Dantedasz:



It's like you do not understand what it means when you say something/somebody is OMNISCIENT!

As i said, you know your children will pass or fail jamb or will play football and may wound themselves, yet all these Knowings did not stop you from seeing.

Knowing and seeing aka watching are 2 different things.

While the opposite of omniscient is-

So if Yahweh/God wanted too see,he is no longer omniscient but he is IGNORANT!

Dtruthspeaker:


As i said, you know your children will pass or fail jamb or will play football and may wound themselves, yet all these Knowings did not stop you from seeing.

Knowing and seeing aka watching are 2 different things.

Oga,
We don't need this your dancing around the question. What we are simply asking is how can there be free will when God already knows what will be the consequences of any action (predetermination) because God is said to be omniscient. Haba!

Religious bigotry.
Religion produces bigots. The belief that your religion is superior to any other religious or areligious beliefs.
Religionists tend to be intolerant of any contrary beliefs that are contrary to their dogma. They are dismissive,arrogant,snotty,and discriminatory towards any thoughts not in conformity with their beliefs. In going about propagating these beliefs,they exhibit an air of overbloated superiority and as such regard any contrary views as unpure, disgusting ,and a danger to the continued dominance of their dogma.
In fact in some climes being an atheist or agnostic could cost you your life or send you to long jail terms in prison.
Religious people tend to pretend a lot. They pretend to be tolerant. They pretend to be kind. While deep inside they seethe with anger if you dare to express a belief contrary to theirs.
If I refuse to believe books about a man splitting the moon into two parts or a book about a man walking on water,or talking donkeys and snakes,it is my right as a human being. No one can take it from me. If I choose not to believe a man can ride a horse to heaven or that food was falling from the skies to feed people, or a stick could turn into a snake ,it is my right as a human being,after all I seldom complain when you place loud speakers on top of your religious houses and scream at the top of your voices at odd hours and you claim you are calling for prayer or conducting a revival. Live and let live.

Caveatemptor:

Oga,
We don't need this your dancing around the question. What we are simply asking is how can there be free will when God already knows what will be the consequences of any action (predetermination) because God is said to be omniscient. Haba!

And I have answered it by showing you examples of you knowing the consequences of an action, (predetermination) yet you watch and stand by to see and what people shall do in the exercise and free use of their will and desire to choose their actions and consequences.

Dantedasz:
So if Yahweh/God wanted too see,he is no longer omniscient but he is IGNORANT!

So it's okay for your children's teachers and people to call you ignorant as you watch your children doing their homework or writing exams. No wahala. Do not come and be angry when people call you ignorant o. Remember it's you who said it

Dantedasz:
Religious bigotry.
Religion produces bigots. The belief that your religion is superior to any other religious or a religious beliefs...

Has anyone told you that you are just making a useless rant?

Till tomorrow, Toyota people are always going to say that they are superior to Honda, iPhone people are always going to claim that they are superior to Samsung, salaried people are always going to claim that they are superior to businessmen, etc so, your rant just proves how inferior and subhuman you truly are, which is what Godhatefullness does to a person.

Dtruthspeaker:


Has anyone told you that you are just making a useless rant?

Till tomorrow, Toyota people are always going to say that they are superior to Honda, iPhone people are always going to claim that they are superior to Samsung, salaried people are always going to claim that they are superior to businessmen, etc so, your rant just proves how inferior and subhuman you truly are, which is what Godhatefullness does to a person.

I smell bigotry all over this post!
Why not live and let live,son.

Dtruthspeaker:


So it's okay for your children's teachers and people to call you ignorant as you watch your children doing their homework or writing exams. No wahala. Do not come and be angry when people call you ignorant o. Remember it's you who said it

Look son,I have never claimed to be omniscient, that call belongs to your god Yahweh.

joyandfaith:



Can u point to bible verses that say that? Please speak with evidences. Can u pls show us the evidence of Jehovah in cage by gods of science?



Bible is scientifically accurate. Bible talks about earth being spherical and water cycle facts that scientists at that time were not aware of. Check this-
He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, suspending the earth upon nothing.”
Job 26:7
“All the streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full. To the place from which the streams flow, there they return so as to flow again.”
Ecclesiastes 1:7

There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth.”
Isaiah 40:22


Bible principles on hygiene were ahead of their times

Shortly before the nation of Israel entered the Promised Land some 35 centuries ago, God said that he would protect them against “the terrible diseases” that they had known in Egypt. (Deuteronomy 7:15) One way he did this was by giving them detailed instructions on disease control and hygiene. For example:

The nation’s code of laws required bathing and clothes washing.—Leviticus 15:4-27.

