aswani:


You might be comfortable with allowing big men to intimidate you when you yourself can identify nonsense going on even with your laymans knowledge, I am not.

Obi and his mighty SAN's are yet to prove anything.

We’ll see about that when the judges rule.

Penguin2:

It doesn’t matter the standpoint or side that Ikpeazu has always stood in his cases, does it deny him of the experience?

And does being 3rd in line in the Obi petition mean he will not offer his full legal services and bring his experience to bare on the case?

Like I said before, I’m not saying they have done the best of jobs, but I won’t let you dismiss their efforts until the court rules.

By the way, what have you to say on INEC and Tinubu’s poor defence? I know you and Fergie always argue that a petitioner cannot be hoping to win his case based on weak defence of the respondent, but did you expect INEC, Tinubu and APC defence to be this shabby?

Tinubu’s star witness was asked, “how many states are in Nigeria”, and he fell yakata and said “36”. Does that not make mess of all the arguments you people have been making here that Abuja is a state?

See, you can’t claim this case is Uhuru for Tinubu, you just can’t.

If you have been following court cases,you would notice that the defence hardly waste time in defending cases.during the 2015 guber cases in aks and rivers,the defence put no argument and I believed it was over.during the pre hearing,while obi and atiku were asking for 7 weeks,tinubu lawyers just needed one week and with cases being consolidated,they had even less time.in 2019, the defence used about two weeks.the lone inec witness simply took care of the glitches, irev and upload which concerns inec.bsmidele took care of qualifications.the apc lawyer fagbemi clearly said there's no need to open any case as they will depend on positive response extracted from obi's witnesses just as they did in 2019.the only time I remember the defence wasting time is obaseki certificate case.the defence in aks,rivers and Lagos has started closing their cases in less than a week.

Me and Fergie didn't say a petitioner must prove his case on its strength.it is an age long judicial principle.wgatever we say and do abd what apc are doing have been decided or backed by case laws and extant laws unlike you that speaks anyhow without reference.this is why obi is losing,there's no precedent to work with...assuming the court annuls the election solely on FCT,how does it help obi? You are bothering about apc star witness when your own star witness already fumbled.this is ironic.comot body

Lotanna2:



If you have been following court cases,you would notice that the defence hardly waste time in defending cases.during the 2015 guber cases in aks and rivers,the defence put no argument and I believed it was over.during the pre hearing,while obi and atiku were asking for 7 weeks,tinubu lawyers just needed one week and with cases being consolidated,they had even less time.in 2019, the defence used about two weeks.the lone inec witness simply took care of the glitches, irev and upload which concerns inec.bsmidele took care of qualifications.the apc lawyer fagbemi clearly said there's no need to open any case as they will depend on positive response extracted from obi's witnesses just as they did in 2019.the only time I remember the defence wasting time is obaseki certificate case.the defence in aks,rivers and Lagos has started closing their cases in less than a week.

Me and Fergie didn't say a petitioner must prove his case on its strength.it is an age long judicial principle.wgatever we say and do abd what apc are doing have been decided or backed by case laws and extant laws unlike you that speaks anyhow without reference.this is why obi is losing,there's no precedent to work with...assuming the court annuls the election solely on FCT,how does it help obi? You are bothering about apc star witness when your own star witness already fumbled.this is ironic.comot body

INEC brought their ICT employee to speak to glitches which is just one leg of Obi’s petition against INEC.

What was INEC’s defence of Obi’s claim that he won Rivers, Benue and Akwa Ibom?

Penguin2:

INEC brought their ICT employee to speak to glitches which is just one leg of Obi’s petition against INEC.

What was INEC’s defence of Obi’s claim that he won Rivers, Benue and Akwa Ibom?

Oga,when did obi say he won akwa ibom? Another issue with obidients is imagination and illusion.why must you superimpose things for obi? Any way,obi proof of winning rivers and benue is via irev which is secondary evidence going by adeleke vs oyetola supra and regulations 93 of inec guidelines.the inec director already explained that there can be issues during uploading.

Lotanna2:


Oga,when did obi say he won akwa ibom? Another issue with obidients is imagination and illusion.why must you superimpose things for obi? Any way,obi proof of winning rivers and benue is via irev which is secondary evidence going by adeleke vs oyetola supra and regulations 93 of inec guidelines.the inec director already explained that there can be issues during uploading.

So you didn’t hear Obi submitted form EC8As for Rivers, Benue, Akwa Ibom, Lagos, Plateau, Taraba, Adamawa, etc?

Seems you choose what to see and what not to see depending on how it satisfies your biases.

Penguin2:

So you didn’t hear Obi submitted form EC8As for Rivers, Benue, Akwa Ibom, Lagos, Plateau, Taraba, Adamawa, etc?

Seems you choose what to see and what not to see depending on how it satisfies your biases.

He submitted forms for 21 states.does it mean he won 21 States? The truth of the matter is that the manual forms is worse for obi than irev that is why he is silent.assuming he was rigged out,apc covered their tracks well in other states except rivers and benue where they started rigging late after results were uploaded.he must have matched the figures and decided to go with irev which has up to 18000 blurred results...

