dont take that book seriously it is just a fable laced with mythical stories

LoveKing:

Now if Jesus Birth came by the Power of the Holy Ghost and Mary never slept with Joseph before the birth. then he can he be a descendant of Joseph? did he posses Joseph's ancestral blood.? Then why do the bible writers refer him to the descendant of abraham,isaac,isreal,david,solomon down to joseph?

What he said.

IDINRETE:

don't take that book seriously it is just a fable laced with mythical stories

Am afraid but don't actually understand. Which book?

@ LoveKing

You're right to ask this question, because this question strikes at the very core of  christianity's foundation. The whole premise  was if they could some how tie Jesus to David then they could show him as the rightful king and messiah, But YHWH's word easily uncovers this attempt at Throne jacking(lol)

Christainity claims that Jesus was royalty,a descendant of David so he therefore qualified to sit on David's throne. Lets now take a good look.  

David had many children( sons & daughters) all born into his royal house, therefore all his children are royalty.

1Ch 28:5   "And of all my sons (for YHWH has given me many sons) He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of YHWH  over Yisrayl.

Yes royal blood alone does not determine who sits on the throne of YHWH to rule over Yisrayl.
Abba Yahawah has to choose who sits on His throne to rule over us

Notice the latter part of the verse, It is Yahawah Who does the choosing "He (YHWH) has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of YHWH  over Yisrayl".

1Ch 3:5   And these were born to him in Yerusalem: Shimea Shobab, Nathan, and Solomon--four by Bathshua the daughter of Ammiel.

Nathan being Solsomon's brother is also of royal blood but from the above verse you can clearly see that Yahawah did not choose him.

Here again YHWH says:

1Ch 28:6   "Now He said to me, 'It is your son Solomon who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be My son, and I will be his Father.

1Ch 28:7   'Moreover I will establish his kingdom forever, if he is steadfast to observe My commandments and My judgments, as it is this day.

Again none of these promises were made to Nathan

Now switch to the fake Testament

Mat 1:1   THE book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

Luke 3:23   Now Yahshua Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Yahseph, the son of Heli (that is Yahseph son in-law of Eli, Eli being Miriam’s father)

Luke 3:24   the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Janna, the son of Joseph, ……………………………

Luke 3:31   the son of Melea, the son of Menan, the son of Mattathah, the son of Nathan, the son of David,

As it shows in Luke 3:31 Miriam’s lineage through Eli (Heli) is traced back to Nathan who was Solomon’s brother and David’s son (1Ch 3:5), and the above scriptures show from 1 chron 28:5-6  that YHWH chose Solomon as His anointed to succeed David not Nathan.

This disqualifies Yahshua(Jesus) from sitting on David’s throne forever because according to Luke 3:31 on  his mother's side of his lineage He is traced back to Nathan whose house was NEVER chosen by YHWH to sit The Throne of Yisrayl.

This would be just like cliaming that the child of promise was Ishmayl not Isaac, though both were of Abraham's blood, yet YHWH chose Isaac

Mattithyah 1 also records Yahshua’s genealogy through Yahseph, but this cannot not be valid because of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, that is Miriam’s conception by a so called holy ghost and not Yahseph her husband. The only way YHWH decreed for a human to be born into this world is through a father and mother by natural birth anything else is illegal. How did this so called holy ghost get a hold of King David physical genes?

Where have we seen Angels or fallen spirits having sex with physical women before?

Right here:Gen 6:1-7 with the end result being this:

Gen 6:7   So YHWH said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."


(Matt 1 continued)
Furthermore, there are also problems proving this lineage. The records seem to be in sync from David ->Solomon until Zerubbabel.

From 1Chronicles 3 we see the actual records of King David’s and his son Solomon down through Rehoboam Solomon’s son to Zerubbabel

1Ch 3:19   The sons of Pedayah were Zerubbabel and Shimei. The sons of Zerubbabel were Meshullam, Hananyah, Shelomith their sister,

1Ch 3:20   and Hashubah, Ohel, Berechyah, Hasadyah, and Yushab-Hesed--five in all.

