Whom will we see in heaven? Will we see one, or three? Will we see one throne, or three? If we say there in one throne, then who is sitting on the throne? Is Jesus sitting on the right hand of God? If we say there are three thrones, would that be a tritheistic view of God?. How many thrones are there and who is sitting on the throne? Many do not have a clear understanding of how we will see God in heaven. What do the Scriptures say?

In the book of Revelation John shows us the scene of one throne and one sitting on the throne.

Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne [/u]was set in heaven, and one sat [u]on the throne.

The book of Revelation tells us that Jesus is the Alpha, Omega, beginning, ending, Almighty, etc.

Revelation 1:7-8 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17-18 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

In Revelation 21, the one sitting on the throne is called Alpha, Omega, beginning, ending, and God.

Revelation 21:5-7 5 And he that sat upon the throne [/u]said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

We see in the first chapter of Revelation that Jesus is the Alpha, Omega, beginning, ending, one which was, which is, and which is to come, Almighty, the first, and the last. The one sitting on the one throne in heaven [/b]is making these same claims, using the same descriptive terms. The one sitting [u]on the one throne is Jesus.

How can Jesus be sitting on the throne if he is the lamb standing before the throne? The lamb slain standing before the throne is a popular argument that is often used to show that Jesus is not the one sitting on the throne.

[b]Revelation 5:6-7 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

If this verse is to be taken literally, then Jesus is separate from God, and he is an actual slain lamb in heaven. This verse is actually symbolic of the atonement, showing that Jesus was slain for our sins. Jesus was only slain in his humanity. It doesn’t mean that Jesus wasn’t God, or that he was separate from the one of the throne. Verse 6 shows that the lamb actually came from the midst of the throne.

We see this again in Revelation 7:17:

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

The one sitting on the throne is the lamb. Our Father became our redeemer.

Isaiah 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The throne is called the throne of God and of the lamb.

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Notice the singular pronouns. This continues in the next verse.

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." - Matthew 5:8

These verses refer to God and the lamb as ‘he’. Jesus is God manifest in flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is God and the lamb.
In heaven, we will see one sitting on the throne- Jesus. In Jesus we will see all the fullness of the Godhead.

Colossians 2:9 [/b]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

When we see Jesus we will see the Father.

[b]John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Isn’t Jesus sitting on the right hand of God? If we look at the right hand of God as literal we run into several problems in scripture.
Some verses say that Jesus is sitting, while others say that he is standing.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 7:55-56 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

This interpretation would make Jesus separate from God, making two beings, and making Jesus not God.

If we take these verses literal, then we have Jesus literally sitting or standing ON God’s right hand. If we take these verses literal, then we must take other verses literal that speak of Jesus and God, which means that Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Looking at the books of Psalms, we see David with God AT his right hand.

Psalm 16:8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

It is clear from their contexts that all of these verses are figurative.

To show three thrones in heaven is tritheism the belief in three gods. The idea of three thrones contradicts Scripture, as Revelation 4:2 is clear there is one throne.

Also, to say that there is one throne begs the question, who is sitting on the throne?

We see from Scripture that Jesus, our Father and Redeemer, is the one God sitting on the one throne in heaven. There is one throne, and one sitting on the throne- Jesus, the Alpha, Omega, beginning, ending, first, last, who was, is, and is to come, the Almighty.

delusion at its peak............

justaqad: delusion at its peak............

Okay , move on thanks for stopping by.

According to the Bible, Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father.
We understand then, that both are sitting, which makes us suppose that the Holy Spirit is also granted. Thus, Mary and Joseph have to sit somewhere, and the saints (when not flying) should be able to sit down too.
Conclusion: They should have three thrones, but with the same basis as they are 3 to 1.
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I agree, there is one throne and just one KING... JESUS.

davidylan: I agree, there is one throne and just one KING... JESUS.

I did not say that.
I said that there are three thrones, that the three are seated, but the basis should be unique, representing just the trilogy.

You imagine a throne for Jesus and Yahweh without a throne?

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Ptolomeus:
I did not say that.
I said that there are three thrones, that the three are seated, but the basis should be unique, representing just the trilogy.

You imagine a throne for Jesus and Yahweh without a throne?

Jesus is the same Yahweh in the old testament. One and the same... one throne, one God.

davidylan:

Jesus is the same Yahweh in the old testament. One and the same... one throne, one God.

Excuse you.
I do not want to distort the thread of my dear friend frosbel ... but I think you have a lot of confusion about what it takes to trilogy.
Jesus is not Jahweh. The concept trilogy is otro.Recuerde the biblical passage "(Jesus) is seated at the right hand of his father ..."

