https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSI8NLfh7Jk&t=5s


BUT! BUT!! IT IS THE WEST!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHfV8I93vKU&t=63s

HAVE YOU BLAMED THE WEST TODAY?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:





They gave u a useless structure/system..then installed their puppets as head of state & government to protect the system...

The same useless structure/system that they gave you is the same useless structure/system they gave others who have taken advantage of and better themselves. Take responsibility for ones.


And also talking about puppet, if Alhassane Ouattara is a puppet and Gbagbo is for the anti-imperalist then pls i want the West to keep installing that kind of puppet for me and my people. I don't any anti-imperalist .

These terrorists are making Isese, Yoruba's culture and traditions, become more popular. It's important that educated Yoruba people promote the native culture and traditions and take part in the local festivals.

This is necessary because many aspects of Isese need to be reformed, and people of high intelligence and exposure are needed to achieve this aim.

There are many ancient beliefs and practices in Isese that should be abolished because they've lost relevance in modern times.

The same thing applies to other local cultures and traditions in other parts of Africa.

Highly intelligent Yoruba people should introduce philosophy, science, and critical thinking into Isese to develop this culture so that Yorubas can move forward.

Aspects such as making sacrifices to a deity, worshipping gods/goddesses, and others don't have any importance in modern times.

Oro practice should be modernized or abolished.

Africans generally should learn from history: When the colonizers and slave masters came, the gods and goddesses couldn't save anyone.

If people keep engaging in making sacrifices to, or worshipping, one deity or the other, the continent won't be able to grow and develop like other regions of the world.

And if foreign people invade the continent again in the future, they'll still be successful again if Africans fail to get rid of their ancient beliefs and norms based on superstition and fear of the supernatural.

Any culture that doesn't grow with the times will die sooner or later.

Making sacrifices to a deity and worshipping god/God have no usefulness in the modern world.

It's time Yoruba people embraced science, philosophy, and critical thinking instead of religion and superstition, so we can move forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JP4HtKfYEg&t=168s

IF WE DON'T BLAME THE WEST, WETIN WE GAIN?

grandstar:



Are you referring to the Marshall Plan?

America pumped lots of money into rebuilding Europe and even Japan. What does this have to do with our discussion?

Yes.

Because u said it cost billions of dollars 2 develop uranium/nuclear plant in niger.

The west don't have any intention 2 develop Africa. Rather they will support/install house niggas that will help them loot our resources

OkpaNsukkaisBae:

The west don't have any intention 2 develop Africa.

Is the West expected to have such an intention? Is the West expected to develop Africa? And is Africa expected to develop the West? Every race or people is after their own interest first, well except most Africans?

Lols, for most Africans, they first think of the interest of the whites, especially Isreal if they're Christians, or the interest of Saudi Arabia first if they're Muslims before they think of African interests?

Do you see why Africa will remain underdeveloped and backward for a long time so long most Africans practice Christianity or Islam? Lols, the Africans aren't even intelligent enough to know who their ancestors are. Lols, most African Christians and Muslims believe their ancestors are from Israel or Arabia even without any proof in support of their belief.

And when you say they've a low IQ, they feel insulted. Lols.

A001:

Is the West expected to have such an intention? Is the West expected to develop Africa? And is Africa expected to develop the West? Every race or people is after their own interest first, well except most Africans?

Good questions

Roland17:


If it is not symbiotic like you have answered, that means Africa has actually been the parasites that have benefited from the items I listed.

Who controls what? Are the resources in the West? Why can't African countries trade with other African countries instead of the West so they are independent?

Why are Africans leaving in their droves to the West for better pastures? Have our leaders done enough to mitigate the exodus of young and productive minds out of Africa?

Why can't African countries open their borders and passport to other African countries to boost trade and investment?

We know how Chinese company owners exploit Nigerian employees in Nigeria. How about Lebanese and Indian employers of labor in Nigeria? Should we also blame the West for those?

So what exactly is this debate about then?

African leaders have failed the continent, it is a non-negotiable fact that we must accept.

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from the brain drain through immigration?

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from trade with the West?

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from technology transfer?

In all of these Africa has always been on the losing end.

Please don't sound like the idea is to alienate Africa from the rest of the world. That's not the point. The point is that when we have to negotiate for any thing we should be able to engage with them on a 50-50 bases. For example, if they want our crude then they should refine it in our country. If they want our uranium, then they should give us their technology to apply nuclear power for electricity. These are the simple terms I mean when I say the relationship should be symbiotic.

You asked a question about what the debate is about and I totally agree with the bolded in addition to the fact/reality also that if we must deal with our own leaders we must also take cognizance of the West who support such leaders and force them on us.