Regarding human waste, God stated: “A private place should be designated for use outside the camp, and there is where you should go. A peg should be part of your equipment. When you squat outside, you should dig a hole with it and then cover your excrement.”—Deuteronomy 23:12, 13.

People who were thought to have a communicable disease were quarantined—kept away from others for a time. Before returning, those who recovered from sickness had to wash their garments and bathe in water if they were to be considered “clean.”—Leviticus 14:8, 9.

Anyone who touched a dead body was quarantined.—Leviticus 5:2, 3; Numbers 19:16.

Israel’s laws reflected medical concepts and views on sanitation that were far ahead of their time.

Elsewhere, primitive standards of hygiene were prevalent. For example:

Waste was deposited in streets. Polluted water, contaminated food, and other kinds of refuse created unsanitary conditions that contributed to a high rate of disease and infant mortality.

Ancient medical doctors had little or no knowledge of germs and pathogens. Egyptians used such “remedies” as lizard blood, pelican dung, dead mice, urine, and moldy bread. Human as well as animal excrement was also commonly used in their medical procedures.

The ancient Egyptians picked up a variety of parasites from the contaminated waters of the Nile River and its irrigation canals. Likewise, many infants in Egypt died of diarrhea and similar disorders caused by contaminated food.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/science/gods-laws-hygiene-ahead-of-time/

Lol. The bible is so unscientific and cretarded.
Look at these points.

This aspect of methodological naturalism is also tied into the question of falsifiability - the idea that there must be a theoretical way in which a claim could be disproved in order for it to be science. For example, there is no way that a claim such as: "A god created the world with the appearance of age last Thursday" could be tested or disproved. And if it cannot be tested, it cannot even theoretically be disproved (falsified) and thus it cannot be a scientific claim. A somewhat different question associated with disproof is whether a statement is both and falsifiable and has actually been falsified. For example the claim "the Earth and the universe came into existence within seven days of each other" is a falsifiable claim - and it is also one which is easily falsified. In consequence, neither the "Last Thursday" claim nor the "Seven day creation" claim is "scientific" - but for different reasons.

Another aspect of science is the question of evidence. Evidence is crucial to the scientific method - if no evidence is found for a proposed hypothesis then it does not meet even the lowest threshold for scientific acceptance.

The question of evidence is also strongly associated with the concept of burden of proof. Simply stated, this concept maintains that it the responsibility of the person (or book) presenting a claim to provide evidence for its veracity - it is not the responsibility of third parties to disprove any claim.

Gross errors
Although this article focuses more on areas where the bible gets scientific detail wrong, it is also important to remember that a literalistic reading of the bible also contains gross scientific errors in cosmology, biology, geology, and linguistics. More information about each of these points is contained in the linked articles.

Six day creation
The idea that the Earth and the Universe were created in six days a few thousand years ago is completely unscientific. The age of the universe is calculated as being around 13.8 billion years while Earth is calculated to have formed 4.5 billion years ago. The difference between these two dates is significantly greater than six days. For those biblical literalists who argue for a 7,000 year old earth, there are multiple lines of evidence against a recent creation and—by extension—against a six day creation.

Human evolution
The claim that humans were the result of a special creation event at the end of this six day period is wrong. In fact, the evidence that humans and other animals evolved gradually over a period of some three to four billion years is overwhelming.

A global flood
There is no evidence for a global flood event as described in the Bible. While there is evidence for large floods in regions spanning all over the world, there is nothing to suggest one giant flood engulfed the planet surface. Many ancient tribes and religions across the globe have flood myths, likely arising from past events. This does not suggest the flood described in the story of Noah actually occurred.

Tower of Babel
There is no linguistic evidence for any of the events included in the Tower of Babel myth.

Biology
Anatomy of insects
Leviticus 11:20-23 (NIV):

All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

While some would see this as a scientific error, J.P. Holding has an "explanation":[3]

Is this an error -- since insects have six legs, not four, and since "fowl" have two legs, not four? The reference to "fowl" is thought by some skeptics to refer to birds, but the word used here is 'owph, which merely means a creature with wings -- it is the same word used in verse 21 (flying). The reference in both cases is to insects. But there is an even better - and more correct - answer.

