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Tightguy: Who remembers that guy that scored a goal against ChelseaFC in the FA Cup & was later drafted to the SuperEagles ? That dude was a super flop both for country and later for his clubside.

Kayode Odejayi...... My grandma GOD bless her soul would have done a better job whilst wearing stilettos.

Idowuogbo:
U sef see am? Oga dey wash n wear, e con b like say e wan enter guiness book of records. OGA FIDELIS, sofri sofri o

......Amadioha will visit you this early mor mor

SpaceGoat: if you view this and dont comment you will die.

May Amadioha visit you tonight and impregnate you with sextuplets!

logica: That was why I say you don't know how to read plays. The wingers' runs were enough to worry and confuse both the Belgians and English. And it almost worked out exactly the same way against the Germans as well; only this time he decided to make a through pass to Burruchaga after having left 2/3 Germans in his wake for the 3rd goal.
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What play do I need to read mbanu?...... Maradona ran straight at the heart of belgian defence and you are telling you it was his team mates that caused the confusion and commotion? He decided to make the through pass because he knew that was the most sensible thing to do at that point.

logica:
Once again, Maradona did NOT have an average Final. People like you only measure performance with goals. I was using the same metric you guys used to measure Maradona in the 1986 Final. And in the Final, which once again I watched live, Maradona definitely did not have an average game. And neither did Messi.

Where did you hear me he had an average final? He had an average finals when compared to his QF and SF exploits was my statement. And he certainly did. It's not even up for debate. And btw Diego did not have a great finals but it was much better than Messis.

Whether you watched it live or watched the replay on Jupiter or Saturn is off little relevance here....

ddippset: -in 1970 pele scored 4 goals, his team mates scored 16 goals.
- in 1986 maradona scored 5 goals , his team mates scored 9 goals.
-in 2014 messi scored 4 goals, his team mates scored 3 goals;

The business end is what counts the most.....

coogar:

your memory needs protein.
ferdinand was the best defender in the entire league in 12/13 season. he was in the PFA team. smalling's development took a hit when he was being played as a RB cos he couldn't get ahead of rio/vidic axis. as a central defender, there's no english player better than him sef. he's extra solid!

So it is now Smalling is a better central defender than Cahill? As this rate Smalling will be rated higher than Tony Adams sef.

ddippset: bros leave maradona, we agree maradona is better than messi, talk ronaldo.

loool.....I talk say Maradona better ni? Wetin I talk nah Mara in 86 had a better tourney than Messi in 14..

Wetin be my concern with Ronaldo? I resemble Madrid or United fan ni? Abi I resemble one of his fan boyz?

Or is it clear for all to see Messi had the much better world cup?

logica: If you can ask me "which wingers he used" I don't think I even need to "argue" with you again. I watched the games live, and even today I still check the clips. If you don't know how to look for the videos (and I doubt that will even help you because I doubt you know how to read a game or play) I cannot help you.

Secondly, if all it takes to perform in a WC Final is to make one assist, then I can name many more names who "performed" far better than Maradona.

No be only you sabi watch clip. Mesef don watch am. You really do need to watch it again. Maradona needed no wingers to act as decoys as he waltzed through the belgian and English defence. That was all him.

His performances up that point were astounding. Although he had an average finals compared to his 2 goals heroics in the QF and SF games, He still proved decisive.

logica:
Uh huh...with 2 goals if he was playing handball combined with football. Yes, his "best goal of the century" even got plenty of assist from his wingers whom he used to distract the English all the way to the goal.

Handball or not, He was the best player on the pitch that day.
Which wingers did you see him use to distract the English? .

logica:
As in above, his wingers useful runs contributed.

Again I ask which wingers?

logica:
Long and short, the contribution of Valdano and Burruchaga cannot be underestimated. If Messi only had one winger in their mould (like Di Maria) in the Semi-Final and Final, then we can compare to Maradona.

If's and but's ........All hypothetical situations. Fact remains whilst one performed, the other failed to.

coogar:

smalling was a top defender under fergie. no young defender would easily displace rio/vidic. no defender in germany or italy could have displaced rio/vidic - it was the reason pique left for barcelona & became an instant cult hero there.

so what are you saying?

smalling was simply solid/ok under Fergie nothing more. Rio's last good season was probably 2009 or 2010. If smalling was top class, he should have been pushing hard but he wasn't. He needs to improve!

coogar:

you still don't get it.....
moyes screwed up united players. under fergie, there's no way jaglieka would be chosen ahead of any united defender. moyes took us to 7th.....below everton & spurs. that automatically made all united players mediocre. even rooney was moved wide for wet-behind-the-ears sterling.

would that have happened had united won the title last season?