Spy360:

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from the brain drain through immigration?

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from trade with the West?

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from technology transfer?

In all of these Africa has always been on the losing end.

Please don't sound like the idea is to alienate Africa from the rest of the world. That's not the point. The point is that when we have to negotiate for any thing we should be able to engage with them on a 50-50 bases. For example, if they want our crude then they should refine it in our country. If they want our uranium, then they should give us their technology to apply nuclear power for electricity. These are the simple terms I mean when I say the relationship should be symbiotic.

You asked a question about what the debate is about and I totally agree with the bolded in addition to the fact/reality also that if we must deal with our own leaders we must also take cognizance of the West who support such leaders and force them on us.

Listen to yourself sounding like an entitled brat. They should give you, they should give you!!!!!The West owes you absolutely nothing! Are you gifting the West your crude oil and uranium for free? What have you used the revenue collected from these sales to the West to do?

Where are the working refineries in Nigeria? Whose fault is it that our refineries are not functioning? The West I bet? Away from crude oil, can we talk about the elephant project called Ajaokuta Steel that has been used to embezzle billions in the name of revival?

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from the brain drain through immigration?
The billions of dollars remitted by Nigerians from the West that is now sustaining the Nigerian economy is what? What has Nigeria done to prevent the brain drain? Are tertiary institutions still embarking on strike? Are medical doctors embarking on strike? are primary healthcare hospitals functioning? Should we blame the West also for these? So you expect young minds to remain in a country with no future because they believe in Nigeria and hate the West?

I asked you, why are African borders closed to fellow African countries? Why are African travel visas closed to other African countries?

I have travelled easily to other African countries for vacation using my US Passport in comparison to using my Nigerian passport (something, I will never dare again) as an African. Should I blame the West for that also?

Address the elephant in the room instead of this merry go round about the West.

Spy360:

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from the brain drain through immigration?

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from trade with the West?

How has Africa benefitted parasitically from technology transfer?

In all of these Africa has always been on the losing end.

Please don't sound like the idea is to alienate Africa from the rest of the world. That's not the point. The point is that when we have to negotiate for any thing we should be able to engage with them on a 50-50 bases. For example, if they want our crude then they should refine it in our country. If they want our uranium, then they should give us their technology to apply nuclear power for electricity. These are the simple terms I mean when I say the relationship should be symbiotic.

You asked a question about what the debate is about and I totally agree with the bolded in addition to the fact/reality also that if we must deal with our own leaders we must also take cognizance of the West who support such leaders and force them on us.

Why will anyone do this? Will you do this for anyone in your private capacity?

You want to sell your yam to me, you collected money and now say I must cook it in your pot
You want to sell car to me, you collected money and insisted I must only drive it in your area
You sold me a shirt and after collecting money you insisted that I must only wear it on Thursdays

If you want all these maybe you should not collect money

But mba you collected full price for your crude, gold and you are insisting on how the buyer that paid you have to use what you sold

If he likes he can use the crude to bath or mix akamu, Its no longer your business once you take your money for it

The crude they are buying from non African countries, are they refining it in Saudi, Qatar and UAE? Its this entitlement mentality. Why should anyone do anything for you? The Chinese mining your gold, How much are they paying for it? Are you giving them all these requirements as well?

raumdeuter:


Why will anyone do this? Will you do this for anyone in your private capacity?

You want to sell your yam to me, you collected money and now say I must cook it in your pot
You want to sell car to me, you collected money and insisted I must only drive it in your area
You sold me a shirt and after collecting money you insisted that I must only wear it on Thursdays

If you want all these maybe you should not collect money

But mba you collected full price for your crude, gold and you are insisting on how the buyer that paid you have to use what you sold

If he likes he can use the crude to bath or mix akamu, Its no longer your business once you take your money for it

The crude they are buying from non African countries, are they refining it in Saudi, Qatar and UAE? Its this entitlement mentality. Why should anyone do anything for you? The Chinese mining your gold, How much are they paying for it? Are you giving them all these requirements as well?

Does he know the billions of dollars from the West that is funding most of our primary health care systems?

Now everyone sees how stupid the anti-west arguments sounds.
Build refinery for me before I sell to you…. Plus pay for the crude oil……..
This crowns it for me

Up there are videos of members of the ousted Gabonese regime with billions of dollars belonging to the people.

Where is the uproar about that?

This is the same idiot that was asking us to make noise!

HOLD YOUR CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR ONCE!

Roland17:


Does he know the billions of dollars from the West that is funding most of our primary health care systems?

