KiNg0G:


simcards 50 naira where?

Its free sef in my place... They are using Sim card to beg us

BigBashiru:


No Peugeot has not sold millions of cars in Nigeria.... Peugeot is an unknown brand in Nigeria....when last did you see a Peugeot vehicle on the road?

I'm old enough to recall when they were ubiquitous on the road (1960-2005, and even afterwards) The reason why you don't see them now is because PAN basically went out of business, and the tokumbo car became more popular

But many of us can recall when the Peugeot was the reigning car. (Older professionals in my field usually bought one with their savings from their salaries/car loans)

Below is a picture of Lagos, from the 1970's with cars on the road...one can see a lot of Peugeot 504's there....

Also popular...the WV beetle, the Mercedes, etc....

Most problems in African countries are caused by Europeans:

South Africa- evil apartheid regime...blacks not allowed by whites to go to white area on African soil.

Sahel African countries- under French grip and interference.

Namibia- massacre of 80000 Namibian by the Germans in 1908.

Old examples. Most problems are from internal issues, and from our refusal to get past bigotry, tribalism, and flawed economic ideas.

Nigeria - killing of 3 million igbos and bombing of infrastructure with British support....

With weapons we chose to buy, plus the whole thing started because a certain millitary officer decided that his answer to the corruption in Nigerian society was to take up arms. A bad situation became worse.

The guy should have resigned and gone into politics, life would have been better....

I could go on and on but you get the picture.

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Yes, you are unintentionally promoting the idea that Africans are 'poor brainless things' who have no intiative...which is, to say the least, racist.

KiNg0G:


simcards 50 naira where?

Lol...but I get the guy's point.

My father bought sim for N10000 back in 2003. Maybe if he had waited two to three more years...he could have gotten it for less than N1000.

DropsMic:
Now watch how federal government gon support his auto company

Na their man na.

Nyanmiridunce:
Don't worry, Dangote will close business so innoson can thrive you hear.

Dangote cannot thrive under equal and fair competition.

Look at his noodles business, dangote noodles were the worst quality you can get in the market. It was almost as if you are eating poison.

BigBashiru:


No Peugeot has not sold millions of cars in Nigeria.... Peugeot is an unknown brand in Nigeria....when last did you see a Peugeot vehicle on the road?

We that dey born inside Peugeot?
Are you from space?
It's even billions of Peugeot in this Nigeria.

backbencher:


I'm old enough to recall when they were ubiquitous on the road (1960-2005, and even afterwards) The reason why you don't see them now is because PAN basically went out of business, and the tokumbo car became more popular

But many of us can recall when the Peugeot was the reigning car. (Older professionals in my field usually bought one with their savings from their salaries/car loans)

Below is a picture of Lagos, from the 1970's with cars on the road...one can see a lot of Peugeot 504's there....

Also popular...the WV beetle, the Mercedes, etc....




Old examples. Most problems are from internal issues, and from our refusal to get past bigotry, tribalism, and flawed economic ideas.



With weapons we chose to buy, plus the whole thing started because a certain millitary officer decided that his answer to the corruption in Nigerian society was to take up arms. A bad situation became worse.

The guy should have resigned and gone into politics, life would have been better....

Yes, you are unintentionally promoting the idea that Africans are 'poor brainless things' who have no intiative...which is, to say the least, racist.

I'm also old enough to recall that period. As of today Peugeout is no longer fashionable.

I'm raising awareness of European interference. And just to let you know, the ultimate goal of the western europeans is to ultimately make Africa part of Europe. France claimed Algeria and sahel as New France.....

Dsalvo:


https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/markets/aliko-dangotes-auto-company-dangote-peugeot-automobile-begins-assembly-in-nigeria/n1534v2

One day we will wake up and hear they have changed the country from Nigeria to Republic of Dangote

They should just bundle Nigeria and give to this man. The present debate on fuel subsidy is as a result of his refinery. If u know u know

backbencher:


Lol...but I get the guy's point.