This record does not support the records in the book of Mattithyah, none of the sons listed for Zerubbabel in the chronicles match with the list in Mattityah. Please bear in mind that the book of chronicles came first.

Mat 1:13-15  Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud.  Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Yaaqob.

Mat 1:16   And Yaaqob begot Yahseph the husband of Miriam, of whom was born Yahshua who is called Messiah.

In order to conceal and hide the truth about christianity’s most important foundational flaw, Christian scribes wrote this as Paul’s letter to Timothy :

1Ti 1:3   As I urged you when I went into Macedonia--remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

1Ti 1:4   nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.

In conclusion,
1Ch 28:4   "However YHWH The Father of Yisrayl chose me (David) above all the house of my father to be king over Yisrayl forever,

Hos 3:5   Afterward the children of Yisrayl shall return and seek  YHWH their FATHER and David their king. and will Reverence YHWH and His Righteousness in the latter days.

Yer 30:9   But they shall serve YHWH their Father, and David their king, WHOM I WILL RAISE UP FOR THEM

Isa 26:19   But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; and the earth will cast out her dead.

Do you believe in the resurrection? Because YHWH has said He shall raise up David from his sleep to be King once again in Zion

ALL PRAISES AND HONOR TO HIS ETERNAL MAJESTY YHWH OUR FATHER

HalleluYAH!


Salaam(Peace)

muhsin:

Am afraid but don't actually understand. Which book?

be afraid be very very afraid

which Book? 
the bible of course!

LoveKing:

Now if Jesus Birth came by the Power of the Holy Ghost and Mary never slept with Joseph before the birth. then he can he be a descendant of Joseph? did he posses Joseph's ancestral blood.? Then why do the bible writers refer him to the descendant of abraham,isaac,isreal,david,solomon down to joseph?

Do you mind introduce yourself?? @LoveKing, What do you believe?? Who are you??

LoveKing:

I'm a Christian but Liberal. so whats your contribution?

Why does this particular question matter to you and why have you resolved to asking people who themselves were not there but read what you read and then go to God, for answers?? Why not ask God himself to reveal the truth of this to you himself?? @LoveKing

I will like to ask you Loveking to look for a Bible beleiving church like Redeem Christian Church of God and worship.  Also attend the Digging Deep regularly.  There you will know the truth.  As regard your question try to study the Chronological order of the Birth of Jesus Christ.  Where you have question let us know.

However, while you are into this research with an "open mind" always understand that Joseph is the eathly Father of Jesus by the virtue of His relationship with Mary.  It is not in anyway out of place to reffer to Jesus on This on eathly Decendancy.  Also while you are trying to learn things of God, never forget that no one can know the Origin of God. You can not know any Secrete of God except the ones He reveal.  YOu need Holy Spirit to get all this knowledge.  If not you will wonder until you become a wonderer

LoveKing:


Ok so you were there when Christ was crucified,right? you werent there but u believed he was crucified. I'm asking because this has puzzled me and i don't mind an intellectual contribution. Maybe God can reveal the answer to me through You, what do u think?

That answer I actually got myself when I asked God for answers. I want to tell you but I think you need to ask God for the answer you seek in this case. Have a nice one!

@LoveKing: You want answer to your questions? Pick up the Qur'an. You find in it that Jesus, was of a miraculous birth, performed many miracles than what you will find in the Christian Bible, is not son of God, because God does not need a son, he is not God or partner of God, that will mean that there is no true Supreme being, he was a prophet, sent as a messiah to the Children of Israel, only and that he proclaimed the coming of a future prophet/messenger of God, whose name will be Ahmad (another name for Muhammad), he was not crucified now died on the cross, hence he has not experienced earthly death, yet and there is no resurrection, therefore, and he will come back to the earth to act as one of the signs of the final day.