Most of the things functioning in Nigeria and Africa is still from this same West. The best of our parents generation even till mine went to Missionary school funded by the West, Most of our villages and interior na missionary hospital dey save them

Say Polio never finish us for Nigeria na the West, All the Malaria fight na west, Go and See how many Women and children NGO funded by USAID all over Africa.

Flooding in Africa na West we go cry to, Any natural disaster na the same west,

What are we giving in return to this West? Just to collect collect ask for more and still blame them

$16billion spent on power under Obasanjo…. That should power Nigeria but it was looted.
But but the west should be held liable for our looting

A001:

Is the West expected to have such an intention? Is the West expected to develop Africa? And is Africa expected to develop the West?

no!
no!!

Well, if they can't treat Africans like they treat the Koreans/Japanese/Germans after the war then they have no business interfering in African affairs. They killed Gaddafi & Libya is now almost a failed State because he refused 2 be a puppet.

now French diplomatic envoy 2 niger republic say dem no dey go anywhere cox dey don't recognize the new government in the country... .no be war dem dey court so! 2 further plung West Africa/Africa into poverty & insecurity.

Roland17:
Up there are videos of members of the ousted Gabonese regime with billions of dollars belonging to the people.

Where is the uproar about that?

This is the same idiot that was asking us to make noise!

HOLD YOUR CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR ONCE!

This evil west yet we no dey reject their alerts when they send it

In sub-Saharan Africa, USAID works with its partners to improve access to and delivery of health services, to support more accountable and democratic institutions, to start businesses and foster an environment attractive to private investment, and to stave off conflict and strengthen communities. In Fiscal Year 2021, USAID and the U.S. Department of State provided $8.5 billion of assistance to 47 countries and 8 regional programs in sub-Saharan Africa.

https://www.usaid.gov/about-us/organization/bureau-africa#:~:text=In%20Fiscal%20Year%202021%2C%20USAID,offices%20that%20support%20the%20missions.

This is money from Western tax payers that we dey chop yearly in Africa and what are we giving back? Can we withhold what we are giving back and chop it alone?

I know as one of my friends wife in Abuja that has been working with a US funded NGO for years dey para when Trump entered thinking Trump will suspend all aids to Nigeria

Besides trade where we sell stuffs to the West and they PAY us, They still dash us money yearly say to reduce our sufferings

When Sudan kill South Sudan finish, Na the same West will send relief materials to stop them from dying. Abeg how much Russia, China and the East dey send us

A001:
These terrorists are making Isese, Yoruba's culture and traditions, become more popular. It's important that educated Yoruba people promote the native culture and traditions and take part in the local festivals.

This is necessary because many aspects of Isese need to be reformed, and people of high intelligence and exposure are needed to achieve this aim.

There are many ancient beliefs and practices in Isese that should be abolished because they've lost relevance in modern times.

The same thing applies to other local cultures and traditions in other parts of Africa.

Highly intelligent Yoruba people should introduce philosophy, science, and critical thinking into Isese to develop this culture so that Yorubas can move forward.

Aspects such as making sacrifices to a deity, worshipping gods/goddesses, and others don't have any importance in modern times.

Oro practice should be modernized or abolished.

Africans generally should learn from history: When the colonizers and slave masters came, the gods and goddesses couldn't save anyone.

If people keep engaging in making sacrifices to, or worshipping, one deity or the other, the continent won't be able to grow and develop like other regions of the world.

And if foreign people invade the continent again in the future, they'll still be successful again if Africans fail to get rid of their ancient beliefs and norms based on superstition and fear of the supernatural.

Any culture that doesn't grow with the times will die sooner or later.

Making sacrifices to a deity and worshipping god/God have no usefulness in the modern world.

It's time Yoruba people embraced science, philosophy, and critical thinking instead of religion and superstition, so we can move forward.

How about one does away completely with both the isese and the Abrahamic religions?

Because saying people should leave Christianity and Islam but then go back and embrace isese religion sounds to me like regression.

I'm sure several aspects of isese' practices cannot be Intune with modern standards. I will hazard a guess that isese practices today still entail, female enslavement, male supremacy, diabolical practices and soo on. Just guessing here. Like, hey this part is only for men, no women allowed. Should we start reinforcing outdated practices?

donjazzet:


How about one does away completely with both the isese and the Abrahamic religions?

Because saying people should leave Christianity and Islam but then go back and embrace isese religion sounds to me like regression.

I'm sure several aspects of isese' practices cannot be Intune with modern standards. I will hazard a guess that isese practices today still entail, female enslavement, male supremacy, diabolical practices and soo on. Just guessing here. Like, hey this part is only for men, no women allowed. Should we start reinforcing outdated practices?