Ptolomeus:
Excuse you.
I do not want to distort the thread of my dear friend frosbel ... but I think you have a lot of confusion about what it takes to trilogy.
Jesus is not Jahweh. The concept trilogy is otro.Recuerde the biblical passage "(Jesus) is seated at the right hand of his father ..."

Ok oh.

davidylan: I agree, there is one throne and just one KING... JESUS.

In Total agreement !!

Hmmmm$$.....

Confusion dey here o.....

How would u frosbel compare this revelation account where the son of man was brought or gained access to the ancient of days as recorded in daniel??

Did Jesus gain access to himself??

U might @ d end of the day be fostering the MODAlism doctrine which might @ d end contradict ur post if we analyze d whole scripture............

Where is d holy spirit in that picture??

I don't actually still know if your for the trinity doctrine or against it.......


let's get it straight....

Are u a trinitarian or a modalist??

U better choose my bro.....

Its this same confusion that moved tertullian to propound the trinity doctrine that the niceans held on to....

Modalism/trinity ,are the 2 most confusing doctrines religion has ever faced.......

All from paganism!!!!!!!!!!

From ya analogy about Jesus,we might conclude that when Jesus died the heavens were devoid of Yahweh....

Meaning there was no God for 3 days.....

Please review ur doctrines again on this issue

ijawkid: Hmmmm$$.....

Confusion dey here o.....

How would u frosbel compare this revelation account where the son of man was brought or gained access to the ancient of days as recorded in daniel??

Did Jesus gain access to himself??

U might @ d end of the day be fostering the MODAlism doctrine which might @ d end contradict ur post if we analyze d whole scripture............

Where is d holy spirit in that picture??

I don't actually still know if your for the trinity doctrine or against it.......


let's get it straight....

Are u a trinitarian or a modalist??

U better choose my bro.....

Its this same confusion that moved tertullian to propound the trinity doctrine that the niceans held on to....

Modalism/trinity ,are the 2 most confusing doctrines religion has ever faced.......

All from paganism!!!!!!!!!!

From ya analogy about Jesus,we might conclude that when Jesus died the heavens were devoid of Yahweh....

Meaning there was no God for 3 days.....

Please review ur doctrines again on this issue

The scripture is light.

Read scripture, if you do not believe , after you read , Pray. Many bible verses have been quoted direct above, review and assess.

Men's doctrines can be wrong but the WORD of GOD standeth forever.

Appears you are a Jehova's witness, right ? If yes, then I will say Pray even more for revelation

frosbel:

The scripture is light.

Read scripture, if you do not believe , after you read , Pray. Many bible verses have been quoted direct above, review and assess.

Men's doctrines can be wrong but the WORD of GOD standeth forever.

Appears you are a Jehova's witness, right ? If yes, then I will say Pray even more for revelation

When Jesus died where was God??

You are a modalist from ur reasoning....

When david sat on Yahwehs throne was he Yahweh??

All the kings of isreal that came from d davidic lineage aLl sat on Gods throne,the same throne Jesus is said to be sitting on...

This aint about Jehovahs witnesses ,this is about d bible.....

ijawkid:

When Jesus died where was God??

You are a modalist from ur reasoning....

When david sat on Yahwehs throne was he Yahweh??

This aint about Jehovahs witnesses ,this is about d bible

Sorry but I do not want to be drawn into a debate.

If the scripture quoted above cannot convince you , then neither can I.

However Christ is the bodily form of the fullness of the deity.

"Sacrifice and offering Thou wouldest not, but a body hast Thou prepared me" (Heb. 10:5).

A body was prepared for the manifestation of GOD himself in the form of Christ Jesus, this Christ our Lord was indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."- Matthew 1:23

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Now let's see you spin this one :

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This revelation has made me LOVE GOD even more, because of his great , deep and endless love for MAN.

frosbel:

Sorry but I do not want to be drawn into a debate.

If the scripture quoted above cannot convince you , then neither can I.

However Christ is the bodily form of the fullness of the deity.

"Sacrifice and offering Thou wouldest not, but a body hast Thou prepared me" (Heb. 10:5).

A body was prepared for the manifestation of GOD himself in the form of Christ Jesus, this Christ our Lord was indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."- Matthew 1:23

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Now let's see you spin this one :

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This revelation has made me LOVE GOD even more, because of his great , deep and endless love for MAN.

U haven't answered my question.....

When Jesus died was the heavens devoid of GOD or Yahweh??

Jesus answering Immanuel does not make him Yahweh....u might as well say all those answering Immanuel today are Yahweh......




