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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:14pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Maynman: So you can't list them! I'm a Trinitarian but I still hold that verse, reason why I created this thread and put it straight. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:16pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Maynman: So you didn't read this thread from page one and you jump in. Read the thread from page 1. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 5:21pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Emusan: You are a nobody that opened a thread saying your delusions, post the papyrus that it was used in, post your sources or they only exist in your head. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 5:21pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Emusan:I will listen to Fact, you can hold whatever books with unknown authors you want, it doesn't change fact. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:27pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Maynman: Who stopped you? you can hold whatever books with unknown authors you want, it doesn't change fact. You know this and you're still jumping up and down here. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:30pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Maynman: And you have time to be disturbing yourself with A NOBODY. For asking me for sources shows you never read the thread from beginning and you're just ranting for nothing. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 5:31pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Emusan:How is it affecting you? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 5:33pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Emusan:I can comment on any thread I want. You wrote jargons, deluding yourself, post the manuscript or papyrus It was found. How hard is that or it's all in your head |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:46pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Maynman: I didn't see where I said you can't. Or did I tell you that? You wrote jargons, deluding yourself, post the manuscript or papyrus It was found. How hard is that or it's all in your head And you're responding to the same jargons |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:47pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Maynman: You should ask yourself that question |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 5:53pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Emusan:Busted. π |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by MightySparrow: 4:50am On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:Good job brother. How come I am just seeing this thread now. I have had arguments with this people severally. They become dishonest whenever they are busted. I am awed by this research. Thanks so much. 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 8:44am On Sep 26, 2023 |
MightySparrow:You have to argue with modern new Bible Versions too, present them your fact and research. https://www.biblestudytools.com/1-john/5-7-compare.html |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by MightySparrow: 9:43am On Sep 26, 2023 |
Maynman: Athanasius, Origen and co. invited by Emperor Constantine had been discussing the idea of Trinity for years before 325 A.D. What were there references? The claim that IJohn 5:7; Matthew 24:19 were later added in 16th century. What then be promoted the idea? If you want to discover a lie, don't use another lie as your tool. The funny thing is that the doctrine was a gradual development. It wasn't ratified as it is now in 325A.D. The apostles themselves initially didn't even know what to teach. They had to convene a meeting where initially five things were agreed upon. It was Paul's revelations that opened up many things. Paul himself,. claimed he didn't fully know Jesus. Is it one drunkard' GB that will know him? 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 9:59am On Sep 26, 2023 |
MightySparrow:The Trinity concept became official d in 325AD, not only that, anyone that didn't accept the doctrine was called an heresy and ex communicated look up the Cathars, the people that accepted th doctrine were called Catholic, Constantine and the edict of milan didn't make ch[hristianity a state Religion, they made Catholic a state Religion, that is only those that followed the trinity concept.
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by MightySparrow: 10:01am On Sep 26, 2023 |
Maynman: What is the meaning of Catholic? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 10:10am On Sep 26, 2023 |
MightySparrow:
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 11:11am On Sep 26, 2023 |
MightySparrow: To God be the glory sir! Actually, it was a well detailed article by KJV proponents which you can find HERE |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 11:50am On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:Did you read your own link, they agreed it was forged lol. "Most Greek manuscriptws containing 1 John 5:6-8 would be considered βlateβ by modern standards. Of the about 480 manuscripts of 1 John 5, only 12 of these manuscripts are from before the 10th century (Nestle-Aland: Novum" Didn't you see they asterisk the "late" π Also you need to be careful of king james VERSION. Look up how the first edition came out, who Is the king james of england, and hope you know that the first edition of kjv is present in all Masonic Lodges |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by MightySparrow: 11:53am On Sep 26, 2023 |
[quote author=Maynman post=126027305][/quote] When and how do we have Roman Catholic? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 12:20pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Maynman: But does that mean people don't teach about Trinity before 325AD? not only that, anyone that didn't accept the doctrine was called an heresy and ex communicated look up the Cathars, the people that accepted th doctrine were called Catholic, Constantine and the edict of milan didn't make ch[hristianity a state Religion, they made Catholic a state Religion, that is only those that followed the trinity concept. The question is, was Trinity a talk among people before these happened? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 12:20pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
MightySparrow:Your new testament is from when and how?
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 12:24pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Maynman: They agreed it was forged ! So that was the only thing you read from that long article? "Most Greek manuscriptws containing 1 John 5:6-8 would be considered βlateβ by modern standards. Of the about 480 manuscripts of 1 John 5, only 12 of these manuscripts are from before the 10th century (Nestle-Aland: Novum" Olodo.... That was what Modern translations consider for not ADDING IT TO THEIR TRANSLATION. The writer is making a point from there. Haba... English isn't difficult nah Also you need to be careful of king james VERSION. Look up how the first edition came out, who Is the king james of england, and hope you know that the first edition of kjv is present in all Masonic Lodges KJV is just A TRANSLATION not another Bible written by another person (people). |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 12:27pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:There were hundreds of sects before Trinity was made official in 325AD, it was not as common as Arianism that's why the council had to be held to clip off Arianism. The Trinity concept originated in Rome. Some of the sects that was later declared heresy after the 325 was Ebionites, cathars, etc.
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 12:30pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:What else did you read in the article? Translation is different from Version, illiterate. There were English translations before KJV. KJV was meant for church of England lol. No, it said they are "late" according to modern scholars and they said the oldest was just below 10th century. It made mention of other late manuscript, without the asterisk, for you to know this are LATE, and the johanniene comma is not present there. They also showed you a picture showing a umluat, it is English yet you can't understand it. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 12:33pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Maynman: It's not about number of sect. My question was, is Trinity a talk among people before 325AD? it was not as common as Arianism that's why the council had to be held to clip off Arianism. Lies! The Trinity concept originated in Rome. Even Priscillian of Avila 380AD quoted 1 John 5:7 and still called a sect. So stop saying rubbish |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 12:38pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:It was about sects, the Nicene Creed who and who were arguing? Send me a link of avila quoting it. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 12:40pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Maynman: So you just read the first paragraph and rush to comment rubbish. The link is there, go back and read from beginning to the end. Translation is different from Version, illiterate. And the same modern translations without Johannien Comma are called version. Illiterate. No, it said they are "late" according to modern scholars and they said the oldest was just below 10th century. That was the point the writer is making. Olodo. The manuscripts 1 John 5:7 was found we're considered LATE. English is hard for you. It made mention of other late manuscript, without the asterisk, for you to know this are LATE, and the johanniene comma is not present there. Do you understand the point the writer is making? They also showed you a picture showing a umluat, it is English yet you can't understand it. The is the reason you know, you're real olodo. The Umluat said to occurred in one of the oldest Greek manuscripts called Codex Vaticanus. And you are jumping on what you don't even understand. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 12:42pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Maynman: Arguing Ke... Send me a link of avila quoting it. Read the link above to the end before you jump in. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 12:46pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:The "late" is just below 10th century, they said it, it's missing in Greek manuscript. What does umlaunt mean, why was it put there? Codex vaticanus is 4th century ππ |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 12:47pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:Lol, go and read on the nicene council. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 12:49pm On Sep 26, 2023 |
Emusan:They were sects before 380AD, Ebionites were one, hemerobaptis too. |
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