Quite simply, the big back legs on the locust, etc. were not counted as "legs" in the same sense as the other legs. Let's use an illustration from our popular literature, George Orwell's Animal Farm. In this story, Snowball the pig invented the slogan, "Four legs good, two legs bad" so as to exclude humans from Animal Farm society. The geese and other fowl objected, because they had only two legs. Snowball explained (more clearly in the book than in the movie) that in animal terms, the birds' wings counted as legs because they were limbs of propulsion, not manipulation, as a human's arms and hands were.

Now note the differentiation in Leviticus above -- referring to "legs above the feet" for leaping. The "feet" are being differentiated from the "legs above the feet" because of their difference in function. They are legs, but in a different sense than the "four" legs which are just called "feet." We are being told of two types of legs: The "on all four" legs (which are nowhere called legs; they are only called "feet" [v. 23]), and the "leaping legs." It is clear that the Hebrews regarded the two large, hopping hind limbs of the locust and the other insects of the same type, which are the only types of insects mentioned here (we now translate "beetle" as "cricket", as something different than the other four limbs - perhaps because they were used primarily for vertical propulsion, whereas the other limbs were for scurrying around. (Shifts of terminology like this happen even today; check this proposal to redefine "planet".)

What the above explanation so clearly misses is the fact that when the Bible mentions that “All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you” [Group A] this group does not include those with leaping legs as shown by the fact that the very next passage states “There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground.” [Group B]

Now if the passages lacked the first half discussing Group A, evangelical apologists such as J.P. Holding may have some ground. But as the biblical text clearly differentiates Group A (those with no jointed legs) as separate to Group B (those with said jointed legs) and yet both groups are defined as having four legs, this argument can be of no defense. Even if J.P Holding were correct on the still unsubstantiated basis that the ancient Hebrews defined crickets and similar insects of Group B as having four typical legs and two "jointed legs" for leaping,that still would not explain the missing legs of the beetles and other non-leaping insects from Group A which are discussed separately.

More evidence of the unscientific nature of the Bible which these JW and Christians lie about
Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he [Jesus] forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Matthew 13:32:1 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.[4]

This argues that Jesus was wrong because there are smaller seeds in existence, like the orchid. One attempt to rationalise this, used by J. P. Holding [5] is to use a process called illegitimate totality transfer, where a single possible meaning out of many for a specific word in the original text is argued to be the only possible translation solely because it supports the inerrantist viewpoint: in this case, translating the Greek mikros (root of "microscopic" as "least" (5 other uses in the KJV, 5 least / less in the NAS) rather than little or small (20 uses for these two in the KJV, 41 references to something small in the NAS). It is difficult to make sense of the suggested translation: in what sense is mustard the "least" of seeds, compared to, say, the seeds of weeds? How is the seed useless if it grows into something great? And given the other half of the sentence refers to the mustard becoming tall, it makes no sense to say the first part is an "evaluation of worth" as Holding does. Holding also ignores that least is a synonym for smallest in English as well, so his totality transfer doesn't even solve his problem. Many non-KJV translations have outright rejected this attempted rationalisation and simply translate mikros as "smallest" in this case.

The NIV at one point took a more active stance of shoving the word "your" into the verse with no real precedent, but this was regarded as so unacceptable that the 2011 edition removed it.

Some versions refer to the mustard as a "shrub", which Holding characterises as an incorrect translation, claiming the word used (Lachanon) only means "vegetable" or "herb." This cunning argument is a win unless anyone happens to take the radical step of looking at Strong's Concordance, in which case one will find it has one other meaning he's not bothering to tell us about. Hm, "garden plant", but clearly "shrub" is a completely unacceptable translation because he says so.

A second problem is that the Bible incorrectly states mustard grows into a tree: rather than trying to BS his way out of this with the Lexicon or Concordance (because there are no alternate meanings for the word used), Holding takes the "it was right back then" approach by claiming that mustard would be classified as a tree because it is tall, ignoring that it never looks remotely like a tree: we're apparently just supposed to believe him that the classification system used to work this way. And one would think Jesus, being the guy who created trees and all, would know what was and was not one.

Ant behavior
Proverbs 6:6-8 (Willibrord) The English translation would look something like this:

6:6 Look at the ant, you lazy bum, watch her behavior and become wise.

