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Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 8:54am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:Where did i say there was nothing before we discovered those things? I said it's possible that the universe can come from nothing. And you claim to know the definition of nothing better than physicists so I want us to analyze this based on your definition of nothing. What is that something that the physicist didn't account for in their definition of nothing? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 10:06am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch:Now because you are NOT sure if ENERGY is CONSERVED in quantum spaces, therefore it is NOT conserved (and I should go and read my old fashioned physics)? Is the First law of thermodynamics a Newton's law? The first law of thermodynamics seems to be the most basic of all Physics laws and in your wise ignorance, hiding under some vague quantum physics, you claim it has been violated?!!! Even Dark Matters obey this basic law. Do you even make sense to yourself? Your eminence just said that the First law of thermodynamics is NOT valid!? You see why I question your comprehension of simple physics!? You act just like my dictionary vocabulary school mate who always try to use big English to impress everyone yet Goofing in simple grammar! This is what you've said in simple terms ME: Is 3 +4 equal 7? YOU: No, we cannot be sure because in quantum physics, every known law break down so that 3+4 is not 7 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 10:15am On Nov 06, 2021 |
LordReed:Of cause, the Will is influenced (but ) NOT determined by every external source. Every Temptation is a force that influences my will, I determine whether to yield or NOT to the temptation. I have once fought with a boy who was obviously bigger and older than me. But I took a stand even though I was convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that he could effortlessly beat me up. The question is: why did I CHOOSE not to chicken out of the fight in the face of the obvious? That is why the definition of FREEWILL is not complete without mentioning the effect of EXTERNAL CONSTRAINTS and INFLUENCES. Check the Definition from our previous post TenQ: |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by LordReed(m): 10:25am On Nov 06, 2021 |
TenQ: You sound more like a compatibilist. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:39am On Nov 06, 2021 |
TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 10:40am On Nov 06, 2021 |
LordReed:I doubt if I want to give myself any label with respect to Freewill and Determinism. But within the limit of my knowledge and understanding, I have stated (and I think CONSISTENTLY) what Freewill is. In this world, many things are DETERMINED eg Day and Night, Life and Death, Need to Eat, etc BUT So many other things are NOT determined. Disasters, Election Results, Epidemic, Accidents. Your Freewill Operates irrespective of whether events around you are determined or not determined. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 11:02am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: What I'm saying is nothing shouldn't really have any definition whatsoever |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by orunto27: 10:17pm On Nov 06, 2021 |
Good Question. God is Everything. The Determined Cause of Everything is God. The Light of God in us is our Free Will and Conscience. The Spirit to Dominate The Free Will of others is Autocracy not Democracy. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by orunto27: 10:38pm On Nov 06, 2021 |
Good Question. God is Everything. The Determined Cause of Everything is God. The Light of God in us is our Free Will and Conscience. The Spirit to Dominate The Free Will of others is Autocracy not Democracy. Just two case study:- 1; The use of RIFA-RUGA, ISLAMISATION, FULANISATION AND ANARCHY POLICY by The Federal Government vitiates The Free Will of The various State Governments. THAT IS AUTOCRACY. 2, The Approval of "Paying Banking System" to MTN & AIRTEL BY CBN WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF NASS IS FRAUDULENT AND AN OPEN LICENCE TO MONEY LAUNDRY UNLIMITED. FROM ORISA37 |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by orisa37: 6:31am On Nov 07, 2021 |
BUHARI IS THE DETERMINED CAUSE OF NIGERIA'S PRESENT BOKONOMICS BUT THAT SHOULD NOT DISTURB THE FREE WILL OF THE RIGHTEOUS NIGERIANS. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 6:33am On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:Shut up and stick to what we know. Don’t try to make things up. That’s what religion does with god, making jargons up because we don’t know yet. It’s better not to know that to assume nonsense. What’s difficult in waiting until we find out before making stuffs up |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 6:36am On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:illiterate, dark matter and energy doesn’t obey basic laws. We are yet to understand them perfectly as well. Stop making stuffs up, how can you say dark matter that is an antigravity obeys basics laws. Stop talking science, just stop talking science. Everytime to try to talk science, you make a mistake |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by orisa37: 6:39am On Nov 07, 2021 |
He is coming back soon to REBUILD NIGERIA. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 6:44am On Nov 07, 2021 |
Crystyano:So what level of research have you done to conclude a physics definition is wrong? I really want to know how many particles and part of the universe you have observed and experimented on as a person to have the boldness to say a physics definition is all wrong. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by orisa37: 6:51am On Nov 07, 2021 |
