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Family / Re: Violence: Again The Double Standards by chic2pimp(m): 8:39pm On Sep 11
Anyone who knows me know I am a big Ray Rice fan but I insist He should have known better than hit Her.
There are other methods He could and really should have used to restrain Her. Retorting to violence should have been the last of those available options. Even more so a public persona whose actions are likely to get double and triple scrutinized.

Much like Michael Vick, this single act of violence has pretty much ruined a hall of fame career. Such a waste!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 8:07pm On Sep 09
afrodoc2: [/b]

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Definitely shots fired cheesy

The young turk squaring off with the pezzonovante cheesy Front seat booked

Chei u too like fights haba? cheesy. Nah so so shots fired u dey shout up and down. U sef fire your own nau tongue
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 9:08pm On Sep 08
Leyqute: I hope the Swiss sodomize England today so they could see how lazy they've been.

If only wishes were horses.......Anyhoo!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 9:04pm On Sep 08
GOOOOALĹLLLLL!!!!...... C'MON LADS LET'S BE HAVING YOU!

THREE LIONS ON THE SHIRT, JULES RIMET DREAMING smiley smiley smiley

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 10:54pm On Sep 07
Katsumoto:

But Hansen, and by extension coogar, is right about the Makelele role

Makelele Role - for those midfield anchors who can't join attack or are instructed not to join attack. grin grin grin grin grin

Nah so we see am so grin grin

Nevermind redefined Maka invented the DM role in footy sef. The likes of Rijkaard and Lothar(in his latter years) have him to thank grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 10:49pm On Sep 07
coogar:

chelsea had to sell players - FFP was coming for them. have you read his last interview. they have to keep selling every season now to balance the books.

he sold luiz too - should we also say luiz is weak little boy who cannot protect the ball? mata was chelsea's best player throughout his time there until mourinho arrived.

how was he their best player for 2 consecutive seasons if he's weak?

Are you saying chelsea decided to sell mata just to adhere to the FFP rules? Wasnt it more like they saw him as a weakling whose services they could make do without?

Luiz that was being villified from pillar to post. They would have bitten the hands of any team willing to offer £30M never mind 50M.

He was weak because he contributed very little in the big games. When the chips are down Mata is not your man CHIKENA!. For the example Chelsea's run to CL glory in 2012.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 10:41pm On Sep 07
coogar:

keane won a treble, vieira won the double & even went unbeaten. there was gilberto silva in the league too. let's even assume these english pundits don't have the means to watch UCL & they are blind selectively when european clubs come to england to play......

you mean hansen just chose makelele out of the more than 20 super world class midfielders the english league had produced before 2003? cheesy grin hansen must be shaggïng makelele then to name-role him while ignoring hoddle, scholes, robson, petit, etc.

biko, look for another excuse.

Chale you'd have to go ask Hansen why he decided to call it the Makalele Role. No other country's journalist calls it that. Maybe unlike their British counterparts, other countries journos have been fortunate to have seen better DM who knows. All I know was the short man was far from the being best DM ever
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 10:21pm On Sep 07
coogar:

mata was very solid at chelsea. if he gets fouled, the referees don't hesitate to blow for infringement. besides, the movement of chelsea forwards are very swift & fluid. he doesn't dwell much on the ball to even get caught in possession.


So why was Mou willing to offload him then? Surely He knows something we don't no?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 10:18pm On Sep 07
coogar:

if he's not the best, why was the role named after him?
And I keep telling you it was none other than the English journos(Alan Hansen probably started it on MOTD) that called it just that.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 10:15pm On Sep 07
coogar:

i also believe silva & mata get referee protection than mata. mata gets fouled a lot and those evil referees just look away because mata plays for man utd. referees don't want to be branded as being bribed by united like the howard webb situation.


How about when Mata was at Chelsea? Did he get little protection then too? Isn't this not the same Mata that divided opinions at chelsea even when stats seem to show he was their best player for 2 consecutive years?

