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Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 8:52am On Jul 04, 2023
Reality3080:
church where everything they do can’t b found in d Bible n when u a fellow Christian tell them about it u suddenly become an enemy of Christ

Imagine Christ Embassy chorister( male) dey use earrings n everyone is doing their thing as if it’s normal

Even person wey dey drum( guy ooo) use earrings n they don’t see any big deal about it

I rather stay at home than go to those churches cos it’s obvious there’s nothing like presence of Holy Ghost in there
wait e don reach so?😮
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by HydraFeeds(m): 8:59am On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
which disadvantage, like Catholic nor get their doctrine which dey imposed with d sword
catholic is the original owner of Christianity . They have the right to their authority .
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:02am On Jul 04, 2023
HydraFeeds:
catholic is the original owner of Christianity . They have the right to their authority .
who told u dey r d original owner of Christianity, dats blasphemy.
Catholic church have always boosted abt dis..nor vex..Christianity have been exiting bfor roman Catholic church was even born
Noah,Methuselah, Abraham, were dey not Christians
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by HydraFeeds(m): 9:17am On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
who told u dey r d original owner of Christianity, dats blasphemy.
Catholic church have always boosted abt dis..nor vex..Christianity have been exiting bfor roman Catholic church was even born
Noah,Methuselah, Abraham, were dey not Christians
those people you mentioned were not Christians but Jewish .

Jesus ministered in Roman Empire and Christianity started from there .
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:18am On Jul 04, 2023
iykofias:
Believers Love World AKA Christ Embassy, say no more
how u take know oo😂😂😂
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:20am On Jul 04, 2023
HydraFeeds:
those people you mentioned were not Christians but Jewish .

Jesus ministered in Roman Empire and Christianity started from there .
so because dey r Jewish,dey r not Christians😂😂.Jews are more or less like an ethnic group..mk una dey try 1 claim mother church...dis is blasphemy
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:20am On Jul 04, 2023
iykofias:
Believers Love World AKA Christ Embassy, say no more
how u take know oo😂😂😂
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by Emaprince: 9:21am On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
but in d end,u can't server God frm home
You can serve God just by obeying his commands. Never by going to church.

Going to church is good because, as a true born again, you feel the joy of being in the midst of many voices singing praises and lifting the name of God higher. And also to hear the word of God, even though the preacher might be a sinner.

My post wasn't alluding that going to church is bad. It clearly advices that, instead of going to church to show off your fashion, figures, and tempt men, it is better to sit at home..because you are wasting your time.

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Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:23am On Jul 04, 2023
vikiphy89:
Just tell us say na Christ embassy or winners chapel you go.
winners dont dress in a sexy manner
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:25am On Jul 04, 2023
Emaprince:
You can serve God just by obeying his commands. Never by going to church.

Going to church is good because, as a true born again, you feel the joy of being in the midst of many voices singing praises and lifting the name of God higher. And also to hear the word of God, even though the preacher might be a sinner.

My post wasn't alluding that going to church is bad. It clearly advices that, instead of going to church to show off your fashion, figures, and tempt men, it is better to sit at home..because you are wasting your time.
its good made a point...our discussion is a very good ,open minded type.if it were to b some..insults wud have ensued...
But at d end of d day,not all churches must b like this.,...
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:28am On Jul 04, 2023
nzechu:
minding four business na wetin Dr cause the world de spoil de go
any person who says dat word "mind ur business..." I just know dey r d ones dat are claiming open eye...if u check dis person,he supports lgbt
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:32am On Jul 04, 2023
Stevengold:


Your thoughts,
Now mine: even if 100% of churches are used for factories. Your government will pull it down!
Ask yourself how many government owned institutions or factories still functions?

The one individuals try to build they frustrate them with heavy tax levy.
I live in a state where the government told a construction 🚧 company that wanted to base in Nigeria. 60/40. That is, government will own 40% and they 60% outrageous.
Before innoson motors got a name in Nigeria, do you know the battles


Your country doesn't like good things, the goal is to keep everyone pooor. So even if they change churches to factories, government will pull it down. Na me dey tell you. simple, so let's pray our way out instead.
dis ur word mks sense o🤔🤔
Same tin dey did to crypto
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:51am On Jul 04, 2023
maivd:

Keep lying to yourself islam is satanic. Islamic countries are witnessing mass exodus from islam in unprecedented numbers...your imams are crying all over the world...watch if you doubt me.....stay away from the religion of lies
leave dis person na..let him b lying der..in Iran alone,last year,e didnt know d uprising led ppo to run frm islam
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:55am On Jul 04, 2023
maivd:

You are simply referring to misdirected and shallow Christians...they don't understand what it takes to be committed to Christ...they are still coming up,if you check them in the next 15 to 20years they will be full of fire for God. But you see islam it draws you closer to the devil...the longer you stay in islam the more evil inclined you become. Its a hole the leads to darkness.


hmmm.nawa..those who have made confessions abt Islam has never said a good tin
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 9:57am On Jul 04, 2023
themanderon:
Modernization is man's creation. It does not change God who is the ancient of days. He lives outside of time and he has told us to be modest in all our doings. Most of those churches where they do such things do not worship the true God. They just come to church and make noise with their praise and worship then go home feeling absolutely empty.
mk noise😂😂😂
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 10:03am On Jul 04, 2023
SeriouslySense:
At least you seem to have some self restraint. But do you understand the Gospel.