You already know my response to silly posts here. I don't have time for silly discussions.

Isese is the totality of Yoruba culture and traditions. Stop talking ignorantly about a subject you know little about.

Like I said before, start your silly agenda from the Igbo culture. I'm not here to discuss stupid topics.

Posting garbage all about embarrassing yourself in public. So a Yoruba should abolish his culture and embrace the English culture that is without bad aspects.

This is what the fufu you call a brain can produce in the 21st century.

This one is so dull and unintelligent clamoring for Africans to go back to being a colony of the British people again.

Most Africans are cursed with low intelligence.

raumdeuter:


Most of the things functioning in Nigeria and Africa is still from this same West. The best of our parents generation even till mine went to Missionary school funded by the West, Most of our villages and interior na missionary hospital dey save them

Say Polio never finish us for Nigeria na the West, All the Malaria fight na west, Go and See how many Women and children NGO funded by USAID all over Africa.

Flooding in Africa na West we go cry to, Any natural disaster na the same west,

What are we giving in return to this West? Just to collect collect ask for more and still blame them

E get one ad jingle that was popular that year, I don't know if you remember.

"Kick Polio out of Nigeria, make Nigeria Polio free"

That ad was sponsored by the USAID. So they not only provided the vaccines, they went ahead and sponsored that ad for years just to eradicate Polio from Nigeria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Two6W9ZtUhY&t=31s

Above is the CDC still providing another layer of support for Polio that is different from USAID's support oh!

WHERE THE HELL IS RUSSIA AND CHINA IN ALL OF THESE? BUT NA THE WEST!!

Roland17:


Listen to yourself sounding like an entitled brat. They should give you, they should give you!!!!!The West owes you absolutely nothing !
Address the elephant in the room instead of this merry go round about the West.

I disagree with that sentence very strongly.

The statement, "the west owes you nothing" can't be right. That erodes ones sense of justice. The west committed soo many atrocities and exploited our people for soooo long. They killed, kidnapped, maimed our fathers up until just few decades ago. To cause and inflict that much suffering and then leave like that (for those that have left) is simply not right. Which is why you even hear some of their thinkers talk about repatriation after factoring in what our resources, human and material added and made them who they are today. The west would not be what it is today without the African continent so yeah, it's very appalling for an African to boldly declare that the "west owes us nothing". That's a very strong and wrong sentiment and statement.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:





no!
no!!

Well, if they can't treat Africans like they treat the Koreans/Japanese/Germans after the war then they have no business interfering in African affairs. They killed Gaddafi & Libya is now almost a failed State because he refused 2 be a puppet.

now French diplomatic envoy 2 niger republic say dem no dey go anywhere cox dey don't recognize the new government in the country... .no be war dem dey court so! 2 further plung West Africa/Africa into poverty & insecurity.

Yes, I know the West shares some blame. But the bulk of the blame lies with Africans. All those Africans killed by the West or even those captured as slaves, who aided them?

Their fellow Africans. Without the support of some Africans, the West wouldn't have been successful in most of their campaigns.

Look at the m.oron here calling all African cultures and traditions barbaric and savage, saying they should be abolished and replaced with the British culture.

If the colonizers and slave masters came again, this kind of person will gladly sell his fellow Igbo brothers to slavery for pecuniary gains.

He's calling for Africa to willingly submit to the British. This one is even so dull. Our forefathers fought hard to defend the native languages and cultures when the evil white and Arab people invaded Africa.

If not for their bravery and courage, African cultures and traditions would have long died and be forgotten.

But this imbe is telling people to abolish their culture willingly and embrace another people's culture that's not even better.

I told him to start his foolishness from his people at home. But obviously, it's easy to make foolish comments like this on this sort of thread where there are many i.mbes like him.

A001:



Isese is the totality of Yoruba culture and traditions. Stop talking ignorantly about a subject you know little about.

Like I said before, start your silly agenda from the Igbo culture. I'm not here to discuss stupid topics.

Posting garbage all about embarrassing yourself in public. So a Yoruba should abolish his culture and embrace the English culture that is without bad aspects.

This one is so dull and unintelligent clamoring for Africans to go back to being a colony of the British people again .

Most Africans are cursed with low intelligence.

Can you point me to where I said the bolded? What's wrong with your comprehension?