If you after carefully reading and studying the Qur'an, have any question, please do not hesitate to contact me. I am available, as adequately as possible. Further, leave the junk in the trunk when you pick up for this assignment. This is about life in hell or in paradise. The choice is very clear.

Do not be deluded by all the fancies of the world. This is the trick of Satan. The seducer will make what is wrong seemingly correct and agreeable. And what is right, seemingly unattractive and repulsive. Watch out for his tricks. Be careful of him.

Ok you have zero your mind to getting knowledge about what you don't know. We can only tell you the truth, it is your choice to accept. But if you feel you want to question the Authority of God go ahead! But no body can battle with the Lord.

how can jesus christ be a descendant of a wife snatcher, a murderer, a moabite, a belligerent, a child killer etc, 

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how can jesus christ be a descendant of a wife snatcher, a murderer, a moabite, a belligerent, a child killer etc,

combatant:

why are you laughing now , im serious o

Idinrete, i suggest u carry ur idi somewhere else if all u can do on this thread is to poke fun at the bible and God's perfect will.

Read this link that proves that Jesus Christ is a direct Descendant of King David. After reading it, one would realize that in addition to this message, God's wisdom/workings is so great and unattainable and capable of confusing even the 'brightest' minds.

http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/onlylegitimatemessiah.html

janami:

Idinrete, i suggest u carry your idi somewhere else if all u can do on this thread is to poke fun at the bible and God's perfect will.

poke fun at the bible and god's perfect will i will poke more than fun at the bible

what is god's perfect will?

'carry your idi somewhere else' is that all you can offer by poking fun at my name!

you need to bring out verses in the bible to refute what i have ascribed to david

the claim that jesus was a descendant of david is not god's perfect will!
for something or someone to be perfect it/he/she will not be tainted with imperfection or error or sin

jesus god was imperfect has he has been tainted with sin being a descendant of david

no matter how much u shout at a deaf child, he neva hears. if u think i am going to quote bible verses at someone who openly pours disdain at the bible, then u have another think coming. so i still say carry ur idi somewhere else and flap ur ete to ur heart's desire

@Idinrete

IDINRETE:

how can jesus christ be a descendant of a wife snatcher, a murderer, a moabite, a belligerent, a child killer etc, 

Please read because this one's for you

2Sa 16:5   Now when King David came to Bahurim, there was a man from the family of the house of Shaul, whose name was Shimei the son of Gera, coming from there. He came out, cursing continuously as he came.

2Sa 16:6   And he threw stones at David and at all the servants of King David. And all the people and all the mighty men were on his right hand and on his left.

2Sa 16:7 Also Shimei said thus when he cursed: "Come out! Come out! You bloodthirsty man, you rogue!

Idinrete, does this guy remind you of yourself? "how can jesus christ be a descendant of a wife snatcher, a murderer, a moabite, a belligerent, a child killer"

2Sa 16:8   "YHWH has brought upon you all the blood of the house of Shaul, in whose place you have reigned; and YHWH has delivered the kingdom into the hand of Absalom your son. So now you are caught in your own evil, because you are a bloodthirsty man!"

2Sa 16:9   Then Abishai the son of Zeruiah said to the king, "Why should this dead dog curse my ruler the king? Please, let me go over and take off his head!" (I must confess I kind of felt the same way about your wicked words "how can jesus christ be a descendant of a wife snatcher, a murderer, a moabite, a belligerent, a child killer" )

2Sa 16:10   But the king said, "What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah? So let him curse, because YHWH has said to him, 'Curse David.' Who then shall say, 'Why have you done so?'"

2Sa 16:11   And David said to Abishai and all his servants, "See how my son who came from my own body seeks my life. How much more now may this Benyamite? Let him alone, and let him curse; for so YHWH has ordered him.

2Sa 16:12   "It may be that YHWH will look on my affliction, and that YHWH will repay me with good for his cursing this day."