And Christianity is not in competition with any religion, even if almost all the world left it, it does not change the good news.

It does not make it any lesser, neither does it diminish the Hope of the Gospel.

People leave religion all the time, because they get tired of being oppressed or they are shocked at certain things, or they have certain convictions. However each person should have the opportunity to choose what they believe.

Your religion, does not even give people the chance to leave it, without the threat of a death sentence. There are cases of such in Iran, Sudan and even Nigeria. Although i think in southern Nigeria, they could leave without been killed or threatened or ostracized.

In Iran people are leaving their religion many are atheist and many are becoming Christians, because the Iranians were very intelligent people and they can reason, so when they recognized the leadership was becoming extreme, they got tired.

d leader was oppressing dem using religion
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by HydraFeeds(m): 10:05am On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
so because dey r Jewish,dey r not Christians😂😂.Jews are more or less like an ethnic group..mk una dey try 1 claim mother church...dis is blasphemy
Mr man ,they’re ethnic group and they’re also religious group that practice Judaism . Get your fact straight.

Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 11:36am On Jul 04, 2023
SonOfHercules:
Today was kinda funny tho...
One lady was just calling states and capitals thinking she was teaching us how to pray in tongues. I was just hearing sokotomaliba, Anambrayaya. I couldn't stop myself from smiling.

The other one just wore a fitted dress and be shaking her waist. I just observed and focused on my mission since we can't permanently shut our organs.
instead of u to close ur eyes n focus,u r praying n d same time looking at yanch
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 11:37am On Jul 04, 2023
Krismas:
grin Same church with the highest SATANIC SUBLIMINALS? Just take a look at the arch way into a worship hall grin
That represents a woman’s Virginia.
It’s occultic
y u say dis na😂😂

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Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 11:39am On Jul 04, 2023
HydraFeeds:
Mr man ,they’re ethnic group and they’re also religious group that practice Judaism . Get your fact straight.

non of us were wrong...u jump go Google, abi u didn't c dat word "ethnorilgious".
C who dey talk of get ur fact straight😂😂😁😁
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by HydraFeeds(m): 11:43am On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
non of us were wrong...u jump go Google, abi u didn't c dat word "ethnorilgious".
C who dey talk of get ur fact straight😂😂😁😁
you’re wrong Mr man ,in my context I was referring to the religious aspect that those people you mentioned were not Christians but Jewish . . Using google was just as a source of reference to buttress my point .

To further proof my point , it’s the council of Nicaea that collated the Bible ,this council is Roman Catholic .
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 12:07pm On Jul 04, 2023
thinkmoney:

I advice you go back to the Bible and get to know what we came here to do and our final destiny really.
You have referred to our dressing standard and even sexual orientation as though it is not something Bible defines and regulate. You are either ignorant or lying as I will point to you that God actually through the Bible regulates our dressing by two/three standards;
1. It was in the beginning in Eden that God actually fist start to define and regulate dressing standards. The standard God set there was that clothings must cover. God replaced the clothes our first parent made with leaves with that made of animal skins.
2: God enjoins us to dress in a way that we won’t be mistaken to other sex or people that the world sees as belong to some culture with ungodly vices.
3: this encapsulate everything, and it is that our conduct and clothing must glorify God “FOR THERE ARE CLOUD OF WITNESSES AROUND US.”

You remember I said at the very beginning that I do not know your religion but then you boasted that the Bible regulates you. But this hasn’t been evident in your argument. I have made in all my response references to Bible events and even quoted Bible, and you haven’t been able to fault any of this. But you on the other hand, have hardly made reference to anything from the Bible. One can conclude that you are not really being regulated by the Bible but by human (limited and deficient) wisdom and traditions.
You have even gone 180 degrees by going against your advice not to judge by directly judging me and falsely saying that ‘me and people like me’ define dressing standards and condemn people.
Dressing like gay issue has been refined and regulated by the Bible. And I have all the while shown you this
sorry for d guy na..u 1 kill am😁😁
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 12:10pm On Jul 04, 2023
ukaface:

My dear no mind them o
They have changed everything upside down o
That’s how they were forcing me to speak in tongues, I started saying shits and that’s when I heard ‘ yes yes, speak it, that’s the spirit’
Which kine spirit? On top the gibberish wey I Dey formulate Yeye sets of Christians, they make me tired of church
dey must force d spirit out. U never c anything😂😂
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 12:18pm On Jul 04, 2023
HydraFeeds:
you’re wrong Mr man ,in my context I was referring to the religious aspect that those people you mentioned were not Christians but Jewish . . Using google was just as a source of reference to buttress my point .

