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Re: What Is Olorun? by Maynman: 10:03am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:


If these titles do not refer to specific beings but to a title then many beings can succeed each other to the title. My question is, Who was the previous Olorun before the current Olorun? How long does the tenure as Olorun hold for?

They are generic titles.
Who was the “previous president”?
Or you want to delve into yoruba mythology?
Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:06am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:

I would love a discussion about whether Esu is Satan. I posit that Esu is not Satan. What are your reasons for thinking that he is?

If you're tribalistic surely you will not feel comfortable knowing that the god your ancestors worshiped is a demon. But the Yorùbás have what is called "ORÍKÌ" through which each person knows his or her origin.

Just meditate thoroughly on the ORÍKÌ of Èṣù i'm sure you will know why Àjàyí Crowder used that name for the spirit referred to as Satan the devil in the Bible!
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:09am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


NO! Note that through divination those worshiping these demons have told you where they came from:

"Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé"


Please, which verse in Ifa or any divination lore said that?

"Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé", is a common phrase in Ifa text. It is used to refer to the origins of absolutely everything. We will hear of when Scissors left from heaven to earth. We hear of when money left from heaven to earth. we hear of when telephone left from heaven to earth.

What is referred to is the process of creation. Every created thing is brought from heaven to earth. Orun in this case reads more like potentiality. Everything makes the journey from potentiality to actuality. That's how some people interpret it to English.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:10am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:

Please can you provide references for the claims you make above.

If you will like the Bible because that's the book that's revealing all the secrets that fallen angels have hidden from people for long! smiley
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:11am On Aug 28, 2022
Maynman:


They are generic titles.
Who was the “previous president”?
Or you want to delve into yoruba mythology?

The previous president was Goodluck Jonathan. The current one is Buhari.

The question was for those that claim olorun is only a title. who was the previous holder of the title?
Re: What Is Olorun? by Maynman: 10:12am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:


The previous president was Goodluck Jonathan. The current one is Buhari.

The question was for those that claim olorun is only a title. who was the previous holder of the title?

I said “previous president” not “previous president of Nigeria”.
Who was the previous holder of “president”?, then we look for previous holder of “ruler of the sky.”
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:13am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


If you're tribalistic surely you will not feel comfortable knowing that the god your ancestors worshiped is a demon. But the Yorùbás have what is called "ORÍKÌ" through which each person knows his or her origin.

Just meditate thoroughly on the ORÍKÌ of Èṣù i'm sure you will know why Àjàyí Crowder used that name for the spirit referred to as Satan the devil in the Bible!

I'm not tribalistic so I'll be alright, thanks. Please furnish us with the Oriki of Esu and. then. explain the. parallels with Satan.

The spirit referred to. as satan in the bible is also referred to as Yhwh.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:14am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:


Please, which verse in Ifa or any divination lore said that?

"Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé", is a common phrase in Ifa text. It is used to refer to the origins of absolutely everything. We will hear of when Scissors left from heaven to earth. We hear of when money left from heaven to earth. we hear of when telephone left from heaven to earth.

What is referred to is the process of creation. Every created thing is brought from heaven to earth. Orun in this case reads more like potentiality. Everything makes the journey from potentiality to actuality. That's how some people interpret it to English.

At least you agree with the common phrase so use the Bible to get the clear picture:

And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

Man is the only intelligent being created to live on this planet {Genesis 1:26-28} all other intelligent beings are aliens! smiley
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:17am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


If you will like the Bible because that's the book that's revealing all the secrets that fallen angels have hidden from people for long! smiley

The bible is a big book. Can you not specify which passage exactly speaks of the Yoruba deities and how they took over certain domains?

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:18am On Aug 28, 2022
Maynman:


I said “previous president” not “previous president of Nigeria”.
Who was the previous holder of “president”?, then we look for previous holder of “ruler of the sky.”

President of where?
Re: What Is Olorun? by Maynman: 10:18am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:


President of where?
“ruler of sky” of where?
Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:22am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:

I'm not tribalistic who I'll be alright, thanks. Please furnish us with the Oriki of Esu and. then. explain the. parallels with Satan.