Ibime:
Mata lacks some kind of strength, stamina and ball protection that other small guys have. Mata is a 12 year old playing football with adults.

Nah chelsea fan be dis o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 10:10pm On Sep 07
coogar:

so you don't agree uncle claude was a specialist?
Your arguement was that he was the best ever DM and my arguement was that He is far from it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 10:07pm On Sep 07
afrodoc2: . When the passing option is not on Silva and Iniesta are quite good at shielding the ball or dribbling past their marker with a sudden burst of speed and trickery.

The shielding of the ball is the biggest difference here imo. Silva and most especially iniesta's ball protection is so good it makes the size of the opposition an afterthought. Reason why I have always considered Silva the better player(even at valencia)
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 9:59pm On Sep 07
A40:
Propaganda no be sere kambia oo! I would list 10 DMs who had been playing at that position before Makelele and who were better before I finish my tumbler of scoochies. Ogini? MAKA-gini?

Wahlai tahlai i dey tell u. Imagine the rubbishes person dey read sef. Maka- lembe lembe o grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 9:12pm On Sep 07
coogar:
i remember watching the final of the new champions league - it was marseille & abedi pele doing africa proud. even though we ain't from ghana, nigerians rooted for marseille just because of abedi pele.

Abedi Africa's greatest ever Playmaker. I remember his short stint in Serie A too.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 6:08pm On Sep 07
A40:
This is one of the biggest myths and urban legends in football. You would be suprised at just how many people think Makelele invented or perfected the DM role I can't help but chuckle each time I see it

Absolutely one of the biggest myths in Footy History.
As I keep saying what did Makalele do that hasn't been done before?

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 6:00pm On Sep 07
hensben: bro you have a very low football knowledge no offence, chelsea just rise to stardom and you expect them to win ucl just like that...you think say ucl na moi moi grin. Sir alex ferguson spent 27 years at man united and won just 2 ucl says a lot about the tournament.

Coming from you, I take absolute no offence whatsoever. Your footy knowledge is limited to the English league and even at that i don't even think you know much about the league anyways

Del Bosque won it twice in 3 seasons. So did Pep
Ancelotti has won it three times now. So why use Fergie as the yardstick.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 5:54pm On Sep 07
hensben: lie! they call it 'the makelele role' worldwide, go figure.
What a load of poppycocks. Show me articles prior to 2004 where the so called Makalele role was mentioned?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 2:10am On Sep 07
coogar:
he would have carried on winning for them. he was the missing link. madrid already had the attacking platform but none of the galacticos was willing to track back & do the dirty work. makelele was the man for the dirty job & they sold him.
what proof do you have that they would have won after all Makaleke did not win another one till he retired? Or why did they not win another one in his 2 other seasons?...... The missing link was Del Bosque not Makalele abeg.

coogar:
i remember a troglodyte named dayokanu saying the same about busquets in 2010 until busquets destroyed schweinsteiger & khedira in south africa. winning possession & retaining it is the most vital part in football.
so are we comparing france to madrid now? or what's the comparison for?
Lest we forget Sergio for all his greatness had XavIniesta who were pretty much Molesting all and sundry. Also Sergio has more to his game than Claude ever had. He actually could and does deliver defence splitting passes

Why Are we comparing France to Portugal and it is generally acknowledged that the French had the much better team? Even still at that they both won nada for their respective countries.

coogar:
specialist in tackling. makelele would tackle an aircraft and win the ball cleanly. he's too good! better than all these goats you have around these days......especially those ones in bayern lying to themselves they are DM. grin

So tackling is his speciality? Okay o grin

I think we should leave out Bastian(others can be included) from this discourse.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 1:45am On Sep 07
Horayce:
Winning trophies is not the only yardstick of success, Chelsea became relatively more competitive in europe than Madrid. Appearing in more semis/advanced stages for example. Madrid couldnt get beyond the round of 16 for 7-8 straight seasons if i recall correctly. It wasn't all down to Makelele to be sure, but his influence was undeniably felt.