To further proof my point , it’s the council of Nicaea that collated the Bible ,this council is Roman Catholic .
leave all this u r claiming...d Ethiopian eunuch ,was e not a Christian?Christians already exist... Catholic church n their bragging rights...just drop all dat.....u just want to claim u r right..u saw a word der ethno.....u r still saying ...kai..
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 12:25pm On Jul 04, 2023
remsonik:
I have been to a church in Allen like that and I experienced same. They don't cover their heads or dress decently. They speak in tongues and when one person speaks someone will translate it to the members.

Their service doesn't end on Sunday early but till late at night around 10pm. They just take a 2 hours break after morning service between 3pm-5pm before they start the evening service. Even you will see cross dressers in the church
wait,for dis Nigeria?
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by thinkmoney(m): 12:25pm On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
sorry for d guy na..u 1 kill am😁😁
The guy pressure me small jare

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Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by elonize(m): 12:29pm On Jul 04, 2023
thinkmoney:

The guy pressure me small jare
just a question, y is d Catholics always claiming Christianity came frm dem..
N wen I mentioned to sm1 here dat,Christianity has been in existence, I mentioned Noah n co.he said dey r Jewish n dats their way. E even went to research n brought it out to me n in d definition of Jew..dey said dey r ethnoreligious group.
I den ask d Catholic guy if e saw dat line n neida of us were wrong or right..
E was still arguing it..plz wen dey say ethno religious,wat does it mean?
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by thinkmoney(m): 12:36pm On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
just a question, y is d Catholics always claiming Christianity came frm dem..
N wen I mentioned to sm1 here dat,Christianity has been in existence, I mentioned Noah n co.he said dey r Jewish n dats their way. E even went to research n brought it out to me n in d definition of Jew..dey said dey r ethnoreligious group.
I den ask d Catholic guy if e saw dat line n neida of us were wrong or right..
E was still arguing it..plz wen dey say ethno religious,wat does it mean?
I think I have a good answer to this through Bible and history. I will only be able to answer after work please. But I will definitely respond today
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by Stevengold(m): 12:40pm On Jul 04, 2023
sotall:


Yes the government has its own blames in Nigeria's economic woes and underdevelopment but my writeup was focusing on the part of the citizens as they too are responsible for what Nigeria has become today.

A people who have been indoctrinated and brainwashed by religion can never be productive.
They are mentally lazy and have conditioned their mind and energy into believing and wishfull thinking which are by-products of prayers.

Have you wondered why we barely produce most of what we use in our day to day life?

How did other progressive countries get to where they are today? They didn't pray nor started to believe in imaginary things. They worked for it.




Truth is, you can't use a generic behavioral pattern of some people to Justify others.
The same church or religion you claimed has brainwashed people, it's same church or relegion that has made many.
I know how many criminals who have repented, I know Killers, thieves cultist etc, who turned away from their evil deeds because of the gospel. I also know how many have been helped by the church to stand in live. I know a cultist who is now preaching, whilst his mates are dead. I was a product of a visionless youth before I was liberated by God.


The only issue is the infiltration in the church (body of Christ) , so don't blame the ones with low IQ falling for the ones with the ability to brainwash.
If the society is standardized most of these false churches won't stand.
If work full ground. 70% of Nigerian youths will reject bribes.


Keeping the masses poor has always been the agenda, and with that you cannot have ur decision.




Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by HydraFeeds(m): 1:02pm On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
leave all this u r claiming...d Ethiopian eunuch ,was e not a Christian?Christians already exist... Catholic church n their bragging rights...just drop all dat.....u just want to claim u r right..u saw a word der ethno.....u r still saying ...kai..
christianity started from Rome . And Roman Catholic was the earliest organized church . They organized Christianity,most churches nowadays if not all originated from Catholic(you can prove me wrong by mentioning churches that didn’t originate from Catholic ).

The people you mentioned earlier were not Christians but Jewish ,all Old Testament characters are ,that Jewish is an ethnic group does not mean it’s not a religious group as well,they’re called ethnoreligious group for a reason . For your information,the holy book of Judaism is Torah which is Old Testament of the holy Bible with a little addendum.

In my context ,I was referring to the people you mentioned as a religious group but not an ethnic group ,Moses ,Abraham and methuselah existed before Jesus and they’re not Christians.