Outside the law,obi cannot win in court.go back to the judgment in shettima case,the judges attacked pdp for trying to media bully them.this is an indirect warning to lp.amina Augie personally attacked atiku which shows their bias against the opposition.
Let's go to the TRIBUNAL,see how the president Monica was shoved aside.like Fergie stated,at least two to three of those five judges will be picked for supreme if they rule for tinubu.tsammani the presiding judge is assured of a slot.at least three judges here will surely go with tinubu giving him majority.besides,the lower court nowadays prefer taking the safer judgment to avoid upturn at the apex.
Back to the apex court,you heard ariwoola comments about g 5? What other signs do you need? With the way they sided with ariwoola and pushed tanko out,you can see he's in control of his colleagues.ive not even mentioned the tribal and religious affiliation.justice agim who usually writes leading judgment was picked above agube his senior.the man is grateful to ayade.inyang okoro has ties with akpabio.kekere ekun eagerly awaits assuming cjn and won't want to rock the boat.only nweze might be neutral.look at the security implications,Nigeria is calm.what if a sack brings unrest like it did in bayelsa? Demographically,he is more acceptable than obi in 4 to 5 zones while obi acceptance is in 3 zones.Tinubu have cultivated ties with the jury for many years plus wike links.tinubu as gov did superb for the judiciary compared to obi.all these things will factor in.obi should rest.

Penguin2:

By the way, what have you to say on INEC and Tinubu’s poor defence? I know you and Fergie always argue that a petitioner cannot be hoping to win his case based on weak defence of the respondent, but did you expect INEC, Tinubu and APC defence to be this shabby?

You didnt ask me but as it is a public forum I will give you my opinion.

INEC and APC had nothing to defend because LP's was not just watery, it was also poorly presented.

I actually am still scratching my head as to why the respondents each presented a witness for cross examination. I know for a fact that nothing enlightening came out of either witness.

It was a needless exercise and, if the truth be told, these Tribunal proceedings overall have been a terrible indictment of the state of the legal professional we have in this great country of ours.

What I’ve discovered is that most of your arguments on this PEPT case is centred around political expediency rather than legality and constitutionality.

You cannot divorce the Courts from political expediency. Not just in Nigeria but all over the world. Even in the US Supreme Court, you can see the shift towards far right decisions.
The Judges are product of this same political expediency because it is the politicians who nominate them to be there.

That is not to say they will not follow the path of legality or constitutionality, they will do their best to see how they can balance it up.

Now, I will go to the meat of the case...

First, on the FCT argument, Tinubu’s witness came to court with a document from a Committee that was setup solely for the place of the FCT in the Nigerian State. From the document, it was stated that the Committee recommended that Abuja be given a Special Status in the constitution since it’s our center of unity. Does that not prove that that constitutional provision “AND The FCT” was a deliberate provision by the framers of the constitution relying on the recommendations of the committee on FCT? If yes, why should someone who didn’t fulfill that provision be declared winner?

People tend to elevate this report.

The 1979 Constitution had no special status for the State Capital but this Committee pressed that some status be created for the FCT.

Several Govts have failed to recognise that because the FCT is seen lower than a State. Others have 3 Senators, the FCT has 1. Unlike States, the Executive and Legislative powers of the FCT are vested in the President and National Assembly respectively.
This culminated in the Court of Appeal case between Musa Baba-Panya v President, Federal Republic of Nigeria;

See the judgement:
It is therefore, doubtlessly clear that by virtue of Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federation, the Federal Capital Territory is in law a State. In others words, the Federal Capital Territory should be treated as one of the States in the Federal Republic of Nigeria."

What does 299 say?
Section 299(1) of the 1999 CFRN:
The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation;

In Ibori v Ogboru (2004), the Court of Appeal opined:
.....the Federal Capital Territory is to be treated like a State, it is not superior or inferior to any State of the Federation”.

The Constitution should never be read to say what it has not provided, even though it should be liberally construed to giving meaning and effectiveness, so as not to have embarrassing anomaly that can result in vacuum of any office or cause serious crisis in the polity. (Belgore JSC as he then was in Buhari v Obasanjo.

HOW DO YOU EXPECT OUR COURTS TO SUBJECT THEIR JUDGEMENT TO A COMMITTEE SET UP TO ELEVATE THE FCT TO THE STATUS OF A STATE BECAUSE OF THE CRIES OF THE MARGINALISED INDIGENES NOW TRY TO ELEVATE THE FCT ABOVE THE OTHER 36 STATES because of a seeming AND

I am curious.

Based on that FCT provision alone, a runoff election could be ordered by the courts. Because while Tinubu got simple majority, he failed to fulfill the spread having failed to get 25% in the FCT.

Now, in case a runoff election is ordered, who would square with Tinubu? The constitution says it’s the person that won the most state (not the person that came second). Now, considering that they all tied at 12 states each at the end of the election, what Obi needs to do is to prove that truly he won Rivers; that shoots him up to 13 states. If he’s able to recover Benue, Akwa Ibom and Taraba like he’s also contesting, that shoots him up to 16 states.

So, the runoff would now be between Tinubu and Obi. That’s supposing that after recovering 4 states, Obi is still not able to offset Tinubu’s lead, and also supposing that Tinubu is not disqualified.

Now, what did the constitution say about a runoff election? The constitution said the winner would then be determined by simple majority. No question of spread this time around. Which is why I was surprised you asked if they would keep repeating the election if the winner continues to fail to get 25% in Abuja.

Too much of ifs, what if what if?
The FCT argument will cause more problems than solutions if not now, later..... So I don't want to go too much into it.