The first sentence i'll translate in English:

"Èṣù, do not devastate my life please do that to someone else"

There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon for mischief.

PastorAIO:

The spirit referred to. as satan in the bible is also referred to as Yhwh.

Can you back the highlighted with the Bible?
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:31am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


At least you agree with the common phrase so use the Bible to get the clear picture:

And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

Man is the only intelligent being created to live on this planet {Genesis 1:26-28} all other intelligent beings are aliens! smiley

Odu Ogbe Ofun:

Ogbe f'ohun fun olohun
N o f'ohun fun olohun.
Babalawo oba lo difa fun Oba
Oba ntorun bo wale aye.


translation- Ogbe give the thing back to the owner of the thing
I will not give the thing back to the owner of the thing
The babalawo of kingship divined for kingship
Kingship was coming from heaven down to earth.


Abeg which angel that did not keep it's place in heaven is called Kingship.

What is obvious is that you do not understand the rhetorical device that is used in Ifa to explain the emergence of a phenomena.
It is also obvious that you do not understand the bible that much either.


Man is not the only intelligent being on this planet. Elephants have a very high level of intelligence and so dolphins. Even more intelligent than some humans.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:33am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon for mischief.



This is false.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:36am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:

The bible is a big book. Can you not specify which passage exactly speaks of the Yoruba deities and how they took over certain domains?

The Author of the Bible only focus on a nation (Israel) but when it comes to how all other nations get their deities this Author gave us clues if we want to know the truth {John 8:32} note how this God journeyed all the way to Egypt to free His people without a military force? But any nation can also fabricate such a story so i focus on realities that's common everywhere to compare to what this Author is saying.

The God of Israel demanded that His worshipers should present two live goats before Him, one is to be sacrificed to Him on the spot but the other to be escorted outside the land where the former deities occupying that domain has been driven after their worshipers has been exterminated! Leviticus 16:7-10

From this recorded event i learned that the God of Israel knows that despite He being the Creator those demons have the right to that domain as long as their worshipers are loyal to them. That's why He warned His own worshipers never to invite those demons back because they will be roaming around since they've been misplaced from their domain! Deuteronomy 18:9-13
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:37am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:



Can you back the highlighted with the Bible?

2Samuel 24:1

1Again the anger of the YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.”


1Chronicles. 21:1

1Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan and bring me a report, so that I may know their number.”

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Re: What Is Olorun? by Maynman: 10:41am On Aug 28, 2022
Satan is a title not a person how it became a figure we have to ask early Chrestians cheesy
Even the Israelite god, yahweh stood as a Satan to baalaam.

Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:43am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:

Man is not the only intelligent being on this planet. Elephants have a very high level of intelligence and so dolphins. Even more intelligent than some humans.

Can you point to just one advancement in the way these creatures live their lives because man has achieved a lot just as the Bible God claimed when He said:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth" Genesis 1:26

Only man is intelligent to the point of driving away any creature if the location is suitable for living, and man has developed technology that no other creature could do 0.000001%

This is the indisputable proof of what the Bible God claimed: He created man to become like Himself ~ Creators/inventors of new things! smiley
Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:54am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:

2Samuel 24:1

1Again the anger of the YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.”


1Chronicles. 21:1

1Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan and bring me a report, so that I may know their number.”

I love this!

Note that the God of Israel has told His people that they will not be numbered:

"I will certainly deal well with you, and I will make your offspring like the grains of sand of the sea, which are too numerous to count.’” Genesis 32:12

So lesson learned: Satan took permission from God before tempting King David just as Satan took permission to tempt Job {Job 1:7-12} for Jehovah to grant it {Job 1:10} then Satan could act as if it's Jehovah who spoke to David!

In reality Satan was granted the chance to tempt David due to David's blunders! 2Samuel 11:1-27
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:59am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


The Author of the Bible only focus on a nation (Israel) but when it comes to how all other nations get their deities this Author gave us clues if we want to know the truth {John 8:32} note how this God journeyed all the way to Egypt to free His people without a military force? But any nation can also fabricate such a story so i focus on realities that's common everywhere to compare to what this Author is saying.