6:7 She has no captain, no supervisor, no ruler,

6:8 but she makes sure that she has food in the summer and safeguards her food during harvest

The idea that the ant is an individual animal that does everything herself simply isn't true from a biological standpoint. Ants live in a colony with many subdivisions, which include workers and queens. Most ants in reality do only have one mission and that is to make sure that their queen is fed and alive to pass on the genes to a succeeding population. So, in a sense, worker ants do have rulers and the ant population does survive as a population, where every individual is dependent on another.

The Earth was created in 6 days…. How was the days being ascertained?
Adam and Eve. Genetics. Why don't i have 6 toes and 7 fingers? How does this explain Asians, Blacks, Native Americans, and white people?
Noah. Um…how did he get snakes and cats to not eat the mice, and other natural predators like lions and tigers and bears not eat him and his wife and kids. Oh my! And seriously wtf did Noah do about termites and bees, wasps and tarantulas, and poisonous spiders and Cobra snakes. You think he’d just let them die than handle them. Unless he spoke snake and spider. And the ahem.. .. genetics, we would all be six toed and 7 fingered inbreds all named Billy-Joe-Bob s with no racial differeces. Japan would also have a flood myth. I haven't heard of one yet. Noah’s flood myth, does not account for other religions.
Which are the major irrefutable unscientific mistakes in the Bible?
Obviously if the science is irrefutable, Christians have found a way to explain away the Bible passages. It’s not like there’s some Bible verse that says “the earth is flat” which they haven’t noticed yet. So you have to decide for yourself how good you think their explanation is.

Some obvious ones off the top of my head:

Creationism. Genesis 1-2
There are two different stories there, which contradict each other (e.g. was woman/Eve created before or after the animals?)
Christians say that “day” doesn’t mean a literal 24 hour period, but the text doesn’t just say “day”, it says “evening and morning”
even if the “days” are millions of years, the time line is all wrong, and there’s no mention of the really important creatures such as bacteria or insects - how can you have plants without insects?
with evolution there’s no first man, no first woman, and no first person.
firmament. In the above passage, and again in the story of Noah, the Bible talks about a “firmament”, or in some translations a “dome” or “vault” (as in the translation I linked to above). Note that the Bible says it keeps out the water above the earth, and that the sun, moon and stars all sit within that firmament. This only works if you assume a flat earth. And it only works if you think the sky is blue because there’s water above the sky.
Stars. The same passage I linked to above says that the stars were created for our benefit, for navigation and telling the seasons. In reality the universe is phenomenally big and earth is an infinitesimally small speck within it. This means that of course the rest of the universe - ie many of the stars, are much older than the earth, and existed long before humans did and will continue to exist after humans cease to exist.
linguistics. Not sure if you count this as a science, but the story of Babel (here: Genesis 11) tells us that the linguistic diversity today stems from God confusing everybody about 4000 years ago. Today we know that there’s a “family tree” of languages, not just lots of unconnected languages. There’s no way that all the “grandfather” languages could have arisen and died out i such a short time.
π. If you want to get really pedantic - which Christians love when it suits them - you could say that the Bible implies that π=3. Or you could be impressed that they were close enough, when they didn’t have a way to talk about fractions. "The Bible Says pi = 3"
Some people say that verses like Ecclesiastes 1:5, Psalm 19:6, Psalm 104:5 , Joshua 10:1-15, or Isaiah 38:1-8 suggest a geocentric world view, although I guess that’d debatable.
There’s also stories like Jacob’s goats, which Christians might say were a miracle rather than a statement about goat breeding, or the Nephilim, which seem unlikely. Or the constant phrase “the four corners of the earth” which Christians would say is just a figure of speech. Another thing that should give you pause for thought are all the “evil spirits” that were responsible for people’s physical or mental illnesses in the gospels, which today we would understand as being illnesses or abnormalities that have little or nothing spiritual about them.

So its’ not that many, but there’s not that many scientific claims in the Bible. The few it makes - notably, creation - don’t hold up very well. There’s also historical errors in the gospels, but that’s another story.

joyandfaith:



At the that time, your gods of science thought earth was flat and had no idea about water cycle but Bible put that in simple sentence that people would understand. Bible is not a scientific book. is that not amazing.
Ancient medical doctors had little or no knowledge of germs and pathogens. Egyptians used such “remedies” as lizard blood, pelican dung, dead mice, urine, and moldy bread. Human as well as animal excrement was also commonly used in their medical procedures.
The ancient Egyptians picked up a variety of parasites from the contaminated waters of the Nile River and its irrigation canals. Likewise, many infants in Egypt died of diarrhea and similar disorders caused by contaminated food.
can u show any ancient book that touches matter of water cycle, earth being circle not flat and health matter?

