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Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by kaysy(m): 6:50am On Jul 15, 2012 |
The Rector, Lagos State Polytechnic, Ikorodu, Dr. Abdulazeez Lawal, in this interview with SEGUN OLUGBILE argues that the perceived discrimination against holders of Higher National Diploma certificates is self-created http://www.punchng.com/education/discrimination-against-hnd-holders-a-self-created-problem-laspotech-rector/ |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 11:10am On Jul 15, 2012 |
I have said it times without number that the discrimination against HND holders was created by university Degree holders in government. Presently in nigeria, a dull university graduate has an edge over a skillful polytechnic graduate in terms of securing a govt job. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 6:57pm On Jul 16, 2012 |
I don't know why govt keep playing with technical education in nigeria. It is even a crime now to go to a polytechnic in nigeria, with the university graduates claiming superiority. Let's look at the educational divide, that is, polytechnic and university educational systems the same way we have denominations in christianity; that is, catholic and protestant. Can we now say the protestants are superior to the catholics? Or that the catholics are superior and better than protestants? Why and how? |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 6:36am On Jul 23, 2012 |
But on a second thought, i think the polytechnic administrators are playing politics with the HND/Bsc discrimination thing. They don't employ HND graduates in the polytechnics as lecturers, they call them instructors. This is discrimination. If the Rector wants nigerians to believe him then he should change that policy in his institution first or better let them protest against it. Charity begins at home. 1 Like |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by Emmy3(m): 3:31am On Jul 24, 2012 |
University is the ultimate anywhere in the world. How do you eXpect the same treatment to be given to a roadside electrician & an HND electrical engineer because he is equally creative like him. However, in dis era of globalization, it is true dat EFFICIENCY ought to be our prime goal. But the core factors considered in renumeration are: *lenth of training *level of training The descrimination will not stop until polytechnics operate at the level of uni. For nw no poly is up to d standard of any uni, only yabatech is meagrely up a few uni. Nt even auchi dat my bro graduated 4rm. It is even self evident when JAMB & The Senate approves 180 cut off mark for uni & 160 for poly and odas. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 11:35am On Jul 24, 2012 |
Em-my:your post stinks. And u're a university graduate. I'm not surprised at u not being able to understand and answer the simple chi-square statistics problem posted on a similar thread on NL. And u open ur mouth to insult polytechnics. U're just a disgrace to university graduates. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by gabreel: 8:41pm On Jul 24, 2012 |
WHEN I LISTEN TO SOME PEOPLE'S COMMENT ON THIS SITE. I USUALLY LAUGH. CAN I SAY THIS, UNIVERSITY AND POLYTECHNIC DICHOTOMY OR DISCRIMINATION IS ALL ABOUT LEGAL ISSUE. THERE IS NO ONE THAT IS SUB STANDARD TO ANOTHER. TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE, WE HAVE ALL SORT OF UNIVERSITY PRODUCTS THAT CAN NOT WRITE A COMPREHENSIVE APPLICATION LETTER AND WHO IS NOT FIT TO EVEN HAVE SECONDARY SCHOOL CERT. FOR EXAMPLE. GO TO LASU, AND OTHER STATE SCHOOL. YOU WILL MARVEL. CERT. IN NIGERIA IS NOW CASH AND CARRY. I PERSONALLY FOUGHT FOR THE CLAUSE WHEN I WAS STILL A STUDENTS, BUT SINCE YOU CAN 'T CLAP WITH ONE FINGER.I WAS WEIGHED DOWN BY THE THEN MEN THAT BE. THANKS GOD HAVE BLOCK MY OWN LACUNA R . WHICH EVER THE ONE YOU WANT , I HAVE IT. GLORY BE TO GOD. SO..... POLYTECHNIC IS NOT A SURROGATE TO UNIVERSITY. IT IS A MATTER OF CONSTITUTION. SO. FOR THE PEOPLE CONCERN FIGHT FOR THE AMENDMENT AND YOU SHALL WIN. BYE. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 8:47pm On Jul 24, 2012 |
gabreel: WHEN I LISTEN TO SOME PEOPLE'S COMMENT ON THIS SITE. I USUALLY LAUGH.Well done. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by Emmy3(m): 2:27pm On Jul 26, 2012 |
ishmael: your post stinks. And u're a university graduate. I'm not surprised at u not being able to understand and answer the simple chi-square statistics problem posted on a similar thread on NL. And u open ur mouth to insult polytechnics. U're just a disgrace to university graduates. If going to uni is easy, y didn't you Even in the Western World, Polytechnic is not comparable to uni |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by Emmy3(m): 2:31pm On Jul 26, 2012 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnic_(United_Kingdom) |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 2:58pm On Jul 26, 2012 |
Em-my:I did attend one in Nigeria where i bagged the so-much praised Bachelors of Science Degree (with honours). But i still insist with experimental, practical, and live proofs that university education at undergraduate level in nigeria is not as robust as what is obtainable in the polytechnics. Don't bother asking me how and why i said so, cos I passed through both systems. If u want to hear similar views, only ask those that have studied in both schools before, and not those that studied in only one of the schools. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 3:23pm On Jul 26, 2012 |