My father bought sim for N10000 back in 2003. Maybe if he had waited two to three more years...he could have gotten it for less than N1000.

I know.
but he said now simcards are sold for 50nairq

Dangote is trying.

BigBashiru:


I'm also old enough to recall that period. As of today Peugeout is no longer fashionable.

That's because they stopped making cars in Nigeria, and most tokumbo importers proffered to bring in cars like Toyota, and other Japanese branded cars.

Kind of like Nokia, stopped making phones, and allowed Microsoft take over. By 2015, Nokia would have been 'no longer fashionable' Now, they are back, and they are getting customers

I'm raising awareness of European interference. And just to let you know, the ultimate goal of the western europeans is to ultimately make Africa part of Europe. France claimed Algeria and sahel as New France.....

The problem is that you are, as I said, indirectly promoting the idea that we lack intiative, and also we should not take personal responsibility for our messes...which are both wrong.

KiNg0G:
I know.
but he said now simcards are sold for 50nairq

Yeah, he was over-exaggerating there.

iokpebholo:
beautiful thread but all ur think about is tribalism.......una no dey tire

But he didn't mention tribe except innosson motor is a tribe

SlyDev:
Thank God innoson car are too costly for common man, lets see if they can catch up or scream monopoly again

Dangote is the best thing after fried chicken

Do you have money for a car even if it is sold at 150k that you are now unleashing your frustration on Mr Innocent?

Didn't the man get the same 24 hours per day like your father that you are now seeking his down fall as if he climbed on the back of your father to where he is


At the end, your satisfaction in this is only masturbatory.. Nothing in the news will swell your account

Don't end it like your parents.. Na we.. Own something... Leave something for your own generation when it is time for you to have kids

backbencher:


That's because they stopped making cars in Nigeria, and most tokumbo importers proffered to bring in cars like Toyota, and other Japanese branded cars.

Kind of like Nokia, stopped making phones, and allowed Microsoft take over. By 2015, Nokia would have been 'no longer fashionable' Now, they are back, and they are getting customers




The problem is that you are, as I said, indirectly promoting the idea that we lack intiative, and also we should not take personal responsibility for our messes...which are both wrong.

Mali is currently trying to ward off the French. And it has not been easy. France are suspected to be behind the attempted elimination of the Malian leader last year.

Look its simple. France is nothing without Africa hence they are prepared to do anything to maintain their grip...

African initiative is needed in the area of warding off the colonisers because its no easy task.

The average African suffers from inferiority complex....

Bounceboune7:
when there is competition the masses will enjoy
How many commoners do u see using innoson?

The same competition that makes u buy SIM card for 50 naira now instead of 20k they sell it then

How many commoners in Nigeria can afford brand new car? Innoson vehicles is brand new and considering the fact that it’s brand new, the prices are okay and affordable.

SlyDev:
Thank God innoson car are too costly for common man, lets see if they can catch up or scream monopoly again

Dangote is the best thing after fried chicken

well,fried chicken may be a power house to you,but to others, its a blown out fuse.

gwafaeziokwu:


So it's all about "deal with them"?

Shows how poor you are. Men are busy building business empire for their unborn generations and here you are cheerleading along ethnic lines.

What will your children inherit? Your old cheerleader clothes?

So, what investment have you built for your own generations.

alizma:

It is not enough for them, they are never satisfied. They want federal government to give innoson part of aso rock to used as innoson motor assembling plant then they will demand the the president should visit the plant on daily basis

and they are not even using it

BigBashiru:


Mali is currently trying to ward off the French. And it has not been easy. France are suspected to be behind the attempted elimination of the Malian leader last year.

Look its simple. France is nothing without Africa hence they are prepared to do anything to maintain their grip...

African initiative is needed in the area of warding off the colonisers because its no easy task.

The average African suffers from inferiority complex....