That JW book you copied this is dead wrong. They are feeding you with poison. Ancient Egyptians knew much about science and technology. Do you know the pyramids came before your Bible was supposedly written?

DrLiveLogic:


No. And god never told anyone they need a book to determine right and wrong. The conscience does that. And just as you believe in a conscience you can't see, it is possible to realise god without seeing him.
The reason for giving laws is that laws on a paper are like a document that's untampered with. However, just like you are imperfect, and imperfection affects your memory, intelligence and all. So does your imperfection tamper with your conscience, hence the need for a document for universal reference

Yahweh told some people to stone some people to death for having foreskin and working on sabbath. How do you see that

TheMadame:



Without prejudice to your points you do not throw away the baby with the bath water. Religion and the bible do have their uses and have shaped civilisations.

I hope you know slavers use the Bible to back their act

TheMadame:



Education. Many of us attended missionary schools.
Like I said don't throw away the baby with the bath water even if religion has its evident flaws that can mostly be attributed to the leadership.

True. Thats a good one. Though I didn’t attend it

God is truly mighty, see as atheists keep hallucinating about someone they claim does not exist.

Same way you lot hallucinate on Islamic threads. In fact there are more christians in islamic threads than the muslims themselves. Reason why Seun had to separate you guys

MightySparrow:



Check it. He is the only God that tells us about the beginning even the first man and woman, the parents of all human beings with names and location. He is the only God that hàs written the programme of the earth in prophecies and has proven correct till now. He is the only one that has talked about everything happening now. He is the only God that personality shows Himself to people to convert them when necessary. He is the only one that walked His own through all civilizations and has record in history. His name is I Am. Hallelujah!

1. How did he write the creation story in the Bible? Did he use pen and paper?
2. Which specific prophecies have come to pass? Besides many non christians have made prophesies that happened better than the Bible. I hope you know Covid was prophesied by non christian book but no christian book or prophet saw it
3. How did Yahweh talk about what's happening now?
4. He showed himself only in the bible and subsequently has been doing a good job of hiding from us
5. What do u mean walking his own?

MightySparrow:


Yọu aren't actually right. Isaac Newton is a colossus in the field of science, he wrote exposition on the prophecy of Daniel, Michael Faraday was an organist in his church very devoted, he gave us electricity you are enjoying today, he rejecteed the honour given to him by the Queen, he wasa a devoted Christian. Humphrey Davy, and a host of others. Our own man Gabriel Oyibo whose work in the Theory of Everything (GAGUT) is still under scrutiny for possible Alfred Nobel prize is a devoted Christian.
Aso, I will be striving to be my best in both.

Religion has not proven God wrong. We, both scientists and religionists have limitations when we talk about knowledge, we are both searching.

You totally misunderstand me. Did their religious mind interfere with their scientific mind? No. Lemme explain. Newton didn’t say 'This Apple fall to the ground because god did it' instead he investigated it. Besides I told you he isn't a Christian. He repeatedly distanced himself from the idea of a personal God. He refused a tradition Jewish burial. All in all, not very religious.
About Davy, I couldn't get anything religious about him apart from this quote 'Davy believed that understanding science would allow man to control the world around him, beginning an uneasy tension between science and religion'
All in all, you totally ignored the fact there are more atheists and agnostic scientists and that they have made the world better

MightySparrow:
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Einstein prayed the traditional Hebrew prayer before gis death. There's a no known branches of science that are filled with atheists. Majority of them believe in one thing on the other.

1. No. Einstein isn't religious. And I just searched the internet and couldn't find any strong evidence he did any Hebrew prayer.
This is what I found.
He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein#:~:text=He%20clarified%20however%20that%2C%20%22I,lifetime%20with%20several%20humanist%20groups.

2. In fact, a Christian or religious scientist is an endangered specie.
Only 14.6 percent of the mathematicians embraced the God hypothesis (versus 5.5 percent of the biologists).

But here is something you probably didn’t know. Most mathematicians believe in heaven.
This is almost certainly based on a survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) regarding religious belief conducted in 1998 by Edward J. Larson and Larry Witham, and published in Nature Magazine.

