AjanleKoko: Naijas sef.
Going about accumulating useless degrees. All in a bid to escape their destinies

Donxavier: . But wetin man go do? Isn't like to get job in nigeria is easy like that. Unless you re extremely connected or extremely brilliant getting a decent job in Nigeria as at today is very tough with only few making the cut, while the rest languish in frustration and desperation. To me, all this talk of 'it is better to slug it out in naija than jand' is bullshit or 'if only nigerians would apply half of the determination to go abroad to hustle in their home they would make it' is utter bollocks. Naija is in a very bad shape with things getting worse daily yet I don't deny that some are thriving. I think it depends on what works for you.

SimonAndal: Lol. So at last he changed it. He shoulda left the law in place and see UK crumble like *insert really poor country's name*

Hehe, you mean Greece?

AjanleKoko: Naijas sef.
Going about accumulating useless degrees. All in a bid to escape their destinies

Sir, you mean all Najias going to the UK for studies dey do so to 'accumulate' useless degrees?

kunlaxo:


Guy u make more than a sence..I lost a very close friend of mine (school mate@Unilag)..just 2months ago under their hash weather after accumulating Lots of pally Bsc Unilag..Mba UK..ACA..Acca uk..CIS..he complained of cold in the evening before he died and in the morning he died..The guy was genious...so painful infact i cried.....vanity upon vanity.

nakedall: some of the schools go soon close if they block the goodies that make people flow in.

Billyonaire: Which sensible Government will bar students from bringing in money into his country in exchange for knowledge ? Immigration in simple english is closing your gates against jobless foreigners. I wish everybody has my mindset, then UK will be begging people to visit them. Old school people.

AjanleKoko: Naijas sef.
Going about accumulating[b] useless degrees.[/b] All in a bid to escape their destinies

kunlaxo:


Guy u make more than a sence..I lost a very close friend of mine (school mate@Unilag)..just 2months ago under their hash weather after accumulating Lots of pally Bsc Unilag..Mba UK..ACA..Acca uk..CIS..he complained of cold in the evening before he died and in the morning he died..The guy was genious...so painful infact i cried.....vanity upon vanity.

FutureDon:

Sir, you mean all Najias going to the UK for studies dey do so to 'accumulate' useless degrees?

justwise:

Any idea where one can get useful degree?

AjanleKoko:

At least 90% of degrees they get from the UK are useless. 90 percent are MBAs, the rest a smattering of something between MSC in IT or Msc in International Business. Do you know how many people I know with these degrees, still pounding the streets in Naija, millions of Naira later?



In my opinion, medical degrees are probably the most useful, when you're talking degrees. All over the world, even in Nigeria, there's still some demand for doctors, nurses, pharmacists, etc. If you take the pains, you can prolly make a decent living for yourself.

90% of graduate degrees studied abroad by Nigerians end in 'Management'. Meaning, no particular skill is taught.

justwise:

This is strange thing coming from somebody like you, what area of IT are you referring to? Tell me any sector that can function in this present days without IT, any?. I don't know where you get your 90% from but its highly random figure and to say that there is no skill in Management is false because even the ability to manage anything at all is 'skill' in itself.

Having the ability to manage a successful business is a 'skill' that very few people have.

Everybody will not be a medical doctor, doctors/hospitals need to be managed and it takes skills.

AjanleKoko: MBA in IT is useful for what?
I'd really like to know what kind of skills you'd possess with an MBA in IT and no work experience. Or what anybody would employ you to do. To 'manage' IT?
You can't manage IT if you don't have fundamental IT experience. You can't manage what you don't know. It's just like people studying for an MBA in Oil and Gas (some UK universities are offering that also!), thinking that would land you a job in the oil and gas sector.

Someone who hasn't even learnt how to do anything, what is the use of 'management' skill to that person? Most of the UK MBA graduates just show up back in Nigeria with little or no work experience. Many end up as bank markets or telco customer service personnel if they're lucky. Some take up music and fashion designing, which begs the question why they bothered to study MBA when they could have just as well have studied fashion or music.

At least, healthcare is an area where Nigeria is sorely lacking in personnel. People who studied engineering in Nigeria relocate to the US and end up becoming nurses and physiotherapists. That alone should tell you something. Oh, and by the way, there are healthcare related admin or management courses offered to people who have foundation medical degrees. Like the master in public health, and in medical administration. I'd be surprised if they allow you to study for those degrees with any bachelor's degree.

As far as I am concerned, it would have been better if you went to the UK to study art, music, or even fashion, than some of the nondescript degrees collected by Nigerians. At least then you would have a skill. All I am saying is, don't waste your time and money.

