Norwegians embrace Islam on mass in Tromso! | Mission Dawah: Norway - Day 11 - iERA

22 people embraced Islam in 11 days, SubhanAllah!! People do the dawah!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_YX7lXUThU&sns=tw

tbaba1234: Norwegians embrace Islam on mass in Tromso! | Mission Dawah: Norway - Day 11 - iERA

22 people embraced Islam in 11 days, SubhanAllah!! People do the dawah!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_YX7lXUThU&sns=tw

Yawn. IERA and their propaganda. Many Norwegians would be ready to smackdown a blief in any God. Dawah in Norway . Why dont they show it like how the christians do. The christains have debates with anyone willing to challenge them on the streets so that they can convert(the christians lose to atheists but at least they try). I'm yet to see that from IERA.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymF7ySlpRZ4

Everything is propaganda but you will come to know... that is a promise....

IERA has had numerous formal debates with all groups; Many of which are online... Atheists always lose to muslims in those debates anyway. The aim is not to debate, it is to pass on the message. In debates, no one is willing to reason, they just build up their defenses...

These videos are just daily summary updates of what transpired; The full videos would be uploaded at a later date....

What are they asking about? The momentous announcement about which they differ. They will find out. In the end they will
find out.(Surah 78:1-5)

tbaba1234: Everything is propaganda but you will come to know... that is a promise....

IERA has had numerous formal debates with all groups; Many of which are online... Atheists always lose to muslims in those debates anyway. The aim is not to debate, it is to pass on the message. In debates, no one is willing to reason, they just build up their defenses...

These videos are just daily summary updates of what transpired; The full videos would be uploaded at a later date....

What are they asking about? The momentous announcement about which they differ. They will find out. In the end they will
find out.(Surah 78:1-5)

I was talking about street debates.


If you want tot talk about formal debates where Hamza Tzortis debates with Western atheist who know little about the Quran so that he can say good things about the Quran without being caught, then I am ready to discuss such issues.


Even with little knowledge of the Quran, these western atheists still debunk Hamza Tzortis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlc8QAApXAA

^Most of the debates are about basic things and Hamza hardly says anything remarkable about the Quran, He simply states the obvious... yet debate after debate... you guys lose...

The truth is clear from falsehood. Street debates are ineffective, people dig in and defend their points of view no matter how irrational. They have no clearly defined area and could be all over the place. Choose a topic and debate in a formal setting, the viewers would develop their opinions.

Like i said earlier, i am not a fan of debates; I have the truth and i have the proof. We can always review the truth in a dispassionate way and arrive at conclusions, Debates generally serve little purpose. People use it to massage their egos and feel good about themselves instead of finding truth.

tbaba1234: ^Most of the debates are about basic things and Hamza hardly says anything remarkable about the Quran, He simply states the obvious... yet debate after debate... you guys lose...

The truth is clear from falsehood. Street debates are ineffective, people dig in and defend their points of view no matter how irrational. They have no clearly defined area and could be all over the place. Choose a topic and debate in a formal setting, the viewers would develop their opinions.

Like i said earlier, i am not a fan of debates; I have the truth and i have the proof. We can always review the truth in a dispassionate way and arrive at conclusions, Debates generally serve little purpose. People use it to massage their egos and feel good about themselves instead of finding truth.

Truth? Which statement is true;

1) There exists no physical evidence for God

2) There is physical evidence for God

^ Question? Are all facts based on physical evidence? think before you answer

There is evidence for Allah all around you...

tbaba1234: ^ Question? Are all facts based on physical evidence? think before you answer

There is evidence for Allah all around you...

All fact are based on physical evidence.

Cheers01: All fact are based on physical evidence.

Ok, provide physical evidence for the mind....

tbaba1234:

Ok, provide physical evidence for the mind....

This old argument?

The "mind"

A mind ( /ˈmaɪnd/) is the complex of cognitive faculties that enables consciousness, thinking, reasoning, perception, and judgement —a characteristic of human beings, but which also may apply to other life forms.[3][4]

Clearly the mind relates to the brain. The mind is an abstract to describe a structure of though process and other cognitive abilites. No brain, no mind.

Mind and brain, same thing. Mind is just used to refer to the individual thoughts

A mind ( /ˈmaɪnd/) is the complex of cognitive faculties that enables consciousness, thinking, reasoning, perception, and judgement —a characteristic of human beings, but which also may apply to other life forms.

That is your definition,

The brain is the center of the nervous system in all vertebrate and most invertebrate animals—only a few invertebrates such as sponges, jellyfish, adult sea squirts and starfish do not have one, even if diffuse neural tissue is present. It is located in the head, usually close to the primary sensory organs for such senses as vision, hearing, balance, taste, and smell. (wikipedia)

How is the brain physical evidence for the mind Brain and mind are NOT the same thing...

.... Show me physical evidence that i think or even have a mind and please think hard....

Most scientific theories are based of laws that can't be proven... Example the newton law of gravity can't be proven...

My point is this, many times we have to rely on rational and intellectual evidence in the absence of physical proof.