N:B I’m not a Christian let alone a Catholic .
Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by Krismas(m): 7:00pm On Jul 04, 2023
AgentNnamdi:


shocked I am seeing a door with fancy POP design. And you are seeing a vagn*** shocked

Go and Read some of the James Allen's books.
grin LOL
MUMU
Is it until ur church’s door is as explicit as that of CHURCH OF LUMINANTS before u get the gist?

Re: Modernization In The Church! I Felt Odd by thinkmoney(m): 9:18pm On Jul 04, 2023
elonize:
just a question, y is d Catholics always claiming Christianity came frm dem..
N wen I mentioned to sm1 here dat,Christianity has been in existence, I mentioned Noah n co.he said dey r Jewish n dats their way. E even went to research n brought it out to me n in d definition of Jew..dey said dey r ethnoreligious group.
I den ask d Catholic guy if e saw dat line n neida of us were wrong or right..
E was still arguing it..plz wen dey say ethno religious,wat does it mean?
Christianity didn’t come from catholic.
When we understand the Bible we will see clearly that Christianity is a religion that had its start from the very early beginning.
This religion is based on the Bible and the Bible made us know that humans had direct relationship with God in the beginning. They had laws guiding them and they were happy. There was the prospect of this happiness continuing forever.
But then human defaulted and the direct relationship with God ended. They started suffering the opposite of things they should enjoy.
God almost immediately developed a plan on how to restore this relationship and the happy state of humans.
Then there came a time that maybe because of the unfavorable worsening conditions, people started calling on the name of God. We can imagine they started praying, treating their neighbors well and sacrificing all sort of things from their properties of livestock and plants just in an attempt to curry Gods favor. “There was also born to Seth a son, and he named him Eʹnosh. At that time people began calling on the name of Yahweh.” Genesis 4:26. This is a stage of religion... a continuation of human attempt at relationship with God.
In the aforementioned period, it was the conscience of people (which hasn’t become as bad as it is now) that was regulating all they were doing. Adam too that related directly with God was alive most of this time to most likely tell stories of the reality and power of God. Enoch too preached around this time.
Then God revealed himself to Abraham after the flood. He went on with the practice of making sacrifices to appease God. He even gave a tithe to a priest-king at Gods instruction. Still in this time, people were generally guided by their conscience.
The Bible based religion took a formal form when God after some thousands of years gave Moses some laws, rituals and codes to guide a set of people. They started practicing what we know today as Judaism (Judaism as a term and religion today though is very different from the religion and code of conduct God revealed to Moses).
This new stage of relationship with God was part of a phase of human relationship with God, it will soon metamorphosis and develop into another phase.
The Religion of Moses continued too for some thousands of years. This religion we have come to know was basically in many aspect a kind of blueprint or raw data to a religion that will be Christianity. Example, aspects like sacrificing of lamps in the religion of Moses was a pointer to the future when Jesus will be sacrificed.
Moses religion was an “ethnoreligion“ as it was a religion that was basically known to be practiced by a particular tribe which is Israelites. To practice this kind of religion one will in some ways nationalize and become Israelite.
Jesus like Moses then came and gave many rules and guidelines to ways we can better relate with God. He based this rules on the prior revealed rules of Moses. He however pointed that many of the practices in the time of Moses were like a sample and pointer to what he was teaching. Hence many of Jesus guidelines though precipitated on Moses laws were a more developed version of it. Example, Jesus now showed that it’s not just a limited set of people that can worship God in a delineated geographically environment but that it’s all people from everywhere in the world that can relate with God by the guidelines Jesus revealed. Hence, Christianity which is a further developed form of Moses religion went beyond ethnicity and became a global religion. It’s not an “ethnoreligion”.
This phase of relationship with God was later termed Christianity after Jesus CHRIST. (Like the former phase was called Moses religion). We are presently in that phase of relationship.
Catholicism too didn’t start like a formal name. It’s was another way some Christians started recognizing themselves. It meant universal religion. And it’s because Christians about a 100years after Jesus were in many places of the world.
Later this catholic as a term became not just another way some Christians were identifying themselves but also a way they started using to differentiate themselves from other Christians. This is because some sad conditions started springing up shortly after Jesus death. Christians started dividing into sects. Some followed more Paul, others thought themselves as Apollo’s followers, while some think Peter was the sole authority. Later there were those that called themselves ‘the church’, some universal (catholic) church and some Arian’s.
Out of these groups, it was catholic that gained political influence and then recognition. Then many emperors converted to catholic version of Christianity. In the year 380 or there about, Emperor Theodosios 1 proclaimed catholic version of Christianity the state religion. All this while even till today, other sects were available in different forms and with varying doctrines.

I hope with my long history and explanation I have given you a better knowledge to understand and even explain to somebody like that your friend in the future.
I must point out to you though, that Catholics from almost when it became a state religion have deviated from the teachings of the Bible just like Judaism we know today do not really conform to the religion of Moses.

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