Well for a Big club like Madrid winning trophies is the Main yardstick. Madrid fans and hierarchy alike could care less about the amount of CL semis they have played in any given period of time. Anything short of the title is seen as a failure. Madrid's failures had nothing to do with Makalele abeg. Other factors like Perez's crazy transfer policy and firing Del Bosque after he had delivered two CL trophies in 3 years are to be blamed

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 1:32am On Sep 07
raumdeuter:

What made madrid tick between 1998 and 2002 are many and makelele is the least of them. Often time he was just a passenger on the field which would explain why Del Bosque yanked him off the field in the lone CL finals he has claims to

So you mean the Engine of the team, the man who made them tick, the man without whom they would not have won the title was taken off the pitch at a time when Leverkusen were pressing hard for the equaliser? INCREDIBLE!

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 1:23am On Sep 07
coogar:

no, i am saying madrid would have won more in the 2000s had makelele stayed. he was already familiar with his madrid team-mates with an excellent chemistry. bringing chelsea into the fray is a redudant argument.

What proof do you have that Madrid would have more had he stayed? Or isn't this the same Maka that won no CL trophy before or after he left madrid?

coogar:
no, they wouldn't have!
they had no engine. zidane described makelele as the engine of the team. hierro said claude was their best player if you disregard the statistics. they know him better than you do, i would rather listen to them than listen to you & dayo.
how many world cup finals did he reach with portugal? how many european championships did he win? paolo who? once again - you are comparing a general practitioner to a brain surgeon.
Which Engine? Engine that could do more than operate in a 5m area of the pitch not so? Ofcourse they were his ex teammates and in Zizou's case still a team mate for the National team so was bound to say that. Imagine Hierro saying we should disregard stats? What next?

How many titles did Maka win as a starter for France?

Paolo Sousa was viewed as the better player till the makalele hype went into overdrive.


coogar:
that's because the others who would have said so can't speak english - and you wouldn't understand whatever it was they musta said about makelele. the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence. grin
there's a difference between a specialist and a general purpose individual. the specialist is 100% focused on a particular role & he does it to death. the general purpose dude has a general idea over everything but he can never be as good in the role the specialist is trained to do.
this is why claude is the greatest!

Ofcourse that was the reason nah. grin Nothing to do with English journalist hyping up a player cheesy.

Specialist in what exactly? Staying in one spot all match long? Abi what exactly did He do that others have not only done but done it much better before?

Maybe the Greatest in Chelsea FC history sha.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 12:37am On Sep 07
Katsumoto:

This was the same Madrid that won two CL titles in 1998 and 2000 (with Redondo as Anchor 98, 2000 and Captain in 2000) before Makelele joined. Now Makelele is the reason Madrid didn't win for 10 years.

Nevermind that Chelsea didn't win the CL with Makelele.

Kats you dey read my post ni? grin. Pretty much what i wrote really.

I wonder who we will blame for Bayern's failure to win the CL from 01 till 2013 or Milan failing to win it from 94 til 03 or liverpool's barren period from 84 till 05?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 12:19am On Sep 07
coogar:

because chelsea aren't traditionally a champions league giant. you just don't join a big club spending money & win the champions league. there's a tradition to this & a technical know-how! if he had joined a european powerhouse like ac milan, liverpool, united or bayern, he would have won the CL

So are you now saying the reason why Maka did not win another CL trophy was because he did not join a big enough club who would won it anyways regardless of whether claude joined them or not?

So you admit Real would have won it in 02 regardless of makakele's participation? After all this was the same club that won in 98 and 00 with Nando Redondo orchestrating plays from the DM/CM position.

coogar:
paulo sosa was never a specialist - i dunno why his name is being brought up. we are talking about a specialist & you are bringing up a no-mark name to sway an argument.
so you are a security officer whose job is to open the gate, sweep the surrounding for invaders, watch CCTV, etc
and another man just stays by the gate. nothing concerns him with CCTV or looking for invaders in the premises. his speciality is just the gate. he could tell from the knock on a gate whether it's a man or a woman or a kid. they call this man a gateman or used his name(kasali) to describe his role.
you mean the first security officer = kasali?

