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Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Templee333(m): 11:28am On Dec 02, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:just a reminder: "and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die" - john 11:26. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:42pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Templee333: According to Jesus those believing in him are in comma whenever they stop breathing because he knows them so during resurrection he will just call them by name the same way he called Lazarus but in this case some are saying nobody dies for real whether believer or not. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by bobestman(m): 1:33pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Yea he might not know. He may know but refuse to tell them cos many true men of God usually put things in codes. In our world today their are ppl operating in the spirit of Elisha, Isaiah etc that don't know yet. To me he knew cos he said he was a voice crying out in the wilderness - it was code for a great prophet who came |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by bobestman(m): 1:38pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:It is not about proving. Will you understand with your zapped JW mind? No be to argue with JW handout you sabi? And anything against it is a lie to you |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Kobojunkie: 1:46pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:I only mention that the One instance connected to one particular being who happened to be of the Old Law. 2. This isn't about the books and times but rather the contracts --- the details, terms and conditions, etc., -- as well as Kingdoms to which they apply being different. For example, the Old Law's terms applies only to those of Israel who are of the Nation of Israel which is of this world whereas Jesus Christ applies to those removed from this world and are of the Kingdom of God. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by bobestman(m): 2:05pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Lol you ppl self. You ppl just want to argue. Immortality is deathlessness. There are many who never taste death. When you please God he might decide to take you away one day. This happened to Elijah and Enoch. The 24 elders were ones great kings on earth before they ascended and were rewarded. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:33pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
bobestman: Sorry the true God doesn't hide such information from His friends! |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:39pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
bobestman: Present the worshipers of your own God, to the world i presents the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses! That's the undeniable evidence of the Bible God. Without such an organized group these is no single evidence of God! Isaiah 43:10-12 |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:45pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
bobestman: Guy all Adam's descendants died. Do you now believe in Jesus of Nazareth? Because it's only him that mentioned 24 elders o! |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 4:04pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Well all time is bound by obviously stated and unstated contracts or law. Your point is noted. Kobojunkie: |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 4:07pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
TenQ: Is Elijah of the two spoken in Revelations? |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:24pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
bobestman: Continue saying wetin no de Bible 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 4:47pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Thank you SirTee15. Outside Jesus pointing towards this it was not obvious as in the case of Elisha. 2 Kings 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him. In anycase how do we understand that a kindred spirit of Elijah and not Elijah himself was expected? Also in Revelations 11:3-12, Elijah is said to be one of the two. How is this so? |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by TenQ: 5:02pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:There is no scripture to assert or prove that one of the two men spoken of in Rev 11:1-14. They were simply referred to as Witnessess. Whatever anyone says about the two men other than this are speculations as the Bible gives no names. Note: Not withstanding, as Christians, we believe in miracles from God as a suspension of the norm in specific instances such that God reserves the right to resurrect anyone or even cause a person to be reincarnated. However, this would be a miracle of God and stands unchallenged by us as Christians. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by FRANCISTOWN: 5:19pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:So a prophet of Yhwh like John who knew the word of Yhwh didn't know Jesus and was asking the same Jesus if they should expect the real messiah. Dey play |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:31pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN:He knew {John 1:29-37} but asked a sarcastic question it simply means "start your righteous rule so I can leave this place" but even Jesus don't know when he will be given the order to start ruling {Matthew 24:36} that's why he told his friends that they should leave that in God's hands! Act 1:6-7 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Kobojunkie: 5:36pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:Huh? |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Kobojunkie: 5:36pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:No! |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 5:39pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: When you feel tired and have a rest you often feel refreshed isn't it? How is this established? |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Kobojunkie: 5:41pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:Actually, John was Elijah returned. 9 As Jesus and the followers were coming down the mountain, he gave them this command: “Don’t tell anyone about what you saw on the mountain. Wait until the Son of Man has been raised from death. Then you can tell people about what you saw.”Unless of course, you would rather believe that Jesus Christ lied about it! Elijah was probably originally meant to die at the hands of King Ahab and Jezebel. But God took him out of that timeline and brought Him back as John, where he eventually did die at the hands of King Herod and his wife. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Kobojunkie: 5:42pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:There are those for which that rule barely holds. They wake up exhausted, sometimes even more than they did before they went in to rest. How is what established? |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 5:43pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