No run-off will exist because of FCT.... I won't say much on that.

Now, Can Tinubu be disqualified based on the evidence in court?
Now, I wouldn’t say I have an answer to the above question. But do you recall Tinubu lawyers’ argument about Tinubu’s $460,000 forfeiture during Pre-hearing? They said it was Tinubu’s bank account that was sued and not Tinubu. But yesterday, their witness, a lawyer in America, admitted in court that it was indeed Tinubu that forfeited the money but then argued that it was a “civil forfeiture”. But do you remember Justice Ariwoola’s definition of forfeiture?

Was Tinubu CONVICTED in 1993?

But PDP submitted Certified True Copies (public document) from CSU that showed that the Tinubu that attended their institution was female. The implication is that whilst the certificates Tinubu is parading are authentic, they belong to a woman.

We are talking about a criminal allegation which must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Is PDP the maker of the document?
How can your certificate be authentic when the gender is allegedly not?
It is contradictory.

The maker is expected to testify, this has been chorused many times.

How did they get the CTCs?
Who is the maker of that document?
Can you get the CTC without the maker of that document certifying and clarifying that the document indeed came from them?

Now, this is antithetical to the Tinubu who registered with APC as male. Their honorable justices know that the Bola Tinubu that was sworn in as Nigeria’s president is a man. How do you reconcile that?

His picture is on the alumni booklet of CSU, and we have seen them before now. Calling CSU will have helped us solve this issue.

Lastly, Tinubu submitted an exemption certificates dated 1983 but NYSC started giving exemption certificates in 1985. But I don’t even think that’s what PDP is contesting if not, they would have callled an NYSC official to testify that truly the Service started giving exemptions in 1985, not 1985. I think PDP is contesting that the gender on Tinubu’s NYSC certificate which was submitted to INEC, is female. Now, do you need NYSC to come testify that truly what is written on a certificate is female?

Do you honestly think that the courts will exonerate all these?

Even if PDP is contesting the gender, are they not supposed to call up the maker of the document?

Any alteration or seeming forgery should evoke calling up the maker of the document.

Failure to do so, is tantamount to dumping papers on the Court and expecting the Justices to do a Jack Bauer.

In Atiku Abubakar v INEC, Buhari & APC.... The SC said this:

The version of the law I know on the subject (i.e. if there are other versions) is that when documents are tendered from the bar, such documents have no probative value until the makers of such documents are called to testify on the document and are subjected to crossexamination on them. It cannot be as argued by the learned silk for the appellants above. Whether it is a certified public document or any other document, the need for the maker to testify and be cross-examined on it has not yet been jettisoned by this court.

The court is not permitted to go home and interrogate those documents privately in the inner recess of its chambers. This will amount to shopping for evidence, thus descending into the arena of the conflict. One wonders how the appellants expected judgment to be entered in their favour when they failed to do the needful in respect of those documents which were the pivot of their petition.” (Tanko Muhammad CJN as he then was).

This should answer the question.

Lotanna2:


He submitted forms for 21 states.does it mean he won 21 States? The truth of the matter is that the manual forms is worse for obi than irev that is why he is silent.assuming he was rigged out,apc covered their tracks well in other states except rivers and benue where they started rigging late after results were uploaded.he must have matched the figures and decided to go with irev which has up to 18000 blurred results...

Outside the law,obi cannot win in court.go back to the judgment in shettima case,the judges attacked pdp for trying to media bully them.this is an indirect warning to lp.amina Augie personally attacked atiku which shows their bias against the opposition.
Let's go to the TRIBUNAL,see how the president Monica was shoved aside.like Fergie stated,at least two to three of those five judges will be picked for supreme if they rule for tinubu.tsammani the presiding judge is assured of a slot.at least three judges here will surely go with tinubu giving him majority.besides,the lower court nowadays prefer taking the safer judgment to avoid upturn at the apex.
Back to the apex court,you heard ariwoola comments about g 5? What other signs do you need? With the way they sided with ariwoola and pushed tanko out,you can see he's in control of his colleagues.ive not even mentioned the tribal and religious affiliation.justice agim who usually writes leading judgment was picked above agube his senior.the man is grateful to ayade.inyang okoro has ties with akpabio.kekere ekun eagerly awaits assuming cjn and won't want to rock the boat.only nweze might be neutral.look at the security implications,Nigeria is calm.what if a sack brings unrest like it did in bayelsa? Demographically,he is more acceptable than obi in 4 to 5 zones while obi acceptance is in 3 zones.Tinubu have cultivated ties with the jury for many years plus wike links.tinubu as gov did superb for the judiciary compared to obi.all these things will factor in.obi should rest.

And we are back to political expediency and not legal merits of what is on ground.

Well, I’d be a fool if I rule out what you are saying. I understand you. Because this is Nigeria, it would amount to foolhardiness to think that Tinubu and his men are not making some underground moves to make sure the Tribunal judgment is favourable to them.

But there’s one thing about the judiciary you are not considering. The fact that no matter who is in power, the succession plan remains the same. If Obi becomes president, there’s no way he’s going to jump Justice Kekere Ekun to make Centus Nweze the CJN. It’s not like the military (security agencies) where things are left to your whims and caprices.

Again, remember that in 2003, Obi was against a sitting governor and a sitting president with a certain Andy Uba who had an overreaching influence in the Nigeria of then.