Mali's problem is tribalism...which caused the Turaeg insurgency, and led to there being an open door for ISIS to come in with their brand of anarchic madness

Then the country is like Nigeria...poor because they think they can make a living selling raw materials. That means that when prices go low, which happens most of the time, they get broke...fast. Which means they cannot equip their army against an ISIS that comes with weapons bought from underground means.

Finally, when the racist Rhodesian army faced freedom fighters in Zimbabwe in the 1970's...they changed strategy....and started fighting a conventional war unconventionally. Does Mali's army have any intiative to change tactics...

Plus the last time Mali army did a coup, they essentially left their northern area exposed..to ISIS, who came roaring in and took over large parts of the country...which took the French you don't like to drive back

(Of a truth, I have no issues with Mali using russian mercs...who happen mostly to be tough Spestnaz troops....perhaps the French could wake up and realize that NATO bitching has no place in Africa..and cooperate)

P.S I saw a Peugeot 504 a few weeks ago....so some are still on the road.

backbencher:


Mali's problem is tribalism...which caused the Turaeg insurgency, and led to there being an open door for ISIS to come in with their brand of anarchic madness

Then the country is like Nigeria...poor because they think they can make a living selling raw materials. That means that when prices go low, which happens most of the time, they get broke...fast. Which means they cannot equip their army against an ISIS that comes with weapons bought from underground means.

Finally, when the racist Rhodesian army faced freedom fighters in Zimbabwe in the 1970's...they changed strategy....and started fighting a conventional war unconventionally. Does Mali's army have any intiative to change tactics...

Plus the last time Mali army did a coup, they essentially left their northern area exposed..to ISIS, who came roaring in and took over large parts of the country...which took the French you don't like to drive back

(Of a truth, I have no issues with Mali using russian mercs...who happen mostly to be tough Spestnaz troops....perhaps the French could wake up and realize that NATO bitching has no place in Africa..and cooperate)

P.S I saw a Peugeot 504 a few weeks ago....so some are still on the road.

I really liked your write up. The final thing I want you to understand is that France plants terrorists and then pretends to fight them in order to maintain control and achieve objectives. Tuaregs, Al quaida, Al sa dine all recruited trained and funded by France and are used to destabilise African countries. You may not believe me because due to colonial brainwashing you may also have been brainwashed to believe they I.e. the french can be up to no evil. Here's the link:

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/10/8/mali-accuses-france-of-training-terrorists-in-country

SlyDev:
Thank God innoson car are too costly for common man, lets see if they can catch up or scream monopoly again

Dangote is the best thing after fried chicken

You are correct.

gwafaeziokwu:


So it's all about "deal with them"?

Shows how poor you are. Men are busy building business empire for their unborn generations and here you are cheerleading along ethnic lines.

What will your children inherit? Your old cheerleader clothes?

You are answering that animal that can't even afford even public transportation, Not to talk of comfortable lifestyle. And you are asking him about what he will leave behind for his generations. His forums reeks of poverty. And its demoralizing to even drop a comment reading somes comments here.

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We should endure with inferior offerings, self-destructively, because of a misguided notion of patriotism?






It is indeed very foolish if you are viewing this matter using tribal lenses
You get growth when you work for grow, and quality when you work 4 it. A Nigerian wont mind slashing a fortune to purchase a good product. now i dont need to ask if you have used an innoson brand car because i know you definitly can't afford it but you rarely see innoson cars in a mechanik garage. as for making it affordable the government can remove unfavourable policies and taxes that limit quality. have you ever seen on tv where the government showcase the purchase of 100 dangote cement? no, but but guess who profits from dat project and flyover that was just commissioned, dangote. now am not saying it is a bad thing but stop all the eyeservice and do what is right 4 the country not favouring a faction over the other while showcasing mediocrity.

Dsalvo:




Let us try and add intellect and absolute integrity to our discussions. Nigerians will buy products from their worst enemy if such fulfils the holy grail requirements of quality and value.

This is the simple reason Toyotas are immensely popular in Nigeria with the Corolla probably being the most common cars on Nigerian roads by far.

