians rooted for marseille just because of abedi pele.

Our own was Canal+ Popsie got it just in time for 94 World Cup. All our neighbours park in our house every Sunday for highlights show. When we play counterball, I always pick Nantes from France, Deportivo from Spain, Inter from Italy and Ajax from Holland.

Ibime

Is Mikel a limited player? you never answer me o

Also Where is that gerrard fail passes clips you posted sometime ago or was it coogar

Ibime:

Our own was Canal+ Popsie got it just in time for 94 World Cup. All our neighbours park in our house every Sunday for highlights show. When we play counterball, I always pick Nantes from France, Deportivo from Spain, Inter from Italy and Ajax from Holland.

CFI = canal france international. this was around late 92. those were the glory days.

raumdeuter: Ibime

Is Mikel a limited player? you never answer me o

Also Where is that gerrard fail passes clips you posted sometime ago or was it coogar

What do you want to do with the Gerrard video?

Abeg let Gerrad be.

Katsumoto:

What do you want to do with the Gerrard video?

Abeg let Gerrad be.

That is in another argument entirely. Nothing to do with this one. So you are safe

raumdeuter: Ibime

Is Mikel a limited player? you never answer me o

Also Where is that gerrard fail passes clips you posted sometime ago or was it coogar

You know the answer. Mikel is technically gifted. He's just slow, can't defend and has no place in our debate.

It's like we discussing Ribery, Robben and Ronaldo and you asking me whether Joe Cole is limited. Where does Joe Cole come into şuch debate, even if he is not technically limited?

coogar:
use a fraction of your weekly wage to cop an oxford dictionary.

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coogar:
use a fraction of your weekly wage to cop an oxford dictionary.

LWKMD..

This Chelsea thread is the best football fan thread on NL.


If it's not Jones vs John Terry,it is Smalling vs Omeruo

coogar:

CFI = canal france international. this was around late 92. those were the glory days.

Yes CFI was the bomb. Who can remember MFP and ABG?

afrodoc2:

Yes CFI was the bomb. Who can remember MFP and ABG?

ABG was our service provider then - very dodgy company. i think we changed later to the other one near coca-cola in agindigbi in ikeja. i have forgotten their name now.

coogar:

ABG was our service provider then - very dodgy company. i think we changed later to the other one near coca-cola in agindigbi in ikeja. i have forgotten their name now.

Yeah, i think the relatives of the owner ran it into the ground.

I think i know the 2nd one u are talking about......very near Coca-cola.....believe they later established Clapperboard TV

afrodoc2:

Yeah, i think the relatives of the owner ran it into the ground.

I think i know the 2nd one u are talking about......very near Coca-cola.....believe they later established Clapperboard TV

disc engineering they are called - they were so much better than ABG then. ABG offered only 12 channels.....i went to a neighbour's house & saw about 50 channels, we changed service asap!

coogar:

disc engineering they are called - they were so much better than ABG then. ABG offered only 12 channels.....i went to a neighbour's house & saw about 50 channels, we changed service asap!

Yes.....Disc Engineering Systems i think. One Toyin Munis was running things there. They soaped themselves when they opened their private TV station (i believe they were the 1st private TV station).

afrodoc2:

Yes.....Disc Engineering Systems i think. One Toyin Munis was running things there. They soaped themselves when they opened their private TV station (i believe they were the 1st private TV station).

wait, you be ikeja boy?
it seems you sabi this area well well o

chic2pimp:

Absolutely one of the biggest myths in Footy History.
As I keep saying what did Makalele do that hasn't been done before?

Propaganda no be sere kambia oo! I would list 10 DMs who had been playing at that position before Makelele and who were better before I finish my tumbler of scoochies. Ogini? MAKA-gini?

coogar:

wait, you be ikeja boy?
it seems you sabi this area well well o

LOL i sabi am small

afrodoc2:

LOL i sabi am small

i am sure you are one of those butty boys i used to chance at zoeys arcade.

Na u know o
Was not an arcade person sha....when Sega Mega Drive dey portable.

A40:
Propaganda no be sere kambia oo! I would list 10 DMs who had been playing at that position before Makelele and who were better before I finish my tumbler of scoochies. Ogini? MAKA-gini?

Wahlai tahlai i dey tell u. Imagine the rubbishes person dey read sef. Maka- lembe lembe o

afrodoc2: Na u know o
Was not an arcade person sha....when Sega Mega Drive dey portable.

well....little kids must find a way to leave the house. zoeys had this terminator 2 game then where you hold 2 semi-automatic weapons in the man vs machine duel.

cheiiii, i must have spent an entire fortune on that ish. money wey i suppose take buy better baseball cap for head.

chic2pimp:
Wahlai tahlai i dey tell u. Imagine the rubbishes person dey read sef. Maka- lembe lembe o

so you don't agree uncle claude was a specialist?

Sanity gradually coming back to this thread

No more Redondo Makalele talks again abeg