So there is no mention of Yoruba deities in the bible as they only focus on Israel ba? You lied when you said the 'fallen angels' in the bible refer to Yoruba deities. then this your God that journeys from somewhere all the way to Egypt to free his people, does that mean he has his domain too, and he traveled from there to Egypt. So he too is like the fallen angles that you described who have carved out domains for themselves.



The God of Israel demanded that His worshipers should present two live goats before Him, one is to be sacrificed to Him on the spot but the other to be escorted outside the land where the former deities occupying that domain has been driven after their worshipers has been exterminated! Leviticus 16:7-10

He even receives sacrifice just like any other lesser deity. He even sends a share of the goats received to his fellow demons in the wilderness. Even those those demon's worshippers had been exterminated in a heinous act of genocide instigated by himself by his followers. See the devilishness of the character?


From this recorded event i learned that the God of Israel knows that despite He being the Creator those demons have the right to that domain as long as their worshipers are loyal to them. That's why He warned His own worshipers never to invite those demons back because they will be roaming around since they've been misplaced from their domain! Deuteronomy 18:9-13


You're talking about of both sides of your mouth now. Those demons received their goat because they have a right to their domain as long as worshippers are loyal. However you said the worshippers were exterminated so why is yhwh still sharing goats with them?

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 11:08am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Can you point to just one advancement in the way these creatures live their lives because man has achieved a lot just as the Bible God claimed when He said:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth" Genesis 1:26

Only man is intelligent to the point of driving away any creature if the location is suitable for living, and man has developed technology that no other creature could do 0.000001%

This is the indisputable proof of what the Bible God claimed: He created man to become like Himself ~ Creators/inventors of new things! smiley

https://baanchangelephantpark.com/elephant_post_17

this video in the link is particularly interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5sFxcxoy3Q

I don't know what you mean but man has achieved a lot. The planet is being destroyed due to the activities of some humans. There are humans though who engage in these so called advances, like many of the tribes in the amazon forest. They even walk around naked which exposes the lie in your bible that they were ashamed of unclothedness and yhwh clothed them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBbFnU5ITuM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RiHTSXK2A

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 11:16am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


I love this!

Note that the God of Israel has told His people that they will not be numbered:

"I will certainly deal well with you, and I will make your offspring like the grains of sand of the sea, which are too numerous to count.’” Genesis 32:12

So lesson learned: Satan took permission from God before tempting King David just as Satan took permission to tempt Job {Job 1:7-12} for Jehovah to grant it {Job 1:10} then Satan could act as if it's Jehovah who spoke to David!

In reality Satan was granted the chance to tempt David due to David's blunders! 2Samuel 11:1-27

You are just lying outright now and making things up.

Numbers 1: 19
18and on the first day of the second month they assembled the whole congregation and recorded their ancestry by clans and families, counting one by one the names of those twenty years of age or older, 19 just as the LORD had commanded Moses. So Moses numbered them in the Wilderness of Sinai:


So God told Moses to number Israel and he did.

Where does the bible say that Satan took permission from God to tempt David.? It says Yhwh tempted David and that Yhwh was synonymous with Satan. That Yhwh IS Satan. Satan tempted David.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 11:24am On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


The first sentence i'll translate in English:

"Èṣù, do not devastate my life please do that to someone else"

There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon for mischief.


Talk about devastation, no mythology or religion has a deity that likes to devastate as much as the filthy demon called Yhwh.

Isaiah 24
1Behold, the LORD will empty the eartha and make it desolate,
and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest;
as with the slave, so with his master;
as with the maid, so with her mistress;
as with the buyer, so with the seller;
as with the lender, so with the borrower;
as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered;
for the LORD has spoken this word.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:32am On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:


So there is no mention of Yoruba deities in the bible as they only focus on Israel ba? You lied when you said the 'fallen angels' in the bible refer to Yoruba deities. then this your God that journeys from somewhere all the way to Egypt to free his people, does that mean he has his domain too, and he traveled from there to Egypt. So he too is like the fallen angles that you described who have carved out domains for themselves.
The one and only God who came from nowhere and singlehandedly delivered people from slavery is the true God!