We have proof for Allah; We have his words....

tbaba1234: A mind ( /ˈmaɪnd/) is the complex of cognitive faculties that enables consciousness, thinking, reasoning, perception, and judgement —a characteristic of human beings, but which also may apply to other life forms.

That is your definition,

The brain is the center of the nervous system in all vertebrate and most invertebrate animals—only a few invertebrates such as sponges, jellyfish, adult sea squirts and starfish do not have one, even if diffuse neural tissue is present. It is located in the head, usually close to the primary sensory organs for such senses as vision, hearing, balance, taste, and smell. (wikipedia)

How is the brain physical evidence for the mind Brain and mind are NOT the same thing...

.... Show me physical evidence that i think or even have a mind and please think hard....

Most scientific theories are based of laws that can't be proven... Example the newton law of gravity can't be proven...

Lol, you dont drink alcohol and that is why you probably dont understand the fact that the mind is a function of the brain. Why is your mind clouded the very moment your brain is under the influence?

Does your mind work outside of your brain? No.

Why would you say that there is no proof of Newtons gravitational law? It is based on empirical evidence in the first place and that is why it is a law.

Cheers01:
Lol, you dont drink alcohol and that is why you probably dont understand the fact that the mind is a function of the brain. Why is your mind clouded the very moment your brain is under the influence?

Does your mind work outside of your brain? No.

Why would you say that there is no proof of Newtons gravitational law? It is based on empirical evidence in the first place and that is why it is a law.

What you have given me is a rational deduction not physical evidence... Please note the difference

Again provide physical evidence for the mind...

tbaba1234:

What you have given me is a rational deduction not physical evidence... Please note the difference

Again provide physical evidence for the mind...

the mind is an absract word to describe the unique thought processes. It is not a spiritual part outside the body. It is just a process of the brain. The brain is the mind.

It is like asking to provide phyical evidence for sight (an abstract). the eye enables us to see

It is like asking to provide physical evidence for thought.the brain enables us to think


The brain is the mind

Cheers01:
the mind is an absract word to describe the unique thought processes. It is not a spiritual part outside the body. It is just a process of the brain. The brain is the mind.
It is like asking to provide phyical evidence for sight (an abstract). the eye enables us to see
It is like asking to provide physical evidence for thought.the brain enables us to think


The brain is the mind

Exactly, for realities that are unseen/intangible, we reach conclusions based on rational and intellectual deductions not physical evidence. There might be hope for you yet...

The brain is not the mind... The brain can be removed from the head and dissected but we still can not know what goes on in the mind... However, through a psychological evaluation, we can figure out a person mental health by making rational deductions.

So for an unseen creator, the way to reach a conclusion on his existence is via rational/intellectual deductions.

tbaba1234:


Exactly, for realities that are unseen/intangible, we reach conclusions based on rational and intellectual deductions not physical evidence. There might be hope for you yet...

The brain is not the mind... The brain can be removed from the head and dissected but we still can not know what goes on in the mind... However, through a psychological evaluation, we can figure out a person mental health by making rational deductions.

So for an unseen creator, the way to reach a conclusion on his existence is via rational/intellectual deductions.

The only way to jump towards God from my comment is to reduce god to an abstract.

Everything we know is physical. The abstract is what we use to describe the physical.

Cheers01: The only way to jump towards God from my comment is to reduce god to an abstract.

Everything we know is physical. The abstract is what we use to describe the physical.

An abstract thing is something we can't perceive directly with our senses..... We use electromagnetic waves but they could be said to be 'abstract'.. We can't perceive them with our senses. If by abstract you mean something that can only be perceived by thought.

Then id say to you, that by looking at what we have in the universe, and relating it to the physical laws of the universe. We can comfortably come up with the fact of a creator. The name you attribute to this creator is what is abstract not the creator himself.

Also, If a creator reveals himself via revelation that is beyond what the human mind can reproduce and a revelation that defies a naturalistic explanation. We can examine the evidence and come to a definite conclusion on His existence and his name.

tbaba1234:

An abstract thing is something we can't perceive directly with our senses..... We use electromagnetic waves but they could be said to be 'abstract'.. We can't perceive them with our senses. If by abstract you mean something that can only be perceived by thought.

Then id say to you, that by looking at what we have in the universe, and relating it to the physical laws of the universe. We can comfortably come up with the fact of a creator. The name you attribute to this creator is what is abstract not the creator himself.

Also, If a creator reveals himself via revelation that is beyond what the human mind can reproduce and a revelation that defies a naturalistic explanation. We can examine the evidence and come to a definite conclusion on His existence and his name.

Electromagnetic waves are not abstract. Visible light waves are electromagnetic waves.

An absract is just something we use to describe the phyical.

love is an abstract used to define sets of actions between to or more poeple.

God is an abstract from imagination from thought processes of the brain

Cheers01:
Electromagnetic waves are not abstract. Visible light waves are electromagnetic waves.

An absract is just something we use to describe the phyical.

love is an abstract used to define sets of actions between to or more poeple.

God is an abstract from imagination from thought processes of the brain

Visible light is just one type of electromagnetic waves.... Can you perceive radio waves with your senses? they are electromagnetic waves as well. The eyes of humans only sense a small range of frequencies of electromagnetic waves..