The Devil determinedly caused The Temptation to turn Stones into BREAD but His Free Will remains SUPREME. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 6:58am On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch:Your seem like a master of lies! Twisting the truth like your father satan!!! And I am not surprised, like father like son! Just like I said in my previous post, you can forever silence falsehood by just Quoting me. You are trying to hide your lack of comprehension of basic physics with blatant lies!!!!!! ?? Let me test your comprehension of simple physics: Does Dark Matter disobey the law of Thermodynamics? 1 Like |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:02am On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:we don’t understand dark matter yet. Wait and don’t make stuffs up. Law of thermodynamics in the quantum world is tricky, an observer doesn’t see them obeyed. This is basic quantum physics and it’s not my problem if you are stuck in 1900 physics |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 7:20am On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch:Common sense tells us to tread with CAUTION with respect to warnings when you are not sure UNTIL adequate evidence show the contrary Example:' Don't put your hand into that hole, a snake is inside Response 1: No one has seen any snake, therefore we should stick our hands inside Response 2: Even though no one has seen the snake, it may or may not be there lets not just stick our hands inside What you really don't know yet is Physics check your quote below and not about God Workch: Yours is a REJECTION of God and His Light |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Myer(m): 7:28am On Nov 07, 2021 |
LordReed: Do you disagree that man has freewill? Cos that rather seems obvious. Yes we are all products of cause and effect. Creation happened and now we are all here. Our parents copulated and produced us. The choices of those who raised us (our parents or guardians) together with ours shapes us to a certain age. After which we become the masters of our own universe. From a certain age, you certainly hold the power of your own choices and invariably your own cause. The effect of which are often unpredictable. Freewill does not mean you're immune from a cause. There's no ultimate immunity from cause. Freewill simply means that you have the power and prerogative to make your own choice. You're faced with two or more options, you have the power to decide which option to choose. That is what I believe Freewill is. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by A001: 7:42am On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch:A true vacuum doesn't exist in reality. Have you come across one? The universe can be self-created or can come from an earlier one existing beyond space and time (beyond the Big Bang) that's self-created. That's my own position. I think the notion of philosophies such as Hermetic, Otemic, or Thoth as regards the origin of the universe is the correct one. But with time, science will shed light on the issue. Nothing doesn't exist in nature as there's no vacuum that's 100% lacking in matter. When physicists use the term vacuum or free space, you need to note it's an ideal (not a real) term. There are different examples of such ideal terms in (Theoretical) Physics such as ideal gas, absolute zero temperature, a black body (an ideal radiator). None of these exist in reality. But they're important for modeling and development of hypotheses and theories. Idealization in Physics has its roots in the Platonic world of mathematical forms. This is purely abstract and has a form of existence different from the physical kind. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 8:04am On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch:I am not asking you to repeat meaningless rhetorics on top of LIES I asked you a basic Question Let me test your comprehension of simple physics: Does Dark Matter disobey the law of Thermodynamics? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 3:01pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch: It's not about how many particles I have observed... It's about the fact that you have limits.. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 3:26pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Crystyano:How did you reach your definition of nothing that proves physics wrong. I’m curious to know that |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 3:30pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
A001:The philosophical approach to this doesn’t have evidence. I’m an empiricist and I really do not take philosophical rationalization seriously because it’s always tinted with uncertainties unless of course those that has been backed the evidence. I am not arguing about whether there’s a true vacuum or not, my argument is that there’s a definition for nothing in physics. Nothing doesn’t mean that it’s an absolute vacuum, that’s why even this nothing will weigh something. I hope you get it |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 3:30pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:No evidence that god exist. It’s fact |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 3:31pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch: I don't think nothing should really have a definition because the limits of a scientist or the limits of the technology of a scientist doesn't mean there's nothing. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 3:37pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch:Did any Christian describe God in terms of matter/materials? How do you intend to scientifically detect and quantify God? Have you built such a machine yet to detect God? You sound like Aristotle or Socrates arguing that Virus and Bacterias don't exist because no one has seen one! Where is your evidence that the God we describe doesn't exist. I can bet it with you that one day, the truth will dawn on you but I hope the god of science will be strong enough to bail you out. 1 Like |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 3:41pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:you also sound like a pastafarian arguing that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exist because we have not tested it |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 3:41pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Crystyano:do you understand how Occasm’s razor works? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by A001: 4:00pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch:Okay |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 4:08pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch: How is that related to my reply? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 4:13pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Workch:FSM is well described and is not anywhere near what the Jehovah Creator of the Universe is. Spaghetti is made from ground wheat isn't it? It's like food...and it is a monster!? |
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