It's important to understand that membership in the National Academy of Sciences is by election only, and only the very top level, elite scientists make it in. A PhD is virtually a requirement, and most are very highly respected research scientists working in academia. Nearly 10% of the membership are Nobel Prize winners. So the viewpoints of this group concerning religion are almost certainly different from the more broad group you call "Scientists in the U.S.", which would include a much larger pool and which would probably be somewhat closer in their responses to the population as a whole.

The survey found that only 7% of NAS members (that responded to the survey) indicated a belief in a "personal god". 72.2% disbelieve in a personal god, and the remaining 20.8% expressed "doubt or agnosticism" towards the idea of a personal god.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/books/review/Holt-t.html#:~:text=Only%2014.6%20percent%20of%20the,Most%20mathematicians%20believe%20in%20heaven.

Dtruthspeaker:



Knowing and seeing are 2 different things.

Eg you know your children shall pass or fail jamb yet you see what they shall do.

Wtf are you on?
If I, an omniscient being know something as a fact, why would I 'see what they shall do'?
That means I'm not even sure
And thus not omniscient

MightySparrow:



There are no inadequacies in the Bible. If you are reading it for criticism, you can't grasp anything. Why is it that no christians agree with you. Yet, there are many Christians that have acquired more certificates than you. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome had an D.Sc, not Honourary. Adeboye Oyedepo, Kumuyi, etc are gifted eggheads. Paul Enenche, Uma Ukpai etc are medical doctors.
Don't just stay in one obscure corner and be playing all - wise.

1. I wanted to engage you on those lies and errors in the bible on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
But you turned tail and ran away, saying you don't engage atheists. Yet here you are engaging me cos this topic doesn't expose the Bible fvck ups
2. None of the Christians there on that thread could counter any of the errors and lies, and I haven't even finished the errors that I have in my archives. I kept the best for last
3. No. None of those pastors have more certificates than me. I have an MBBCH, plus others.
Pastor Chris Ph.Ds were all honorary, contrary to your claim.
Adeboye Oyedepo, Kumuyi have their basic qualifications
Paul Enenche is the only physician there while also contrary to your claims, Ukpai isn't a physician.
So lie another lie

Dantedasz:



It's like you do not understand what it means when you say something/somebody is OMNISCIENT!

Lol. I have had this debate with many Christians. They truly don't understand what omniscient is

Dtruthspeaker:


As i said, you know your children will pass or fail jamb or will play football and may wound themselves, yet all these Knowings did not stop you from seeing.

Knowing and seeing aka watching are 2 different things.

Reread this thing you wrote. Does it make sense. Are you saying an omniscient god is second guessing himself?

jaephoenix:

1. I wanted to engage you on those lies and errors in the bible on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
But you turned tail and ran away, saying you don't engage atheists. Yet here you are engaging me cos this topic doesn't expose the Bible fvck ups
2. None of the Christians there on that thread could counter any of the errors and lies, and I haven't even finished the errors that I have in my archives. I kept the best for last
3. No. None of those pastors have more certificates than me. I have an MBBCH, plus others.
Pastor Chris Ph.Ds were all honorary, contrary to your claim.
Adeboye Oyedepo, Kumuyi have their basic qualifications
Paul Enenche is the only physician there while also contrary to your claims, Ukpai isn't a physician.
So lie another lie

Adeboye has Ph. D in Mathematics, Oyedepo, Chris Oyakhilome are not pure scientists bur architects. Oyedepo bagged pH. D in human Development not Honourary. Anyway, this doesn't remove the fact that Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilei, Michael Faraday were leading scientists in their time. So, how does your MBBS oppose God? There are several medical practionals that believe in one deity or the other all over the world. Ben Carson is one. If you schooled in Nigeria, or elsewhere, are all your lectures atheists?

jaephoenix:

1. No. Einstein isn't religious. And I just searched the internet and couldn't find any strong evidence he did any Hebrew prayer.
This is what I found.
He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein#:~:text=He%20clarified%20however%20that%2C%20%22I,lifetime%20with%20several%20humanist%20groups.

2. In fact, a Christian or religious scientist is an endangered specie.
Only 14.6 percent of the mathematicians embraced the God hypothesis (versus 5.5 percent of the biologists).