2Sa 16:13   And as David and his men went along the road, Shimei went along the hillside opposite him and cursed as he went, threw stones at him and kicked up dust.


Part Two

2Sa 19:15   Then the king returned and came to the Yardan. And Yahadah came to Gilgal, to go to meet the king, to escort the king across the Yardan.

2Sa 19:16   And Shimei the son of Gera, a Benyamite, who was from Bahurim, hurried and came down with the men of Yahadah to meet King David.

2Sa 19:17   There were a thousand men of Benyamin with him, and Ziba the servant of the house of Shaul, and his fifteen sons and his twenty servants with him; and they went over the Yardan before the king.

2Sa 19:18   Then a ferryboat went across to carry over the king's household, and to do what he thought good. Now Shimei the son of Gera fell down before the king when he had crossed the Yardan.

2Sa 19:19   Then he said to the king, "Do not let my ruler impute iniquity to me, or remember what wrong your servant did on the day that my ruler the king left Yerusalem, that the king should take it to heart

2Sa 19:20   "For I, your servant, know that I have sinned. Therefore here I am, the first to come today of all the house of Yahseph to go down to meet my lord the king."

2Sa 19:21   But Abishai the son of Zeruiah answered and said, "Shall not Shimei be put to death for this, because he cursed YHWH's anointed?"

2Sa 19:22   And David said, "What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah, that you should be adversaries to me today? Shall any man be put to death today in Yisrayl? For do I not know that today I am king over Yisrayl?"

2Sa 19:23   Therefore the king said to Shimei, "You shall not die." And the king swore to him

Part Three ( Here comes the Judgment)


1Ki 2:1   NOW the days of David drew near that he should die, and he charged Solomon his son, saying

1Ki 2:8   "And see, you have with you Shimei the son of Gera, a Benjamite from Bahurim, who cursed me with a malicious curse in the day when I went to Mahanaim. But he came down to meet me at the Yardan, and I vowed to him by YHWH, saying, 'I will not put you to death with the sword.'

1Ki 2:9   "Now therefore, do not hold him guiltless, for you are a wise man and know what you ought to do to him; but bring his gray hair down to the grave with blood."

1Ki 2:36 Then the king(Solomon) sent and called for Shimei, and said to him, "Build yourself a house in Yerusalem and dwell there, and do not go out from there anywhere.

1Ki 2:37   "For it shall be, on the day you go out and cross the Brook Kidron, know for certain you shall surely die; your blood shall be on your own head."

1Ki 2:38   And Shimei said to the king, "The saying is good. As my ruler the king has said, so your servant will do." So Shimei dwelt in Yerusalem many days.

1Ki 2:39   Now it happened at the end of three years, that two slaves of Shimei ran away to Achish the son of Maachah, king of Gath. And they told Shimei, saying, "Look, your slaves are in Gath!"

1Ki 2:40   So Shimei arose, saddled his donkey, and went to Achish at Gath to seek his slaves. And Shimei went and brought his slaves from Gath.

1Ki 2:41   And Solomon was told that Shimei had gone from Yerusalem to Gath and had come back.

1Ki 2:42   Then the king sent and called for Shimei, and said to him, "Did I not make you vow by YHWH, and warn you, saying, 'Know for certain that on the day you go out and travel anywhere, you shall surely die'? And you said to me, 'The word I have heard is good.'

1Ki 2:43   "Why then have you not kept the oath of YHWH and the commandment that I gave you?"

1Ki 2:44   The king said moreover to Shimei, "You know, as your heart acknowledges, all the wickedness that you did to my father David; therefore YHWH will return your wickedness on your own head.

1Ki 2:45   "But King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before YHWH forever."

1Ki 2:46   So the king commanded Benaiah the son of Yehoiada; and he went out and struck him down, and he died. Thus the kingdom was established in the hand of Solomon.

Remember!