Later on, when Ngige refused to be railroaded by the Uba brothers, they (Uba brothers) sort to booth him out of office which made Ngige run to the Atiku/Tinubu alliance for political protection.

That way, Obi was against Obasanjo/Uba brothers in one arm, and Atiku/Tinubu/Ngige in another.

I know the Nigeria of today is not the Nigeria of 2006, but are you saying that the judges were not pressured then? Are you saying that both the Obasanjo and Atiku camp did not make sinister moves to compromise the judges but Obi still came out victorious. That was a miracle that could still happen now.

In fact, I’ve read somewhere that one of the judges then said, “we will do justice even if the heavens fall”. The only reason I don’t make reference that statement is because I’ve not been able to independently verify it.

What I’m saying in essence is that we are both Nigerians and we understand the society we are in but “we cannot stop going to war because of casualties”; I mean, we cannot always write the judiciary off until the give their judgment.

Even if this Obi case is 99% chance tilting towards Tinubu and 1% chance left for Obi, 1% percent is still a chance. And even though it’s not every time that things go against the odds, but things do sometimes go against the odds.

Penguin2:

And we are back to political expediency and not legal merits of what is on ground.

Well, I’d be a fool if I rule out what you are saying. I understand you. Because this is Nigeria, it would amount to foolhardiness to think that Tinubu and his men are not making some underground moves to make sure the Tribunal judgment is favourable to them.

But there’s one thing about the judiciary you are not considering. The fact that no matter who is in power, the succession plan remains the same. If Obi becomes president, there’s no way he’s going to jump Justice Kekere Ekun to make Centus Nweze the CJN. It’s not like the military (security agencies) where things are left to your whims and caprices.

Again, remember that in 2003, Obi was against a sitting governor and a sitting president with a certain Andy Uba who had an overreaching influence in the Nigeria of then.

Later on, when Ngige refused to be railroaded by the Uba brothers, they (Uba brothers) sort to booth him out of office which made Ngige run to the Atiku/Tinubu alliance for political protection.

That way, Obi was against Obasanjo/Uba brothers in one arm, and Atiku/Tinubu/Ngige in another.

I know the Nigeria of today is not the Nigeria of 2006, but are you saying that the judges were not pressured then? Are you saying that both the Obasanjo and Atiku camp did not make sinister moves to compromise the judges but Obi still came out victorious. That was a miracle that could still happen now.

In fact, I’ve read somewhere that one of the judges then said, “we will do justice even if the heavens fall”. The only reason I don’t make reference that statement is because I’ve not been able to independently verify it.

What I’m saying in essence is that we are both Nigerians and we understand the society we are in but “we cannot stop going to war because of casualties”; I mean, we cannot always write the judiciary off until the give their judgment.

Even if this Obi case is 99% chance tilting towards Tinubu and 1% chance left for Obi, 1% percent is still a chance. And even though it’s not every time that things go against the odds, but things do sometimes go against the odds.

I don't understand your point on obi but there's a big possibility that obj influenced that court judgment against ngige.obj and anenih indirectly admitted removing osunbor in 2008 after he misbehaved.it is lawyer easier to influence lower court.but now,who will influence them against tinubu? Tinubu is the best political bargainer around unlike buhari that uses brute force.the judiciary were even more likely to remove buhari than tinubu.the certificate case was very dangerous and before them buhari used DSS to raid judges houses and sacked onnoghen.

You are too easily deceived by things that suit your narrative.is a judge expected to say they won't do justice or they won't use technicalities? It seems you are easily deceived and people can easily defraud you.again,it looks like you're a rigid and dogmatic fellow.calm down.an average Nigerian is corrupt.that court as presently constituted will not rule against tinubu.you heard the political comment of ariwoola the cjn and you still believe in a mere judge somewhere.forget this matter.it is not that deep.in my family,we shared ourselves among lp,apc and pdp in case of anything.obi is not worth it.if obi actually won,no Jupiter could have stopped his victory.gej tried everything in 2015 but no way.ive never said this but it looks like the Nigerian system does not want someone from se to rule for now.if it is to happen,it will be from APC

Penguin2:


Again, remember that in 2003, Obi was against a sitting governor and a sitting president with a certain Andy Uba who had an overreaching influence in the Nigeria of then.

Later on, when Ngige refused to be railroaded by the Uba brothers, they (Uba brothers) sort to booth him out of office which made Ngige run to the Atiku/Tinubu alliance for political protection.

That way, Obi was against Obasanjo/Uba brothers in one arm, and Atiku/Tinubu/Ngige in another.

I know the Nigeria of today is not the Nigeria of 2006, but are you saying that the judges were not pressured then? Are you saying that both the Obasanjo and Atiku camp did not make sinister moves to compromise the judges but Obi still came out victorious. That was a miracle that could still happen now. [/b]

Bros, your misinformation plenty die. From changing "AND THE FCT" in the constitution, to saying it's now "AND 25% IN THE FCT", To this Blatant lie about Obi Fighting Uba Brothers and AC at the same time. For your information, the major documents wey Obi use win Ngige for court Came from the Uba brothers cus they were hell bent on removing Ngige from that office. Na dem rig Ngige in, na dem still get evidence of wetin dem use rig am in wey dem give Obi to take comot am for office through court.

