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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 9:17pm On Apr 26, 2023 |
These sum up the conversations which I have had with Yoruba on this forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A03lyntrUE 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 9:25pm On Apr 26, 2023 |
Erased to not dilute the message above. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 5:54pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
I wrote this Ghostwon8222:@googi replied this googi: Let me explain, my comment was just a copy and past from an other of my comments, I thought some parts of it were relevant and I didn't have the time to remove the parts which were not relevant to this conversation. https://www.nairaland.com/7655468/olu-warri-installs-chief-oma/8#122718032 |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 6:09pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
Let me answer this properly in case unintelligent people did not fully understand what I said Christistruth03:1) the governor wrote about an era which he didn't witness, so what the governor wrote is imagination at best. 2) I have documents of the era which the governor is talking about, and those documents contradict your interpretation of the governor's words. One of those documents is the map below which is from the 1600's and which shows imperial Benin already. 3) your interpretation of the governor's words are self serving at best, indeed, "Oyos or Iyos" are ijo. 4) the exact quote was "ruling to the sea over Benin and Ewe".What is over Benin and Ewe ? that is the sea ! The governor is not talking about ruling over Benin and Ewe, he is talking about the sea which is over Benin and Ewe. What you need to ask yourself is what the governor meant by "ruling to the sea" You can rephrase this in such "[ruling] [to] [the] [sea over Benin and Ewe]" Or if the sea in question is unmistakable then you rephrase it like this "[ruling] [to] [the] [sea]" 5) once again "Oyos or Iyos" are ijo, not yarri.ba. I wrote this not to continue talking to someone best described by the videos which I posted, but to make my argument clearer. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 6:16pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
Christistruth03:Once again, in order to make things clear: Oranmiyan is a made up character, an invention, a fairytale, he never existed. But to Yoruba who can't distinguish religious fanatical belief from actual history (actual facts) he is real, and they don't hesitate to talk about him as if he existed when discussing history. Imagine you are talking about history and then someone brings up bugs bunny or Peter Pan and talks as if bugs bunny or Peter Pan actually existed ... That is the level of discussion with Yoruba when it comes to history. They just can't seperate fiction from reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8 2 Likes |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 6:19pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 9:29pm On Apr 27, 2023 |
Document below is from Sir alfred moloney British Colonial Governor of Lagos 1890 Confirming that Lagos is Yorubaland and that Oyo Once Ruled over Benin and to the Sea, the Eguns are a Brother Clan of the Ewe of Dahomey ,Oyo was their Overlord over all Egun and Ewe People from Badagry to Ghana Including Allada Cotonou Whydah Most of Dahomey and Togo and the East of the Volta River in Ghana Alaafin Oranmiyan was the first Alaafin that was overlord over Benin ,
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 3:10am On Apr 28, 2023 |
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Oghodua: 10:39am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Christistruth03:the true story , there was no council of Yoruba obas, it was council of kings in western province at the time, the other midwestern kings were omitted to suit their selfish narrative 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 10:42am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Oghodua:
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by googi: 1:01pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Una go flogi dis usurpers of Yoruba Culture die. I beggi naow. You can fool some of the people all the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time. These fake Bini internet warriors have no connection to their Royal House whatever. Their only aim is to snatch Yoruba Culture at the top. But eh, they are not the only one. They all want to be associated with the best Culture in the world. 1 Like |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 12:27am On Apr 30, 2023 |
Any proof for your accusations? Or are we Edo guilty until proven innocent? amdatdude: |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 12:31am On Apr 30, 2023 |
It seems obvious that the colonizers have hijacked the woke movement and just don't want to give Benin it's treasures back, therefore the non substantiated accusations against Benin, whereas Europe and America never paid any reparations for slavery and hugely benefited from slavery and kept their own cultural heritages, but us Edo we shouldn't be allowed to have our cultural heritage as punishment for allegedly being accomplices of the unpunished Europeans and Americans whom would be rewarded again by keeping Benin treasures... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Thebadpolitican(m): 1:10pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon8222: Ghostwon I don't know if you're on Facebook but you should check out the link , it's a Benin history discussion the white are spewing their misconceptions about benin history , I think you're in a better position to share some knowledge https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0KkSTX4JRK3qcadGsR9SKZntZjxw9AEoePY3gYavnyrGayCieRYmgfLD9JvM6iFc7l&id=100063639022730&mibextid=Nif5oz |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 1:24pm On May 02, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:Sorry, I don't have a Facebook account anymore, I deactivated most of my social media accounts in order to not get too addicted to social media and to not waste time. It is funny that we have some Edo people whom are active on social media and whom are very popular, but instead of doing serious history, all they do is talk about fairytales like oduduwa... This is why Europeans can say anything about us unchecked, because we basically have nothing to say since we are confusing fairytales with history like children do, whereas those who want to steal our artefacts (the Europeans) and their African American puppets are looking more serious and down to earth and more credible than us. They have estimated that our artifacts are worth more than 30 billion dollars, and the thieves in Europe and America want that cash. Out of nowhere we are now apparently the sole responsible for slavery and our ancestral heritage must be kept away from us for slavery...meanwhile bastard Charles is being coronated and he gets to keep his ancestral bastard heritage and ours... Meanwhile the British, the Portuguese, the French, the Dutch and many other Europeans were the real slave merchants and kidnappers and all ... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Nobody: 1:37pm On May 02, 2023 |
