First of all I am a lay man on this so nobody should be mad at my trying to know. I've noticed a recurring sequence of names which are born by Igbos or at least a version of it amongst the Itsekiri ethnic group. Knowing fully well that they speak a language related to Yoruba, how come the Igbo-like names. Example is "Uduaghan" which is the Delta Governors name.

Is uduaghan itsekiri ?

One of my grannies is a 'kiri woman and honestly, I see absolutely no relationship in any form between the two group.

Assuming Uduaghan is 'kiri, what would its meaning in Igbo be @OP ?

I heard that there are two brand of Itsekiri. While one is more intelligible with Yoruba the other is not really. Uduaghan is from the latter.Btw, I don't think Uduaghan sounds Igbo I'm anyway. It also doesn't sound Yoruba in any way.

ifyalways: Is uduaghan itsekiri ?

One of my grannies is a 'kiri woman and honestly, I see absolutely no relationship in any form between the two group.

Assuming Uduaghan is 'kiri, what would its meaning in Igbo be @OP ?

Uduaghan is in no way an Igbo name. What I wrote was Igbo-like or Igbo sounding. The "Yoruba" or "Edo" names are no surprise. Igbos do bare "Uduagha" and pronounce it with an underlying "n" like "Uduaghan". I've seen such names among the Itsekiri as Ani , Eyeoyibo, Oritsejafor, Ayomike, Amajuoritse. If you take a close look at the names you'll observe they are obviously not Igbo but look like one.

Abagworo:

Uduaghan is in no way an Igbo name. What I wrote was Igbo-like or Igbo sounding. The "Yoruba" or "Edo" names are no surprise. Igbos do bare "Uduagha" and pronounce it with an underlying "n" like "Uduaghan". I've seen such names among the Itsekiri as Ani , Eyeoyibo, Oritsejafor, Ayomike, Amajuoritse. If you take a close look at the names you'll observe they are obviously not Igbo but look like one.

Today you call it igbo sounding, little by little you will soon begin to see igbo related, then small small you go change position and begin say east warri na igbo......from there you go claim say na igbo people settled warri...before the year end you go declare say itsekiri was a clan of igbo.

Anyway, e'rbody know by now say Abagworo na land grabber. You are inching your way west . If you open one more post linking sekiri with igbo i go take you worship for the next ogun festival. yeye person

ifyalways: Is uduaghan itsekiri ?

One of my grannies is a 'kiri woman and honestly, I see absolutely no relationship in any form between the two group.

Assuming Uduaghan is 'kiri, what would its meaning in Igbo be @OP ?

Ify, you get tsekiri blood? we are bringing you home my sister. ....but if i see Abagworo touch one leg for sap'le the other one na for ogun shrine hin go end. yeye land grabber yeye person

I wonder why intellectually stimulating discussions can't be maintained without the "usual".

Abagworo, if you're trying to make a comparison between Itsekiri and Igbo, then maybe you should be specific about the particular Deltan Igbo communities/groups that you are trying to compare because, as far as I know, the Igbo in general have no relationship with Itsekiri.

Delta is ∂ place where Ɣ☺Ʊ have various tribes not closely related ßŮϯ lives in harmony for years

Itsekiri is no way related to even τhe Delta Ibos. I think τhe op is high Őᵑ something

odumchi: I wonder why intellectually stimulating discussions can't be maintained without the "usual".

Abagworo, if you're trying to make a comparison between Itsekiri and Igbo, then maybe you should be specific about the particular Deltan Igbo communities/groups that you are trying to compare because, as far as I know, the Igbo in general have no relationship with Itsekiri.

I'm not saying they are related because they are not. I mean the names strangely look alike.

Dudu_Negro:

Ify, you get tsekiri blood? we are bringing you home my sister. ....but if i see Abagworo touch one leg for sap'le the other one na for ogun shrine hin go end. yeye land grabber yeye person

Is Sapele an Itsekiri town? Anyway I don't see anything wrong with being related to anybody in the world. You seem to have a brain disorder to think that if someone seeks your relationship, then he's grabbing your land. They don't add up one bit. If you say Itsekiri migrated from Ife and Benin, does it in any way mean you are grabbing the land of Ife and Benin people?

Abagworo:

Is Sapele an Itsekiri town? Anyway I don't see anything wrong with being related to anybody in the world. You seem to have a brain disorder to think that if someone seeks your relationship, then he's grabbing your land. They don't add up one bit. If you say Itsekiri migrated from Ife and Benin, does it in any way mean you are grabbing the land of Ife and Benin people?

I don't know why you waste your breadth on people like him. The dudu dude and coherence don't go in the same sentence.

Abagworo:

Is Sapele an Itsekiri town? Anyway I don't see anything wrong with being related to anybody in the world. You seem to have a brain disorder to think that if someone seeks your relationship, then he's grabbing your land. They don't add up one bit. If you say Itsekiri migrated from Ife and Benin, does it in any way mean you are grabbing the land of Ife and Benin people?

Where in this world did you even dream up the possibility of such similarity?
This is like Yoruba saying because certain words in Yoruba and Fulani sound similar therefore there is a "relationship between fulani and yoruba". Where and how in the world could fulani and yoruba ever be in any kind of relationship attributed to similar sounding words?