So, Obi didn't fight anybody, na Uba brothers(Especially Chris, wey be Ngige Godfather) really help am win that case. Ngige went to AC way after he has been booted out of office. Nothing concern Tinubu's AC with their matter then.

You can go and verify from Obi himself if you're close to him or know someone close to him. No dey rewrite history for us abeg. Make all the case you want for Obi, but no dey decieve or misinform the public including yourself.

Lotanna2:


I don't understand your point on obi but there's a big possibility that obj influenced that court judgment against ngige.obj and anenih indirectly admitted removing osunbor in 2008 after he misbehaved.it is lawyer easier to influence lower court.but now,who will influence them against tinubu? Tinubu is the best political bargainer around unlike buhari that uses brute force.the judiciary were even more likely to remove buhari than tinubu.the certificate case was very dangerous and before them buhari used DSS to raid judges houses and sacked onnoghen.

You are too easily deceived by things that suit your narrative.is a judge expected to say they won't do justice or they won't use technicalities? It seems you are easily deceived and people can easily defraud you.again,it looks like you're a rigid and dogmatic fellow.calm down.an average Nigerian is corrupt.that court as presently constituted will not rule against tinubu.you heard the political comment of ariwoola the cjn and you still believe in a mere judge somewhere.forget this matter.it is not that deep.in my family,we shared ourselves among lp,apc and pdp in case of anything.obi is not worth it.if obi actually won,no Jupiter could have stopped his victory.gej tried everything in 2015 but no way.ive never said this but it looks like the Nigerian system does not want someone from se to rule for now.if it is to happen,it will be from APC

Your argument is still on political expediency and politics around the judiciary rather than the meat of the case.

Tinubu’s problem at the Tribunal is too multifaceted to be simplified the way you are trying to do it. From INEC not following it’s guidelines, to 25% in the FCT, to Certificate problems, to result manipulation to favor him. You can’t compare his case to Buhari’s case in 2019.

In 2019, the case against Buhari stood on two legs: server and his waec certificate.

There was no law permitting INEC to own a server, so that leg easily fell flat. Once that was out of the way, it was easy to get around his certificate problem. Do you honestly think Tinubu’s case can be that easy?

Talking about me being dogmatic…. I would rather say that once I’m convinced about a thing, I see it through to the end. My conviction is strong.

Remember we had this back and forth before the election. I was convinced of Obi’s chances and the fact that would win the election. I gave state by state analysis of what the outcome would be.

You accused me then of being emotional, and boasted that you have been following and/or prosecuting elections for a long time and that was wrong. I remember the numbers you assigned to Tinubu and Atiku in the Southeast and Southsouth. I told you it won’t be so. And I said what I said then as informed by reason, facts and monitoring of the pulse on ground but you dismissed my stance then. I’m sure the outcome has shown who was right and who was wrong.

It was so much that they had to turn-off the IREV in order to stop Obi from winning.

Now we are back to it. Once again you are claiming to be a repository of judicial precedents and an expert on the political undercurrents that would determine the outcome of the Tribunal. And I’m just here once again to tell you that though I do not know anything for sure, if Obi’s chance is 1%, I will hold onto it until the final whistle.

And look below to see that you people might not have it figured out as you presuming.

sushieater:


Bros, your misinformation plenty die. From changing "AND THE FCT" in the constitution, to saying it's now "AND 25% IN THE FCT", To this Blatant lie about Obi Fighting Uba Brothers and AC at the same time. For your information, the major documents wey Obi use win Ngige for court Came from the Uba brothers cus they were hell bent on removing Ngige from that office. Na dem rig Ngige in, na dem still get evidence of wetin dem use rig am in wey dem give Obi to take comot am for office through court.

So, Obi didn't fight anybody, na Uba brothers(Especially Chris, wey be Ngige Godfather) really help am win that case. Ngige went to AC way after he has been booted out of office. Nothing concern Tinubu's AC with their matter then.

You can go and verify from Obi himself if you're close to him or know someone close to him. No dey rewrite history for us abeg. Make all the case you want for Obi, but no dey decieve or misinform the public including yourself.

I suggest you stick to eating Sushi sir, than dabble into the middle of a conversation you don’t know where it started.

I’ve been having a discussion with someone, and the comment you quoted was a reply to the content of his own comment but you chose to expose your deficient intelligent quotient to the public than properly follow the discussion and know what led to what.

And yes, after Uba brothers turned against Ngige, he ran to the Atiku/Tinubu political alliance for political protection even though he was still in PDP. If you don’t know history, ask to be taught. The Lotanna2 I replied to knows that what I said is true, that’s why he didn’t dispute it. He has been following Nigerian politics for a long time and I’m sure he knows the intricacies of what transpired in that Obi case.

Lastly, Obasanjo/Uba brothers didn’t win the case for Obi. After they fell out with Ngige, they got INEC to start asking the court to cancel the election and order a rerun or an entirely new election. The courts disagreed and declared Obi.

Please get yourself educated.

Penguin2:

I suggest you stick to eating Sushi sir, than dabble into the middle of a conversation you don’t know where it started.

I’ve been having a discussion with someone, and the comment you quoted was a reply to the content of his own comment but you chose to expose your deficient intelligent quotient to the public than properly follow the discussion and know what led to what.