But here is something you probably didn’t know. Most mathematicians believe in heaven.
This is almost certainly based on a survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) regarding religious belief conducted in 1998 by Edward J. Larson and Larry Witham, and published in Nature Magazine.

It's important to understand that membership in the National Academy of Sciences is by election only, and only the very top level, elite scientists make it in. A PhD is virtually a requirement, and most are very highly respected research scientists working in academia. Nearly 10% of the membership are Nobel Prize winners. So the viewpoints of this group concerning religion are almost certainly different from the more broad group you call "Scientists in the U.S.", which would include a much larger pool and which would probably be somewhat closer in their responses to the population as a whole.

The survey found that only 7% of NAS members (that responded to the survey) indicated a belief in a "personal god". 72.2% disbelieve in a personal god, and the remaining 20.8% expressed "doubt or agnosticism" towards the idea of a personal god.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/books/review/Holt-t.html#:~:text=Only%2014.6%20percent%20of%20the,Most%20mathematicians%20believe%20in%20heaven.

Exactly my point. If a percentage not matter how small ,can have a different view from a whole lot. That is enough to work with. If for instance, the average number of people in a class is 45.3, you don't have ⅛ of human being. So, since we have a number that view things differently, we should now find out why?
In Islam, Prophet Mohammed wrote about sperm developing from the backbone. Yet there are professors of medicine that believe his message. So, I don't still see how science goes against believe in a personal or corporate God.
About Albert Einstein I read my own in the special edition of Time magazine. The Man of the Century. as we cannot absolutely reject Wikipedia, I don't really take their reportage too seriously. Anybody can edit and write anything.

jaephoenix:

You totally misunderstand me. Did their religious mind interfere with their scientific mind? No. Lemme explain. Newton didn’t say 'This Apple fall to the ground because god did it' instead he investigated it. Besides I told you he isn't a Christian. He repeatedly distanced himself from the idea of a personal God. He refused a tradition Jewish burial. All in all, not very religious.
About Davy, I couldn't get anything religious about him apart from this quote 'Davy believed that understanding science would allow man to control the world around him, beginning an uneasy tension between science and religion'
All in all, you totally ignored the fact there are more atheists and agnostic scientists and that they have made the world better

Okay, I admit I misunderstood you. I once belonged to a group, Navigators, a time came some of them came to visit us in Nigeria. The leader of my group, a surgeon, from ABU, was introducing them . One of them was an astronaut! I thought people like that should not believe in a personal God, I was wrong.

jaephoenix:

Same as the bible. But you ran away when the inadequacies of the bible was presented to you

I don't remember you presented inadequacies to me. Represent it please.

Dtruthspeaker:


And I have answered it by showing you examples of you knowing the consequences of an action, (predetermination) yet you watch and stand by to see and what people shall do in the exercise and free use of their will and desire to choose their actions and consequences.

Oga,
As other posters on this thread have told you. I am not a god neither do I claim to be omniscient!
This your argument no follow at all!

Caveatemptor:



But he is omniscient and knows what I am going to write and he knows that what I wrote will make you respond as you just did. So where is the FREEWILL?

The freewill is the air you still breath now. The fact that your fingers are not numb after typing this. Freewill is that you choose to insult him as you like, but you carry on as though nothing happened. But, a day will come that you wish you had chosen not to do what you do now.

Caveatemptor:



But he is omniscient and knows what I am going to write and he knows that what I wrote will make you respond as you just did. So where is the FREEWILL?

Guy, say what you want now that you have the freedom to. because, very soon, you will no longer have that freewill to. And it won't be YHWH stopping you, it will be your master stopping you. I listened to one scientist postulating that in 15yrs from now, AI robots will take over the running of our society considerably.
And, you know what? These AIs are not from God. Elon Musk says AIs are driven by ETS. Do you know what ETS are? Demons. Yes demons. They will take away your freedom.
Why God allows you to insult him and go free, it's so that you wld appreciate it when Satan takes away your right. AI won't recognize who is an atheist or theist.
So, buckle up, it's coming

Dantedasz:
I have posted a thread about the abuse of women and children in the catholic church.
See the link below.


https://www.nairaland.com/4699322/decades-sexual-abuse-catholic-church


I have posted a thread about sexism and how the bible abuses women.
See link below.


https://www.nairaland.com/5855287/abuse-women-bible







So I decided to open a thread on my random musings and daily observation of religion. These are just my thoughts and feelings.

You are still here. When are you going to get a life?