He even receives sacrifice just like any other lesser deity. He even sends a share of the goats received to his fellow demons in the wilderness. Even those those demon's worshippers had been exterminated in a heinous act of genocide instigated by himself by his followers. See the devilishness of the character?
He has sent a warning message but those demons deceived their worshipers to death!

You're talking about of both sides of your mouth now. Those demons received their goat because they have a right to their domain as long as worshippers are loyal. However you said the worshippers were exterminated so why is yhwh still sharing goats with them?
That's to teach His worshipers that those demons are still hanging around, any rebellious act against the true God will attract condemnation and the demons will return ! smiley
Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:09pm On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:


https://baanchangelephantpark.com/elephant_post_17

this video in the link is particularly interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5sFxcxoy3Q

I don't know what you mean but man has achieved a lot. The planet is being destroyed due to the activities of some humans. There are humans though who engage in these so called advances, like many of the tribes in the amazon forest. They even walk around naked which exposes the lie in your bible that they were ashamed of unclothedness and yhwh clothed them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBbFnU5ITuM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RiHTSXK2A


Ọmọ there is no creature that's 0.000001% close to man, but if you want to contest this just point to one achievement of any other creature on this planet.

BOW! BOW!! BOW!!! Before the one and only true God: JEHOVAH the Bible's Author, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

He said man was created in the image of the Maker and only man can create things that are stronger the elephant! smiley
Re: What Is Olorun? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:24pm On Aug 28, 2022
PastorAIO:


Talk about devastation, no mythology or religion has a deity that likes to devastate as much as the filthy demon called Yhwh.

Isaiah 24
1Behold, the LORD will empty the eartha and make it desolate,
and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest;
as with the slave, so with his master;
as with the maid, so with her mistress;
as with the buyer, so with the seller;
as with the lender, so with the borrower;
as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered;
for the LORD has spoken this word.

You're deceiving yourself!
A righteous God must have punishment for evildoers!

But as for the righteous richly blessings awaits them:

Psalms 37:9-11,29; 67:6-7; Isaiah 65:21-23
Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 1:59pm On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

The one and only God who came from nowhere and singlehandedly delivered people from slavery is the true God!


smiley

So he came from nowhere and only him waka from nowhere go Egypt. Because his domain is nowhere no wonder he is so jealous and thieving.

That must be what Jesus meant when he said birds has nests, foxes have holes but the son of yhwh had Nowhere.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:01pm On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:



He has sent a warning message but those demons deceived their worshipers to death!

smiley

Where did you read that one now o? Abi na personal revelation? When did yhwh send warning to canaanites and when did the bible say the demons deceived their worshipers.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:03pm On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:




That's to teach His worshipers that those demons are still hanging around, any rebellious act against the true God will attract condemnation and the demons will return ! smiley

So you don’t think that giving demons goats will make them return? Return from where sef? Where did they go? I thought they were in their domain.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:11pm On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ there is no creature that's 0.000001% close to man, but if you want to contest this just point to one achievement of any other creature on this planet.

BOW! BOW!! BOW!!! Before the one and only true God: JEHOVAH the Bible's Author, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

He said man was created in the image of the Maker and only man can create things that are stronger the elephant! smiley

You tell me the achievement of man that is so wonderful and I’ll see if I can’t name another species that can do it and even better. There are humans living in the Amazon forest, naked, no big buildings, close to nature, no modern technology. Are you suggesting that those ones are not intelligent or they were not made in the image of God?

I don’t know why you are ululating ‘Jehovah jehovah’. Is something paining you? You don’t even know his name sef, you just conjecture that it’s Jehovah.

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Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:15pm On Aug 28, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


You're deceiving yourself!
A righteous God must have punishment for evildoers!
23

And for the children of evildoers and the children’s children of the wrong doers.

That one sounds like justice to you?

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Re: What Is Olorun? by Maynman: 2:27pm On Aug 28, 2022
How time flies, madmax cheesy

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