I'm saying that we're supposed to be looking forward not backwards. You keep making the statement that Africans need to GO BACK to their ancient culture, to which I say no, rather we should evolve from them and embrace the modern world. I'm an Igbo man who loves yoruba foods, who wears foreign made clothes, who loves foreign movies, who speaks a foreign language that enables me to communicate effectively with a vast part of the entire globe. Bad who doesn't give a fvck about any religion. That is in a nutshell the modern man. Do you have a problem with any of that? Should this be a problem for anyone?

You really should stop this advocation of regression. Stop telling us to go back, tell us to look forward and find our way in the world.

Roland17:
E get one ad jingle that was popular that year, I don't know if you remember.

"Kick Polio out of Nigeria, make Nigeria Polio free"
That ad was sponsored by the USAID. So they not only provided the vaccines, they went ahead and sponsored that ad for years just to eradicate Polio from Nigeria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Two6WZtUhY&t=31s
Above is the CDC still providing another layer of support for Polio that is different from USAID's support oh!
WHERE THE HELL IS RUSSIA AND CHINA IN ALL OF THESE? BUT NA THE WEST!!

Not just Polio, what of Female Genital mutilation, what of Ebola, What of Guineaworm, and water born diseases, what of Malaria, what of HIV, Money wey dem send on top HIV for Africa alone only God knows. If you know the amount spent on Radio and TV awareness. There was one radio or TV program in every village in Africa sponsored by this same West. Yet all the above disease most don't affect an average person in the West

What are we giving them in return for all these

donjazzet:


Can you point me to where I said the bolded? What's wrong with your comprehension?

I'm saying that we're supposed to be looking forward not backwards. You keep making the statement that Africans need to GO BACK to their ancient culture, to which I say no, rather we should evolve from them and embrace the modern world. I'm an Igbo man who loves yoruba foods, who wears foreign made clothes, who loves foreign movies, who speaks a foreign language that enables me to communicate effectively with a vast part of the entire globe. Bad who doesn't give a fvck about any religion. That is in a nutshell the modern man. Do you have a problem with any of that? Should this be a problem for anyone?

You really should stop this advocation of regression. Stop telling us to go back, tell us to look forward and find our way in the world.

You're too dull for me to be engaging. He's even too unintelligent to know the implications of Africans abolishing their cultures and traditions. Your mumu na follow-come.

Does this m.oron even know what's called colonialization again?

Intelligent people promote good aspects of their culture and condemn the bad aspects, clamoring for their abolishment.

But a dolt will call all aspects of his culture barbaric and savage and clamor foolishly to abolish the culture.

All cultures of the world have their good and bad aspects.

I'd simply bin your mentions.

I don't have time stupid discussions.

A001:

You're too dull for me to be engaging. He's even too unintelligent to know the implications of Africans abolishing their cultures and traditions. Your mumu na follow-come.

Does this m.oron even know what's called colonialization again?

Of course your default mode. Incapable of entertaining a counter point. Everything is somehow triggering for you and must devolve into personal abuse to deflect the fact that you can't make an intelligent counter.

I said we must evolve, not go back and somehow it's an atrocity for you. Grow up.

nihilistjnr:


Asia is generally a more homogeneous continent than Africa.

Bundling up incompatible cultures and calling it one country is the bane of most African countries.

Nigeria is going NOWHERE in its current state, and that's a best case scenario. Its more likely that the country disintegrates sometime in the near future after being pulled every which way by ethnic rivalry.

And I do blame the colonisers for that.

This is one fact that will continue to be true.

The first coup plotters were very explicit about it .

The British in particular did Nigeria a strong thing with this big for nothing geographical entity they bandied together

donjazzet:


Of course your default mode. Incapable of entertaining a counter point. Everything is somehow triggering for you and must devolve into personal abuse to deflect the fact that you can't make an intelligent counter.

I said we must evolve, not go back and somehow it's an atrocity for you. Grow up.

Keep typing trash all about. If you like start speaking Yoruba from tomorrow till next year, you're not a Yoruba person and will never be one in this life time.

If you're too dull to realize that there are diverse cultures around the world and it's unnatural for the whole world to have a single culture, then you're not worth my time.

I'm here to discuss important topics, not dumb ones.

Spy360:

For example, if they want our crude then they should refine it in our country. If they want our uranium, then they should give us their technology to apply nuclear power for electricity. These are the simple terms I mean when I say the relationship should be symbiotic.

lol. Are you a child?

The m.oron no even understand his own argument again. He started with all African cultures are barbaric and savage, and that they should be abolished and replaced with the English culture. Now, he's saying something else.

Have you recognized good aspects of your culture or the Yoruba culture now? If you just realized that at your age, then you need urgent psychiatric help.

I don't know where I'll see that time to be discussing silly topics with you in pages over pages when you don't even know what you're arguing about.