No, Love as a name is the abstract thing... people do feel attraction to each other... The name love is the abstraction, not the feeling of love because it exists.

Same with the word 'God'. The name could be said to be an abstract for the cause/creator of the universe. The universe having a creator is not abstract.

tbaba1234:

Visible light is just one type of electromagnetic waves.... Can you perceive radio waves with your senses? they are electromagnetic waves as well. The eyes of humans only sense a small range of frequencies of electromagnetic waves..

No, Love as a name is the abstract thing... people do feel attraction to each other... The name love is the abstraction, not the feeling of love because it exists.

Same with the word 'God'. The name could be said to be an abstract for the cause/creator of the universe. The universe having a creator is not abstract.

There is no evidence for God. We keep going round in circles. No evidence. You want to claim that we are creations of Allah as evidence. This creation argument fails when you consider evolution. Even if you dont want to accept evolution, there is still the problem of hermaphrodites? Does the creator make mistakes?

Cheers01: There is no evidence for God. We keep going round in circles. No evidence. You want to claim that we are creations of Allah as evidence. This creation argument fails when you consider evolution. Even if you dont want to accept evolution, there is still the problem of hermaphrodites? Does the creator make mistakes?

First of all, evolution as a theory does not preclude the need for a God. The One who started everything. You see, the need for the first cause is essential and it is in line with everything we see around us. You do not look at your laptop and say it had no maker, even if the production was fully automated. Someone put the process in place. That indicates a will and a personality.

The fact that we have everything around us balanced and following certain rules is evidence for the existence of a creator with a will. The Quran itself is evidence for God because there is no naturalistic explanation for it. It is beyond what the human mind can produce.

True hermaphroditism is extremely rare and undocumented. XXY males, XYY males, XO females, and Bleep females are not hermaphrodites, they may develop unusual features but they are not hermaphrodites. They are completely male/female.

Now the existence of these people does not pose a problem for the muslim, because we realise that everything we have is a gift. We own nothing. We are grateful for everything, we are given and we do not despair over what has not been given to us. We do not despair over what we do not have because it truly isn't ours. The purpose of life isn't fun and enjoyment, we are going through a test,... everything we face is part of that test. What happens in this life dictates what will happen in the next.

The fact that some people are born blind makes you realise the gift of vision, that people are born with these kinds of conditions helps you appreciate the gift of what you have.

tbaba1234:

First of all, evolution as a theory does not preclude the need for a God. The One who started everything. You see, the need for the first cause is essential and it is in line with everything we see around us. You do not look at your laptop and say it had no maker, even if the production was fully automated. Someone put the process in place. That indicates a will and a personality.

The fact that we have everything around us balanced and following certain rules is evidence for the existence of a creator with a will. The Quran itself is evidence for God because there is no naturalistic explanation for it. It is beyond what the human mind can produce.

True hermaphroditism is extremely rare and undocumented. XXY males, XYY males, XO females, and Bleep females are not hermaphrodites, they may develop unusual features but they are not hermaphrodites. They are completely male/female.

Now the existence of these people does not pose a problem for the muslim, because we realise that everything we have is a gift. We own nothing. We are grateful for everything, we are given and we do not despair over what has not been given to us. We do not despair over what we do not have because it truly isn't ours. The purpose of life isn't fun and enjoyment, we are going through a test,... everything we face is part of that test. What happens in this life dictates what will happen in the next.

The fact that some people are born blind makes you realise the gift of vision, that people are born with these kinds of conditions helps you appreciate the gift of what you have.

Tbaba, if you consider the big band and evolution, God looks a bit insane and slow. A guy that can snap everything into existence, will create a big bang which creates stars and planets over a billion years then waits for another billion years for humans to evolve. It would be like filling a well drop by drop that would take months instead of using a pipe/irrigation that will fill it inless than 5 hours.

Cheers01: Tbaba, if you consider the big band and evolution, God looks a bit insane and slow. A guy that can snap everything into existence, will create a big bang which creates stars and planets over a billion years then waits for another billion years for humans to evolve. It would be like filling a well drop by drop that would take months instead of using a pipe/irrigation that will fill it inless than 5 hours.

When you talk to me, do not insult God... discussion over!

tbaba1234:

When you talk to me, do not insult God... discussion over!

You insulted you own God, not me. I was just explaining what you said. If God created the world through big bang,.....................a lot of time was wasted- billions of years before humans/earth showed up.

Cheers01:


Tbaba, if you consider the big band and evolution, God looks a bit insane and slow. A guy that can snap everything into existence, will create a big bang which creates stars and planets over a billion years then waits for another billion years for humans to evolve. It would be like filling a well drop by drop that would take months instead of using a pipe/irrigation that will fill it inless than 5 hours.

Any rational person can see what I clearly said. I did not insult God, I explained the consequences of saying that God did the big bang.


This is how they falsely accuse innocent people of blasphemy and then banishment and execution come after

Mission Accomplished | Mission Dawah: Norway - Day 13 - iERA

24 shahadas in 12 days (9 days really because they didn't go out for 3 days)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJBC1bkEsjE