U dnt just quote scriptures and interprete them d way u want without analyzing all the parameters involved......

From ur analogy it also means God died....

Can u hear urself??.....

Please what do u make out of this scripture...

1 corinthians 15: 27 $ 28....

Please sit back and explain it....

In trying to run away from d trinity doctrine you are embracing modalism......

I don't even knw where u stand right now....

ijawkid:

U haven't answered my question.....

When Jesus died was the heavens devoid of GOD or Yahweh??

U dnt just quote scriptures and interprete them d way u want without analyzing all the parameters involved......

From ur analogy it also means God died....

Can u hear urself??.....

Please what do u make out of this scripture...

1 corinthians 15: 27 $ 28....

Please sit back and explain it....

In trying to run away from d trinity doctrine you are embracing modalism......

I don't even knw where u stand right now....

see what happens when you keep reading that JW Bible, I quoted scripture and you cannot explain my initial comments, yet want me to go off on a tangent about something else.

Nay.

frosbel:

see what happens when you keep reading that JW Bible, I quoted scripture and you cannot explain my initial comments, yet want me to go off on a tangent about something else.

Nay.

Have I opÉned my mÓuth to tÉll u I'm a Jehovahs wÍtness??

Why draw d conclusion??


I just quoted a scripture for u as a bible student for u to tell me what u think.....

Your modalism principle does not measure up to this scripture I put up there.....

Tell me who Jesus is bÉen subject to??

And who Jesus i§ handing over d kingdom of which we know was given to him??

1 corinthians 15:27 $ 28 is 1 of those scriptures that murders both the trinity and modalism theory put together.....

I don't have a problem with Jesus being a God....

I have a problem with Jesus being Yahweh.....

Chikena!!!!!!!

frosbel:

Sorry but I do not want to be drawn into a debate.

If the scripture quoted above cannot convince you , then neither can I.

However Christ is the bodily form of the fullness of the deity.

"Sacrifice and offering Thou wouldest not, but a body hast Thou prepared me" (Heb. 10:5).

A body was prepared for the manifestation of GOD himself in the form of Christ Jesus, this Christ our Lord was indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."- Matthew 1:23

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Now let's see you spin this one :

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This revelation has made me LOVE GOD even more, because of his great , deep and endless love for MAN.

Frosbel, i highly commend the efforts, time and energy you dispense in carrying out research and trying to explain certain scriptures.

However, you have not answered the question put forth by ijawboy.

The question was: 'when Jesus died, where was God?'
Remember, critics of God and his words claimed Jesus did not die.
If truly he died for three days, would it be correct to say: 'once upon a time, the world existed without it maker for three days'?

Freksy:

Frosbel, i highly commend the efforts, time and energy you dispense in carrying out research and trying to explain certain scriptures.

However, you have not answered the question put forth by ijawboy.

The question was: 'when Jesus died, where was God?'
Remember, critics of God and his words claimed Jesus did not die.
If truly he died for three days, would it be correct to say: 'once upon a time, the world existed without it maker for three days'?

God through the Spirit , birthed a SON called Jesus Christ by his WORD , this WORD which was made flesh and dwelt among us .

On earth - Jesus Christ was a made a little lower than the angels for the sole purpose of tasting death for you and me, but in actual fact he was deity.



“But about the Son he says,Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]
He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment. " - Hebrews 1:8-11

Hebrews 2:9
New International Version (NIV)
9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


In heaven - Christ is the fullness of Deity in human immortalised form.


"to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." - Jude 1:25

Here , God is called saviour through the Lord Jesus Christ , no difference is made between the 2.

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form," - Colossians 2:9


So now we have the man Christ Jesus who is our saviour , but we also have almighty God who sits on his throne, one God and one Saviour, but in essence ONE.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For THE LORD JEHOVAH is One, and the faith is one, and the baptism is one

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

In this last scripture I quoted, tell me the difference between Christ and the Father , none !

Even the Jews at the time understood this, hence :

"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." - John 10:33

Freksy:

Frosbel, i highly commend the efforts, time and energy you dispense in carrying out research and trying to explain certain scriptures.

However, you have not answered the question put forth by ijawboy.

The question was: 'when Jesus died, where was God?'
Remember, critics of God and his words claimed Jesus did not die.
If truly he died for three days, would it be correct to say: 'once upon a time, the world existed without it maker for three days'?

A comment that should terminate the discussion. It is very clear.
I do not understand what else should be discussed after this.
My respects.

who wud hv tought dat frosbel will later change his view on trinity to a pitiful extent