How could tsekiri and ibo be related by way of any similar sounding words? weigh the logic. There might be individuals that intermarry between the two cultures.....but to say the entire culture in its wholesale is related is abominable. yeye land grabber

afam4eva:
I don't know why you waste your breadth on people like him. The dudu dude and coherence don't go in the same sentence.

Id rather not be coherent than to be irresponsibly illogical.

Dudu_Negro:

Where in this world did you even dream up the possibility of such similarity?
This is like Yoruba saying because certain words in Yoruba and Fulani sound similar therefore there is a "relationship between fulani and yoruba". Where and how in the world could fulani and yoruba ever be in any kind of relationship attributed to similar sounding words?

How could tsekiri and ibo be related by way of any similar sounding words? weigh the logic. There might be individuals that intermarry between the two cultures.....but to say the entire culture in its wholesale is related is abominable. yeye land grabber

You must be crazy . I know your type and your aim is to derail the thread and turn it into Igbo-Itsekiri debate. I can only entertain comments by an Itsekiri and not a land grabber like you.

Chief Negro, yes I have very strong itsekiri blood ties.

I think in the late mid 60's or so, there was a booming fish and crayfish market @ the önitsha waterside. The "itsekiri" merchants were mostly women and most of them ended up married to igbo men.

So many of them were married to Önitsha men cos they needed protection and free hand to do their fish biz. Who can resist an itsekiri beauty ? Lol they even have a meeting/association in önitsha ie kiri women married to Igbo men.

@abagworo, ofcourse sapele na 'Kiri town. Sapele, Warri, Jakpa are proper itsekiri cities.

ifyalways: Chief Negro, yes I have very strong itsekiri blood ties.

I think in the late mid 60's or so, there was a booming fish and crayfish market @ the önitsha waterside. The "itsekiri" merchants were mostly women and most of them ended up married to igbo men.

So many of them were married to Önitsha men cos they needed protection and free hand to do their fish biz. Who can resist an itsekiri beauty ? Lol they even have a meeting/association in önitsha ie kiri women married to Igbo men.

@abagworo, ofcourse sapele na 'Kiri town. Sapele, Warri, Jakpa are proper itsekiri cities.

Warri is occupied by Urhobos, Itsekiris and Ijaws. It's not an Itshekiri town.

Occupants same as indigenous?

Which ethnic group was in political control of warri land before, during and after the arrival of British colonisers ?

Why would Awo in the early or late fifties change the title of "olu of warri" to "olu of itshekiri land" ?

Chief Nana of benin river and Excravos(an itshekiri chief) was recognised by the British as the head chief of Warri land and even at his death, another chief, Dore Numa was appointed as his replacement. He too was an Itshe man.

Have urhobo or Ijo ever produced an "olu of warri"
?

ifyalways: Occupants same as indigenous?

Which ethnic group was in political control of warri land before, during and after the arrival of British colonisers ?

Why would Awo in the early or late fifties change the title of "olu of warri" to "olu of itshekiri land" ?

Chief Nana of benin river and Excravos(an itshekiri chief) was recognised by the British as the head chief of Warri land and even at his death, another chief, Dore Numa was appointed as his replacement. He too was an Itshe man.

Have urhobo or Ijo ever produced an "olu of warri"
?

Olu of Warri is just like having Amayanabo of Port-hacourt. This won't mean that the Amayanabo is the head of port-hacourt and that port-hacourt is an Ijaw town. rather it just means that he will be the head of Ijaws in PH. It's no different from having Eze Ndigbo Lagos just that in this case, Igbos are not indegenes of Lagos. The day Olu of Warri claims that he's the traditional ruler nof Warri is the day he will cease to exist. This is what caused the Warri crises in the 50s.

Unfortunately Afam, there's nothing like the Amanyanabo of Port harcourt so the argument failed and died there.

ifyalways: Unfortunately Afam, there's nothing like the Amanyanabo of Port harcourt so the argument failed there.

I was just painting a scenario...

The Olu of Warri(Itsekiri) is just the traditional ruler of the Itsekiri axis nof Warri and not the whole of Warri. Infact, there's no such Kingdom as Warri, so it can't have a ruler. What you have are communities inside Warri that have their own rulers. Calling the Olu, Olu os Warri is akin to the Eze of Woji calling himself the Eze of port-hacourt.

Nope, what caused the Warri crises in the 50's was Awo changing the title from olu of Warri to olu of Itshekiri land.
The ijaws and Urhobos couldn't deal with that.

ifyalways: Nope, what caused the Warri crises in the 50's was Awo changing the title from olu of Warri to olu of Itshekiri land.
The ijaws and Urhobos couldn't deal with that.

You got it all wrong. It's the other way around.

afam4eva:
I was just painting a scenario...