And yes, after Uba brothers turned against Ngige, he ran to the Atiku/Tinubu political alliance for political protection even though he was still in PDP. If you don’t know history, ask to be taught. The Lotanna2 I replied to knows that what I said is true, that’s why he didn’t dispute it. He has been following Nigerian politics for a long time and I’m sure he knows the intricacies of what transpired in that Obi case.

Lastly, Obasanjo/Uba brothers didn’t win the case for Obi. After they fell out with Ngige, they got INEC to start asking the court to cancel the election and order a rerun or an entirely new election. The courts disagreed and declared Obi.

Please get yourself educated.

Bros, I no dey for insults. Just stop with the misinformation, like I told you. Reach out to Obi if you have access to him and hear from him directly. I no follow you you dey do all these long talk. Believe whatever you want to believe about Obi's case at the PEPT but stop with the lies and misinformation. If you're smart enough, you'll start asking questions about what I just told you instead of arguing about what you know absolutely nothing about. Some of us know Obi reach him Papa & Mama house/supermarket in Onitsha, down to Agulu as well. No be sudden misinformed Internet fake news peddlers like you go teach me history or educate me on something that I have first hand information about.

sushieater:


Bros, I no dey for insults. Just stop with the misinformation, like I told you. Reach out to Obi if you have access to him and hear from him directly. I no follow you you dey do all these long talk. Believe whatever you want to believe about Obi's case at the PEPT but stop with the lies and misinformation. If you're smart enough, you'll start asking questions about what I just told you instead of arguing about what you know absolutely nothing about. Some of us know Obi reach him Papa & Mama house/supermarket in Onitsha, down to Agulu as well. No be sudden misinformed Internet fake news peddlers like you go teach me history or educate me on something that I have first hand information about.

Ok.

Goodluck to you and what you know.

fergie001:

You cannot divorce the Courts from political expediency. Not just in Nigeria but all over the world. Even in the US Supreme Court, you can see the shift towards far right decisions.
The Judges are product of this same political expediency because it is the politicians who nominate them to be there.

That is not to say they will not follow the path of legality or constitutionality, they will do their best to see how they can balance it up.

Now, I will go to the meat of the case...


People tend to elevate this report.

The 1979 Constitution had no special status for the State Capital but this Committee pressed that some status be created for the FCT.

Several Govts have failed to recognise that because the FCT is seen lower than a State. Others have 3 Senators, the FCT has 1. Unlike States, the Executive and Legislative powers of the FCT are vested in the President and National Assembly respectively.
This culminated in the Court of Appeal case between Musa Baba-Panya v President, Federal Republic of Nigeria;

See the judgement:
It is therefore, doubtlessly clear that by virtue of Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federation, the Federal Capital Territory is in law a State. In others words, the Federal Capital Territory should be treated as one of the States in the Federal Republic of Nigeria."

What does 299 say?
Section 299(1) of the 1999 CFRN:
The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation;

In Ibori v Ogboru (2004), the Court of Appeal opined:
.....the Federal Capital Territory is to be treated like a State, it is not superior or inferior to any State of the Federation”.

The Constitution should never be read to say what it has not provided, even though it should be liberally construed to giving meaning and effectiveness, so as not to have embarrassing anomaly that can result in vacuum of any office or cause serious crisis in the polity. (Belgore JSC as he then was in Buhari v Obasanjo.

HOW DO YOU EXPECT OUR COURTS TO SUBJECT THEIR JUDGEMENT TO A COMMITTEE SET UP TO ELEVATE THE FCT TO THE STATUS OF A STATE BECAUSE OF THE CRIES OF THE MARGINALISED INDIGENES NOW TRY TO ELEVATE THE FCT ABOVE THE OTHER 36 STATES because of a seeming AND

I am curious.


Too much of ifs, what if what if?
The FCT argument will cause more problems than solutions if not now, later..... So I don't want to go too much into it.

No run-off will exist because of FCT.... I won't say much on that.


Was Tinubu CONVICTED in 1993?


We are talking about a criminal allegation which must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Is PDP the maker of the document?
How can your certificate be authentic when the gender is allegedly not?
It is contradictory.

The maker is expected to testify, this has been chorused many times.

How did they get the CTCs?
Who is the maker of that document?
Can you get the CTC without the maker of that document certifying and clarifying that the document indeed came from them?


His picture is on the alumni booklet of CSU, and we have seen them before now. Calling CSU will have helped us solve this issue.


Even if PDP is contesting the gender, are they not supposed to call up the maker of the document?

Any alteration or seeming forgery should evoke calling up the maker of the document.

Failure to do so, is tantamount to dumping papers on the Court and expecting the Justices to do a Jack Bauer.

In Atiku Abubakar v INEC, Buhari & APC.... The SC said this:

The version of the law I know on the subject (i.e. if there are other versions) is that when documents are tendered from the bar, such documents have no probative value until the makers of such documents are called to testify on the document and are subjected to crossexamination on them. It cannot be as argued by the learned silk for the appellants above. Whether it is a certified public document or any other document, the need for the maker to testify and be cross-examined on it has not yet been jettisoned by this court.

The court is not permitted to go home and interrogate those documents privately in the inner recess of its chambers. This will amount to shopping for evidence, thus descending into the arena of the conflict. One wonders how the appellants expected judgment to be entered in their favour when they failed to do the needful in respect of those documents which were the pivot of their petition.” (Tanko Muhammad CJN as he then was).