Ajalenkoko- Oh, and by the way, there are healthcare related admin or management courses offered to people who have foundation medical degrees. Like the master in public health, and in medical administration. I'd be surprised if they allow you to study for those degrees with any bachelor's degree.

AjanleKoko: ^^
Well, what do you plan to do with the Supply Chain Management degree? It's going to set you back some couple of millions, less ticket and living expenses. Have you really thought about what you'll do with it? This thing is not a lottery, you know.

Yes, there aren't any jobs in Nigeria. Unfortunately so, but what would you expect?

Why not get a volunteer job for the experience? Or learn a trade even?
I hear these days, Canadian immigration is open only to tradesmen. I'm not being sarcastic; it is an option.

AjanleKoko: ^^
Well, what do you plan to do with the Supply Chain Management degree? It's going to set you back some couple of millions, less ticket and living expenses. Have you really thought about what you'll do with it? This thing is not a lottery, you know.

Yes, there aren't any jobs in Nigeria. Unfortunately so, but what would you expect?

Why not get a volunteer job for the experience? Or learn a trade even?
I hear these days, Canadian immigration is open only to tradesmen. I'm not being sarcastic; it is an option.

TinTin18:

I'm sorry but the bolded bit is where you're wrong. I've got a BSc in Computer Science and I've been offered a place at Warwick to study for a Masters degree in Public Health (MPH) and I also have a PhD offer in Health Policy. Need I say that I already have a Masters in Business Management so your health background theory is again wrong. At the end of the day, what the admissions committee is looking for are 1) your enthusiasm to learn, 2) your previous experience in the field of study or related and 3)your money .

P.S. I have no clinical experience whatsoever.

Okay.
So most likely, number 3 is the only reason they are admitting you. Reason 1 is hogwash in my view.

TinTin18:

If that's how you feel, that's fine. I don't think so, neither do I believe so. At the end of the day, I wrote a proposal and had an interview with my prospective supervisors. I believe that as professionaLs/specialists in their areas of interest, if they didn't see the potential in me to contribute something significant to the research community, they wouldn't have made the offer (Phd).

Speaking of Public health here in England, you can apply whether you have a clinical background or not. And if you know about Public Health and Epidemiology, you'll know it involves a lot of statistics (lots and lots of data) relating to medical type stuff. At the end of the day, if you're good in maths and statistics with a functioning brain able to remember all the medical terms, you'll be fine.

AjanleKoko:

I would rather continue in devil's-advocate mode and say, well, they have to make an offer to somebody
You seem to have lots of degrees already, and you can afford it. Logical that they would be making you the offer.

AjanleKoko: ^^
Unilever just completed a graduate recruitment exercise. That's probably the only way a fresh grad with no experience can get a job with them.
A corper who served in my department at work got a job with them earlier in the year. A Masters Degree is not a criteria for most graduate programs in MNCs, in Nigeria. Usually a good degree will suffice.

And to answer your question: Volunteer jobs abound, in volunteer organizations. Religious, or social entrepreneurship organizations. Most especially churches. Most of them maintain an extensive administrative network, and often need workers for little or no pay. Then there are lower-level jobs, in small organizations, or contract jobs. You could try to get some of them.



Okay.
So most likely, number 3 is the only reason they are admitting you. Reason 1 is hogwash in my view.

Vergil:

You never answered his question. What happens is Unilever didn't work out like he said, jobs in Nige don't? Understand you said voluntary jobs. But obviously, he can't do that for 2, 3, 4 yrs now can he?

So what could be done? You still think going out of the country is a bad idea? Bearing in mind, it's just an option

Donxavier: . But wetin man go do? Isn't like to get job in nigeria is easy like that. Unless you re extremely connected or extremely brilliant getting a decent job in Nigeria as at today is very tough with only few making the cut, while the rest languish in frustration and desperation. To me, all this talk of 'it is better to slug it out in naija than jand' is bullshit or 'if only nigerians would apply half of the determination to go abroad to hustle in their home they would make it' is utter bollocks. Naija is in a very bad shape with things getting worse daily yet I don't deny that some are thriving. I think it depends on what works for you.

AjanleKoko:

I don't particularly think going out of the country is a bad idea.
But people go out of the country, spend lots of money on accumulating degrees I consider to be useless, and come back to the country - to pursue jobs all over again. Fact is, the schools have figured this out, and have focused on marketing to Nigerians.

Vergil:

You miss a point he said. He says, instead of just siting around doing nothing, he could use that opportunity to do a masters, learn something with the free time, asides voluntary jobs (which a guy could have done for a year and still no job in Nige). So during the second year, instead of going on in a voluntary job; go for a masters (not everybody is into trading).
Although, he'd be spending money. Isn't this a good idea then? Or it's still a waste of money? Note, he could be fortunate to get experience from internships or something better.

So now, what's your take...?