Innoson, has been operating for a while now with no significant traction to bring it close to Toyota etal.

Igbos, in my opinion, only see money and this leads them to always chase it to the detriment of quality, brand development and creation of meritoriously iconic and desirable products.

Britain lost out to Japan, per manufacturing of white goods, and TV/audio technology, in the sixties to the seventies because they accepted that Japan could produce more reliable and cheaper versions of those goods bevause they had the comparative advantages to do so.

Britain therefore followed the laws of comparative advantage by scaling back on her manufacturing of less reliable white goods that would struggle in the market because others produced more reliable alternatives that were cheaper.

This then allowed the nation to focus on other areas she had competitive advantages in that made the concessioning of her white goods/electronic products manufacturing sector to Japan not socio-economically devastating for too long.

Vainglorious Igbos can never think like that. You will all back Innoson ignorantly and accuse others of tribalism for not making the group the national approved car supplier to Nigeria without the integrity to accept that others make cars that are far more reliable and cost-effective to own than Innoson can ever produce.

Innosons fundamentally flawed model of procuring cheap automotive parts to assemble cheap and comparatively unreliable vehicle is self-harming because kobo-pinching Nigerians just don't see the brand as a viable alternative to Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mercedes, Peugeot etal.

Igbos can get away with such practices with fake electronics, fake designer wears, fake generators, inferior China car parts/batteries etal.

Yet vehicles are substantial outlays running into millions and no Nigerian will spend that on vehicles that will not be as robust and as reliable as others in the market let alone States and federal government.

This is what we keep telling you people. Yoruba and Northern business folks like Dangote, because they are about more than money alone, would rather not indulge an Innoson model at all.

They'd prefer to operate as Chief Adeojo and Dangote, as revealed here, operate.

I.e becoming major franchise producers, subsidiaries and suppliers of established brands than creating inferior and non-competitive new brands that will never have desirability value greater than even Tata in a hundred years because of inferior and cheap constructions.

Innoson is a lesson some of us tell you Igbos to learn. Some of your endeavours are not necessarily innovative or testimonies of Igbo 'greater business acumen' in comparison to others.

Rather, they validate the notion of objective business analysts that Igbos are mainly only driven by the desire to make money rather than to be excellent at what they do and create genuinely dominating brands as others dedicate themselves to doing.

Nigeria is a purist market per competitively superior product rising to the top in competition wirh others.
If Innoson is worth the hype, per the pockets of Nigerians, it will be the most popular brand in our nation no sensible Nigerian will shin regardless of their personal feelings abotu the ethnic identity of the owner.

Your statement below typifies the mentality of most Igbos. You propagate that the market is big enough for all levels, including absolutely crappiest of the crappiest that endangers life, so long as there is money to be made.


This is why Yoruba or Fulani/Hausa business folks will hesitate to follow the Innoson model, once they inspect the big picture, but Igbos will forge ahead with it to then be claiming they are smarter than others not knowing it is the other way round.

All Igbos will blindly defend Innoson but how many prioritise using the behicle personally and patriotically?

Also, can you seriously argue that the brand has not done as well as it can because value-loving Nigerians will be prejudiced against their own pocket in favour of ethnocentric discrimination against Innoson? Or is the truth that Innoson cars are crap Nigerians are not interested in?

You guys need to look at yourselves and raise the bar and stop making everything about money and ethnicity.

Another ethnic ice coloured gibberish. I will pass.

Alamkir:


To be honest this is just greediness, the federal government has tried, and even contract them to be making military car. Wat do you want for them to force Nigerians to use innosson. The FG ban tokunbo cars and block d bothers, ur brothers are still among pple smuggling them in. Even some Igbo governors doesn't support innosson

If you read vwell you will notice i didnt use or oppose any tribe, so i wander wher ur seeing the "ur brothers" factor. No one said every nigerian citizen must use innoson vehicles and only a fool will shoot himself on the foot like you are suggesting the government close border. if they do how are u going to purchase ur tokumbo?
government vehicles should be homemade

CXLVII:


Because of cheap labour! Nothing else!