This should answer the question.

Let’s just wait for the court to rule.

But I will ask you the question I asked Garfield…

Are you suggesting that Obi and Atiku’s lawyers do not know these things and that you know about Election prosecution more than the retinue of SANs from Ikpeazu to Uzoukwu to Chris Ani to Ozekhome, et al?

Penguin2:

Let’s just wait for the court to rule.

But I will ask you the question I asked Garfield…

Are you suggesting that Obi and Atiku’s lawyers do not know these things and that you know about Election prosecution more than the retinue of SANs from Ikpeazu to Uzoukwu to Chris Ani to Ozekhome, et al?

Some will ask about Wole Olanipekun, Lateef Fagbemi and co..... They are all Senior lawyers who are verse in this.

Onyechi Ikpeazu represents APC at the tribunal in Ogun State, Olanipekun represented Ayade when he was in the PDP, Ozekhome represented Matawalle, Fagbemi might represent someone else another day.

This is their job, no emotions ...just their job. Perhaps, something might stick.

Penguin2:

Let’s just wait for the court to rule.

But I will ask you the question I asked Garfield…

Are you suggesting that Obi and Atiku’s lawyers do not know these things and that you know about Election prosecution more than the retinue of SANs from Ikpeazu to Uzoukwu to Chris Ani to Ozekhome, et al?

Just like a random Programmer that didn't study computer science can't know or discuss programming better than a Professor in Computer science because the random programmer does not have a PhD in Computer science. Yet, I'm the one with a Deficient Intelligent Quotient.

Good luck to you, o ye bird of reason.

fergie001:

Some will ask about Wole Olanipekun, Lateef Fagbemi and co..... They are all Senior lawyers who are verse in this.

Onyechi Ikpeazu represents APC at the tribunal in Ogun State, Olanipekun represented Ayade when he was in the PDP, Ozekhome represented Matawalle, Fagbemi might represent someone else another day.

This is their job, no emotions ...just their job. Perhaps, something might stick.

I don’t think you got my question…

I wasn’t talking about where they are standing now and where they will stand tomorrow. They are lawyers, they have no side.

What I asked was about the procedural law you have been hampering on…. Are you saying the retinue of senior lawyers prosecuting Obi and Atiku’s case do not know this thing you are talking about? Like none of them in the legal team of either side could remember it or advise them on if things were strictly the way you are presenting them?

sushieater:


Just like a random Programmer that didn't study computer science can't know or discuss programming better than a Professor in Computer science because the random programmer does not have a PhD in Computer science. Yet, I'm the one with a Deficient Intelligent Quotient.

Good luck to you, o ye bird of reason.

I like your analogy; it’s perfect for our discourse.

Now using your own analogy, between you and the SANs in both Obi and Atiku’s legal team, who is the programmer and who is the PhD holder in computer science?🤔

Latest from Twitter:

APC and INEC ruined their case so well that even the judges were disappointed. Their hands are too tied to give them a pass. They both had just 2 witnesses to present, in a country with over 200 million people. They tendered documents pulled off Nairaland with okra soup stains on them.

— They submitted a letter from the US embassy written to the former IG of police, Tafa Balogun in 2003, but couldn’t find anyone to back up that letter, not even the first letter that Balogun wrote to the embassy!

— The FBI attaché who signed the letter is still alive and well but they didn’t bring him as a witness.

— They also didn’t bring anyone from the US to testify on Tinubu’s case, not even the lawyers or law firm that represented his money forfeiture case. They brought a Nigerian politician with no license to practice in the state of Illinois to come to tell us about Tinubu’s case in Chicago. No be ment?

Ladies and gentlemen, as of July 7, 2023, APC, INEC, and Tinubu’s lawyers cannot prove how Tinubu won the election and that’s disturbing.

Let us see how the judges will rule on this case with no evidence from the respondents. #AllEyesOnTheJudiciary# @General_Oluchi

pweeryambre:
Latest from Twitter:

APC and INEC ruined their case so well that even the judges were disappointed. Their hands are too tied to give them a pass. They both had just 2 witnesses to present, in a country with over 200 million people. They tendered documents pulled off Nairaland with okra soup stains on them.

— They submitted a letter from the US embassy written to the former IG of police, Tafa Balogun in 2003, but couldn’t find anyone to back up that letter, not even the first letter that Balogun wrote to the embassy!

— The FBI attaché who signed the letter is still alive and well but they didn’t bring him as a witness.

— They also didn’t bring anyone from the US to testify on Tinubu’s case, not even the lawyers or law firm that represented his money forfeiture case. They brought a Nigerian politician with no license to practice in the state of Illinois to come to tell us about Tinubu’s case in Chicago. No be ment?

Ladies and gentlemen, as of July 7, 2023, APC, INEC, and Tinubu’s lawyers cannot prove how Tinubu won the election and that’s disturbing.

Let us see how the judges will rule on this case with no evidence from the respondents. #AllEyesOnTheJudiciary# @General_Oluchi

INEC and APC didn't have to produce witnesses to defend themselves especially when Peter Obi's lawyers did such a shoddy job in attempting to prove their case against them.

If someone accuses you of stealing their car and the only proof they take to court is a blurry copy of your driving license, why would you waste your time doing their job for them by trying to prove you don't know anything about their car.