We both agree that under a decent manager United would never have finished 7th last season. Still does that make Smallings (who was no closer to getting first team footy in his favoured position under Moyes than he was under Fergie) a better defender or does it?

ddippset: in 1986, Maradona had 5 goals one of them was a handball. Valdano scored 4 goals. Burruchaga scored 2 goals, Brown, Pasculli, and Ruggieri each scored 1 goal. in 2014, messi scored 4 goals, de maria 1, higuain 1. dont believe the hype; see how much help maradona had, and they want to kill messi! all these closet ronaldo fans.


LET ME POST IT AGAIN, THEY ARE PRETEND NOT TO SEE IT.

Whilst also forgetting to post Maradona's stats come the business end of the competition

Let me post those stats for all to see

QF - 2 GOALS
SF - 2 GOALS
FINALS - CREATED THE WINNING GOAL!!!

ddippset: you can keep their words while we keep a silver medal and a golden boot. we're all even arent we? of course we are.

I think those two would happily keep their world cup winners medal to go with their Golden Ball thank you very much.

coded01:
You can take his dirty words & drugs!
But he couldn't & would never reach Messi's level ever again! --- World Cup Trophy Is Still In Progress...

Errrrrr think he's already done that and surpassed it by a bit see . Don't you think?

coogar:

smalling is 100 times better than boateng! his stock dipped because of that useless moyes that screwed our entire season up. if the world cup year was the season we won by 8 points, virtually all the english united players would have started for england.

You must be talking about another smalling i have never heard off. Cahill i can accept. Think he is still that bit ahead but Smalling? Chris Smalling? Smalling formerly of Fulham? Certainly not. He should be more bothered about trying to get a game as a first team regular in his favoured position. Then worry about how to displace Jagielka in the England first eleven.

coogar:

in place of metersacker, boateng & howedes. these players are basic as fück! you see, they were all carried through. one thing germany have always had is a strong spine.

neuer-hummels-schweini-kroos-muller.

once this is sorted, it's easier to fit in others & they would be carried along. schweini was practically down on his last gasp of breath in that final, defending like a spartan!

boateng ko, shipteng ni.

Per is a bench warmer when everyone's fit so that leaves just two places up for grabs since It's safe to say none of those lot would displace lahm or Mats.

Now of those two places up for grabs, let's say Cahill is better than Boateng(think he is still slightly better). That now leaves one spot. You telling me Jones and smalling are better than Boateng? Players that can't command regular shirts for club or country better than Boateng? You must be having a laugh mate.

The same Smalling many journalists are saying should never put on a three lions shirt again? When I see either smalling or Jones put in the kind of performance Boateng did on Sunday night maybe then we can start to debate who the best player of the lot is

coded01:

I wish those commenting on the above topic could come on Nairaland & blast these haterz on here...


Those are the guys that know what football really is about...

No thanks! ...... I'd rather take Maradona's and Kempes's words

coogar:

cahill, jones, smalling, etc will walk into your first team.

looool in place of whom exactly? .......

fredoooooo:
and chiellini

Cynthia uwak dey find you. She wants the D

Nihilist:
The same Boateng that DK is hyping now, is the one he was lamenting about before the Real Madrid game because quote 'their attackers could hurt them'.

Think he was more concerned with Pep's high defensive line than anything else. I remember having that argument with him and Baba 40

Katsumoto: Boateng is no passenger and he certainly was one of the best players at the WC.

He was easily one of the best defenders at the world cup.

Ashantiking:

Exactly, whose name gets called more than Ballotelli on the italian team. Even their best pirlo don't get mention as much as Ballotelli.

Errrrr.... He does. Andrea controls and dictates the tempo of the game so He is more often than not on the ball.

homesteady:
without his goals and assist where will the defenders be? back in Argentina I guess!

In the knockout stage ba?

ddippset: wtf are you talking about? were you not the one listing goals and assists as if to say that automatically the player who gets the highest goals and assists becomes the best player? what do you mean by fire blanks at the knock out stage? whether fire blanks or not you played in the final. fire blanks or not he was man of the match 4 times. in his last 3 games he created chances for higuain and palacios only for them to throw away. if they had scored would he not be on 4 or more assists? goal or no goal messi was the reason we had germany versus argentina at the maracana. otherwise it could have been germany versus belgium or germany versus holland. robben too did not score in the knock outs, he ran away from taking a penalty which could have qualified netherlands, he scored only 3 goals, he had a lot of dribbles and dives- so how should he beat messi to the golden ball? muller scored 5 goals but he wasnt an impact player, germany would have won the world cup even without him -thats why you people keep calling kroos, schwein, lahm and co to win the award too. guy abeg chill make we go sleep. messi must be hugging his golden ball as we speak, no vex.

Loool because I think Messi should have been nowhere near the top three Of golden ball candidates automatically means I hate one of the greatest football players to lace a pair of boots abi? Okay o

Unlike you though I deal with facts and figures. I also don't let emotions cloud my judgement. For a player to win the Golden ball, He should have done something tangible and in Messis case that means Goals and Assists not 1001 dribbles, 20 fouls against and what not.