Psa 89:20   I HAVE FOUND MY SERVANT DAVID(The BRANCH of Yishai – see Isa 11:1); With MY HOLY OIL I HAVE ANOINTED HIM,

1Sa 16:13   Then Samuyl took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of YHWH came upon David from that day forward. So Samuyl arose and went to Ramah

Where was your Jesus ever anionted with YHWH'S Holy Oil by A Prophet of YHWH like Samuyl? to be King in Yisrayl?

Psa 89:27   AND I WILL MAKE HIM MY FIRSTBORN, higher than of the kings of the earth.

Psa 2:7 “I will proclaim the decree: that YHWH declared YHWH said to Me (David), 'You are My Son, THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU. (Malak Dawadah YHWH’S 1st born and begotten Son)

Psa 89:28   My mercy I will keep for him (David) forever, And My covenant shall stand firm with him.

Psa 92:10 But my horn You have exalted like a wild ox; I(David) have been anointed with fresh oil.

Psa 132:17 There I will make the horn( Power or Strength) of David grow; I will prepare a lamp for My Anointed

Psa 105:15 [Saying], "Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm."  

Keep writing checks your ___ can't cash!, keep on slandering YHWH'S anointed, Laugh now cry later for YHWH will return your wickedness on your own head.

janami:

no matter how much u shout at a deaf child, he never hears. if u think i am going to quote bible verses at someone who openly pours disdain at the bible, then u have another think coming. so i still say carry your idi somewhere else and flap your ete to your heart's desire

me pour disdain on the bible, the bible poured disdain on itself with all the atrocities and the absurdities that fills its pages,
and that goes for you yisraylite as well,

Idinrete

I am not here to win u but to make you think deeply.

You see all you have said on this thread about Jesus and the bible God has already forgiven you even before you committed the sin.

He has mercy for you free of Charge now. You need to run away from the coming wrath. You can see it. When you have common running and pain i your stomach you know it is near.

My brother you are a seed you will either die or live. If you choose to die you will be cut off from God for eternity. You need me to help you see what hell is all about. Imagine you sleep and wake in a dark room you say people should put on the lights It will be no joke your soul will be in perfect darkness. I used to wonder how hell will be hot and yet still will be dark. It will be a very dark fire. Your 5 senses will be working in hell. The punishment is great.

Some say God cant do that but I tell you he should do more than that because we have Jesus now to save us from Our sins and yet people are not repenting.

In hell people that stole and killed will be sorry but the evill they did will be played back to them a zillion times and they will regret and gnash their teeth. All you who read this please flee the great wrath of God. God will be merciless in his Judgement.

Some people think that the concept of hell is not real but please even in the Secular setup we see that Evil men are kept away from good citizens.

TO BE DEAD IN SPIRITUAL SENSE IS TO BE CUT OFF FROM A SOURCE. The source of a Christian is GOD THE CARRIER OF ZOE.

Backslider:

Idinrete

I am not here to win u but to make you think deeply.

You see all you have said on this thread about Jesus and the bible God has already forgiven you even before you committed the sin.

He has mercy for you free of Charge now. You need to run away from the coming wrath. You can see it. When you have common running and pain i your stomach you know it is near.

My brother you are a seed you will either die or live. If you choose to die you will be cut off from God for eternity. You need me to help you see what hell is all about. Imagine you sleep and wake in a dark room you say people should put on the lights It will be no joke your soul will be in perfect darkness. I used to wonder how hell will be hot and yet still will be dark. It will be a very dark fire. Your 5 senses will be working in hell. The punishment is great.
Some say God can't do that but I tell you he should do more than that because we have Jesus now to save us from Our sins and yet people are not repenting.

In hell people that stole and killed will be sorry but the evill they did will be played back to them a zillion times and they will regret and gnash their teeth. All you who read this please flee the great wrath of God. God will be merciless in his Judgement.

Some people think that the concept of hell is not real but please even in the Secular setup we see that Evil men are kept away from good citizens.