You simply leave it to the presiding Judge to lambast their pathetic attempt at a case when they are presenting their final judgement on the case.

aswani:


INEC and APC didn't have to produce witnesses to defend themselves especially when Peter Obi's lawyers did such a shoddy job in attempting to prove their case against them.

If someone accuses you of stealing their car and the only proof they take to court is a blurry copy of your driving license, why would you waste your time doing their job for them by trying to prove you don't know anything about their car.

You simply leave it to the presiding Judge to lambast their pathetic attempt at a case when they are presenting their final judgement on the case.

Ok sir, but for someone that is being accused of stealing a car should have gotten witnesses and proper back up evidence of the car, such as the receipt (BVA) and the person you bought it from (INEC)legally to defend you na. Just saying that you did not steal the car doesnt give it..
I think we are trying to simplify the case now abi?

pweeryambre:

Ok sir, but for someone that is being accused of stealing a car should have gotten witnesses and proper back up evidence of the car, such as the receipt (BVA) and the person you bought it from (INEC)legally to defend you na. Just saying that you did not steal the car doesnt give it..
I think we are trying to simplify the case now abi?

Thank you for saying the same thing I’ve said.

These guys are reductionists. Their aim is to make it seem like the case in court is non-issue .

Sometimes I suspect they were commissioned to prepare the public for a predetermined outcome.

Penguin2:

Thank you for saying the same thing I’ve said.

These guys are reductionists. Their aim is to make it seem like the case in court is non-issue .

Sometimes I suspect they were commissioned to prepare the public for a predetermined outcome.

Lol, everyone knows why they keep acting as such. Its out of FEAR of... but this time it is the KNOWN.

Penguin2:

I don’t think you got my question…

I wasn’t talking about where they are standing now and where they will stand tomorrow. They are lawyers, they have no side.

What I asked was about the procedural law you have been hampering on…. Are you saying the retinue of senior lawyers prosecuting Obi and Atiku’s case do not know this thing you are talking about? Like none of them in the legal team of either side could remember it or advise them on if things were strictly the way you are presenting them?

Are you saying that a senior lawyer like Olanipekun does not know that the APC has no jurisdiction on Obi's membership of Labour Party?

Objections and whatever have to be filed to ensure that something sticks.

pweeryambre:

Ok sir, but for someone that is being accused of stealing a car should have gotten witnesses and proper back up evidence of the car, such as the receipt (BVA) and the person you bought it from (INEC)legally to defend you na. Just saying that you did not steal the car doesnt give it..
I think we are trying to simplify the case now abi?

It is not up to you to prove you didn't steal it, it is up to the person accusing you to prove you did and it is at that point you debunk each and every allegation.

Obi and his legal team turned up at the Tribunal to catch cruise.

Hopefully Obidients will wait till the Supreme court throws their case out before setting social media on fire.

Penguin2:

Thank you for saying the same thing I’ve said.

These guys are reductionists. Their aim is to make it seem like the case in court is non-issue .

Sometimes I suspect they were commissioned to prepare the public for a predetermined outcome.

No one is saying the case is a non issue, all people are saying is that the LP team have presented a shockingly underwhelming case. There's a difference.

Assuming the Obi is disqualified, does it mean we would have 6.1million invalid votes which could lead to cancellation of the election and a rerun between Atiku and Tinubu

Jogs1900:

Try to understand me.APC is saying that for your name not to be in the party register, it means you are not a member of that party.(They will argue this)
Now, since you are not a member of LP, you shouldn't have been their presidential candidate.
Since you are not a presidential candidate, you can't challenge the presidential election as a candidate.

If you look at it, LP lawyers objected to the admissibility of the party register as evidencet(Do you think they don't know what they are doing)

I'm sure till now, LP is yet to update it's party register with INEC to include Obis name.

aswani:


It is not up to you to prove you didn't steal it, it is up to the person accusing you to prove you did and it is at that point you debunk each and every allegation.

Obi and his legal team turned up at the Tribunal to catch cruise.

Hopefully Obidients will wait till the Supreme court throws their case out before setting social media on fire.

When you keep saying that an accused person doesnt need to prove himself in court, it just sounds like you are enabling the accused to look for a way to cover up his crime because he simply cannot defend it. Inother words you are saying that APC and INEC is relying on their usual hidden back door plan, because they could not really debunk anything so far.They keep running around the bush.
And as according to your illustration of being accused of stealing a car that you did not steal, i ask again, would'nt you, providing the Receipt and the seller been a simple and short thing to do to shut the accuser up and save your time, rather than questioning if he has the right (Obi Labour party Registration ) to come and buy a car at the same place you bought your own, and then bringing two witnesses that did not understand their assignment.
This case does not need big grammar oh. It has been obvious since the beginning. Apc/INEC is the one that deed a shoddy job here.

fergie001:

Are you saying that a senior lawyer like Olanipekun does not know that the APC has no jurisdiction on Obi's membership of Labour Party?

Objections and whatever have to be filed to ensure that something sticks.

Oh well!

We await the judgment of the judges.

But like I told Garfield, even if Obi’s chance is 1% and Tinubu’s own is 99%, I will hold onto that 1% until the final whistle, and nobody can convince me otherwise.

aswani:


No one is saying the case is a non issue, all people are saying is that the LP team have presented a shockingly underwhelming case. There's a difference.

And INEC, Tinubu and APC put up an overwhelming defence?