Em-my:Forget about what the British may call it today. There is no polytechnic system of education again in the UK because they have achieved all they needed to achieve with it. They are now focused on advanced research & development which is only obtainable in the university system; that is why all polytechnics today in the UK have the same status as universities. In Nigeria the definition is different. It is a hybrid institution of higher learning where people learn both theoretical and applied skills in science, technology, business, and commerce. Nigeria still needs the polytechnic for technological advancement and growth, unfortunately it is being played with. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by Emmy3(m): 4:08pm On Jul 28, 2012 |
@ishmael I know you must be aware that Nigeria is producing inefficient graduates at large. And of which, one of the deforms is most uni grad nt able to perform simple task like fashola's son who cannot change a plug. Unis hav a problem & that does nt mean poly graduates should be equated to them. . . . |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 4:32pm On Jul 28, 2012 |
Em-my:Why won't polytechnic HND graduate be equated to the university Bsc graduate? Have the uni graduates been able to show or prove in any way that they know better than the poly graduates? The problem with some of u is that u have this believe that ideally the university system should be better than the polytechnic, whereas in real sense and practically it has been proven to be false. I still have enough evidences and proofs far from assumptions why the polytechnics learn and acquire better skills and knowledge than the universities in nigeria. U have to agree here that the faulty curriculum of the university is partly responsible for why nigerian universities churn out half-baked graduates annually. The polytechnic has a robust curriculum that makes them produce competent and skillful ND and HND graduates. If i may ask, have u ever studied in any nigerian polytechnic before? Stop living in the land of assumption, it will take u nowhere. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by Gaybriel: 4:56pm On Jul 28, 2012 |
ishmael: But on a second thought, i think the polytechnic administrators are playing politics with the HND/Bsc discrimination thing. They don't employ HND graduates in the polytechnics as lecturers, they call them instructors. This is discrimination. If the Rector wants nigerians to believe him then he should change that policy in his institution first or better let them protest against it. Charity begins at home.by the grace of God, i finished my ND in laspo. And i can authoritatively tell you that they employ HND graduates especially those who came out best in their various schools. I know of one in my department then. By the grace of God, after my ND i gained admission to a Federal University of Technology. I can say with all sincerity that polytechnic is better than university in Nigeria. Poly gives you practical but Uni teach you how to cram. I'm talking from experience. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by Emmy3(m): 5:37pm On Jul 28, 2012 |
I am not saying that polytechnic grads are bad bt I am saying that university grads should nt be renumerated equally like poly grads because the training process is tougher just like MBBS & COBES holders cannot receive the same treatment. . |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by Emmy3(m): 7:28pm On Jul 28, 2012 |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by GMacbeth: 9:19pm On Jul 28, 2012 |
ishmael: But on a second thought, i think the polytechnic administrators are playing politics with the HND/Bsc discrimination thing. They don't employ HND graduates in the polytechnics as lecturers, they call them instructors. This is discrimination. If the Rector wants nigerians to believe him then he should change that policy in his institution first or better let them protest against it. Charity begins at home.well spoken my brother jst imagine that |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 2:42pm On Jul 29, 2012 |
GMacbeth: well spoken my brother jst imagine thatWhen u discriminate against ur own products why won't others do same? U're giving them reasons to believe that ur own products are pseudo-graduates, and hence the discrimination against them. |
Re: Discrimination Against HND Holders, A Self-created Problem — LASPOTECH Rector by ishmael(m): 2:51pm On Jul 29, 2012 |
Gaybriel: by the grace of God, i finished my ND in laspo. And i can authoritatively tell you that they employ HND graduates especially those who came out best in their various schools. I know of one in my department then. By the grace of God, after my ND i gained admission to a Federal University of Technology. I can say with all sincerity that polytechnic is better than university in Nigeria. Poly gives you practical but Uni teach you how to cram. I'm talking from experience.No body is saying that they don't employ them in the polytechnics. All we are saying is that they are discriminated within the poly system. HND holders are not employed as Lecturers, they have their own cadre differently. They are employed as Instructors; and cannot hold certain appointments like HOD, Dean, Registrar, Rector, etc. even after getting advanced degrees. I have friends who had HND that are in the system too. |
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