How can Sousa a member of Portugal's golden gen be a no name? A player that was more famous than Maka before the Maka hype went into overdrive a no name? If not for the injuries that pretty much cut his career short, You would have heard more about him.

I keep hearing about the defensive mid spot being named after Makalele but I am yet to hear anyone apart from Alan Hansen and a couple of english journos call it just that.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 11:54pm On Sep 06
coogar:
makelele had the role named after him - you are now screaming like a rhesus monkey that matthaus was a defensive midfielder.

Who apart from the English Journos calls it the "Makalele Role"?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 11:48pm On Sep 06
coogar:

his own teammates said makelele's departure was the reason they failed to reach the high standard they had set before .
If He was the reason why they never reached the high standard they set beforehand then why didn't He win the CL afterwards with chelsea?

Paulo Sousa as Dayo mentioned earlier has got more of a case than Makalele. Not only did He win the CL the very next season with Dortmund but also Juve are yet to taste CL sucess since he left them
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 9:38pm On Sep 06
Katsumoto:

Madrid winning the Champions league 10 years after the last one had nothing to do with Makelele. Did Madrid not win without Makalele? Or did Chelsea win the CL with Makelele?

Was actually going to say let's stop all this rubbish about Makalele's departure being the reason for Madrid's failure to win the big ears.

raumdeuter:
This is an article that listed Defensive midfielders. When someone tells you to find anything on the interwebs that call any other player a DM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/231097-greatest-ever-football-the-top-10-defensive-midfielders-of-all-time

Dayo did not have to dig deep sef before He found an article
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 9:32pm On Sep 06
raumdeuter:

I remember the Juventus defence of the late 90's

Ciro Ferrara, Torricelli, Birindelli, Iuliano, Pessoto, Montero

Those guys were hack masters

Not forgetting Tacchinardi who sent Oliseh out of Juve

Not forgetting Petr "Czar" Vierchwood.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 9:25pm On Sep 06
coogar:

he didn't reinvent it - he invented it.

until makelele, find one article on the internet that ever described rijkaard, ardilles, redondo, vieira, keane, scholes, petit as a defensive midfielder.

they were all central midfielders - they never had the specialist role of sitting in one role like a tank. that's the difference. redondo was räping united defenders by the touchline & putting a beautiful cross into the box for raul to score - na defensive midfielder be that?

supposing united intercepted that cross & countered, where would redondo be? did you ever see makelele jogging back to after being caught out? the ball was never behind makelele. he was always in front of the ball!

abeg, there's no one like claude!

I'm sure if I dig a little i'll find an article referring to Frank or Desailly as a defensive mid. Prior to Makalele coming to england, you won't find any article that referred to the position as Makalele's(and he had been playing that position for years before moving to England).

Redondo could play either as a defensive midfield or as a Central Midfielder. He was that talented. What would Makalele be doing that far up the pitch? He'll be lost. His skillset was limited as Kats mentioned. Rijkaard was as hard(started off as a no nonsense defender) and intelligent(could read the play perfectly) as they come but He still went forward because He had that ability.

Probably not one could have done the not moving more than 5 yard position better but abeg He did not invent nada.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Pride Of London by chic2pimp(m): 8:43pm On Sep 06
coogar:




that's exactly the point - until makelele, the role others played was simply central midfielder. makelele's sitting role invented the defensive midfielder.

likewise, the maestros who started operating between the lines invented the attacking midfielder role. before then, they were just midfielders or central midfielders. they went backward & forward at will..........they weren't specialists like makelele.

How exactly did Makalele reinvent the defensive midfield position? You mean by moving a haul of no more than 5yards either way from the position He started the match from He somehow reinvented that position?
Education / Re: The Ten Most Educated Countries In The World. by chic2pimp(m): 8:34pm On Sep 06
horlabiyi: UK on the list?? Haha you must be kidding

More like I would have been extremely surprised if the UK wasn't in the top 5 never mind top 10

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