TenQ: Are these parts of scripture meaningless then? This description of the two witnesses bears a striking resemblance to the miracles performed by Elijah in the Old Testament. In 1 Kings 17, Elijah proclaimed that there would be no rain in the land, and in 1 Kings 18, he called down fire from heaven to consume a sacrifice. The appearance of Elijah alongside Moses at the transfiguration of Jesus is another indicator of Elijah's significance in the end times. In Matthew 17:3-4, it says, "Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, 'Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.'" Elijah did not experience physical death but was taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot (2 Kings 2:11) supports the notion that he is destined to return as one of the two witnesses in Revelation. The idea that Elijah did not die but was taken directly to heaven leaves the possibility open for him to return in the future as one of the witnesses. Although his apparent return as new born John the Baptist or a John the Baptist of kindred spirit adds on some uncertainty. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 5:48pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Do you often recover strength after a rest or subdue a feeling of hunger after eating a meal? Do you have an inclination to go to sleep at some point? Those who wake up feeling exhausted may seek and find reasons why this is. Could be blood sugar anomalies, kidney problems or some ailment. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 5:49pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Interesting |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by bobestman(m): 6:11pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:Watin i talk wey no dey bible? Elijah, Enoch, 24 elders? Ok oo |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Kobojunkie: 6:16pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:1. That is what is the expected norm, not that it is what happens all of the time. 2. Sometimes but not all the time. I didn't get the inclination last night. I had to force myself to power down because it was already about 2 am. 3. That or other known issues. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by TenQ: 6:31pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:Did the book of Revelation give the identity of the two witnesses OR you are making a speculation that these could be Moses and Elijah? |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by Explore2xmore: 7:11pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
TenQ: I am seeking clarity about this as there are divergent views. Can you or can't you not explain convincingly? |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by FxMasterz: 8:11pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN: All this lengthy talk can be rendered heretic by one simple scripture -The two appearances Jesus had on the Mount of Transfiguration. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. The same Elijah that appeared to Jesus cannot be the same John the Baptist. Truly, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. That does not mean flesh and blood cannot appear there. Moses like Elijah probably never died too. His grave was never found. There's high tendency that their reappearance at the end of time as prophesied in the book of Revelation was to accomplish the shedding off of the flesh so that they, in their spirit bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God. Malachi 4:5 refers to the reappearance of Elijah before the coming of the dreadful day of the Lord. The dreadful day of the Lord is still future. It is a day of judgement. The first coming of Christ was not dreadful. It was for the salvation of souls. You can bear me witness that there was nothing dreadful about it. In the book of revelation, just immediately after Moses and Elijah (The two witnesses) were taken up after their ressurection, the dreadful judgement of the Lord began upon the earth. That's the day Malachi was talking about. John himself testified that "He was the voice of one crying in the wilderness" - John 1:23. Re-echoing an earlier prophecy of Isaiah about him. "This is Elijah that was to come..." Is a prophetic language. It should not be taken literally. The literal meaning of those words was given at John's birth in Luke 1:17. Being in the spirit of Elijah is not the same as being Elijah. The anointing or mantle of Elijah was upon him to deliver his fiery message of repentance to Israel. This is a similar event as the one recorded of Elisha after the mantle of Elijah fell on him on the other side of Jordan. The sons of the prophet looking at Elisha from afar off reported: "The spirit of Elijah doth rest upon Elisha". Elisha did not become Elijah at that point but he operated in the spirit of Elijah. John was not a reincarnation of Elijah. He was a distinct spirit with the zeal, fervour and anointing of Elijah. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MightySparrow: 8:27pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
FxMasterz: I am learning. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MightySparrow: 8:28pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
Templee333: I am learning. |
Re: Can A Clarification Be Made On The Position Of Christianity On Reincarnation? by MightySparrow: 8:30pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
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