TO BE DEAD IN SPIRITUAL SENSE IS TO BE CUT OFF FROM A SOURCE. The source of a Christian is GOD THE CARRIER OF ZOE.

what is all this thrash about?

all your threats of hell is futile
Im way way beyond such idle threats and punishments. im not as gullible as you are
the bible god should first repent and forgive himself/herself itself [ i think he is masculine just like his son jesus or the third god] for all the atrocities committed by him and on his behalf. 

it is not going to be only me in hell, all your biblical heroes will be my hell-mates 

As the Bible says, "There is a path that looks good in the eyes of a man, but which leads to utter destruction". Do not joke with the Bible, or any part of the Bible. The Bible lives, and will stand to judge you on the last day. A word is always enough for the wise. The Bible is there to guide you in truth. But as Christ said, "who will I find to be faithful on the last day when I come to gather my sheep"? I hope and pray that you will be found faithful when Christ comes.

Millena:

As the Bible says, "There is a path that looks good in the eyes of a man, but which leads to utter destruction". Do not joke with the Bible, or any part of the Bible. The Bible lives, and will stand to judge you on the last day. A word is always enough for the wise. The Bible is there to guide you in truth. But as Christ said, "who will I find to be faithful on the last day when I come to gather my sheep"? I hope and pray that you will be found faithful when Christ comes.

which? what? bible,  that filthy book that commands you to utterly destroy babies then you can keep virgins for yourself  [can you imagine the sex-deprived soldiers of yahweh/jehovah a war thirsty monster ravishing young virgins in sexual orgies] with  Moses, Joshua etc acting as the military supremos

Yes there 14th or 28th generations between David and Jesus, i cant really recall the actual now

Found it:
Matthew
1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

JESUS IS MESSIAH. Remember this, during that time, the bloodlines ran through the father not the mother. Remember the angel of THE LORD appeared to joseph and called him 'son of david' this is because he was apart of the royal bloodline tracing all the way back to Abraham. This is why Mary and joseph needed to be married because then JESUS WOULD legally be joseph son and an heir to The Throne. Had JESUS been born of Mary and she were not married to joseph then JESUS Would not have been an heir because HE Would have no ties to a heir of david.

@ poster
What a useless question jst to ridicule the Bible? You guys should think first b4 posting.

Was Mary earthly married to God or an Angel? Was the linage bible mentioned abt earthly or spiritual linage?
Mary was already Bethrowed to Joseph when she got pregnant, meaning according to the Jewish law he takes responsibility of the output of the marriage. Every child from the marriage legitimately belong to him as long he accepts the pregnancy. That is why the bible recorded Jesus to be from the linage of David, since the linage recorded was earthly.
Mind you the Mystery of the birth of Jesus was only revealed to Joseph and some old prophets, meaning that even the Jews recognised him as the son of Joseph. Am sure many was not aware of this mystery then until it was made public

The same thing happens on a daily bases in some cultures even in Nigeria. When a girl have a teenage pregnancy and luckily got married during his pregnancy , the man that paid her dowry becomes the rightful father of the child as long as he accepts the child. We have many cases like that in my village.
I have also seen a case where a single lady with a month pregnancy got married to another man who accepted the pregnancy. Till tml everyone see him as the father of the child, the child bears the man's surname, so will you also question the legitimacy of the child? Let us even come to more advance Era. A family who adopted a child and made the child heirs of their inheritance. Will you question the legitmate background of the child jst becoz he/she does not biologically belong to the adopted family? Will it be wrong to count this adopted child as a member of the linage of the adopted parents? Remember this child now also bears the surname of the adopted family. 

These cases are similarto Jesus Birth. Joseph was legally married to mary. Mary got pregnant true the power of holy ghost. Am sure Joseph might have rejected mary and the pregnancy if it was from another man, which is normal. That is why God revealed to Josph in a dream the mystery of Mary's conception and told him not to be scared but accept the child as his. So if Joseph the husband of mary accepted the child as his child what is your problem with it?