The four MOTM awards given to him by the same people that gave him the golden ball is of no surprise. Good for him though. There you again dealing in hypothetical situations. Ifs, buts, what not and so forth. Why not just simply deal with the laid bare stats on ground eh? Anyways don't know why you're bringing Robben into this discussion when I have made it known from the start my player of the tournament is JAMES/HAMES RODRIGUEZ!!!

Dhelake: Tell me one useful thing Messi did tonight. Had 9 dribbles abi?? Missed a clear goal scoring chance??

Nah wetin I read for Barca thread be that o. Nah simple question person ask o. In your opinion why do you think Messi was deserving of the Golden Ball? Nah so I hear he had the record no of dribbles. Imagine the rubbishes

Dhelake: I never see this Coded01 guy to come spam this thread with Messi's pictures as usual

..... Leave Coded01 alone o. That nah my guy.

logica: I believe you know a bit about football don't you? Now tell me, what year did a player that did not reach the last 4 (Semi Final) win the Golden Ball at the World Cup? I am waiting...

So the best player in any tournament should be decided on how far his team went and not on how well this said individual performed abi? There's nothing to tell here I'm afraid. Irrespective of how far both player's team went, Rodriguez still had the much better tourney.

ddippset: and that is why for ages there has been a difference between the golden ball and the golden boot. if goals and assists solely determined the most valuable player then the golden boot and the golden ball would be merged into one award. and that is why a cannavaro or a zidane or a kahn would win the award, surely this category of players never get the highest goals and assists now, do they?. see simple example for ya front you nor fit see!

Since when where defenders and keepers judged on how many goals they scored or created? Silly me here i was thinking they were judged by the no of goals they conceded

Btw the Zidane you called scored in two separate cup finals. Also not once do i remember firing blanks at the business end of the competition. Lastly, Canna's tourney in 06 was infinitely better than Messis (06,10 and 14 combined)

logica: Watch him come back to tell us Arjen Robben should've won it; failing to remember that Robben just like Messi only scored in the group stage!

James Rodriguez!....Player of the tournament!

ddippset: sorry to say and pardon me but this is stvpidity being taken to a higher level. are goals supposed to be counted to determine a player's performance? na wa o! make una dey use una heads na!

Beg to differ. I think you've taken stupidity to the highest possible level. That level is so high it can never be beaten.

If goals and assists are not to be considered when judging a player's overall performance then what is to be considered? Selling guguru, epa and palmy in the field of the play?

fredoooooo:

why e no go be , when be say na cortana you run go meet when you go exile

thunder go strike you today u just wait and see . Isiewu!!!

nitlad:

But they were. . .

When you have idiöts like Higuain, Palacio et al to thank for spunning golden chance after golden chance, then your middle name na LUCKY.

How was Higuain's chances any more golden than say Hoewedess' s was?

coogar:

messi won 4MOTM but he played 7 games. james won 3 MOTM in just 5 games. james won the golden boot in spite of playing only 5 games. he's by far the best player in the tournament, without a shadow of doubt!

Still don't know how those FIFA waste men arrived at that baffling conclusion to be frank.

Mcleo007:

9 dribbling occasions in one match. Highest ever!

what won't I hear on NL?

So 9 dribbling occasions in one match means he deserves the golden ball abi? .

How about one assist and no goals in the knock out phase? Even the much maligned Luiz actually scored a goal in the knock out phase of the world cup.

Those are glaring FACTS you simply can't twist or turn to suit you. And neither can you deny it too

ElGuapo:

I'm preparing the flops' line-up



One word 'Super'!

I've always thought Brazil, Mexico and Spain had the best chicks.

Oh Germany - Infact I'm visiting Frankfurt next week

Can I tag along with you in your suitcase please?

J12: Ol'boy shun matter. If Higuain and Palacio converted their chances, the outcome would have been different.

If Germany had turned their first half dominance into goals, we won't be having this discussion now. How Hoewedess managed to hit the post despite being unmarked 4 yards out I'd never know

elampiro:

Messi. No sentiment.

Messi was MOTMTechnical T4 matches, if I am not mistaking. Only Robben had a similar feat.

Why won't He Win 4 MOTM awards when it's the same so called "Technical Team" doing the judging?
He wasnt even the best Argentine at the mundial. Mascherano had a better tourney sef

MrTA: Best tournament in my lifetime. Sad its over, as I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Definitely agree...... If not the best, it's in my top two.

coogar:
james rodriguez was the MVP, fück FIFA & their nonsense technical team. nobody was able to top the 6 goals rodriguez scored since the quarter-final. he scored at least one goal in every game.
even the BBC pundits all said messi didn't deserve the award. rio was baffled. shearer said messi didn't do enough & alan hansen kept asking how FIFA arrived at such a horrible conclusion.

Don't mind those old souls at FIFA.
I'd like to see a page by page analysis on how the old
farts came to such a lousy decision.