The Olu of Warri(Itsekiri) is just the traditional ruler of the Itsekiri axis nof Warri and not the whole of Warri. Infact, there's no such Kingdom as Warri, so it can't have a ruler. What you have are communities inside Warri that have their own rulers. Calling the Olu, Olu os Warri is akin to the Eze of Woji calling himself the Eze of port-hacourt.

until someone changes the title or seat to "olu of warri, itshekiri axis", the man continues to be recognised as the spiritual head of warri land and itshekiri kingdom.

Btw, we have greatly derailed this thread. Lol

ifyalways: until someone changes the title or seat to "olu of warri, itshekiri axis", the man continues to be recognised as the spiritual head of warri land and itshekiri kingdom.

Btw, we have greatly derailed this thread. Lol

Olu of Warri is merely a title and his all of Warri does not fall under his jurisdiction. The day he professes that he's the head of Warri is the day Warri will boil again. So, for the sake of himself, his family and Itsekiri people, he should respect himself. Urhobos and Ijaws are no fools.

ifyalways: Occupants same as indigenous?

Which ethnic group was in political control of warri land before, during and after the arrival of British colonisers ?

Why would Awo in the early or late fifties change the title of "olu of warri" to "olu of itshekiri land" ?

Chief Nana of benin river and Excravos(an itshekiri chief) was recognised by the British as the head chief of Warri land and even at his death, another chief, Dore Numa was appointed as his replacement. He too was an Itshe man.

Have urhobo or Ijo ever produced an "olu of warri"
?

God bless you my sister. Abagworo has zero knolwedge or appreciation for other people culture....all he is interested in is what is similar or dis-similar in cultural values. I call that divide and acquire....but yet he call me a distractor. My tsekiri sister God bless you.

Odumchi, do me a favor.....next time Abagworo address me wihout first puttig "Chief" infront my name slap a 20day ban on him.

Abagworo, you need to learn resoect for people culture. yeye land grabber.

Dudu_Negro:

God bless you my sister. Abagworo has zero knolwedge or appreciation for other people culture....all he is interested in is what is similar or dis-similar in cultural values. I call that divide and acquire....but yet he call me a distractor. My tsekiri sister God bless you.

Odumchi, do me a favor.....next time Abagworo address me wihout first puttig "Chief" infront my name slap a 20day ban on him.

Abagworo, you need to learn resoect for people culture. yeye land grabber.

Stop claiming what you are not. I know Itsekiri as cultured people and not touts like you've displayed on this board.

Abagworo:

Uduaghan is in no way an Igbo name. What I wrote was Igbo-like or Igbo sounding. The "Yoruba" or "Edo" names are no surprise. Igbos do bare "Uduagha" and pronounce it with an underlying "n" like "Uduaghan". I've seen such names among the Itsekiri as Ani , Eyeoyibo, Oritsejafor, Ayomike, Amajuoritse. If you take a close look at the names you'll observe they are obviously not Igbo but look like one.

How many Igbo have you come across or read about with the name "Uduagha" and are they from Delta state by any chance, or are they from further east?

Also, what Igbo names are similar to the ones in bold? Just curious.

PhysicsQED:

How many Igbo have you come across or read about with the name "Uduagha" and are they from Delta state by any chance, or are they from further east?

Also, what Igbo names are similar to the ones in bold? Just curious.

Abagworo is looking at spelling rather than the pronunciation of these names.

Ani is an Igbo name too. never knew it was an Itsekiri name.

Oyibo is also an Igbo name

Oritsejafor sounds like Afor or Ejiofor

......

afam4eva:
Abagworo is looking at spelling rather than the pronunciation of these names.

Ani is an Igbo name too. never knew it was an Itsekiri name.

Oyibo is also an Igbo name

Oritsejafor sounds like Afor or Ejiofor

......

I see. Thanks.

Abagworo:

Is Sapele an Itsekiri town? Anyway I don't see anything wrong with being related to anybody in the world. You seem to have a brain disorder to think that if someone seeks your relationship, then he's grabbing your land. They don't add up one bit. If you say Itsekiri migrated from Ife and Benin, does it in any way mean you are grabbing the land of Ife and Benin people?

is Sapele now Igbo town? you may be related to me.

afam4eva:
Olu of Warri is just like having Amayanabo of Port-hacourt. This won't mean that the Amayanabo is the head of port-hacourt and that port-hacourt is an Ijaw town. rather it just means that he will be the head of Ijaws in PH. It's no different from having Eze Ndigbo Lagos just that in this case, Igbos are not indegenes of Lagos. The day Olu of Warri claims that he's the traditional ruler nof Warri is the day he will cease to exist. This is what caused the Warri crises in the 50s.

However grudging respect your opinion, don't lose today. my mother's mama na from warri, married to an Ijebu man, warri had ever been indigenous itshe town, others migrated there because of trading opportunities, Ijaws to sell fish which itshekiri people take inside yorubaland. Go and enlighten yourself more on history of warri before you post another thread on this issue.

afam4eva:
Abagworo is looking at spelling rather than the pronunciation of these names.

Ani is an Igbo name too. never knew it was an Itsekiri name.

Oyibo is also an Igbo name

Oritsejafor sounds like Afor or Ejiofor

......

Tell Abagworo to seek his spelling similarity Eastward amongst the cultures of the Congos...he will readily find plenty leads for kinship over there.