Ow my frnd cheap labour is everything. when the cost of production is low you can be assured of good quality at a lower price

Can't wait to get my hands on the 508

gwafaeziokwu:


Another ethnic ice coloured gibberish. I will pass.

Yeah. Pass bro. I was mistaken to think you had intellect that would make you at least inspect very sound logic even if such is coming from "Afonja" you lot hate unobjectively.

The reason Yorubas are great all round, and not at one thing only, is that they can learn from criticism delivered by their worst enemies if such is actually objective, makes sense and helps them improve their efficacy and ability to provide solutions.

When you are done with your childish prima donna act then perhaps you, or any other Igbo for that matter, can give us cogent reasons why Innoson has not done well in Nigeria that is a nation where folks prioritize value and their pocket above everything else.

Nigerians would even buy Ghanaians good, in preference to a Nigerian equivalent, if such is superior.

Explain to us why Innoson has failed to kick on appreciably in such an environment. Prove me wrong that you Igbos just like blackmailing fellow Nigerians, playing the ethnic card at every opportunity, instead of accepting that you are not as class-leading as you myopically think you are.


Someone said earlier Nigeria should patronize Innoson. Base on what? Has Innoson proven it can produce cars better than Toyota and others that Nigerians can import or buy without hassle?

If no Igbo man can meritoriously argue Innoson's case then accept your limitation and perhaps you can then understand why Dangote is forging ahead with the tried and tested platform of Peugeot.

Rather than take the easy route of introducing another inferior 'indigenous brand to Nigeria, based on inferior underpinnings supplied by China, Dangote dedided to partner with a decent brand because he understands that value-obsessed Nigerians will reject another "all Nigerian" inferior and substandard car manufacturer as they have done Innoson.

IGBOSON1:


Not denying the virtues of competition in a market-driven economy and how it’s ultimately good for the buyer, but it wouldn’t have escaped the attention of many that it’s only when it comes to a business your envious and bigoted self thinks Igbos are leading in that you’d bring this argument of: ‘competition being good for the masses as it will drive down prices, hence Dangotes’ entry into the Nigerian automobile industry will benefit all’!

How come the so called ‘competition’ in the cement industry (of which Dangote is a key player) hasn’t driven down prices!?

It’s all about greed of the muslim core north hegemony.....wanting to be a ‘leading player’ in ALL commanding heights of the economy, and not wanting the Igbo (who you have designated ‘conquered nyamurees’ by virtue of the uncivil war) to be the leading player in ANY prominent industry/sector in Nigeria!

You did a number on Ibeto and succeeded in sidelining him in the cement industry!

You may be smiling outwards towards Air Peace, but inside you’re bristling with fury that a ‘nyamuree’ has the ‘temerity’ to be the market leader in the aviation sector, hence you’re determined -come hell or high water...by fire, by force- that you must launch that your Air Nigeria before Buhari fcks off in 2023...and corner most of the lucrative international routes as well as airline slots at major international airports just so you can undercut Air Peace! Does anyone actually think those useless rumours of the US wanting him extradited came outta nowhere!? It was to try and sully his reputation and that of his airline!

INNOSON went through similar travails...was hounded and harassed, with his wife slapped by Nigerian security personnel, just because he ‘dared’ to take a bank to court! He has equally been noted on numerous occasions to bemoan the fact that FOREX is difficult to get at gov’t rates! Meanwhile, Emefiele and the CBN are falling over themselves to give Dangote all the FOREX he needs at favourable rates!

What i see here is nothing but GREED by Dangote! He wants his fingers in ALL pies that matter...certainly, those ones where a Igbo seems to be the market leader! It’s all driven by the belief that THEY and THEY ALONE should control ALL the commanding heights of the Nigerian economy!

You people are full of hate