I tried some time ago to help one famous blogger/media personality to understand history better in order for him to do his job better and represent the interests of the Oba and the people better (information is power), but he just went on insulting me. Only Nigerians will insult you when you try to give them free education. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Thebadpolitican(m): 3:10pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: Very true, I wished you still were on Facebook All our people know how to do best is play tribal game with fairytale history.. We will one day get a very educated oba who will see reason to end all this and sponsor the study on benin history, we hope it will never be too late by then The benin history is the face of West African history and African history world wide along with that of eyptian history, while the white and Arabs are busy doing their damage to erase African from Egyptian history The benins are here dwelling on fairtytales as their history, while the European are in our corner demonizing our benin history to kill the historical respect 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Thebadpolitican(m): 3:20pm On May 02, 2023 |
Ghostwon82221: What do you aspect when they don't read most of the African comment to the white on Facebook were lame and mostly full of insult, no one could stage them intellectually But trust me not when I am there 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 10:12am On Jun 12, 2023 |
, In other Words you think your 12 th century Ancestors that you descended from were a myth and did not exist because nothing was written and there are no recorded documents about them Don't you think. this attitude is stupid Let me tell you a Story The People of Ile Ife told the British that Ile Ife was over 2000 years old and was already existing In 300 BC because they were told by their Ancestors that Ife was founded by their Ancestors as a place of refuge after that great flood that destroyed the whole Earth (Be!ieved to be Noahs flood in the Bible) The British then invited European Archaeologists who dug around the Ife Palace and other parts of ife and found Ancient Objects including cooking Utensils which they carbon dated and found to be over 2000 years old confirming what the natives had said |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by QueenNyakim: 2:55pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Right. I am a few months late to this conversation but time to debunk some bullshit. I will just copy and paste of what I wrote on Reddit. - Benin Kingdom wasn't really involved in Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade nor did they rely on it either. They made their wealth selling goods like cloth and palm oil and agicultural goods second such as their sought after Benin peppers. Oba's made it extremely difficult for European slave merchants to buy slaves until it dwindle down to nothing forcing Euros like Portuguese to move their bases of operation to Warri. Since European slavers called all of the Gulf of Guinea the Bright of Benin and didn't bother distinguishing between between Benin and Warri. Refer to Images below. Since I can only post 4 pictures at a time, here the 5th. https://imgur.com/76nZl2B The few couple hundred slaves Benin Kingdom sold to the Portuguese in the 1500's ended up in other regions in Africa (gold coast, to work on gold mines, & Portuguese controlled archipelagos such as Sao Tome and Principe in the 1500s and 1600s until Benin completely stopped cooperating with European slave merchants in human cargo in its entirety. Benin Kingdom economy was never reliant on selling humans as cargo to Europeans as other African Kingdoms were such as the Dahomey who were built on it. Benin Kingdom even manufactured its own guns (despite having trouble with flint lock as Japanese did) and cannons using Portuguese and British cannons as models. Currently, there are 3 canons crafted by Benin blacksmiths housed in the British museum. Book - Sir Ralph Moor and The "Benin" Cannon Of The British Museum and The Royal Armouries by Ronald Bishop Smith. As I quote "It excited my surprise to see here two or three small pieces of cannon, of British and Portuguese manufacture; but they were not mounted, and had perhaps been produced as models for imitation, as the country abounds in iron; but for the expense attendant on working the mines, there is, comparitively speaking, very little wrought to perfection. I saw, however, some swords of their own manufacture, which were very well turned out of hand; and was credibly informed. They could make muskets, with the exception of the lock, in great perfection." - CPT James Fawckner Oba Adolo literally made it a decree that any Bini merchant who engaged in the act of slave trading illegal would be severely punished. The slave trade was taboo in Bini Society. Bini Kingdom literally abolished slavery more than 200 years before the British did, lmfao. When the British tried sanctioning Bini Kingdom, they weren't affected. People need to realize not all Africans part-took in abomination of the slave trade.
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth00: 7:15pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Smartguyboy: Kingdoms Like Owo and Ekitis hardly got involved in the Slave Trade and the Egba Kingdom was not Keen on it |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by laiperi: 12:36am On Nov 01, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Foreign or local slave trade? |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Smartguyboy(m): 5:29am On Nov 01, 2023 |
Christistruth00:How about that lady call Efunroye Tinubu? |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth00: 8:44am On Nov 01, 2023 |
Smartguyboy: That is why I said the Egba Kingdom were not Keen on it It was the Slave Trade that Chased the Egbas from their 153 scattered Villages to Abeokuta Madam Tinubu was an individual who was the wife of the Oba Of Lagos Lagos was Notorious for it 1 Like |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth00: 8:47am On Nov 01, 2023 |
laiperi: Trans Atlantic |
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